On Jul 31, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Steven Peterson wrote: > Hi all, > > Just back from the beach and catching up... > > > On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 9:58 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Marsha asked four questions: >> >> Have you dropped the words 'free-will' and 'determinism'? If you think >> within the MoQ that free-will and determinism have new definitions, please >> offer them... If you are using new words please define them clearly? Please >> clearly explain the reformulation as you understand them? If you are not >> using 'free-will' and 'determinism' as defined in the dictionary, than you >> must agree that I was correct to neither accept 'free-will' and >> 'determinism', nor reject 'free-will' and 'determinism'. They are >> irrelevant within the MoQ. Of course, you are about to explain the new >> words to use and new understanding. >> >> >> dmb says: >> No, I haven't dropped the terms. The MOQ framework but does not alter their >> basic definition. ("free will. noun. the power of acting without the >> constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own >> discretion.") ("determine |diˈtərmin|verb [ trans. ]1 cause (something) to >> occur in a particular way; be the decisive factor in") These terms are not >> new and there are many ordinary words that can serve as alternatives, such >> as freedom and constraint. The MOQ puts these terms in a new metaphysical >> context wherein the laws of causality are replaced by patterns of preference >> and the choice between freedom and constraint are no longer mutually >> exclusive positions. > > > Steve: > Where I disagree with dmb is in that I think the MOQ reformulation of > the question of freedom DOES significantly alter the basic definitions > of free will and determinism. The MOQ rejects both horns of the > traditional dilemma and reformulates the problem in a way that is > incompatible with the traditional formulation rather than being some > middle ground or saying that both sides are partially right.
Hi Steve, Maybe he's a clever brujo. Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
