David
It appears you don't read what others write.
There are no patterns in DQ.
All patterns are SQ.
SQ is fourfold - Inorganic, Biological, Social, Intellectual.
Concepts, precepts, tastes, senses are SQ.
All THINGS are SQ.
SQ is post-Experience (post-DQ).
DMB is saying the same as Andre and myself - why are you unable to see this.
Horse
On 10/11/2013 11:57, David Morey wrote:
Hi Andre
Glad to hear it. There is much more agreement here than my interpreters seem to
want to admit, I am against dualism and essentialism as much as anyone here,
and it would be a lot more useful if people argued with what I am saying rather
than with a heap of stuff I am not saying or have ever said. All I am saying is
that before we conceptualise experience it is full of content, senses,
tastes, etc. Now what do we call all this pattern, DMB says all SQ is
conceptual, so is all sensual pattern DQ? Is DQ pre-definition but nonetheless
full of pattern? Or is there a load of pre-conceptual SQ before we get to
conceptual SQ that DMB is refusing to appreciate and recognise? I agree that
there is something intelligent going on with cells, etc prior to full blown
consciousness.
David M
Andre <[email protected]> wrote:
David M to Andre:
So until there is culture and language there is no experience?
Andre:
No, that's not what I'm saying. There is experience first after which we
try and find ways of describing this value. It is after the experience
we generate notions of 'banana taste', green or red colours, happy or
sad emotions and the like.
There are, I'm sure, many things going on in my own body (organic stuff)
that I have no knowledge of. I do not need to think of breathing for it
to take place. The organic patterns themselves have learned that to the
extent that it's considered 'automatic'. It has an 'intelligence' of its
own.
There are many things going on at all levels about which I have no
knowledge but my point is that this is NOT due to any inherent
'property' of Dynamic Quality, that's all I'm trying to say David.
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