GENESIS
by Theodore Roethke
This elemental force
Was wrested from the sun;
A river's leaping source
Is locked in narrow bone.
This wisdom floods the mind,
Invades quiescent blood;
A seed that swells the rind
To burst the fruit of good.
A pearl within the brain,
Secretion of the sense;
Around a central grain
A meaning grows immense.
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Hi low Joe,
Poetry embraces DQ/sq.
Marsha
> On Nov 26, 2013, at 2:45 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hi MarshaV and All,
>
> We are trying to delineate the scope of metaphysics DQ/SQ. "Poetry can
> exceed logic" puts us outside of the logical consideration of DQ/SQ reality.
> It becomes a false statement as poetry does not exceed logic DQ/SQ in being
> meaningful. Logic embraces DQ/SQ.
>
> IMHO Joe.
>
>
>> On 11/25/13 1:12 PM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Greetings Joe,
>>
>> A word's meaning is analogy built of analogy built of analogy, etc., etc.,
>> etc., ... Poetry can exceed logic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Triphammer Bridge
>>
>> by A.R. Ammons
>>
>> I wonder what to mean by sanctuary, if a real or
>> apprehended place, as of a bell rung in a gold
>> surround, or as of silver roads along the beaches
>>
>> of clouds seas don't break or black mountains
>> overspill; jail: ice here's shapelier than anything,
>> on the eaves massive, jawed along gorge ledges, solid
>>
>> in the plastic blue boat fall left water in: if I
>> think the bitterest thing I can think of that seems like
>> reality, slickened back, hard, shocked by rip-high wind:
>>
>> sanctuary, sanctuary, I say it over and over and the
>> word's sound is the one place to dwell: that's it, just
>> the sound, and the imagination of the sound -- a place.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 25, 2013, at 3:52 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi MarshaV and All:
>>>
>>> Logos/Logic! The word (logos) embodies logic. Meaning is embedded in the
>>> word (logos). Without logic a word has no meaning DQ/SQ. A word DQ
>>> embodies indefinable logic.
>>>
>>> Imho Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 11/25/13 2:09 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> His Quality was a metaphysical entity, not a mystic one. Or was it? What
>>>> was
>>>> the difference? He answered himself that the difference was one of
>>>> definition.
>>>> Metaphysical entities are defined. Mystical Ones are not. That made Quality
>>>> mystical. No. It was really both. Although he'd thought of it purely in
>>>> philosophical terms up to now as metaphysical, he had all along refused to
>>>> define it. That made it mystic too. Its indefinability freed it from the
>>>> rules
>>>> of metaphysics."
>>>
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