Hi Andre Glad to hear it. There is much more agreement here than my interpreters seem to want to admit, I am against dualism and essentialism as much as anyone here, and it would be a lot more useful if people argued with what I am saying rather than with a heap of stuff I am not saying or have ever said. All I am saying is that before we conceptualise experience it is full of content, senses, tastes, etc. Now what do we call all this pattern, DMB says all SQ is conceptual, so is all sensual pattern DQ? Is DQ pre-definition but nonetheless full of pattern? Or is there a load of pre-conceptual SQ before we get to conceptual SQ that DMB is refusing to appreciate and recognise? I agree that there is something intelligent going on with cells, etc prior to full blown consciousness.
David M Andre <[email protected]> wrote: >David M to Andre: >So until there is culture and language there is no experience? > >Andre: >No, that's not what I'm saying. There is experience first after which we >try and find ways of describing this value. It is after the experience >we generate notions of 'banana taste', green or red colours, happy or >sad emotions and the like. > >There are, I'm sure, many things going on in my own body (organic stuff) >that I have no knowledge of. I do not need to think of breathing for it >to take place. The organic patterns themselves have learned that to the >extent that it's considered 'automatic'. It has an 'intelligence' of its >own. > >There are many things going on at all levels about which I have no >knowledge but my point is that this is NOT due to any inherent >'property' of Dynamic Quality, that's all I'm trying to say David. >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
