DM to Andre:
I recognise tastes, colours, etc prior to concepts,...
Andre:
No you don't! You must have learned the recognition and the distinction.
You have learned what is what. Re-read Pirsig's These are transmitted
culturally. Any taste, colour, smell (not part of your own culture) you
come across in another culture you will not recognize... you may search
for associations with possible recognitions but they will remain unknown
to you...until someone tells you, teaches you. And when you come across
the same a next time you may recognize it.
In other words DQ has no percepts. Percepts are what you bring to
whatever you are experiencing. Hold on tight to your percepts and you
will get repetitions of experiences.
DM:
if there are only concepts why ever mention qualities? Your position is
just nonsense.
Andre:
Qualities are the 'base line'. And they are concepts too. Pirsig's MoQ
is a static intellectual pattern of values.
Remember, it's analogies all the way down. By naming it 'Quality' he had
already crossed a line (as he admits). But you seem to be treating DQ as
though it is some kind of unspecified string of DNA.
That, in my book is nonsense.
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