<Joe> I do not see that you have moved the dialogue along. Esoteric writing speaks of a mechanical or conscious perception of reality. Is there a possibility of mechanical evolution and conscious evolution?
IMO Pirsig?s objection to ?objectivity? is that value is ignored. Value is the object of conscious evolution, subjectivity. Another approach is to see a distinction between a ?manifestation?-objective and ?order?-subjective. Ham has based his ontology only on ?manifestation?. He denies ?order?. In his ontology morality is man made. To deny that subjective perception is a form of reality is to deny a step in evolution which I label ?proprietary awareness?. Conscious evolution, subjectivity, is as necessary a process for study for cultural development as mechanical evolution, objectivity. [Ron] Hello Joe, Sorry if I came off esoterically, but I had a question of just what is meant by the term betterness. When I thought of this for awhile, I came to the conclusion that all we can ever really do is speculate about the origin of reality simply because of our limited perception of it.I began to really look At what terming something moral or better is. Later, after this post, I found that pirsig defines Betterness or good as "Good is conformity to an established pattern of fixed values and value objects." Lila 119. this cleared up a lot for me, however I get the feeling that some here have the idea That Pirsig terms moral in the conventional sense and use it to further the concept of conventional Ideas of right and wrong and of morality, which had me alittle uncomfortable. My thrust was of demonstrating that this way of interpreting moral was entirely subjective and that Good is relative. Maybe I was the one guilty of assuming meaning and misinterpreting intent. I wanted to throw Those ideas out there and see if that was the case. Thanks Joe moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
