Henri Sivonen wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Ben Bucksch) wrote:
>
> > > If you make the software open to only developers all you've done is to
> > > put a nice canvas covered extension on the side of the Cathedral and
> > > called it the Bazaar.
> >
> > It's a Bazaar for developers, people in general.
>
> Was that what you intended to write? Your previous posts make me think
> there's a negation missing after the comma.
>
> > Sure, contact to users is important, but IMO, we have too much of it
> > currently. See all the ranting in bug reports and what it causes for
> > developers (e.g. timeless, who is *endlessly* annoyed about people
> > complaining about bugs).
>
> Implementing a bozo filter is problematic. If you decide to filter out
> all users, you also filter out the clueful ones.
>
> > Whether it's the right decision to produce Milestone *binary* builds or
> > not is not clear. Testers and developers have use for Milestones only
> > for a limited time of e.g. a week. After that time, they are only used
> > by users, leading hardly to any good bug reports, only feature
> > suggestions and priorization of bugs, but then again, there are other
> > means to get that, e.g. through distributors.
>
> The problems related to users reporting bugs in old builds can be
> alleviates by:
> * not making good nightlies appear scarier than milestones
> * striking "milestone or" at the beginning of
> http://www.mozilla.org/bugs/
> * Hiding the "advanced" bug reporting form the Bugzilla front page and
> directing users to Bugzilla Helper
> * sniffing the Gecko date token in the UA string of the build used to
> access Bugzilla Helper and notifying the user if the build is
> considered old
> * requiring a build id in Bugzilla Helper bug reports and checking the id
> for recentness
>
> > The first goal could be achieved by reworking the homepage to an
> > introduction to Mozilla and mozilla.org, leading (in part) into a
> > redirection to distributors for users. www.mozilla.org, as is,
> > encourages to use Milestones.
>
> Currently, www.mozilla.org indeed encourages the use of milestones and
> makes nightly build appear scary. Rather than asking potential users
> (who might also be potential contributors!) take a hike, the importance
> of milestones could be downplayed and links could be made to good
> nightlies.
>
> --
> Henri Sivonen
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.clinet.fi/~henris/
I have always used the nightlies except for the ver first Mozilla I ever
downloaded. (which was M14 or 15).
I download a nighly about once a week or ocassionally, once every two weeks.
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