Hi Dirk
On 14-Dec-99, you wrote:
> Hello Neil
>
> On 14-dec-99, you wrote:
>
>> Dirk Harlaar said,
>>
>
>> Of course not. But the programmers of thing like X-Arc no longer get
>> royalties for it from NC3, so it can't go on the NC3 CD. You bought the
>> right to use it when you bought NC2, upgrading doesn't affect that in
>> any way.
>
> That's what I thought. But then, how does this upgrading not affect my
> right to use the software, if I have to return it? Seems like a
> contradiction to me.
Simply, it is a contradiction and it DOES affect your right to use the
software.
As an "owner" of CGFX 4.0CD I now use 4.2 that's a free "update". I
physically "own" MUI 3.6, however I now use MUI 3.8. Same with V�p5,
AMTelnet, Contact Manager, WebVision, MetalWeb, MD --they've all been
UPDATED since the CD's release. NetConnect3 is a different product with
different features/programs from NC2. It is not an UPDATE. It is an
UPGRADE
and we were lucky to get a discount for this NEW product. It seems as
though
people are calling it an UPGRADE, but treating it as though it is an UPDATE.
If I should feel so inclined to run Voyager 2.96 then that is my right. We
were
offered an "upgrade path" discount--not sent simply a new keyfile. I
currently
use the NC2 Dock Bar because of stability/features over Octopus. I also use
AmFTP because of stability. As for the programs on the CD that haven't
already
been updated I use: hmm. . . Let's see. . . Genesis. (Don't really
use/need
AMIRC, NetInfo, mFTP, AmChat). If you forfeit the CD to this new company
then
you lose the legal right (maybe not moral right) to use the software that
was on it.
How do you still have the right to use something that you no longer own?
What they
should have done was just got rid of the "upgrade" offer. Sorry Charlie.
You ordered
too late. That was an early bird special for the LOYAL NC customers. The
thought
of me packing up an old CD and sending it across the pond is so obsurd.
"Hey,
Where's the cover?", "Why is this CD gouged?", "It looks like a dog has been
chewing on it.", etc. These new owners need to be realistic.
>
>> No, they use the software they paid for. What's wrong is reselling it
>> when they haven't bought a full NC3. Remember, people upgrading from NC2
>> to NC3 aren't paying the full price, they are paying for an upgrade
>> only. The upgraded software includes the original package, which means
>> two things:
>>
>> They can still use software for the NC2 package
>> They cannot sell their copy of NC2 unless they stop using NC3 too
>
> Sounds fair enough for me. So to clarify things up, if users are asked to
> return their NC2 when ordering an upgrade, they would be allowed to keep
> those parts of NC2 that are not on NC3 on their harddisk and use it until
> death they do part? Remember, I'm not asking for myself here, I got my NC3
> alright and still have my NC2 somewhere in the mess I call a study, but I
> think it can be confusing to users.
>
> Dirk
Disagree. I bought NC3 from Active at a discount as a prior/loyal NC2 user.
My CD
says NetConnect 3 on it not "NC2.5 upgrade". I have never had any trouble
with
Chris and judging from his post to c.s.a.m. today, I think he's done with
the lot of us.
I never once complained here or elsewhere about mistakes that were made and
were
mostly beyond Chris' control. Why? Cause it didn't matter to me. I had
NC2 installed
and could easily download updated versions. As an example, if my hard drive
quits
tonite (assuming my backup partition fails also) am I gonna slap in my NC3
CD first?
No. I'll put in NC2, load a stable version of Voyager and start downloading
the updates.
As for selling off cheap NC2 CD's on eBay or wherever I have mixed feelings.
If your not
using any of the apps-FINE. For one thing, I've registered my same
existing copy more
than once. Why? I repartitioned a hard drive and didn't back up the Key
that is generated.
If your not using the apps then sell it and let someone else get use out of
it, see how good it
is and say "Damn this is good. I think I'm gonna order NC3 cause I want the
latest versions".
I mean, I bought IBrowse over the net and all I got was a 100k Keyfile. No
Manual. No Media.
Nothing. Frankly, that's about all I really needed from NC2 -> NC3 was a
keyfile. Having
the media allows me to use older versions (sometimes not beta software) and
programs that
I paid for and are no longer part of the suite. I think we all know that
the only thing good
about the NC3 CD is the keyfile.
IKE
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