Okay, That is seriously ridiculous, Netsukuku is a network that will keep you
safe, There is NO hypocrisy in advertising it else where, Seriously. It's
useless without nodes, You could made an ad for the tor project nd put it on
TV, it doesn't take away from anonymity. It increases it because more people
will come in, nd strengthen the network.
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From: Yussi <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 7:59:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Netsukuku] Netsukuku facebook page!
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Facebook is dead, long live Diaspora!
Seriously though, I use facebook, and I fucking hate it, I know all
the moral ins and outs of using it, and still do. There was already a
facebook page for ntk, there are now two. I don't think this project
in particular is that subversive, the only thing about it that might
set some red lights is the association with the freaknet collective/dyne.
Yeah, even the Egyptian blackblock has a facebook page, this is dumb,
but i think ntk is all right there. I opened the reddit page (which at
retrospect was a pointless thing to do), but reddit is only slightly
better than FB.
I think discussing the morality and ethics of netsukuku is kinda
pointless, I would much rather discuss the technical aspects, I think
Valeska considers herself an anarcho-capitalist (but i don't want to
speak for her), which can explain some of the decisions she took, and
personally, as a primitivist/syndicalist/anarcho-communist/some other
labels, I find a dumb ideology to follow, not to mention that in my
eyes we already have something very similar to anarcho-capitalism with
the state already being less powerful than corporations.
none-the-less, this can explain some of the choices she took. Now this
will surely become a thread about politics, which I'd rather not have,
but if this is required to move us forwards into actually having some
organisation, and some actual development of the project, than we may
as well get it out of the way.
On a different topic, someone here said he knows how to make tunnels
over i2p, I forgot who that was, but I couldn't find anything in
google about this, the problem being that i2p has a java console, and
we need somehow to make a tunnel device interface. I forgot who that
was, but could you help me out with this?
thanks,
On 11/07/13 15:14, hellekin wrote:
> On 07/06/2013 01:04 PM, Charles N Wyble wrote:
>> Wow. What a great way to discourage participation. That meaaage
>> could have been written much nicer, and sent in private.
>
> *** I agree that it may sound harsh, but take into account a couple
> of things: Netsukuku is kind of an anti-facebook, as it fosters
> decentralization, anonymity, and censorship-resistance. Opening a
> page on Facebook is like getting in bed with the enemy. I'm pretty
> sure the proportion of people on this list using Facebook is MUCH
> LESS than the general population.
>
> So, combined with HTML posting, etc., it displays a bit of
> cluelessness that can be exasperating to some. I've seen that
> before in other lists. For example, a few months ago somebody
> willing to help the GNU Guile community opened a Google+ account.
> If you know about the GNU project, and where it stands ethically,
> you will understand how out-of-place that initiative was. Well,
> Facebook being even worse than Google, although it's arguable, you
> can't expect tolerance here.
>
> I think you need to reset your ethical filter, and read some
> anti-Facebook arguments. If you still can't see any problem using
> Facebook, and you insist that Facebook is a good way to promote an
> anti-establishment project--which, nowadays, is an unfortunate
> equivalent to non-supportive of the establishment--then consider
> this: people "liking" Netsukuku on Facebook will automatically be
> tagged as subversive, and watched (more closely) for that reason.
>
> I know that the Brazilian Black Bloc was (or still is?) on
> Facebook, and I found that so clueless that it made me laugh. I had
> no idea such radical people could be that clueless, or that bold,
> if you prefer.
>
> In conclusion, although I agree with you Charles that crash could
> have handled that issue privately, I'm also willing to consider it
> a general advice and heads up for all the people who, like you,
> are willing to help but lack a bit of context doing so.
>
> That said, failure is the best option to actually learn something!
> :)
>
> == hk
>
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