On 12 July 2013 14:40, <[email protected]> wrote: > Why about others and not us? It's us who want netsukuku to be used, isn't > it? I > don't expect other people to do anything and I don't want to convince them > about anything, as I said in the previous post. It's all about being an > example. >
It is your wish to have a network right? So unless all the people which you interact with, live in your neighborhood, I'm not getting how you will use ntk to communicate with your colleagues/friends, independently from the Internet. > > I won't got to my neighbour and try to convince him to use netsukuku. But > I can > ask him if he wants to do it. Or I can go to the local "gaztetxes" > (squatted > social centers) and put a router there. > Without ntk neighbors to connect with, how will it be useful? Just asking... > > I don't expect the masses to go after ntk because a few think it's the > right > way to go. I expect that those of us who think it's like that will use it. > Masses are sheeps, they only follow the mass, they have no critical > thought or > opinion. And thus I don't give a fuck about masses. Those who don't want to > change won't do so and will stay lost in this world of chaos, trying > others to > stay with them. > > Sorry if I sound insulting, but I have no verbal respect for those who > don't > deserve it. > That's a very selfish way to manage respect, but ok. I respect you anyway because I don't feel insulted. This is just a discussion about NTK usability scenarios. > > I think an american guy something similar to this: > if( safety > freedom) return null; > Now change safety for comfot and it's even better. And that's what people > care > about, comfort, and not freedom. It's easier to be a sheep than a human, > because you don't have to think yourself. So I don't expect them to open > the > fence and run free, but I'll open it myself and I'll let it open for those > of > them who are brave enough to go after freedom. > That's an ideological theme. I don't feel myself as an example of anything. I don't expect people to follow me. I expect only for people to decide what path should they follow, wether I agree with it or not. But the technical problem here being discussed interconnects with the subject, because without users, there is no NTK network (independent from the Internet I mean). Valeska intentions I believe, were simply to present the opportunity to far more people. I don't see any problem in that but then again, I'm not living to be perfect nor to be a Hero. I leave that for the fictional characters. Well, a good afternoon for you too :) > > Anyway, have a nice afternoon. > > -- > gdrooid > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 01:39:02PM +0100, Carlos Ferreira wrote: > > > [...] > > This is not a question about us or about us changing the world. Its > about other > > people wanting to change. You cannot expect other people to go after a > new > > thing (netsukuku) just because its considered by a few "the right > way to > > go". The people need to enter such system voluntarily otherwise > they will > > just be dragging themselves. Its like choosing "the red pill" > when in > > fact, they want "the blue pill", but they just don't know yet > because > > they don't really know "how deep the rabbit hole goes..." > > The change must be shown first so that the will makes the change from > within. > > > > Also, these people are not sheeps, they are persons just like us, it just > > happens that they have different interests and different priorities. We > should > > also respect that. > _______________________________________________ > Netsukuku mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/netsukuku > -- Carlos Miguel Ferreira Researcher at Telecommunications Institute Aveiro - Portugal Work E-mail - [email protected] MSN Contact -> [email protected] Skype & GTalk -> [email protected] LinkedIn -> http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlosmferreira
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