On 12 July 2013 12:01, <[email protected]> wrote: > First of all, let it be philosophical. Software is not only about technical > stuff, otherwise, why don't we code free drivers for nuclear weapons? We > are > (or should be) human, not robots. > > As I said before (it was me with a missconfiguratin in .muttrc) start by > changing yourself. If you can't get out of facebook non of your friends > will. > The best (even the only) way of changing people's minds is being an > example to > them. Want to get your friends out of facebook? Get out of it. And stay > firm. > If you really believe that people should stop using facebook, why the hell > do > you go back to it? Are you a sheep following the mass like most of the > people? > Only dead fish follow the current. >
I only use Facebook to stay in contact with some friends. I more of a IM guy with a gigantic contact list that has been kept over the years. This is my main way to stay in contact with friends that are far away. > > I've had to fight against the fucking Winbugs almost-monopoly in the 3 > years > I've spent at university, because teachers didn't use Linux and didn't > want to > learn alternatives to the software they were used to teach. But I stayed > firm > and refused to use winbugs at all, and in the end I even got other 3 mates > to > change to GNU/Linux, just by being a fucking example to them. I didn't even > need to talk shit about winbugs, I just used Linux. > Good for you. At my university we are all Linux because it is impossible to do what we do with Windows (and I mean, work with network protocols). Despite that, I still use Windows for other things (Office and stuff) Why? Because its a job requirement and my co-workers use it and prefer to use it. I respect that and I have adapted to the situation. I have no problem in working in a windows environment if required and I don't bitch about it. > > You ain't changing nothing talking to people if you don't change yourself. > If > you want change, Do It Yourself. It's hard as fuck, yeah, but sacrifice is > what > makes things valuable. > > Whatever you said about anarcho-capitalism I don't care, I'm plain > anarchist. > I respect that. Its an ideology. > > I don't know what momentum you're talking about because there is none right > now. Be patient. Netsukuku is not like Tor or I2P. It's seeks something > similar, but in a way more difficult way, so it's normal that it's more > difficult to make people use it, but just keep working, and using it > yourself. > And close that damn facebook account, I bet you don't need it at all. > Like I said, I use facebook to keep in contact with friends. I adapted to the situation and because of that, I maintained the contact. I have no problem in using Facebook. This is not a question about us or about us changing the world. Its about other people wanting to change. You cannot expect other people to go after a new thing (netsukuku) just because its considered by a few "the right way to go". The people need to enter such system voluntarily otherwise they will just be dragging themselves. Its like choosing "the red pill" when in fact, they want "the blue pill", but they just don't know yet because they don't really know "how deep the rabbit hole goes..." The change must be shown first so that the will makes the change from within. Also, these people are not sheeps, they are persons just like us, it just happens that they have different interests and different priorities. We should also respect that. > > -- > Gdrooid > > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:24:31AM +0100, Carlos Ferreira wrote: > > Ok this thread is starting to get philosophical but let me try to put it > the > > technical path. > > > > Convincing people to change is very difficult because of the resistance > and > > drag effect. Take a look at what happened with G+ and Facebook. G+ is a > total > > failure for the simple fact that very little people were using it. I use > > Facebook and I have a G+ account that I never use. Why? Because my > friends are > > at Facebook. The more friends I have on facebook the more difficult it > is for > > me to change to G+ simply because none of my friends are there. Even if I > > manage to convince some of them to change, the time effect will undo-it > simply > > because they end up changing back to Facebook because most of their > friends are > > using Facebook. > > > > It's a mesh-effect and the same can be compared to Netsukuku and the > > traditional Internet. In order to establish a gigantic network with > netsuku, > > people need to be convinced to at least try and stay for awhile, in > order to > > achieve a critical mass that will fight the tendency for people to > switch back > > and maintain the users interest in using netsukuku. Its basically the > chicken > > and the egg dilemma. Why would anyone want to use netsukuku if no one > around is > > using netsukuku? > > I ask myself what would I need to convince a neighbour to join my > netsukuku > > piece of network. I would need to convince him to buy a decent router > (€€€), > > convince him that he would be able to do at least some of the things > that he > > does on the internet (difficult but achievable) and convince him to > maintain > > it. This is easier for the l33ts of the telecommunications world but > very hard > > to achieve for the rest of the people and face it, there aren't > > many telecommunications l33ts out their. > > > > Even anarcho-capitalists like Jeff Berwick from the Dollar Vigilante > strongly > > support the todays internet mainly because is composed by hundreds of > private > > corporations, interconnected amongst themselves. > > > > I think that "spreading the word" is as important as > "writing > > the code". Also, the momentum needs to be kept, otherwise time will > end up > > killing it. > > -- > > > > Carlos Miguel Ferreira > > Researcher at Telecommunications Institute > > Aveiro - Portugal > > Work E-mail - [email protected] > > MSN Contact -> [email protected] > > Skype & GTalk -> [email protected] > > LinkedIn -> http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlosmferreira > > > _______________________________________________ > > Netsukuku mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/netsukuku > > _______________________________________________ > Netsukuku mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/netsukuku > -- Carlos Miguel Ferreira Researcher at Telecommunications Institute Aveiro - Portugal Work E-mail - [email protected] MSN Contact -> [email protected] Skype & GTalk -> [email protected] LinkedIn -> http://www.linkedin.com/in/carlosmferreira
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