Wow. Did I open a can of worms. All I wanted to do is have a check in disparity of bulbs. I recommend we blame gremlins & have the bike excercized.
Thank you, Ross M. Jamison Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> wrote: > "ballast resistor" is the term I typically hear. > > An LEDs output does not depend on the voltage across it, like a standard > filament. Normal lights use current through a wire to make heat; light is the > byproduct. Since V=IR, and the resistance is fixed, more voltage across the > element gives you more current through it, thus more light. > > An LED produces light from the interaction of electrons across a junction of > two dissimilar materials. The voltage drop across the junction is fixed by > properties of the junction; more voltage can damage the diode, not help it. > > If the diode is the only draw in the circuit, current will be very HIGH, as > the resistance of the wire is low and the voltage is high. "Drop in" LEDs > have a VERY large resistor in series with the diode, to shed voltage down to > the needed level without drawing high current. > > Looking at it that way, the product page is correct, and my initial > suggestion was bad; putting the ballast resistor pack across the terminals of > the lamp unit (diode + resistor) will decrease resistance and increase > current, allowing the load dependent flasher to work. > > My comment did not assume a retail lamp, w/ resistor already in the circuit. > > Kurt > > On Aug 27, 2012 2:13 PM, "Ross M. Jamison" <[email protected]> > wrote: > Your right. I called it a resistor but that may not be what it really is > > Thank you, > > Ross M. Jamison > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 12:36 PM, "Hanghank" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Double check that. I know only a little about LED’s but they are low load, >> and I believe the resistor goes across the two leads to the LED to increase >> the load, or current consumption. Putting them in series with the power >> would reduce the voltage/current even more. Ironically, current operated >> relays require additional load to be added to the circuit, negating the >> benefit of the reduced current. No resistor needed except for current >> operated relays. Why not add a “solid state” relay and enjoy the energy >> savings? >> >> From: Ross M. Jamison >> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:13 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN! >> >> Graham, >> Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led & incandescent will >> not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between >> the led & power source. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Ross M. Jamison >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> thanks Kurt, I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on >>> something else for a while, it's too boggled, Graham >>> >>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote: >>> >>>> Graham, to recap: >>>> >>>> You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs. >>>> >>>> The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the >>>> switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and >>>> connect the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs >>>> draws a certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a >>>> metal strip. This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. >>>> Current stops flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the >>>> cycle all over again. >>>> >>>> If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere >>>> upstream of the switch, including the switch itself. >>>> >>>> When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the >>>> relay; the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you >>>> have voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch >>>> contacts. Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly >>>> you'll just get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks. >>>> >>>> Kurt >>>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, "Graham Rogers" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> Allen, I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't >>>> find it. I'll try again today and report back. It seems that I have 12 v >>>> from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I >>>> activate the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which >>>> may be it should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights >>>> and the running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However >>>> the green and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn >>>> signal. I tried jumping wires from the relay to various places along the >>>> wire harness. Just give me carbs to clean instead! Graham >>>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire? >>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>>>> From: "Allen Thomas" <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +0000 >>>>> To: Nightwawk Lovers<[email protected]> >>>>> ReplyTo: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN! >>>>> >>>>> That is what the givi cases are for. >>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>>>> From: Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> >>>>> Sender: [email protected] >>>>> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400 >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> ReplyTo: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN! >>>>> >>>>> You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/ >>>>> >>>>> Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? 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