None taken. Good info to know Thank you,
Ross M. Jamison Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry, sometimes I launch into "lecture mode" with these things. Didn't mean > to offend anyone. > > Kurt > > On Aug 27, 2012 2:39 PM, "Ross M. Jamison" <[email protected]> > wrote: > Wow. Did I open a can of worms. All I wanted to do is have a check in > disparity of bulbs. I recommend we blame gremlins & have the bike excercized. > > Thank you, > > Ross M. Jamison > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> wrote: > >> "ballast resistor" is the term I typically hear. >> >> An LEDs output does not depend on the voltage across it, like a standard >> filament. Normal lights use current through a wire to make heat; light is >> the byproduct. Since V=IR, and the resistance is fixed, more voltage across >> the element gives you more current through it, thus more light. >> >> An LED produces light from the interaction of electrons across a junction of >> two dissimilar materials. The voltage drop across the junction is fixed by >> properties of the junction; more voltage can damage the diode, not help it. >> >> If the diode is the only draw in the circuit, current will be very HIGH, as >> the resistance of the wire is low and the voltage is high. "Drop in" LEDs >> have a VERY large resistor in series with the diode, to shed voltage down to >> the needed level without drawing high current. >> >> Looking at it that way, the product page is correct, and my initial >> suggestion was bad; putting the ballast resistor pack across the terminals >> of the lamp unit (diode + resistor) will decrease resistance and increase >> current, allowing the load dependent flasher to work. >> >> My comment did not assume a retail lamp, w/ resistor already in the circuit. >> >> Kurt >> >> On Aug 27, 2012 2:13 PM, "Ross M. Jamison" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> Your right. I called it a resistor but that may not be what it really is >> >> Thank you, >> >> Ross M. Jamison >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 12:36 PM, "Hanghank" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Double check that. I know only a little about LED’s but they are low >>> load, and I believe the resistor goes across the two leads to the LED to >>> increase the load, or current consumption. Putting them in series with the >>> power would reduce the voltage/current even more. Ironically, current >>> operated relays require additional load to be added to the circuit, >>> negating the benefit of the reduced current. No resistor needed except for >>> current operated relays. Why not add a “solid state” relay and enjoy the >>> energy savings? >>> >>> From: Ross M. Jamison >>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:13 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN! >>> >>> Graham, >>> Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led & incandescent will >>> not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between >>> the led & power source. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Ross M. Jamison >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> thanks Kurt, I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on >>>> something else for a while, it's too boggled, Graham >>>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote: >>>> >>>>> Graham, to recap: >>>>> >>>>> You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs. >>>>> >>>>> The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the >>>>> switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and >>>>> connect the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs >>>>> draws a certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a >>>>> metal strip. This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. >>>>> Current stops flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the >>>>> cycle all over again. >>>>> >>>>> If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie >>>>> somewhere upstream of the switch, including the switch itself. >>>>> >>>>> When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the >>>>> relay; the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you >>>>> have voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch >>>>> contacts. Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly >>>>> you'll just get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks. >>>>> >>>>> Kurt >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, "Graham Rogers" <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Allen, I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't >>>>> find it. I'll try again today and report back. It seems that I have 12 >>>>> v from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I >>>>> activate the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which >>>>> may be it should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights >>>>> and the running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However >>>>> the green and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn >>>>> signal. I tried jumping wires from the relay to various places along the >>>>> wire harness. Just give me carbs to clean instead! Graham >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire? >>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>>>>> From: "Allen Thomas" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +0000 >>>>>> To: Nightwawk Lovers<[email protected]> >>>>>> ReplyTo: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN! >>>>>> >>>>>> That is what the givi cases are for. >>>>>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>>>>> From: Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sender: [email protected] >>>>>> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400 >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> ReplyTo: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN! >>>>>> >>>>>> You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? 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