Exercized: when you ride the devil out of it! Exorcized: when you get the priest to drive the devil out of it! Excercized: circumcision by an ex wife. (Not sure spelling it, but my ex would do it!) ;~)
From: Ross M. Jamison Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:38 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN! Wow. Did I open a can of worms. All I wanted to do is have a check in disparity of bulbs. I recommend we blame gremlins & have the bike excercized. Thank you, Ross M. Jamison Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> wrote: "ballast resistor" is the term I typically hear. An LEDs output does not depend on the voltage across it, like a standard filament. Normal lights use current through a wire to make heat; light is the byproduct. Since V=IR, and the resistance is fixed, more voltage across the element gives you more current through it, thus more light. An LED produces light from the interaction of electrons across a junction of two dissimilar materials. The voltage drop across the junction is fixed by properties of the junction; more voltage can damage the diode, not help it. If the diode is the only draw in the circuit, current will be very HIGH, as the resistance of the wire is low and the voltage is high. "Drop in" LEDs have a VERY large resistor in series with the diode, to shed voltage down to the needed level without drawing high current. Looking at it that way, the product page is correct, and my initial suggestion was bad; putting the ballast resistor pack across the terminals of the lamp unit (diode + resistor) will decrease resistance and increase current, allowing the load dependent flasher to work. My comment did not assume a retail lamp, w/ resistor already in the circuit. Kurt On Aug 27, 2012 2:13 PM, "Ross M. Jamison" <[email protected]> wrote: Your right. I called it a resistor but that may not be what it really is Thank you, Ross M. Jamison Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2012, at 12:36 PM, "Hanghank" <[email protected]> wrote: Double check that. I know only a little about LED’s but they are low load, and I believe the resistor goes across the two leads to the LED to increase the load, or current consumption. Putting them in series with the power would reduce the voltage/current even more. Ironically, current operated relays require additional load to be added to the circuit, negating the benefit of the reduced current. No resistor needed except for current operated relays. Why not add a “solid state” relay and enjoy the energy savings? From: Ross M. Jamison Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:13 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN! Graham, Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led & incandescent will not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor between the led & power source. Thank you, Ross M. Jamison Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: thanks Kurt, I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind on something else for a while, it's too boggled, Graham On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote: Graham, to recap: You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs. The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip. This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over again. If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie somewhere upstream of the switch, including the switch itself. When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the relay; the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you have voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch contacts. Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly you'll just get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks. Kurt On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, "Graham Rogers" <[email protected]> wrote: Allen, I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't find it. I'll try again today and report back. It seems that I have 12 v from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried jumping wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just give me carbs to clean instead! Graham On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote: Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire? Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Allen Thomas" <[email protected]> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +0000 To: Nightwawk Lovers<[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN! That is what the givi cases are for. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400 To: <[email protected]> ReplyTo: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN! You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/ Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? 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