Sorry, sometimes I launch into "lecture mode" with these things. Didn't mean to offend anyone.
Kurt On Aug 27, 2012 2:39 PM, "Ross M. Jamison" <[email protected]> wrote: > Wow. Did I open a can of worms. All I wanted to do is have a check in > disparity of bulbs. I recommend we blame gremlins & have the bike > excercized. > > Thank you, > > Ross M. Jamison > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> wrote: > > "ballast resistor" is the term I typically hear. > > An LEDs output does not depend on the voltage across it, like a standard > filament. Normal lights use current through a wire to make heat; light is > the byproduct. Since V=IR, and the resistance is fixed, more voltage across > the element gives you more current through it, thus more light. > > An LED produces light from the interaction of electrons across a junction > of two dissimilar materials. The voltage drop across the junction is fixed > by properties of the junction; more voltage can damage the diode, not help > it. > > If the diode is the only draw in the circuit, current will be very HIGH, > as the resistance of the wire is low and the voltage is high. "Drop in" > LEDs have a VERY large resistor in series with the diode, to shed voltage > down to the needed level without drawing high current. > > Looking at it that way, the product page is correct, and my initial > suggestion was bad; putting the ballast resistor pack across the terminals > of the lamp unit (diode + resistor) will decrease resistance and increase > current, allowing the load dependent flasher to work. > > My comment did not assume a retail lamp, w/ resistor already in the > circuit. > > Kurt > On Aug 27, 2012 2:13 PM, "Ross M. Jamison" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Your right. I called it a resistor but that may not be what it really is >> >> Thank you, >> >> Ross M. Jamison >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 12:36 PM, "Hanghank" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Double check that. I know only a little about LED’s but they are low >> load, and I believe the resistor goes across the two leads to the LED to >> *increase* the load, or current consumption. Putting them in series >> with the power would reduce the voltage/current even more. Ironically, >> current operated relays require additional load to be added to the circuit, >> negating the benefit of the reduced current. No resistor needed except for >> current operated relays. Why not add a “solid state” relay and enjoy the >> energy savings? >> >> *From:* Ross M. Jamison <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2012 12:13 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Cc:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN! >> >> Graham, >> Check to see that there are NO LED bulbs installed. Led & incandescent >> will not work together. You can make them but you will need a resistor >> between the led & power source. >> >> Thank you, >> >> Ross M. Jamison >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Graham Rogers <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> thanks Kurt, I'll come back to it again later - I have to put my mind >> on something else for a while, it's too boggled, Graham >> >> On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:21 AM, Kurt Nolte wrote: >> >> Graham, to recap: >> >> You have swapped the relay, and you know you have four working bulbs. >> >> The relay supplies power to the signal switch. Internal contacts in the >> switch disconnect the parking light (not supplied by the relay) and connect >> the pathway to the proper signals side. The load of the bulbs draws a >> certain amount of current through the relay, which heats up a metal strip. >> This causes the strip to change shape, breaking the circuit. Current stops >> flowing, the strip cools and makes the circuit to start the cycle all over >> again. >> >> If you have an issue with all four signals, the problem must lie >> somewhere upstream of the switch, including the switch itself. >> >> When the switch is OFF, you will read voltage at the switch from the >> relay; the meter makes the connection and allows current to flow. If you >> have voltage at the switch, try checking JUST continuity across switch >> contacts. Unplug the wire from the relay; if it is functioning properly >> you'll just get intermittent voltage, which isn't useful for checks. >> >> Kurt >> On Aug 27, 2012 8:21 AM, "Graham Rogers" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Allen, I spent a couple of hours at it yesterday afternoon - couldn't >>> find it. I'll try again today and report back. It seems that I have 12 v >>> from the gray wire at the relay to the turn signal bulb but when I activate >>> the turn signal it cancels the voltage in the gray wire (which may be it >>> should if the gray wire carries voltage to the running lights and the >>> running lights go out when activating the turn signal). However the green >>> and white is not hot to the bulb when I activate the turn signal. I tried >>> jumping wires from the relay to various places along the wire harness. Just >>> give me carbs to clean instead! Graham >>> >>> On Aug 26, 2012, at 11:36 PM, Allen Thomas wrote: >>> >>> Graham, any luck on finding the bad wire? >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Allen Thomas" <[email protected]> >>> *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:54:49 +0000 >>> *To: *Nightwawk Lovers<[email protected]> >>> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] >>> *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN! >>> >>> That is what the givi cases are for. >>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *Kurt Nolte <[email protected]> >>> *Sender: *[email protected] >>> *Date: *Sun, 26 Aug 2012 11:25:24 -0400 >>> *To: *<[email protected]> >>> *ReplyTo: *[email protected] >>> *Subject: *Re: [Nighthawk Lovers] Turn signal problems - AGAIN ALLEN! >>> >>> You crazy lucky people and your blinker parties. I'm nine hours away. :/ >>> >>> Javier, where do you fit the cooler on the bike? 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