I have absolutely no problem with anonymity, but certainly I'd give no credence to
Kissing Rain's rantings - not because they were anonymous but just because they're
idiotic and destructive.

On the otherhand, I'd agree with anyone - whether anonymous or Paul - that the
return trip of RLCT 2000 sucked. WAIT A SECOND! -  Actually, the rain stopped after
the two hour shivering stop in Merrickville, and the company was excellent, so,  I
do disagree afterall, or maybe I'm just "difficult" and "unreasonable" but at least
not set in my ways! :-)...

Celia
(long time club member, EtC.)

Paul Smeulders wrote:

> While one poster has said, roughly, that anonymous activism/commentary is a
> "right" in our society, and I agree that there are situations that warrant
> it, I can't see how a situation such as wishing to express that bicycle
> rides "suck" would be one of those where it is warranted.
>
> man, you can tell us if something "sucked". But you went further than that,
> and made personal attacks. That's easier with anonymity, and therein lies
> the problem: where the "right" to anonymity is abused.  Now you don't have
> to look someone in the eye and justify your (incorrect) position regarding
> our faithful and capable volunteer(s). Pretty convenient.
>
> For this reason, I am in favour of totally ignoring the entire content of
> your letter, since it is no longer clear whether this is a legitimate
> complaint or merely a concocted story with which to eventually deliver some
> personal message of displeasure with someone else. Credibility is diminished
> to nil.
>
> How to make rides suck less? Well, I'm not feeling terribly helpful toward
> you today, so I'll only say, "your way" wasn't particularly useful.
>
> So some rides suck. Some don't. You can tell us if they did, or didn't. No
> big deal. Help us fix it. But making it personal?....Anonymously no less?
> Well, it seems a pretty one-sided affair, no? If you're going to make it
> personal, have the gumption to allow others the opportunity to approach YOU
> directly on the issue. THAT'S why you hide behind the pseudonym, to avoid
> just such a discussion, where you'll probably have to admit your mistake, or
> at least apologize to the harmed party. Once that's done, MAYBE the rest of
> your complaint can be taken seriously.
>
> So, some rides suck.
>
> Hey, I remember one!
>
> "Return trip RLCT 2000".
>
> Huh, everybody? Am I right?
>
> Yeah!
>
> Hey everybody: Paul Smeulders said the ride home from Kingston 2000 SUCKED.
> Paul Datars pulled my sorry ass all the way home. I am indebted to him, and
> grateful, and have a fond memory of completing the ride, however assisted I
> was. But despite his unselfishness, how much he gave up to help me finish
> (he could have gone faster), I'm sure Paul still understands if I STILL say
> "IT STILL SUCKED!!!" (but thanks, it sucked less than it WOULD have).
>
> Paul Smeulders
>
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