* A message from one of the silent *

I have just used Picolisp (PL) to write a tiny application that
generates web sites from xml files.  It was great fun, and I use it in
my business.  I am profoundly impressed with the power of the language.

I agree that picolisp can he hard to follow when you look at coding
examples, and more documentation is always good, but take a look at this
if you struggle:


It is a list of typical programming tasks and how to solve them in a
range of languages.

Surprisingly picolisp code solutions are numerous.  More so than more
mainstream languages.  You might also note that the PL solutions are
more succinct in most cases than other languages.

Keep up the good work everyone.  It is much appreciated.


Mark Stephens

On Mon, 2012-01-23 at 11:25 +1100, Konrad Zielinski wrote:
> I have to disagree. Having a framework comes later. There are two
> things that work against picolisp.
> 1. Lack of floating point numbers. Yes I know its a design decision
> and yes I know its not likely to change. But it is a lack that does
> put a lot of potential users off in the first five minutes, even if
> the problem they are trying to solve right now does not neat flaoting
> point numbers.
> 2. Lack of documentation. The langauge reference is terse and hard to
> understand. Meanwhile what tutorials do exist only cover a small
> faction of the langage. THis leaves it dificult to work out how most
> of the language needs to be used. In particular the list manipulation
> primites are just not adaquatly covered anywhere.
> This is the big one in my opinion. And having good documentation is
> very much part of what made languages like Python and Ruby take off in
> the first place. Python started life as a teching language so it had
> doccumentation from the begining.
> This is about as far as I end up getting every time I have a foray
> into using picoLisp. I love the language in theory, but Just can't do
> anything with it in practice. Often I work at odd moments without an
> internet connection and getting to the I can't find any way to do X
> problem is likely to end with I'll do it in python, rather then a post
> to mailing list.
> 3. Having a home grown database, rather then a clean binding to
> various SQL backends is likewise problametic. For a commerical point
> of view I would never be willing to recommend such a setup as it would
> expose me to too much Risk.
> Eventually data loss will occure. and If you are the one who chose
> this unproven technology without wide industry acceptence you are the
> one who will get all the blame.
> regs
> Konrad
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Terry Palfrey
> <terrypalfrey...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jan 22, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Jakob Eriksson <ja...@aurorasystems.eu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Don't confuse the silence of the majority for consent, one way or another,
> >> it's like politics. The most vocal proponents of any standpoint, are not
> >> likely to represent any majority.  And I haven't even touched on the
> >> possibility that the majority can be wrong. Right or wrong or correct
> >> or useful is not decided in a popularity contest.
> >
> >
> > In a world where all is (1's) and (0's) making the machine bow to your
> > vision is a
> > complex undertaking. You can use remote robotic constructions which are
> > simply
> > abstracted abstractions of a belief system or you can work more closely to
> > what
> > you are thinking of having happen. It doesn't matter what the world thinks
> > or what
> > the experts declare but it often has something to do with ego, bias and
> > money.
> >
> > Lisp as written about across the net and through interviews and books comes
> > with
> > a guarantee, it is smaller code, faster development and more direct
> > expression
> > and now computing power has caught up but mindset lags.
> >
> >>
> >> PicoLisp is old, but
> >> PicoLisp in a sense is very new - in the area where I personally see most
> >> potential (embedded in embedded hardware and embedded in programs), it has
> >> had a proprietary friendly license only since 2010. On the server it
> >> gained
> >> a 64 bit port only in 2009 and for reference and research a Java version
> >> 2010.
> >> Super easy library calling also came with the 64 bit version.
> >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps a look at what Perl, Ruby, Python et al did to become popular holds
> > the
> > clue to the logical step to promoting Picolisp to the  next level. Ruby got
> > and things got all excited. Is there a framework that Picolisp could bolt on
> > that
> > would allow neat things to be experienced? A couple of web applications that
> > could promote its name? Little tools that could be linked into the framework
> > or
> > apps that people could use immediately like a blogger or display for
> > pictures for
> > those who don't use things like drupal or flickr or can take personal stored
> > material
> > and quickly make it go to those places with automagic logins and uploads?
> >
> > Just some thoughts.
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >
> >>
> -- 
> read my mind at: http://the-willows.blogspot.com/

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