On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Andy Sy wrote:
> Pong wrote:
> > u mean like hell loads of thoughtless point-and-click
> > proprietary standards?
>
> Linux is the one with 'hell loads of standards':
pare, wala namang palitan ng paninindigan. i thought you said
'linux needs standards to survive.' or did i not get your point.
> Qt, Gnome, Tk, KDE, linuxfb, fbdev, fbconsole, GGI, DRI, XFree,
> Motif, Windowmaker - many duplicating each other's functionality
> and waaaaay less mature than Win32 and DirectX.
these are not standards. these are brand names. different
implementations/use of standards. maybe you are trying to point out how
windows beats linux on the desktop.
>
> And let's not get started on all the different 'proprietary'
> distros and their packaging formats.
>
distros are brands. they're not standards. after the end of the day, they
are all linux running the same protocols/standards. mag redhat ka man,
pwede mong patakbuhin na parang debin yon and vice-versa. (off-topic side
not: ang Win9x ba, pwede mo bang patakbuhin na parang Win2K/XP?)
> Maybe you should have picked a more appropriate argument? =)
this *is* a perfect argument. take a look at NetBEUI, Microsoft PPP LCP
Extensions, PPTP, Windows Internet Name Service, PDC/BDC/SMB (sorry for
those using Samba) --- all hell loads of proprietary standards. now,
compare that to TCP/IP, DHCP, IPSEC, DNS, RADIUS, LDAP, SSH -- the real
deal 'open standards'. if you knew better, you'd note Microsoft took
those open standards seriously, so serious, you'd be surprised WinXP made
sure it does all those things interoperably with any compliant OS
including Cisco IOS. if it didnt, WinXP wont live up to its hype. as
you've said, it'll probably die. now do you see unix running those
proprietary stuff for the sake of it? No! you only see linux running
those to interoperate like SMB and PPP LCP extensions (the one allowing
for PPP server-assigned nameserver addresses). it's not to survive along!
>
> > linux always has support for 'open standards' -- the thing that
> > matters most for any competent system.
>
> Open standards matter VERY VERY MUCH. But saying it is what matters
> *most* indicates either ignorance or an overzealous fanatical
> attitude. Of what use is an open standard if it is lousily written and
> inadequate to meet your needs?
>
hindi naman ako fanatic. no OS is perfect. you need a standard to be
open so that its short-sightedness/inadequacies can be corrected
better by the user community themselves. simply put proprietary
standardization is a jurassic model. if open standards can get screwed up,
proprietary/closed ones pa kaya.
pong
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