I would guess that your money on Protel would go the furthest with a lower cost motherboard and LOTS of memory and plenty of display space. Cut those pans. dual display?? triple display ??matrox g550 is working nicely here on 2 diplays.
My point being if you are manually laying out, I wouldn't expect any wait w/ a dual athalon at about 40% the price of a dual p4 for 95+% the performance. The money spent on display hardware and memory should have the greatest effect. Also for compute intensive jobs like the autorouter or fpga compilers, I wouldn't expect that much improvement w/ a dual P4 over a dual Athalon. Mike On 2002.07.21 14:22 Brian Guralnick wrote: > > Tom's Hardware Guide www.tomshardware.com is an excellent starting > resource > > for everything, other than entering key words in a search engine. > > Thanks, I completely forgot about Tom's hardware guide. I use to go > to that page back in the old days when I used to try to > overclock 200MHz processors... > > > With IDE RAID and the RPM's higher end IDE HD's are now at, SCSI may be > just > > an added complication to the system. I would re-think a SCSI decision > if > > that decision is based on speed and/or RAID. > > I guess you never been on a system with a SCSI3 Raid, 2 drive Seagate > Cheetah drive at 15000 RPM. This really cuts swapfile > time access by 3x-4x. I never had problems with SCSI in the past. As > long as you separate your SCSI from printers & scanners & > cheap CDR drives, It should work without problems. Especially if the > SCSI controller is built on the motherboard. But, I must > admit, if I wanted large media files on the system, I would just add a > cheap 120GB IDE drive. > > ____________ > Brian Guralnick > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Voice (514) 624-4003 > Fax (514) 624-3631 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not a > concern. > > > > > > Brian, > > > > This is a great topic, especially when money is not a concern. I have > great > > trust with the opinions of this group, but make sure that you spend a > good > > amount of time researching the stats of what you are looking at and the > > advice you receive. > > > > Tom's Hardware Guide www.tomshardware.com is an excellent starting > resource > > for everything, other than entering key words in a search engine. > > The chipset and motherboard issue have too many variables to correctly > guess > > which one is the best and is largely determined by your CPU choice(s). > > From my personal experience, the pros of AMD are mostly seen on game > > oriented platforms, when money is no object. > > I believe the industry made a mistake with RDRAM. Go with the fastest > DDR > > available. DDR400, I think. > > With IDE RAID and the RPM's higher end IDE HD's are now at, SCSI may be > just > > an added complication to the system. I would re-think a SCSI decision > if > > that decision is based on speed and/or RAID. > > I bought my power supply from PC Power and Cooling > www.pcpowerandcooling.com > > Never had any problems even when the power flickered, reset the cable > box > > and turned off the TV. I did not have a UPS at home and I know that > was > > just plain stupid, but my monitor never even flickered and I kept on > > working. I have had one person tell me afterwards that PC Power and > Cooling > > is just a reseller. I have not verified this. > > > > I am excited for you... > > I got my first big board near the end of last year. An 18-layer OC192 > card > > with the major components being 22 BGA's from 676 pins to 272 pins, 12 > QFP's > > from 100 to 32 pins, and a large multiple power supply section. It had > diff > > pairs, matched lengths, clock lines and controlled impedances. The > entire > > board was hand routed on my then new machine here at home, and a 420 > > Precision Dell that I was upgraded to at my work. The beautiful part > was > > the majority of the board was in four mostly repeatable sections. This > 24" > > x 8" card is still the most enjoyable project I have encountered to > date. > > > > My employer and I have had mostly good experiences with Dell support. > The > > bad experiences were only when we tried to use e-mail correspondence to > > solve an issue. > > > > Good luck to you. > > > > Cheers! > > Drew > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Guralnick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 3:35 PM > > Subject: [PEDA] Fastest possible Protel system, price is not a concern. > > > > > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > I just got my first mega-huge contract for PCB design with > Protel. We > > are talking 8 x 1020 FBGAs + 4 x 1024 bit DDR sdram > > > sections + a whole lot of other stuff. > > > > > > Price of system is not a concern. I have no problem in choosing > OS, > > video card, monitors, HDs... It's the choice of > > > motherboard & memory bus speed. > > > > > > My target system is Dual P4, 2 GByte ram, Seagate Cheetah SCSI3 > > drives. > > > > > > What is the current top RDR memory technology? > > > What is the current top motherboard chipset, & motherboard brand for > such > > a system? > > > What is the best choice for a PC power supply? (For such a system, > the > > run of the mil 350 watt just isn't good enough, especially > > > when you consider the price of the whole thin, I'd rather got with > the > > Cadillac of power supplies.) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > ____________ > > > Brian Guralnick > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Voice (514) 624-4003 > > > Fax (514) 624-3631 > > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************************************************ > > > * Tracking #: EF8406847C44974E9EEC81ACB3A2B87673DA95A3 > > > * > > > ************************************************************************ > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * To post a message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * To leave this list visit: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/leave.html * * Contact the list manager: * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Forum Guidelines Rules: * http://www.techservinc.com/protelusers/forumrules.html * * Browse or Search previous postings: * http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
