Mike,

Go read my reply to Ian, and walk thru the problem again, with the added two
step "work around", and I think that you will find that everything does in
fact come out correct in the end.

Thanks

JaMi

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Reagan (EDSI)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] flipping board


> Yea Jami  and how do you propose to get pin 1 not reversed then populating
> all of the components on the board all backwards?  We call that smoke then
> fire.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JaMi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Protel EDA Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: JaMi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [PEDA] flipping board
>
>
> > Jun,
> >
> > I am not quite sure what you are asking here, but I think you want to
take
> > the components and circuitry on the top and flip it on the bottom, and
> that
> > what was on the bottom then becomes flipped to the top.
> >
> > Try this with a copy of your database, so that you do not loose anything
> if
> > it does not work.
> >
> > Make sure you have a large area to the right or above you original board
> to
> > work with.
> >
> > It will be much easier to do this if you set your grid to .100" and make
a
> > reference point at the lower left of the original board, and another one
> at
> > the lower right of the new board location.on this grid.
> >
> > Turn off all layers except the top layer.
> >
> > Select everything on the top layer (including all traces and components,
> > etc.).
> >
> > Use E C (Edit Copy) and click on your reference point to set the
reference
> > point of the copy.
> >
> > Turn the bottom layer back on.
> >
> > Make the bottom layer the active layer.
> >
> > Use E A (Edit Paste Special) to copy the array, and "check off" the
boxes
> in
> > the Paste Special Dialogue for "Paste on current layer", "Keep net
name",
> > and "Duplicate designator", and then click on the "Paste" button.
> >
> > Hit "x" on your keyboard to flip the array.
> >
> > You will get a warning message that says "Warning: you are attempting to
> > flip a component to the same side of the board . . . ", but remember, we
> > changed from the top layer of the board to the bottom layer of the
board,
> so
> > we really are not on the same layer anymore, so where it says "Do you
want
> > to continue?", click on the "Yes" button.
> >
> > Position your new array to the right or above the original board, at
your
> > new reference point, and then place it with a mouse click.
> >
> > Use E E A (or X A ) to deselect everything.
> >
> > You should now have a mirror image if your top layer on the bottom layer
> in
> > a new location.
> >
> > You will also have a bunch of rats nest connections going between the
two
> > boards since you have "duplicated" all of the components and all of the
> > traces.
> >
> > Inspect everything to make sure this is what you want, and if so, then
> > continue.
> >
> > Turn off everything except the bottom layer.
> >
> > Select everything on the bottom layer of your original board, and do an
E
> C
> > and select your reference point for your original board.
> >
> > Turn the top layer back on, and make it the current layer.
> >
> > Go thru the E A (Paste Special) Dialogue again, flip it by hitting "x",
> > click "Yes", and place your new top layer where it belongs with respect
to
> > your new bottom layer.
> >
> > You will have to go thru this same scenario for other signal layers of
the
> > board, but should not have to worry about flipping plane layers unless
you
> > have "split planes", in which case you will have to flip them also,
> although
> > you do have to copy any boundries on your planes,into your new board
> > (although it may be easier just to "fix" the planes in the Layer Stack
> > Manager after you are done with everything else).
> >
> > Once you have copied or transferred everything to your new "flipped"
> board,
> > make sure all of your layers are turned on, and that you have copied
> > everything that you need to copy into your new "mirrior image" board,
and
> if
> > everything looks OK, then it is time do delete the original.
> >
> > Simply select everything in the original board, and delete it.
> >
> > You may now want to move your new board into the place formerly occupied
> > with the old one.
> >
> > Needless to say, you will have to juggle your mechanical layers to your
> new
> > configuration, and possibly other things such as the board outline and
> > keepout layers, etc., etc., but other than that I think that you will
have
> > what you are looking for.
> >
> > Hope this works for you,
> >
> > JaMi Smith
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jun Gong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Protel
> Developers
> > Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Open Topic Forum"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:23 PM
> > Subject: [PEDA] flipping board
> >
> >
> > > Hi, Any one knows how to flip a board in Protel?
> > >
> > > I want to turn the direction of a pre-routed PCB (  the left side will
> be
> > at
> > > right side and right side will be at the left, just like I hold a
piece
> of
> > > PCB board in hand and turn it ).
> > >
> > > I selected the PCB board, then press X key, Protel prompts that it
will
> > flip
> > > the board in the same layer, so wires are kept in the original layer
and
> > > compoent footprints are flipped but keep in the original layer.
> > >
> > > I can not use "L" key, because a lot of wires and components are
> selected.
> > >
> > > Anyone has a solution?
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot.
> > >
> > > Jun
> > >
> >

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