Yea Jami  and how do you propose to get pin 1 not reversed then populating
all of the components on the board all backwards?  We call that smoke then
fire.


Mike



----- Original Message -----
From: JaMi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Protel EDA Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: JaMi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] flipping board


> Jun,
>
> I am not quite sure what you are asking here, but I think you want to take
> the components and circuitry on the top and flip it on the bottom, and
that
> what was on the bottom then becomes flipped to the top.
>
> Try this with a copy of your database, so that you do not loose anything
if
> it does not work.
>
> Make sure you have a large area to the right or above you original board
to
> work with.
>
> It will be much easier to do this if you set your grid to .100" and make a
> reference point at the lower left of the original board, and another one
at
> the lower right of the new board location.on this grid.
>
> Turn off all layers except the top layer.
>
> Select everything on the top layer (including all traces and components,
> etc.).
>
> Use E C (Edit Copy) and click on your reference point to set the reference
> point of the copy.
>
> Turn the bottom layer back on.
>
> Make the bottom layer the active layer.
>
> Use E A (Edit Paste Special) to copy the array, and "check off" the boxes
in
> the Paste Special Dialogue for "Paste on current layer", "Keep net name",
> and "Duplicate designator", and then click on the "Paste" button.
>
> Hit "x" on your keyboard to flip the array.
>
> You will get a warning message that says "Warning: you are attempting to
> flip a component to the same side of the board . . . ", but remember, we
> changed from the top layer of the board to the bottom layer of the board,
so
> we really are not on the same layer anymore, so where it says "Do you want
> to continue?", click on the "Yes" button.
>
> Position your new array to the right or above the original board, at your
> new reference point, and then place it with a mouse click.
>
> Use E E A (or X A ) to deselect everything.
>
> You should now have a mirror image if your top layer on the bottom layer
in
> a new location.
>
> You will also have a bunch of rats nest connections going between the two
> boards since you have "duplicated" all of the components and all of the
> traces.
>
> Inspect everything to make sure this is what you want, and if so, then
> continue.
>
> Turn off everything except the bottom layer.
>
> Select everything on the bottom layer of your original board, and do an E
C
> and select your reference point for your original board.
>
> Turn the top layer back on, and make it the current layer.
>
> Go thru the E A (Paste Special) Dialogue again, flip it by hitting "x",
> click "Yes", and place your new top layer where it belongs with respect to
> your new bottom layer.
>
> You will have to go thru this same scenario for other signal layers of the
> board, but should not have to worry about flipping plane layers unless you
> have "split planes", in which case you will have to flip them also,
although
> you do have to copy any boundries on your planes,into your new board
> (although it may be easier just to "fix" the planes in the Layer Stack
> Manager after you are done with everything else).
>
> Once you have copied or transferred everything to your new "flipped"
board,
> make sure all of your layers are turned on, and that you have copied
> everything that you need to copy into your new "mirrior image" board, and
if
> everything looks OK, then it is time do delete the original.
>
> Simply select everything in the original board, and delete it.
>
> You may now want to move your new board into the place formerly occupied
> with the old one.
>
> Needless to say, you will have to juggle your mechanical layers to your
new
> configuration, and possibly other things such as the board outline and
> keepout layers, etc., etc., but other than that I think that you will have
> what you are looking for.
>
> Hope this works for you,
>
> JaMi Smith
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jun Gong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Protel
Developers
> Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Open Topic Forum"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:23 PM
> Subject: [PEDA] flipping board
>
>
> > Hi, Any one knows how to flip a board in Protel?
> >
> > I want to turn the direction of a pre-routed PCB (  the left side will
be
> at
> > right side and right side will be at the left, just like I hold a piece
of
> > PCB board in hand and turn it ).
> >
> > I selected the PCB board, then press X key, Protel prompts that it will
> flip
> > the board in the same layer, so wires are kept in the original layer and
> > compoent footprints are flipped but keep in the original layer.
> >
> > I can not use "L" key, because a lot of wires and components are
selected.
> >
> > Anyone has a solution?
> >
> > Thanks a lot.
> >
> > Jun
> >
>

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