Cheers John,
Nice to hear from you again. As I mentioned earlier, shame we didn't find
the user group earlier... a trouble shared etc. I think I'll just let the
issue wash over now while I get some work done. Thanks to all of you for
your time and diligence.
Rob
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> Just slightly embittered after barttling with bugs on
> vanishing timelines.
Robert
Been there, done that, got stressed, gave up, went to pub, end of
problem till Monday at least.
Humorously translating a design I got from some guys in Caldicot which
was in Allegro funnily enough :-)
but the translation time took less time than getting to a reasonable
competency level in Allegro!
Best Regards
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> Robert
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> I think you are being a bit hard here and overly critical of
> Protel tools, if the tools were so bad why has Zarlink
> (Mitel, GPS) used them for so long.
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> Some of your statements below show a certain unfamiliarity
> with the tools which would be pre-requisite knowledge for a
> fair and honest comparison against another vendors tools.
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> To be fair I think a little resistance to change on your part
> :-) would be more a reason for your comments than the tools
> themselves considering Protels history at Zarlink.
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> Zarlink (Mitel, GPS) has had good use out of Protel tool for
> a long time, in fact I remember being asked by some of your
> colleagues for a recommendation for changing from V2.8 to
> P98, I had the same conversation again with them on 99SE. In
> fact the designs for your first QPSK de-mod was given to me
> in Protel (still have SCH here, pre 1997 and marked GEC Plessey).
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> P98 was the first copy of Protel I liked (2.8 was not for
> me), but at that time I regularly used Orcad since SDT III,
> Ulticap & PowerLogic but over the years most of my SCH or
> captured entry is in Protel with layout split across either
> PowerPCB or Protel.
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> Bug wise all three have there own set of nasties, dos and don'ts.
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> If I did not have a variety of tools at my disposal I could
> not work efficiently and not all tools, are all things to all people.
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> I agree the SI tools are pretty poor.
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> But great improvements have been made in DXP and even
> although I am very critical and very out spoken of some of
> the features & changes within DXP, these criticisms of mine
> are purely productivity related (proven by internal trials
> here), it does not mean it is a bad product or have great
> potential, in fact I do believe with the Protel ease of use,
> bi-directional compatibility with Orcad, that nVisage
> (capture tool within DXP, also available as stand alone
> product) could well have the possibility to knock both Orcad
> Capture and PowerLogic off the pedestals they has been
> sitting on for so long.
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> All just my opinions of course.
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> Best Regards
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> John A. Ross
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> > Strange this, I am going in exactly the opposite direction. I used
> > Orcad for 8 yrs until my present job introduced me to Protel. I am
> > crowing with delight now that the firm has cut a deal with Cadence.
> > Protel has got the "look and feel" right and Orcad is undeniably
> > clunky but I still can't believe that any professional app
> could be as
> > unreliable as Protel. Crashes frequently and thoroughly, can't do
> > hierarchy properly, can't screen single pin nets ( very
> embarrasing ),
> > leaves routes hanging unconnected without warning, cannot
> > reconnect a netlist to routes competently. The SI tools are
> > very fragile and do strange things without warning, there is
> > no documentation to properly describe the workings of the SI
> > tools... (ie the calculation engine(s)). I have no idea
> > without doing experimental work as to how much of the SI
> > output is true ( again, embarrasing ). It was as though the
> > authors got so far and then gave up. They did all the up
> > front look and feel stuff but forgot the really important
> > hard edges. No way has my experience with Protel given me the
> > slightest desire to try DXP. I am on my last Protel project
> > now and it is Orcad and Specctra from now on... yippee!!
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> > Hi all, I used to use Protel 99SE about 3 years ago. Then
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> > job, the company has Orcad. I've been using Orcad now for
> the 3 years
> > and I am absolutely disgusted with it. I'm trying to convince
> > management to go to Protel. All I wanted to know is how
> everyone feels
> > about the new Protel DXP. I really want to switch back to
> Protel and
> > any info would be great! Thanks for the replies
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