Just slightly embittered after barttling with bugs on vanishing timelines.
"John A. Ross
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Robert
I think you are being a bit hard here and overly critical of Protel
tools, if the tools were so bad why has Zarlink (Mitel, GPS) used them
for so long.
Some of your statements below show a certain unfamiliarity with the
tools which would be pre-requisite knowledge for a fair and honest
comparison against another vendors tools.
To be fair I think a little resistance to change on your part :-) would
be more a reason for your comments than the tools themselves considering
Protels history at Zarlink.
Zarlink (Mitel, GPS) has had good use out of Protel tool for a long
time, in fact I remember being asked by some of your colleagues for a
recommendation for changing from V2.8 to P98, I had the same
conversation again with them on 99SE. In fact the designs for your first
QPSK de-mod was given to me in Protel (still have SCH here, pre 1997 and
marked GEC Plessey).
P98 was the first copy of Protel I liked (2.8 was not for me), but at
that time I regularly used Orcad since SDT III, Ulticap & PowerLogic but
over the years most of my SCH or captured entry is in Protel with layout
split across either PowerPCB or Protel.
Bug wise all three have there own set of nasties, dos and don'ts.
If I did not have a variety of tools at my disposal I could not work
efficiently and not all tools, are all things to all people.
I agree the SI tools are pretty poor.
But great improvements have been made in DXP and even although I am very
critical and very out spoken of some of the features & changes within
DXP, these criticisms of mine are purely productivity related (proven by
internal trials here), it does not mean it is a bad product or have
great potential, in fact I do believe with the Protel ease of use,
bi-directional compatibility with Orcad, that nVisage (capture tool
within DXP, also available as stand alone product) could well have the
possibility to knock both Orcad Capture and PowerLogic off the pedestals
they has been sitting on for so long.
All just my opinions of course.
Best Regards
John A. Ross
RSD Communications ltd
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WWW http://www.rsd.tv
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> Strange this, I am going in exactly the opposite direction. I
> used Orcad for 8 yrs until my present job introduced me to
> Protel. I am crowing with delight now that the firm has cut a
> deal with Cadence. Protel has got the "look and feel" right
> and Orcad is undeniably clunky but I still can't believe that
> any professional app could be as unreliable as Protel.
> Crashes frequently and thoroughly, can't do hierarchy
> properly, can't screen single pin nets ( very embarrasing ),
> leaves routes hanging unconnected without warning, cannot
> reconnect a netlist to routes competently. The SI tools are
> very fragile and do strange things without warning, there is
> no documentation to properly describe the workings of the SI
> tools... (ie the calculation engine(s)). I have no idea
> without doing experimental work as to how much of the SI
> output is true ( again, embarrasing ). It was as though the
> authors got so far and then gave up. They did all the up
> front look and feel stuff but forgot the really important
> hard edges. No way has my experience with Protel given me the
> slightest desire to try DXP. I am on my last Protel project
> now and it is Orcad and Specctra from now on... yippee!!
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> Hi all, I used to use Protel 99SE about 3 years ago. Then
> with a new job, the company has Orcad. I've been using Orcad
> now for the 3 years and I am absolutely disgusted with it.
> I'm trying to convince management to go to Protel. All I
> wanted to know is how everyone feels about the new Protel
> DXP. I really want to switch back to Protel and any info
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