Jami, I can't help myself when you start ranting like that! :0

It's easy to understand if you would just settle down and read it without
getting all emotional. 
They are giving US for free the needed SP3, but it's just delayed because
it's getting rolled into the thing called Protel 2004. To me, it seems like
a simply marketing renaming so the product sounds fresh. I think Protel2004
is the same DXP with a new name and more DLLs plugged into it. (And service
pack 3++ incorporated).

Leave the lawyers out of it. They are the cause of 1/2 the world's problems
anyway. The only thing lawyers will do is drain money from Altium, and we'll
be paying for it with more expensive products.

You think the reason you get banned might have something to do with how
harsh you come across on the forum? Maybe you're a great guy, but you act
like an a-hole sometimes.

They never said they weren't going to fix it. They said it won't be part of
DXP. What happened if DXP is now called P2004 and you get P2004 for free?
What's the difference what it's called as long as they keep fixing problems?


-----Original Message-----
From: JaMi Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:56 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Cc: JaMi Smith
Subject: Re: [PEDA] Exciting news for all users of Protel DXP and nVisage

What the #$%@ is going on now ? ? ?

Can anyone out there understand any of this, or is this just more Protel /
Altium Jabberwake.

On one hand it looks like they are trying to make a case for making a new
product out of something that they were supposed to give us as part of DXP
and nVisage to begin with, and on the other hand it seems that they are
going to end up trying to charge us money to even fix (oops, they will never
fix it - so I guess that the more correct word would be
finish) DXP SP3.5 (build 18550372).

Maybe I just need to get a good nights sleep before I try and read this
thing again.

On the other hand, maybe we just need to nuke Australia - well maybe not the
whole Country, but at least Protel / Altium.

I think it may once again be time to wake the sleeping giant of customer /
user opinion, but this time, unlike before when Altium supposedly abandoned
ATS (only to re-clothe it as so clearly shown below), maybe we need to do it
in a much more coordinated manner, that guarentees the outcome in writing.

And what the #$%@ is Protel 2004.

Could this possibly be Service Pack 7 ? ? ?

What is with these guys. Is there something about all of the blood pooling
in their brains as they stand upside down on the bottom of the world, or
what ? ? ?

Protel 99 SE is still incomplete, and needs some patches ! ! !

DXP / nVisage has been lost in la la land for months and months and months,
and still can't route a board to completion ! ! !

Does anyone else out there besides me think that it is about time that
Protel / Altium needs to come up with some real good answers.

Maybe it is just about time to call a lawyer or two, and get a good class
action lawsuit going here for SP7, SP8, SP9 and the Source Code for 99SE,
and not only a full refund for DXP, but also some very very large punitive
damages to cover the purchase of and retraining on some other EDA Software
as a real solution to our EDA problems and woes.

Needless to say, this is posted here, and not in the DXP Technical Forum, so
I don't get banned once again for speaking the truth and seeking honest
answers to honest questions.

Seriously, I am not just writing this to provoke an answer from Ian or Abd
or Tony, and in fact I beg you guys not to take this off topic and run it
all downhill into the gutter as has been done in the past.

We who are DXP Licensees have spent a very very long time waiting for Protel
/ Altium to fix the major problems in DXP, and have had no response to many
many questions regarding the status of DXP, only now to find out that they
have apparently not been busy trying to fix the problems with DXP, but
coming up with something new for which they will ask us for more money.

For those who did not get a copy, please read the original announcement

The one that really really really has me fuming is the statement "
Updates and enhancements that were under development as part of Service Pack
3 for nVisage and Protel will not be released for the DXP versions, but have
now been integrated into the nVisage 2004 and Protel 2004 releases.

Protel / Altium - I don't think that you really know what you are getting
yourself in for, and you might want to rethink your whole approach about
selling your customer base a non functional system, and then turning around
and saying that you are not going to fix it.

JaMi Smith

@ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @ @

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Loughhead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:36 PM
Subject: Exciting news for all users of Protel DXP and nVisage DXP

> Dear JaMi
> We would like to notify you about a recent Altium announcement and
take some time to explain the impact of this on the current DXP product
range, in particular Protel and nVisage.
> This week, Altium announced the release of a new Altium product called
Nexar (see http://www.altium.com/corp/media/mr_nexar.htm/). Nexar will
deliver a new approach to digital design, allowing you to implement a
processor-based digital system in an FPGA using board design methodologies.
It will include a mixed schematic/HDL design capture environment, IP cores,
embedded development tools, and a reconfigurable hardware development
platform called a NanoBoard. These features combine to create a highly
interactive design and debug environment, allowing the engineer to interact
directly with a design implemented in the FPGA.
For more information on Nexar, please go to http://www.altium.com/nexar/.
> More importantly for you, Nexar will pioneer a new approach to
electronics development - something that we are calling LiveDesign.
LiveDesign capabilities, which are incorporated into the DXP platform,
support real-time communication between the engineer and the design.
This will have broad implications for all Altium products - how they work,
and more importantly, how they work together to provide a complete,
integrated electronics design system. Significantly, the entire Altium
product line will move to the LiveDesign-enabled DXP platform, providing
access to the benefits of this new methodology for all Altium customers.
> Because of our belief that every engineer should have access to the
opportunities that this new technology offers, all current DXP version users
will receive the 2004 software update automatically, free of charge when it
is released Q1, 2004.
> Updates and enhancements that were under development as part of
Service Pack 3 for nVisage and Protel will not be released for the DXP
versions, but have now been integrated into the nVisage 2004 and Protel
2004 releases. Furthermore, nVisage 2004 will deliver a strengthened
environment for dedicated FPGA design. Protel 2004 will be enhanced with
FPGA pin optimisation capabilities, and include full forward and back
annotation of design changes between FPGA and PCB projects. It will also
include the previously announced Situs autorouter improvements.
> So to clarify..
> Everyone who holds a valid user license of Protel DXP and/or nVisage
DXP will receive their respective 2004 software update automatically,
free-of-charge. A NanoBoard can be purchased for an additional fee, pricing
will be announced nearer to release.
> All customers who hold Protel DXP and/or nVisage DXP licenses AND have
a valid pre-paid upgrade subscription will receive the 2004 software updates
as well as the NanoBoard.
> Anyone who purchases a license of Protel DXP and/or nVisage DXP
between November 1, 2003 and December 31st 2003 will also receive the
software update and the NanoBoard.
> More information on Altium's 2004 product line-up will be available
soon on the Altium website (http://www.altium.com). You will also soon be
receiving a copy of EDANEWS which will provide further details on these
> Best regards,
> Phil Loughhead
> Product Manager, Protel / nVisage
> Altium Limited
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