Oh, agreed - I just wanted to make sure everyone understands it's still going to hurt the wallet a little.
-- Pat On 09/06/2010, at 1:19 PM, Luke Chadwick wrote: > Which is still a lot better than that amount plus > airfares/taxes/gambling in Vegas. > > I do feel that if we're going to do this we should go all out, but that's > jumping ahead, we're talking abstract 'do you want it' at this point. > > On 9 June 2010 13:07, Pat Allan <[email protected]> wrote: >> First two points are good ones. With regards to pricing, it's worth noting >> that a high-end conference (which is what I think this should be) will cost >> $700 or more, so factoring in travel and hotels for everyone not in the host >> city, it's still an outlay of $1k+ for most. >> >> On 09/06/2010, at 12:22 PM, Luke Chadwick wrote: >> >>> - Because there are plenty of people that can't justify the ~5k >>> minimum required to think about going to one overseas. >>> - Because It is important to provide people access to (some) the best >>> Rubyists in the world. >>> - Because there is no good reason why we shouldn't have one. >>> >>> On 9 June 2010 12:08, Pat Allan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> You didn't answer my question, though ;) >>>> >>>> Why do we need a conference? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> On 09/06/2010, at 11:47 AM, Luke Chadwick wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Pat, Ben, >>>>> Thanks for your input. I'm at least abstractly aware of what I'm >>>>> signing up for, and have had a hand in organizing large 1000+ people >>>>> church events before. >>>>> >>>>> I do feel that we should have a mix of both respected International >>>>> Speakers and Local Speakers, and that it should be an event not to be >>>>> missed. >>>>> >>>>> After I get this expression of interest, I will move forward with >>>>> organizing a team of people, and more importantly getting a feel for >>>>> exactly who/what/when/howmuch people are interested in. >>>>> >>>>> This is more just a 'Do you want me to bother starting to organize >>>>> that level of event' >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Luke >>>>> >>>>> On 9 June 2010 11:28, Pat Allan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> As Ben's pointed out, this isn't the first time the topic has been >>>>>> raised... I'm often quite vocal about it, so apologies to those who've >>>>>> heard me go on about this before, but here's a few things to consider: >>>>>> >>>>>> * Putting on a Rails Camp is a lot of work. Putting on a conference is a >>>>>> level beyond that. Who is going to pay for your time? I definitely think >>>>>> whoever runs the conference (and don't try and do it yourself - you need >>>>>> a small team!) should be paid at least something for putting it >>>>>> together, but conferences are also most certainly not money-making >>>>>> ventures. >>>>>> >>>>>> * Speaking of Rails Camps - we have two of these each year. Granted, >>>>>> they're a little different, and not everyone's cup of tea, but I think >>>>>> it's still worth asking: why do we need a conference? I'm not saying we >>>>>> definitely don't need one, but just want to get the thinking laid out. >>>>>> >>>>>> * Many regional conferences are quite informal affairs - something I >>>>>> feel Rails Camps cover quite neatly. So, if a conference was to happen, >>>>>> I think it should be a grand and special event - more like a FutureRuby >>>>>> or NordicRuby than a RailsConf. Great food, catered parties, quality >>>>>> speakers. Especially if we want to attract overseas speakers and >>>>>> attendees. This is not the cheap path, though. >>>>>> >>>>>> For what it's worth, I've gotten to several conferences over the last >>>>>> few years, and FutureRuby was far and away the best one. Happy to expand >>>>>> further on why if anyone's truly interested. >>>>>> >>>>>> * There are a lot of Ruby and Rails conferences around the world >>>>>> already. Europe had four in May! Yes, we are pretty remote, so most of >>>>>> us don't get to these conferences often (or at all), but the same will >>>>>> apply for those outside of Australia who we'd like to have come along to >>>>>> our conference. >>>>>> >>>>>> * The previous point is important because a good part of the Australian >>>>>> Ruby community see each other regularly as it is, via monthly meets and >>>>>> Rails Camps. We've got a pretty amazing community here, and I want to >>>>>> share that with the world - but it's not going to be easy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't want to put an end to these discussions, because I think there's >>>>>> great potential for an amazing event, and I'd love to help out, but I'm >>>>>> also wary that with regular Rails Camps, we've got community events >>>>>> kinda covered already, and want to make sure there's a need. And, should >>>>>> this happen, I just think the target from the start should be to run >>>>>> something a cut above normal. Hell, a cut above great. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Pat >>>>>> e: [email protected] || m: +614 1327 3337 >>>>>> w: http://freelancing-gods.com || t: twitter.com/pat >>>>>> bounce: http://trampolineday.com || skype: patallan >>>>>> >>>>>> On 09/06/2010, at 10:48 AM, Luke Chadwick wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Everyone, >>>>>>> I discovered, in a discussion last night at the Sydney Meetup, >>>>>>> that there has never been a Ruby/Rails Conference in Australia. I find >>>>>>> this to be sad, and want to rectify the situation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am happy to take a hand in starting to organize an event if there is >>>>>>> interest in actually seeing it happen. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To get the ball rolling, can I get a show of hands who would attend a >>>>>>> RubyConf in Sydney? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Luke >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. 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