I would sooner part with $1k to experience a conference in Australia than $5k to go to an international one. The next time I'd be forking out that much again would be when I move off this island. But what's that saying? "A fool and his money are easily parted"?
On 9 June 2010 13:27, Pat Allan <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh, agreed - I just wanted to make sure everyone understands it's still > going to hurt the wallet a little. > > -- > Pat > > On 09/06/2010, at 1:19 PM, Luke Chadwick wrote: > > > Which is still a lot better than that amount plus > > airfares/taxes/gambling in Vegas. > > > > I do feel that if we're going to do this we should go all out, but that's > > jumping ahead, we're talking abstract 'do you want it' at this point. > > > > On 9 June 2010 13:07, Pat Allan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> First two points are good ones. With regards to pricing, it's worth > noting that a high-end conference (which is what I think this should be) > will cost $700 or more, so factoring in travel and hotels for everyone not > in the host city, it's still an outlay of $1k+ for most. > >> > >> On 09/06/2010, at 12:22 PM, Luke Chadwick wrote: > >> > >>> - Because there are plenty of people that can't justify the ~5k > >>> minimum required to think about going to one overseas. > >>> - Because It is important to provide people access to (some) the best > >>> Rubyists in the world. > >>> - Because there is no good reason why we shouldn't have one. > >>> > >>> On 9 June 2010 12:08, Pat Allan <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> You didn't answer my question, though ;) > >>>> > >>>> Why do we need a conference? > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Pat > >>>> > >>>> On 09/06/2010, at 11:47 AM, Luke Chadwick wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Hey Pat, Ben, > >>>>> Thanks for your input. I'm at least abstractly aware of what I'm > >>>>> signing up for, and have had a hand in organizing large 1000+ people > >>>>> church events before. > >>>>> > >>>>> I do feel that we should have a mix of both respected International > >>>>> Speakers and Local Speakers, and that it should be an event not to be > >>>>> missed. > >>>>> > >>>>> After I get this expression of interest, I will move forward with > >>>>> organizing a team of people, and more importantly getting a feel for > >>>>> exactly who/what/when/howmuch people are interested in. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is more just a 'Do you want me to bother starting to organize > >>>>> that level of event' > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Luke > >>>>> > >>>>> On 9 June 2010 11:28, Pat Allan <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> As Ben's pointed out, this isn't the first time the topic has been > raised... I'm often quite vocal about it, so apologies to those who've heard > me go on about this before, but here's a few things to consider: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> * Putting on a Rails Camp is a lot of work. Putting on a conference > is a level beyond that. Who is going to pay for your time? I definitely > think whoever runs the conference (and don't try and do it yourself - you > need a small team!) should be paid at least something for putting it > together, but conferences are also most certainly not money-making ventures. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> * Speaking of Rails Camps - we have two of these each year. Granted, > they're a little different, and not everyone's cup of tea, but I think it's > still worth asking: why do we need a conference? I'm not saying we > definitely don't need one, but just want to get the thinking laid out. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> * Many regional conferences are quite informal affairs - something I > feel Rails Camps cover quite neatly. So, if a conference was to happen, I > think it should be a grand and special event - more like a FutureRuby or > NordicRuby than a RailsConf. Great food, catered parties, quality speakers. > Especially if we want to attract overseas speakers and attendees. This is > not the cheap path, though. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> For what it's worth, I've gotten to several conferences over the > last few years, and FutureRuby was far and away the best one. Happy to > expand further on why if anyone's truly interested. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> * There are a lot of Ruby and Rails conferences around the world > already. Europe had four in May! Yes, we are pretty remote, so most of us > don't get to these conferences often (or at all), but the same will apply > for those outside of Australia who we'd like to have come along to our > conference. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> * The previous point is important because a good part of the > Australian Ruby community see each other regularly as it is, via monthly > meets and Rails Camps. We've got a pretty amazing community here, and I want > to share that with the world - but it's not going to be easy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I don't want to put an end to these discussions, because I think > there's great potential for an amazing event, and I'd love to help out, but > I'm also wary that with regular Rails Camps, we've got community events > kinda covered already, and want to make sure there's a need. And, should > this happen, I just think the target from the start should be to run > something a cut above normal. Hell, a cut above great. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Pat > >>>>>> e: [email protected] || m: +614 1327 3337 > >>>>>> w: http://freelancing-gods.com || t: twitter.com/pat > >>>>>> bounce: http://trampolineday.com || skype: patallan > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 09/06/2010, at 10:48 AM, Luke Chadwick wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hey Everyone, > >>>>>>> I discovered, in a discussion last night at the Sydney Meetup, > >>>>>>> that there has never been a Ruby/Rails Conference in Australia. I > find > >>>>>>> this to be sad, and want to rectify the situation. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I am happy to take a hand in starting to organize an event if there > is > >>>>>>> interest in actually seeing it happen. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To get the ball rolling, can I get a show of hands who would attend > a > >>>>>>> RubyConf in Sydney? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Luke > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > [email protected]. > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<rails-oceania%[email protected]> > . > >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > . > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<rails-oceania%[email protected]> > . > >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<rails-oceania%[email protected]> > . > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<rails-oceania%[email protected]> > . > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<rails-oceania%[email protected]> > . > >>> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<rails-oceania%[email protected]> > . > >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > >> > >> > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<rails-oceania%[email protected]> > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<rails-oceania%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rails-oceania?hl=en. > > -- Ryan Bigg / Radar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby or Rails Oceania" group. 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