It appears each of us is going out on a limb and getting pretty shaky on
our rational.
There is a difference between "hitting a kid" and a "spanking" one is done
in love the other is outrageous. We are talking about "spanking"
here. It is done in love.
I can remember a boy coming back from pow wow. We stopped at the rest
stop and everyone was told several times to use the bathroom. One boy
about 20 miles from church came up to me and said he had to go right
now. I explained to him we were already behind and running late and
church was 25 minutes away and he would have to hold it. He came back to
me several times with tears running down his face. I put a portapodi on
the bus after that but it was never used.
We have 14 leaders on Wed. nights so each outpost has
adequate help. The bathroom issue isn't a issue for us. Some
outposts don't have the required help. In those cases a outpost podie
break is recommended.
What ever decision you make in Rangers. It needs to line up
with the "Greatest Commandment" Love. The best decision is one
made with Love one another if that means foot washing and bathroom breaks
then make it so.
Praise God I haven't had to spank a boy yet. In the 11 years I have
been doing Rangers I have had some very touchy moments that required
very one of a kind decisions and teachable movements. I have banned boys
from outings. I have had to get in a boy or two's face and tell
him if he didn't quit threaten my boys that I was going to work
him over. I meant it and they knew it. Either way it
came with obedience and respect. This was after tons and tons of teachable
movements and kind loving thoughtful one on one counseling. Seldom but not
never a Loving I will work you over if you don't stand up straight and fly right
is all that you have left.
If we didn't care about them. Then anything would be fine. I do care
and anything isn't fine. Balance and good judgement and wise council will
keep you effective in your royal ranger ministry. I know you have all of
the above. Thanks for posting.
God Bless you Commander
Mark Jones
On Tue, 02 Oct 2001 16:47:01 +1000 Victor Zalakos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
At 11:35 PM 1/10/2001 -0700, Bob Simons wrote:
It might be wet shoes this time and no life preserver the next. I had 2 boys think that life preservers weren't necessary and cumbersome. I made them get out and walk halfway around the lake to get back to camp. They were mad at me but I don't want dead bodies on my outings.
I thought the issue was whether it was acceptable to hit someone elses child. This doesn't even come close to addressing the main issue. Of course - every responsible leader makes sure kids wear life jackets on the water. It's part of the rules - wear it or you don't participate.
But again - the issue is whether is is acceptable to smack/hit/beat someone's child.
I had an incident in Rangers where a boy wet himself because he wasn't allowed to leave the room and he didn't go at the beginning when everyone else did. The Dad was irate at the incident but my question was to him "Why weren't you in there helping the commander so that someone could have stayed in the room with the rest of the boys." He said he was busy...too busy to be there when his son needed him..I guess.
Again - this isn't the issue - but this is OUTRAGEOUS.
How dare anyone make a child wet their pants.
If this were a leader of mine - they would be removed from leadership.
I would tell the pastor and I would make sure they NEVER served with children again. Ever.
What kind of an outfit do you run?????
What kind of a church do you attend?
My goodness - Lord have mercy on them.
Mark Jones, Ozark MO, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Download a Free Royal Ranger Database visit my website at: http://home1.gte.net/mjones02/index.html
