--- Jonathan Trower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 10:18 AM 2/13/2002 -0800, Doc wrote: > > > > Where do you start? > >--------------------- > > > >*I'd start by makeing it clear that the Outpost is going to > >hold it's meetings off the Church sight in the Community. > > Why? What do you accomplish by "hiding" the fact that Royal Rangers is a
> church-based, church-sponsored, Christ-centered ministry to boys? I'm not 'dodgeing/HIDEING!. I'm promoteing success, and it's Hypothetical<G> put on yur "outside of the box" thinking hat! Royal Rangers is going to do what it wants anyway<G> *I'm kick'n the can down the alley.. My thinking is that a great Outpost needs to have it's Leadership re-freshed and re-placed as it grows, *If one church is good for 30 years of Commanders then by all means, do it in-house. But with a Communuity based Outpost you may bring several churches togather for the one purpose called "Royal Rangers". At OP207 we had Commander from 4 churches.. Not every RR backer is AoG anymore.. RR has a LARGER foot print. We would still be in 'business if the AG Church had'nt let a Childrens Pastor run up our backs. (*In Love..<G>) I regret the day he was hired.. Sr.Pastor handed it all over to him without our consultation, and fresh out of College he started to shut us down. One excellent RR Outpost.. bit the dirt. Even > many > Boy Scout troops meet in their host church's building. The Church building is fine if it comes with few strings attached<G> Honestly, it isn't needed. A hall, gym, big room is enough. It can even rotate locations <G> *Yup.. Troop328 meets at Walnut Grove Church and Walnut Grove School, but has 12 different church's members as leaders. It's Charter is held by Columbia machine.. (*Scoutmasters Co.) and the result is very little influence or *Funding from any single source outside the "parent committe". This is very wholesome. IMHO Funding = *control.. and a well run OutPost does not need micro-management outside of it's membership. *Control needs to be in the hands of the parents who "employ" the Scoutmaster. This is a vital > part > of the Royal Rangers program/ministry, and I would strongly discourage a > movement to take Royal Rangers out of the church setting. *I disagree, but that's me<G> I think there's lots of potential for growth if RR embraces the direction that AG Men's fellowship went to become "Honor Bound men of Promise" *To me that makes sence.. This is not to > > say that you shouldn't reach out to the community. I'm a strong advocate > of > reaching into your community and using Royal Rangers as one of the hooks > to > bring folks into the church (the other ministries -- Missionettes, > Youth, > Children's Church, Sunday School, etc. -- serving as some of the other > hooks). *This "hook" theology has some barbs.. If you have been a churchman long enough, you know that their is competiton between 'ministries and *I'm just a Royal Ranger<G> But don't try to hide the fact that Royal Rangers is based in > and sponsored by your church. There you go- "HIDE?" I think you want me to Promote the CHURCH at the exspence of a successful group of boys who come togather to be Royal Rangers.. > > > >Let the YOUTH go to both RR and Uth church.. > > Agreed. Find some way for boys to be in both (and for girls to be in > both > Youth and Missionettes). *Right- Off sight, and another night and PUSH involvement in the Uth! T328 meets Monday night.. many church groups meet Tues. Wed. night.. *I also added.. LET RANGER KIDS be there for the "baby sitting aspect" in the church. > > > >I'd ask permission and seek the blessing of the Church board > >to also contact BSA and charter as a "Church based youth orginization" > >under the Venture scout program, so as to be welcome to use > >their camps and facilities in the region. I'd be honest to the > >BSA as to what my agenda was, and agree to what they suggest > >practical to meet both programs policies. > > I've known Royal Rangers groups who have done this, and for some > settings > it works. But you really need to decide what you want to be -- Royal > Rangers or BSA. The two groups are different, period. You can't do both > effectively. Access to the BSA facilities and training are valuable, I > agree. But be careful about any compromise you may have to make in the > Royal Rangers program to also try to be BSA. *Agreed- so...true! I happen to know however this can work. there is much intrest on the BSA side to build on the core of faith that church involvement brings to BSA. > > > ><snip> > > > > >*Then we would meet at a Outdoor campfire as a group, and sing > >some silly songs and lead into some reflective songs ect. > > How about some Christian praise and worship songs? Well HECK YA! *But Commander Johnnie used to sing nonsence songs, we sang "when the donkeys hungry" *What happened to permission to sing ALL the songs in the Royal Ranger song book? > > > >Then a *BRIEF GENERIC DEVOTION *closed by a Group cheer! > > What? Why a "brief generic devotion?" What about closing in prayer. We > are > Royal Rangers . . . not BSA. We should have nothing to be ashamed about > when presenting the gospel. After all, our mission statement is to > "Reach, > Teach, and Keep boy for Christ." And if this is the first meeting boys > come > to, it may be the only one. . . shouldn't we take the opportunity to > present the plan of salvation to them? I don't mean push it down their > throats, but boys and parents should know what Royal Rangers are and > what > we stand for. A "generic devotion" followed by a group cheer doesn't do > that. Gee Jonathan.. I guess you are right. I'm going to sit down on the grass and let you be "Sr.Commander" I'm tired.. With 24 hour Christian TV and churches on every corner, we just need to preach Jesus to boys. They probley have never heard the "Gospel" and we need to be sure they know that they are not at some "secular BSA" group. > > > What items do you buy? > > > >$10,000 seems too much funding.. > > Take the money and run! <G> You will eventually need it. Nope- don't need it. Royal Ranger is best when it's SELF-Funded and self-per-pet-u-ating! > > > >Humm.. *Now I'd buy some OP numbers, > >Patrol boxes and camp cooking stuff.. but zero tents! > > > >This is just me, but I'd hand the GPH catalog to the parent and > >tell then I'm not in the dry goods business<G> > > > >T-shirt is fine with me to start. > > The uniform has great value, and should be encouraged. I'm surprised at > this one . . . what would a BSA troop be without their uniforms? *Because the original qustion is reguarding starting a RR outpost! RR Boys don't need a uniform to be taught about Jesus. *I thought a uniform could be decided by the local Outpost pending it's involvement in Dist. events..? I don't > > necessarily advocate providing the entire uniform to every boy, even if > you > can afford it, but I personally think it's nice when the outpost > encourages > uniforms and helps facilitate them, especially for boys who truly can't > afford one. > > Jonathan *Thanks Cdr.Jonathan.. *Good chat<G> Doc > > > >Doc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Jonathan Trower > South Central Region Training Coordinator > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > phone: 254-420-1941 > RR homepage: http://mis.baylor.edu/trower > > _______ > Let the Golden Rule be your daily rule. > > Please pray for your list sponsor: http://eBible.org/mpj/ > > To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm > http://rangernet.org ===== *High MORALE is the Index of effective Leadership. --------------********+********-------------------- Morale raises belief of the Leader in the follower, of the follower in the Leader, of each in themself, and both in the .....cause! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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