First of all, I sure wish that if someone is going to post to RangerNet, especially with this tone, that you would be kind enough to identify yourself to everyone. Your use of "iwannabe infcf" and "o2binfcf" (when you are actually a district FCF officer) has bothered me for some time, but I refrained from saying anything until now. Please sign your next post so everyone can know who you are.
At 04:02 PM 2/13/2002 -0600, iwannabe infcf wrote: >Well, Ken it is good to hear that you don't send your son to public >school. If and when I can afford to do the same, I will again. > >All this talk against taking Rangers out of the church and into the >streets is about as far away from evangelical as you can get. It is also >contrary to the modus operandi that Christ taught and exemplified, and I'm >disappointed in those who are expressing these views, especially from >someone who has been so involved in Urban Rangers and NULCs, what do you >think sidewalk sunday school is? Read my reply. Did I not say I support reaching out into the community? In fact, I said: "This is not to say that you shouldn't reach out to the community. I'm a strong advocate of reaching into your community and using Royal Rangers as one of the hooks to bring folks into the church (the other ministries -- Missionettes, Youth, Children's Church, Sunday School, etc. -- serving as some of the other hooks)." As you pointed out, I have been involved in Urban Rangers -- that was the community-wide outreach I referred to in my previous message. We went into one of the roughest housing projects in Waco, and were there for about 5 years. We had times when we showed up and there was still blood on the sidewalk from the night before. There were shots fired one morning during our service. That's the type of neighborhood we were in. So I know what it is to take the Gospel to the children. But I also pointed out in my message that taking the program into the community WITHOUT CHURCH OVERSIGHT is where you will run into problems. I'm a firm believer that Royal Rangers as a ministry must fall under the oversight of the local church and the spiritual leadership of the pastor and board. Since you bring it up, yes, I was also involved on the staff of three different NULCs (National Urban Leadership Conference) -- two in Dallas and one in Houston. I've also had multiple classes scheduled at the regional conferences that I've planned on reaching outside the walls of the local church. I am a firm believer in reaching outside the walls of the church. Luke 14:23 says "And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled." So we are to go out where the boys are, but what are we to do when we find them? This verse says "compel them to come in" to his house. Isn't that the church? > (Forward THAT ONE to my distict commander, Dr. "You Know Who") I'll see your (and my) district commander this weekend. We can have this discussion in person if you would like. As to my educational level, that has no bearing on this discussion, so why bring it up, especially in the tone you used? > The original intent of Rangers was to keep 15-17 year old boys from > leaving church. Since then, a major breakdown of the family has occured, > and Rangers was there to meet the need that the broken family unit was > unable to. >IF Royal Rangers had stuck with it's single, original intent; and not >adapted to meet the changing needs of society, then it would NOT be the >numero uno soul-winning ministry that it is today. >Trying to reverse engineer Royal Rangers right out of the church and back >into the world? Not sure I agree with the terminology or the science, but >I hope it works, because that's exactly what society needs! Not if that means watering down the Gospel message as part of taking the program back into the world! When there is a proposal to sing some silly songs and have a generic devotion followed by a group yell, that's exactly what it sounded like to me . . . watering down the program and making it just like BSA. That's not the type of reverse engineering that's needed in the Christian world today. Jonathan >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ken Komoto >Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 3:31 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: [RR] Hypothetical question!! > >Duane, the direction you wish to go frightens me. > >You want to go out of the church and into the community and involve >everyone you can. > >That's well and good, but you are inviting a whole bunch of adults >to become part of a program who may or may not be Christian and who >may not ever entertain any desire to become one. Yes, the potential >to minister to them is there. In the interim, I don't want them >involved with my son teaching them their values when I don't have >any idea what they may be. > >Is this the intent of Royal Rangers? The original intent was to >create a Christian organization that ministered to boys. You are >attempting to reverse engineer Royal Rangers right out of the >church and back into the world. > >I can understand adding some of the BSA stuff to Rangers. It makes >sense and it's good stuff. But once again, you are trying to transform >Royal Rangers into an extension of Boy Scouts and once again, >I just don't get it. > >============================================================ >Kenneth Komoto mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Pioneer Commander Outpost 193 Phone: (530)752-7197 >Southpointe Christian Center Fax : (530)752-0329 >Sacramento, Ca 95828 > > > >---------- >Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com __________________________________ Jonathan Trower South Central Region Training Coordinator e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 254-420-1941 RR homepage: http://mis.baylor.edu/trower _______ Let the Golden Rule be your daily rule. Please pray for your list sponsor: http://eBible.org/mpj/ To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe rangernet" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://rangernet.org/subscribe.htm http://rangernet.org
