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Bob,
How this works in our church is like a
dictatorship. What ever th pastor wants he gets & most people are too
chinken (no backbone) to stand up & speak up against anything they disagree
on (including the board & deacons) . They are afraid of getting
lectured from the pulpit. Over the 23 years I have attended my church I
have seen a lot leave over the years. If everyone was still here we would
have at least twice+ the amount of people we have now.
I still
believe in a Democracy & in the USA it still works. You saw Communism
fall in Russia. According to History dictatorships do not work at least I
didn't think so until we got into this discussion about
Springfield.
Later,
Commander Marvin
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 9:33
PM
Subject: Re: [RR] New program
question?
Jose,
Having a Democratic vote for any issue in Rangers
is not going to keep people from complaining about the changes. Especially if
we look at how people react to real life voting. They still
complain.
It is a wonderful thought. Let me ask you about
the government set up of your local church. Does every member or attendee vote
on all issues regarding church policies? Usually it is the board or deacons
who do the voting and the congregation can either live with it or
leave.
No flames intended. Just some food for
thought.
God Bless,
Bob Triphahn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002
10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [RR] New program
question?
Then perhaps things need to change. Perhaps the Royal
Ranger program needs
to be more Democratic than what we have now.
This program is not the US
Congress or Senate. STOP WITH ALL THE
POLITICS! This is suppose to be a
Christian ministry after
all. A democratic vote would put to rest all of
these controveries
that have been popping up in RangerNet like the new
program and the issue
of women and girls in the Royal Ranger program. If
all of these
changes are done democratically as Marvelous suggested then no
one
would/should complain because the "majority" has spoken. The
nation
would know that the MAJORIY of rangers agree or disagree on the
subject at
hand instead of what we have now. I think sending
ballots using the
leadership structure (National => Regional =>
District => Sectional => Area
=> Outpost) would be a great
idea.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Big Bear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent:
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [RR] New program
question?
>
> --- Marvelous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > To all Ranger-Net Commanders,
> > I
have an idea that I want to run across you all & get all of your
>
> civil (nice) reponses as to why it wasn't tried before this new
program
> > was instituted.
>
> *Here's
mine..
>
> The format or content of a National Program called
Royal Rangers
> was never intended to be Democratic. While a
body meets yearly to
> represent regional intrests (the NRRC), it's
obvious that
> the former Gold Track was the outcome of that "Team"
effort and the
> new program a reaction to challanges placed from
outside the NRRC.
>
> While in the past, individuals influenced
and were granted a hand
> in developing program content, the final
decision to alter the program
> was the duty of the NRRC, National
Staff reporting to: Rev.Thomas Trask.
>
> Seeking input was done
by representation, without feeling the need to
> fully take a
Democratic vote of all participants. That said, there was
> great
effort to explain the need for change and to win your
support.
>
> *I'm sure you may remembered an attempt to share
the program development
> with the regional roll outs by members of
the National Staff with the
> "evolveing Powerpoint"
presentation.
>
> It's true that what resulted is a compromise
position, to answer many
> concerned "Outside" individuals over
Traditional Royal Rangers leadership,
> and that might be seen as a
turn away from Democratic RR values.
>
> Therefore No "formal"
vote is needed.
>
> Your participation is desired, but if you
find a hitch in your get-a-long
> you are free to vote with your
feet.
>
> Hay-All Flavors,cheap!
>
-=A=-
>
> This might work for future ideas that anyone
in
> > Springfield comes up with that will affect all of USA Royal
Rangers or
> > nationally. Here it is:
>
> When they (whomever -pastor's comittee, national office,
etc.) came up
> > with the idea for the new Ranger program.
National Office should have
> > presented voting ballots to each
District Commander for voting for or
> > against it the new
ideas. Then each District Commander could have sent
> > out
the ballots to each sectional Commander. Then the Sectional
>
> Commander could have sent them out to each Senior Commander in
His
> > section. Then each Senior Commander could have handed
the ballots out
> > to all of their Commanders in their outpost
& they could vote. Then all
> > the votes could have been sent
back up the chain as they came down or
> > straight to their
District Commander who would then send them into the
> > national
office. The national office could then tally the votes & go
by
> > what the majority of the Commanders say. This way
every Commander could
> > have their say by vote & we would all
feel better as to how it was
> > handled. We then could say
we all voted & this was the results. This
> > idea might
even work with the discussion of adding girls in Rangers.
>
> Jonathan I even want to hear from you.
>
> Later,
> > Commander Marvin
>
> Outpost 130
>
>
>
>
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