Just back from exploreing a big cave in the
Nat'l forest by Mt.Adams with 65 scouts and Scouters..
Thanks for your report Jonathan, I had to stop and think it thru<G>
This weekend, I was 75ft down a hole in a cave mile's long accessed
by a 3Ft square hole in the celing. Into the hole was a old ladder
that bridged the sunlight to the darkness of the deep cave. the foot
of the ladder was on a debri pile about 12' down.. and a rock scramble
led to the floor 60' further..
The material that fell from the roof littered the floor of the great
cave and had built the mound that gave us access as well as marked
the entrence of the great cave.
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There are 40 years of Rangers littering the floor of our
"Lifetime adventure" who have died because of "Ladder climbing
mishaps". Included is Men and Women and sons, and daughters!
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Legend has it that it's discovery was the result of a Horseman
rideing onto a fractured spot and falling into a great hole to
his death! *True or *False, that's the "Legend"<G> and it looks
quite plausible..
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When we can lable the discussion of issues like
the evolveing role of women in Royal Rangers as only a "Rangernet"
topic, that seems a "Legend"
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It was pitch black in the cave formed by a river of lava in
the formation of a 14'000 ft Mountian close by... I stood on
the floor and looked up and the sunlight flowing in as a bright
beam thru the dust...
The deeper I went.. the smaller that hole became untill it
was gone- *Was I in the dark?
*Nope- I carried two Flashlights and spare batteries with reserve
power in excess of my estimited time below ground. In addition I had
friends also packing lights and we had the motivation to explore!
(This little light of mine.. I'm gonna let it shine!)
Underground the air was cool, and Adventure came from not knowing
what was around the bend, and *Comfort came from being there togather
with Scouts joined in the cause of exploration<G>
(*High MORALE is the index of effective leadership-
Morale, is based on the Leader and the Folower joined togather in the
*cause)
While we walked in the dark,
the political trifles of the troop.. where we freted about *program
and *content and *format was offset by Adventure..
----++++*+++----
*The real reason Ranger politics is so brutal..Is because the stakes
are so low<G> Suggestion- *Raise the stakes!
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When I returned to the ladder, we climed to the surface and
were excited by the adventure, and knew there was even more
caves to explore next time..
*The Ladder we used was not there to control access, but to
gain us ADVENTURE! It was more than a ladder, it was a bridge
as well...
I find it interesting, that we are to teach American ideals and
start each meeting with a "pledge of Aliegence to the flag- with
Liberty and justice for all" ...and then discover regress to Top
Down leadership.
-=A=-
--- Jonathan Trower <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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At 11:25 PM 9/27/2002 -0400, Jose Rodriguez wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>Dear
Commander Holland,</font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2> To responed to your e-mail I
decided to use part of an e-mail I sent to Bob Triphahn since my response
to his e-mail would respond to your comment regarding bombaring the
National office our votes before anything got decided or acted
upon:</font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>
</font><font face="arial" size=2 color="#FF0000"><i> I our church we have
business meetings in which we the congragation vote on certain
issues. Yes we do have a church board and they will vote on issues
were not allowed to vote on BUT on really big issues that affect the
congragation we do vote. So I'm not saying that EVERY LITTLE THING
would be voted on, but for BIG ISSUES like the new program or women in
the Royal Rangers that would be something that would be voted on by every
chartered outpost in the nation.</i></font></blockquote><br>
How would you define the "big issues?" To some, the new program
or women in Rangers are the big issues, but to others it is a big issue
that they are being asked to remove the service stars from their sleeves,
and women in Rangers is a non-issue to them.<br><br>
Years ago the floor of national council got bogged down with endless
debates and votes over "big" issues on the uniform, so the
executive committee finally was charged with making all decisions about
the uniform. Uniform issues do not even come up for a vote at national
council anymore, because of the difficulties of having 300 or so Royal
Rangers leaders discuss and vote on the issues. Imagine what it would be
like when "really big" issues come up for a vote with every RR
leader voting! Especially if we can't all agree on what the "big
issues" are.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2
color="#FF0000"><i> <br>
As for complaining, yes there might be a few people that would complain
but not like we've been complaining here in RangerNet. We would not
be criticizing the national office or thinking of "what if Cmdr
Barnes was still alive" because we were the ones who voted and made
the decision not them. The majority rules, the people have spoken,
that type of thing. Once again the votes would be done for BIG
ISSUES, issues and decisions that affect the Royal Rangers throughout
this entire nation.</i></font></blockquote><br>
It's interesting, but I don't hear complaining about women in Rangers or
about the new program any place but RangerNet. Sure, I hear a question
now and then, but nothing like the "discussions" that are held
on RangerNet about these topics. As for not complaining after the vote is
over, see my comments below.<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>So as you
just read the National office would not be "bombarded with
votes." The nationwide voting would only be for BIG
ISSUES. For example when the National office decided that the
ENTIRE Royal Ranger program had to be changed that would have been an
issue that should have had a nationwide vote like the one Marvin was
suggesting. </font></blockquote><br>
You fail to recognize the fact that it was not just the national Royal
Rangers office that decided that Royal Rangers needed to be changed. This
decision was made much higher in the hierarchy than the national RR
office. Brothers Trask and Crabtree called for this change, in response
to what they had heard from the field.<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>The
National office would still function the what it does now, the only
difference would be that our outpost would be able to vote on the really
big issues. </font></blockquote><br>
They would be paralyzed waiting for the vote to be finished. Have you
thought about the mechanics of trying to do a nation-wide vote?
Commanders would procrastinate until past the deadline, and then insist
that they be given more time to vote. If you think I exaggerate, ask any
staff member who has tried to have a pre-registration deadline for a
Rangers event!<br><br>
And when it comes down to it, the Assemblies of God does have the
nation-wide vote on "big issues" that you are calling for.
Anyone who qualifies can vote. The next such vote comes next August in
Washington, D.C. at the next General Council. If you are an ordained
minister with the Assemblies of God, you may go to General Council, speak
your mind and vote. If you really care about women in Rangers, or the new
program, go to General Council and speak up.<br><br>
But you know, it's interesting. When there is a close vote, folks don't
forget about it and simply go home. Last General Council a certain vote
was taken about the qualifications for a minister in the A/G. The
resolution narrowly passed. That resolution is still being debated today,
and there are folks who would love for another opportunity to vote to
overthrow that vote. The half that lost have not given up.<br><br>
In this country, we had an election two years ago. George Bush won the
presidency in that election. To this day, there are folks who belive that
he didn't win, didn't deserve to win, never should have won, etc. The
half that lost have not given up.<br><br>
Allowing people to vote does not mean that everyone will accept the
results, especially when the election goes against what you wanted.
People don't forget and move on. <br><br>
Jonathan<br>
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