Dear Commander Holland,
I can the point you're trying to make regarding why democracy is not
good for the US. If the majority isn't lined up with God then democracy
would be a serious mistake. HOWEVER, I am talking about democracy in the
ROYAL RANGERS not the US. We are an Assemblies of God program and so every
outpost that would vote would be Christian. The majority here would be
lined up with God so there would be no problem. Well I hope I've clarified
the issue here.
----- Original Message -----
From: "D.J. Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [RR] New program question?
> This is not intended to flame anybody, but I am expecting flames in
return.
>
> A vote for everybody, let the majority rule? What happens if the majority
> are not lined up with God? If Lot had listened to the majority, he would
> have turned the messengers from God over to the men of the city. If Noah
> had listened to the majority, he might never have built the ark. If Lot
had
> listened to the majority, he would have missed out on the tenfold
blessings
> from God. If David had listened to the majority, Absalom would have
> overtaken the kingdom and Solomon would have never been king. The list
goes
> on and on and on. I'm not saying we in the field should be without say
and
> voice in the workings of the ministry. What I am saying is that God has
> appointed leaders over us. In obedience to God, we submit to His
> leadership. Not everybody agrees with that. That is not my issue, that
is
> between you and God.
>
> History is filled with examples of allowing the majority to rule and the
> majority being wrong. Is that where we are to go?
>
> I guess "mob rules" is better than "male domination leadership"?
>
> I honestly don't remember the scripture chapter or verse that says to
"vote
> on whatthe God appointed leadership envisions and decide if it's what you
> want to do and if not change the plan." Could someone please refresh my
> memory on that one?
>
> Sorry, couldn't resist those last couple of paragraphs. I NEED SLEEP!! I
> got none last night.
>
> Goodnight,
>
> DJ
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jose Rodriguez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [RR] New program question?
>
>
> > Then perhaps things need to change. Perhaps the Royal Ranger program
> needs
> > to be more Democratic than what we have now. This program is not the US
> > Congress or Senate. STOP WITH ALL THE POLITICS! This is suppose to be
a
> > Christian ministry after all. A democratic vote would put to rest all
of
> > these controveries that have been popping up in RangerNet like the new
> > program and the issue of women and girls in the Royal Ranger program.
If
> > all of these changes are done democratically as Marvelous suggested then
> no
> > one would/should complain because the "majority" has spoken. The nation
> > would know that the MAJORIY of rangers agree or disagree on the subject
at
> > hand instead of what we have now. I think sending ballots using the
> > leadership structure (National => Regional => District => Sectional =>
> Area
> > => Outpost) would be a great idea.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Big Bear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RR] New program question?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- Marvelous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > To all Ranger-Net Commanders,
> > > > I have an idea that I want to run across you all & get all of your
> > > > civil (nice) reponses as to why it wasn't tried before this new
> program
> > > > was instituted.
> > >
> > > *Here's mine..
> > >
> > > The format or content of a National Program called Royal Rangers
> > > was never intended to be Democratic. While a body meets yearly to
> > > represent regional intrests (the NRRC), it's obvious that
> > > the former Gold Track was the outcome of that "Team" effort and the
> > > new program a reaction to challanges placed from outside the NRRC.
> > >
> > > While in the past, individuals influenced and were granted a hand
> > > in developing program content, the final decision to alter the program
> > > was the duty of the NRRC, National Staff reporting to: Rev.Thomas
Trask.
> > >
> > > Seeking input was done by representation, without feeling the need to
> > > fully take a Democratic vote of all participants. That said, there was
> > > great effort to explain the need for change and to win your support.
> > >
> > > *I'm sure you may remembered an attempt to share the program
development
> > > with the regional roll outs by members of the National Staff with the
> > > "evolveing Powerpoint" presentation.
> > >
> > > It's true that what resulted is a compromise position, to answer many
> > > concerned "Outside" individuals over Traditional Royal Rangers
> leadership,
> > > and that might be seen as a turn away from Democratic RR values.
> > >
> > > Therefore No "formal" vote is needed.
> > >
> > > Your participation is desired, but if you find a hitch in your
> get-a-long
> > > you are free to vote with your feet.
> > >
> > > Hay-All Flavors,cheap!
> > > -=A=-
> > >
> > > This might work for future ideas that anyone in
> > > > Springfield comes up with that will affect all of USA Royal Rangers
or
> > > > nationally. Here it is:
> > > > When they (whomever -pastor's comittee, national office, etc.)
came
> up
> > > > with the idea for the new Ranger program. National Office should
have
> > > > presented voting ballots to each District Commander for voting for
or
> > > > against it the new ideas. Then each District Commander could have
> sent
> > > > out the ballots to each sectional Commander. Then the Sectional
> > > > Commander could have sent them out to each Senior Commander in His
> > > > section. Then each Senior Commander could have handed the ballots
out
> > > > to all of their Commanders in their outpost & they could vote. Then
> all
> > > > the votes could have been sent back up the chain as they came down
or
> > > > straight to their District Commander who would then send them into
the
> > > > national office. The national office could then tally the votes &
go
> by
> > > > what the majority of the Commanders say. This way every Commander
> could
> > > > have their say by vote & we would all feel better as to how it was
> > > > handled. We then could say we all voted & this was the results.
This
> > > > idea might even work with the discussion of adding girls in Rangers.
> > > > Jonathan I even want to hear from you.
> > > > Later,
> > > > Commander Marvin
> > > > Outpost 130
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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