----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:30
AM
Subject: Re: [RR] New program question?
for Bob
Dear Bob,
First of all I've been
noticing that commanders have turning this topic into "Democracy in the
US." We're talking about democracy in the Royal Ranger program, NOT here
in the US. So lets not try to compare the US with the Royal Ranger
program. Democracy might not work with the US but I don't see why it
wouldn't work for Royal Rangers. Anyways lets get to your letter Cmdr.
Triphahn:
I our church we have business meetings in which
we the congragation vote on certain issues. Yes we do have a church
board and they will vote on issues were not allowed to vote on BUT on really
big issues that affect the congragation we do vote. So I'm not saying
that EVERY LITTLE THING would be voted on, but for BIG
ISSUES like the new program or women in the Royal Rangers that would be
something that would be voted on by every chartered outpost in the
nation.
As for complaining, yes there might be a few
people that would complain but not like we've been complaining here in
RangerNet. We would not be criticizing the national office or thinking
of "what if Cmdr Barnes was still alive" because we were the ones who voted
and made the decision not them. The majority rules, the people have
spoken, that type of thing. Once again the votes would be done for BIG
ISSUES, issues and decisions that affect the Royal Rangers throughout this
entire nation.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002
12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [RR] New program
question?
Jose,
Having a Democratic vote for any issue in
Rangers is not going to keep people from complaining about the changes.
Especially if we look at how people react to real life voting. They still
complain.
It is a wonderful thought. Let me ask you about
the government set up of your local church. Does every member or attendee
vote on all issues regarding church policies? Usually it is the board or
deacons who do the voting and the congregation can either live with it or
leave.
No flames intended. Just some food for
thought.
God Bless,
Bob Triphahn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002
10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [RR] New program
question?
Then perhaps things need to change. Perhaps the Royal
Ranger program needs
to be more Democratic than what we have now.
This program is not the US
Congress or Senate. STOP WITH ALL THE
POLITICS! This is suppose to be a
Christian ministry after
all. A democratic vote would put to rest all of
these
controveries that have been popping up in RangerNet like the
new
program and the issue of women and girls in the Royal Ranger
program. If
all of these changes are done democratically as
Marvelous suggested then no
one would/should complain because the
"majority" has spoken. The nation
would know that the MAJORIY of
rangers agree or disagree on the subject at
hand instead of what we
have now. I think sending ballots using the
leadership structure
(National => Regional => District => Sectional =>
Area
=> Outpost) would be a great idea.
----- Original
Message -----
From: "Big Bear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent:
Tuesday, September 24, 2002 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [RR] New program
question?
>
> --- Marvelous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> > To all Ranger-Net Commanders,
> >
I have an idea that I want to run across you all & get all of
your
> > civil (nice) reponses as to why it wasn't tried before
this new program
> > was instituted.
>
> *Here's
mine..
>
> The format or content of a National Program called
Royal Rangers
> was never intended to be Democratic. While a
body meets yearly to
> represent regional intrests (the NRRC), it's
obvious that
> the former Gold Track was the outcome of that "Team"
effort and the
> new program a reaction to challanges placed from
outside the NRRC.
>
> While in the past, individuals
influenced and were granted a hand
> in developing program content,
the final decision to alter the program
> was the duty of the NRRC,
National Staff reporting to: Rev.Thomas Trask.
>
> Seeking
input was done by representation, without feeling the need to
>
fully take a Democratic vote of all participants. That said, there
was
> great effort to explain the need for change and to win your
support.
>
> *I'm sure you may remembered an attempt to share
the program development
> with the regional roll outs by members of
the National Staff with the
> "evolveing Powerpoint"
presentation.
>
> It's true that what resulted is a compromise
position, to answer many
> concerned "Outside" individuals over
Traditional Royal Rangers leadership,
> and that might be seen as a
turn away from Democratic RR values.
>
> Therefore No "formal"
vote is needed.
>
> Your participation is desired, but if you
find a hitch in your get-a-long
> you are free to vote with your
feet.
>
> Hay-All Flavors,cheap!
>
-=A=-
>
> This might work for future ideas that anyone
in
> > Springfield comes up with that will affect all of USA
Royal Rangers or
> > nationally. Here it is:
>
> When they (whomever -pastor's comittee, national office,
etc.) came up
> > with the idea for the new Ranger program.
National Office should have
> > presented voting ballots to each
District Commander for voting for or
> > against it the new
ideas. Then each District Commander could have sent
> > out
the ballots to each sectional Commander. Then the Sectional
>
> Commander could have sent them out to each Senior Commander in
His
> > section. Then each Senior Commander could have
handed the ballots out
> > to all of their Commanders in their
outpost & they could vote. Then all
> > the votes could have
been sent back up the chain as they came down or
> > straight to
their District Commander who would then send them into the
> >
national office. The national office could then tally the votes
& go by
> > what the majority of the Commanders say.
This way every Commander could
> > have their say by vote &
we would all feel better as to how it was
> > handled. We
then could say we all voted & this was the results. This
>
> idea might even work with the discussion of adding girls in
Rangers.
> > Jonathan I even want to hear from
you.
> > Later,
> > Commander
Marvin
> > Outpost
130
> >
>
>
> =====
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> of the follower in the
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