Karen Crook wrote:
> 
> TRUDY: It is their disrespect and contempt for decent behaviour that has
> permeated our society - if it isn't illegal,
> 
> Then don't be like them and just think that because he says he didn't do it
> also means he's innocent.

Is that what you think? I know that there are a lot of people in your
job who think like this but just because he says he didn't do it he
could also mean he's telling the truth. Or is denial of guilt an
admission of guilt to the police?

> Why pick on Clarke??? How can you say that when it is a female civilian
> accusing him of rape, not John Howard. Rape is not decent behaviour and if
> he has committed a crime then it will start with him.

I think you misunderstood the comparison. We were talking about standing
down, not the accusation or who made it. The decent behaviour being
referred to was the standing down - not rape.

Trudy
> 
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> Tim,
> 
> You might expect him to but he wouldn't, would he? There USED to be
> procedural niceties here until the Howard mob got in and did away with
> them. It is their disrespect and contempt for decent behaviour that has
> permeated our society - if it isn't illegal, it's on. Remember all the
> government ministers and hangers-on that should have stood down but
> didn't, with Howard's support? Now he's fomenting contempt of the UN.
> Why pick on Clarke alone?
> 
> Trudy
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Sandy's right - Karen is being needlessly provocative.  And Trudy is
> right,
> > she has the guy convicted without the benefit of a trial.  Nonetheless,
> > there are some procedural niceties to consider here - if John Howard were
> > accused of rape, I'd sure as hell expect him to stand aside until the
> trial.
> > Consistency compels me to think Clarke should too.   Dontchareckon?
> >
> > Tim
> > ==================
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Trudy & Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > Date: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Re: The Canberra Times: Burke calls on ATSIC
> chair
> > to stand down while ...
> >
> > >Have you convicted him already? What happened to innocent until PROVEN
> > >guilty? Burke, Howard and Court have condemned themselves.
> > >
> > >Trudy
> > >
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