I believe that some of those political considerations are that there is no
provision for Clarke to stand down and then resume his seat if, and when, he
is found innocent.
Now, If a copper is stood down, it is usually with pay of some kind, and
reinstatement if, and when, they are found not guilty. Should Clarke not
have the same benefits? - particularly since he is yet to be found guilty of
anything.
When a parliamentarian is accused of something he/she does not usually stand
down until 'due process' is finalised. Should Clarke not have the same
benefit?
I do not, and will not judge - either partially or fully the case - and
neither should anyone else. To not deal with a person because they are
'accused' of something indicates to me that the person 'not dealing' has
formed an opinion.
Perhaps Karen, if one should stand down after being 'accused' of a crime,
then it would be of thought to accuse howard and burke of something - never
mind whether they have been proved guilty or not - and they then should
stand down too? Interesting idea. The country could really go to the dogs.
Or is this opinion based more on 'feminist' bias. Rape is very bad so all
men suspected of rape should be punished - just in case they should?. Get
real girl. Rape is a charge that STILL has to be proven in a court of law
and the emotional biases of people should - and justly do - be taken out of
any court proceedings.
If he is guilty then he should be punished as any person found guilty of
such a charge is punished. If he is found innocent he should be given the
same amount of media space he is now 'enjoying' so that all can see that he
is innocent. However, the world does not work like that. If he is found
innocent he will carry the stigma of being accused and the emotional bias of
people who will still believe he has committed this crime - no matter what a
court of law says.
He should not stand down just to assuage the suspicions and biases of those
who would commit without due process.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, 3 August 2000 9:59 P.M.
Subject: RE: [recoznet2] Re: The Canberra Times: Burke calls on ATSIC chair
to stand down while ...
> TRUDY: There are also political considerations within ATSIC that are
> preventing
> Clarke from stepping down and that is why you haven't heard anything
> from Howard's mob. Burke is so dense he hasn't picked up on it.
>
>
> What could those political considerations possibly be?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Trudy & Rod Bray
> Sent: Thursday, 3 August 2000 1:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Re: The Canberra Times: Burke calls on ATSIC
> chair to stand down while ...
>
>
> Tim,
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Trudy,
> >
> > Of course Howard wouldn't stand down - and I, too, was thinking of the
> > example set by him and his ministers during the various rorts
allegations
> > (though Labor doesn't come out with much cred on this score either).
> >
> > Why pick on Clarke?
>
> It was a rhetorical question, Tim.
>
> I wasn't, though Karen might have been. Interestingly,
> > no-one in the Howard govt has picked on him in this regard either. I
> think
> > Burke said he should stand down.
>
> Yes, it was Burke...and Karen.
>
> >
> > But the comment stands - if I would expect Howard to stand down, I
should
> > expect the same behaviour of Clarke. To argue that he shouldn't because
> > Howard probably wouldn't is a dangerous route, isn't it? At the very
> least
> > it is saying that Clarke is maintaining the same low standards as
Howard.
> > Is it really picking on Clarke to suggest that he should maintain higher
> > standards than the dread Johnny?
>
> I agree with you, Tim, that ALL in those kinds of situations should
> stand down. It seems, however, that society has accepted - in general -
> what has become the standard behaviour of this government.
> There are also political considerations within ATSIC that are preventing
> Clarke from stepping down and that is why you haven't heard anything
> from Howard's mob. Burke is so dense he hasn't picked up on it.
>
> Trudy
> >
> > Tim
> > ===============
> > Trudy wrote:
> > >Tim,
> > >
> > >You might expect him to but he wouldn't, would he? There USED to be
> > >procedural niceties here until the Howard mob got in and did away with
> > >them. It is their disrespect and contempt for decent behaviour that has
> > >permeated our society - if it isn't illegal, it's on. Remember all the
> > >government ministers and hangers-on that should have stood down but
> > >didn't, with Howard's support? Now he's fomenting contempt of the UN.
> > >Why pick on Clarke alone?
> > >
> > >Trudy
> > >
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Sandy's right - Karen is being needlessly provocative. And Trudy is
> > right,
> > >> she has the guy convicted without the benefit of a trial.
Nonetheless,
> > >> there are some procedural niceties to consider here - if John Howard
> were
> > >> accused of rape, I'd sure as hell expect him to stand aside until the
> > trial.
> > >> Consistency compels me to think Clarke should too. Dontchareckon?
> > >>
> > >> Tim
> > >> ==================
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Trudy & Rod Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Date: Thursday, August 03, 2000 12:54 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [recoznet2] Re: The Canberra Times: Burke calls on ATSIC
> > chair
> > >> to stand down while ...
> > >>
> > >> >Have you convicted him already? What happened to innocent until
PROVEN
> > >> >guilty? Burke, Howard and Court have condemned themselves.
> > >> >
> > >> >Trudy
> > >> >
> > >>
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