Re: Loyalty Test
Oh! Without knowing/thinking about those people that did all these 'hangamas', I have started thinking like them! Talk about the mindset (of a group)! My God! I might as well go back to Assam to run for election. From: Utpal Brahma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Loyalty Test Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:13:05 -0700 (PDT) It also seems the only possible way to give the Assamese their own state, and there was already a Bengali state - West Bengal. Didn't this attitude of Assamese speakers prove very costly ? Thanks to their attitude Assam lost Nagaland, Mizoram, Meghalaya and the on-going troubles like Bodoland etc etc. Well atleast one credit I would give to the language (Assamese) chauvinists .. the reorganization of states based on language happened in India happened after 1957, but the politicians started playing their language cards even before 47. Sic sic .. it didn't help keeping the Nagas, Mizos, Khasis, Garos, Bodos happy. Its time we stopped playing politics based on personal traits like religion, language, castes. If Assamese speakers demand adopting Assamese language a pre condition assimilation, God help the people of Assam. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: Loyalty Test
you see, i can only lead the horse to the water, but cannot make it drink. (i know now there will be a lot of fun with the horse analogy). Do not worry. It is not as bad as saying: 'gorur aagot tukari bojai, mur jukari ghah khai', even though you are not calling the person a 'goru'. :) From: Saurav Pathak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dr. Supratic Gupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Loyalty Test Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:53:03 -0400 Dr. Supratic Gupta said on AssamNet: + what makes you think what i say is dependent on + stereotypical pakistanis and/or bangladeshis? it doesnot even + depend upon stereotypical indians. + + Indian always feel that two nation theory is wrong, they thought this + during separation and even today. And we all lost because of this feeling + + And Pakistanis feel two nation theory is right and division is right. + + Stereotype or not, not Pakistani or Bangladeshi feel they would have been + more happy leaving together. Speak to them and see. + the verdict that the partition was a failure or success is not dependent on what some pakistani/bangladeshi/indian think about it. as there are pakistanis who wanted partition and have benefitted from it, so are there some in india. + + everything that you have lost because of the failure. + + For example, what are the things I lost? + + a) I lost a place that actually is my mother land. + b) I lost because the place we shifted too, even though legally called + us Bongal and said Bongal Kheda. + + Tell us in words what you gained. + + If you again repeat words vague and meaningless like this, I would assume + possibly I am not intelligent enough for you to continue this discussion. + + maybe i overstretched some there. maybe i should have said what you have lost, no-one will ever lose. putting it in another way, what you lost will never be redeemed by someone else losing something similar. i mean, if you want to make some muslims go over to pakistan, it will not get you back what you lost. + + + What are the benefits, positive and negative sides of each view? + + that you have to answer for yourself. + + That was your view, and I have to answer. Great. my view was that partition was a failure. it has nothing to do with what you'd gain or lose by adopting that failure. the debating point here is that partition was a failure. if you wish to carry on with the business of partition, it is really upto to you. you see, i can only lead the horse to the water, but cannot make it drink. (i know now there will be a lot of fun with the horse analogy). saurav _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: assamese poems
Just to supplement the information provided by Srimanta, here are the URLs hosted by Bipuljyoti Saikia. http://www.geocities.com/bipuljyoti/poetry/harekrishna.html http://www.geocities.com/bipuljyoti/poetry/modernism_in_assamese_poetry.html http://www.geocities.com/bipuljyoti/poetry/hirenb.html http://www.geocities.com/bipuljyoti/poetry/nilmoni.html Poet Harekrishna Deka is the present DGP of the state . BTW, poet Deka is the elder brother of our netter Kamal Jit Deka (KJD) of Houston, Texas. Saurav (Pathak) also has a site that houses some of the poems (in Assamese) by several poets (including Bipuljyoti) and Hiren Bhatta's poems are included in that site. http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~saurav/kobita/ --ABS. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 6:00 AM Subject: Re: assamese poems Is there a website for Assamese poetry? Someone told me that modern poems written by Hiren Bhatta, Nilomoni Phukon and Harekrishna Deka are good ones. Go to Bipul jyoti saikia,s webpage ( using Google.com ). I would also like to know if poet Deka and present head of Assam Police are same individual or two different persons. Poet Harekrishna Deka is the present DGP of the state . SRIMANTA/JAMSHEDPUR [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/27/2002 05:25:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: assamese poems One of my South African friend, a poet, is interested to read Assamese Poems. Is there a website for Assamese poetry? Someone told me that modern poems written by Hiren Bhatta, Nilomoni Phukon and Harekrishna Deka are good ones. I would also like to know if poet Deka and present head of Assam Police are same individual or two different persons. Sincerely, Bimal Kumar Das
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Re: Fwd: THE VANCOUVER SUN (report on Shankar Borua's newest movie)
Even though many Naga want independence , the people are split , some along tribal differences , and some for economic reasons. The government of India has pumped millions of dollars into the region in the last 50 years in order to buy off people or broadly incorporate them into the system, says Borua . So people who gain from the system would like to have the status quo maintained. I hope some day, some one don't say this to the world about us - those Assamese that DO NOT care for Assam's independence, that because of those pumped dollars we too are not looking for independence. From: J Kalita [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: THE VANCOUVER SUN (report on Shankar Borua's newest movie) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com message3.txt _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: On this comming Independence Day
Every time you send us mail, (mostly :)) its something good - some improvement, that is happening in Assam, Tasir. One time I spcifically remember was, about Assam Tribune going online. Now this. Thank you. Sincerely, --ABS. From: Tasiruddin Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: On this comming Independence Day Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 11:41:36 +0530 (IST) Raiz, You'll hear that one CIC, i.e. Community Information Centre in each of the 447 blocks (including 214 in Assam) in the North East have been opened. The CICs are equipped with the state-of-the-art computer and communication system. Typically each CIC has the following: 1. Two operators 2. One VSAT with 64/128 Kbps satellite link 3. One Pentium-III Server 4. Five Pentium-IV Clients 5. Switch/Hub/Router for LAN 6. Printer 7. Web Camera 8. 29 Color TV 9. Air Conditioners 10. Diesel Generator set 11. Other Misc. equipments. The Operators will be paid by the Govt. of India for the next 5 years. After that it will be the responsibility of the State governments. The CIC are expected to generate thier own running expenses by charging a nominal fee from the community users. The Internet link is expected to be fast since a dedicated satellite transponder and a hub is used. So far most of the CICs are complete or near completion. All the CICs will be inugurated on 17th August, a day after the Independence Day. So, Raiz, now you will find a direct link to the people of your area in Assam and other parts of North East. You'll shall have an opportunity to play a vital role in guiding and making the CICs sustainable and effective for the benefit of those who are on the other half of the so called digital divide. I have the feeling that the Government of India feels that most of the essentials like roads, drinking water, controlling floods, and other natural calamities have been given a lot of time, effort and money. Perhaps this is the age of changing the spending pattern to telecommunications, computers and Information Technology. I also feel that CICs can bring up a great change and can open up big opportunities -- the possibilities are many. Only time will tell. Some CICs will do well others may not. So Raiz may need to give all possible support for those CICs that may not do well. Raiz be prepared to grab this unique opportunity. ( More information on CIC at: http://www.cic.nic.in ) Thank you all. Tasiruddin Ahmed ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: Fwd: THE VANCOUVER SUN (report on Shankar Borua's newest movie)
Hi C'da: But isn't that contradictory to what has been said? If the Center has pumped money, why the angst? You mean, the government of India (GOI) has pumped millions of dollars to pacify those who are broadly incorporated to the system guys, but DO NOT give for the development of the state? I wonder what is that hidden benefit that GOI is getting by giving millions of dollars for one cause and not for the other.. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fwd: THE VANCOUVER SUN (report on Shankar Borua's newest movie) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:17:40 -0500 I hope some day, some one don't say this to the world about us - those Assamese that DO NOT care for Assam's independence, that because of those pumped dollars we too are not looking for independence. You might be a bit late for that Alpana. While YOU may not fit the description, unfortunately there are plenty others who already do, have done for years. I mean who would NOT want to change the status quo, because it is so profitable to them personally. Santanu's poignant article of this morning illustrates that well. But there is plenty more. The millions that come to Assam as largesse from Delhi, is little more than bribes that Shankar Borua alludes to, Delhi's packaging with Gandhi's picture on it not-withstanding. And why would anyone who benefit from such largesse, directly or even indirectly, would want to have the golden goose killed? And guess what--WE, you, I and countless others like us ARE/WERE the recipients of such dubious CHARITY. And for exactly the same reason, Dilip's complaint re: Flood Control in Assam--that the money still must come from Delhi-- is why it must end. That Delhi MUST not have CONTROL over Assam's finances, so it can use those monies taken from the region in various forms to RE-DISTRIBUTE it, as if it is THEIR ancestral wealth, being given out of its immense sense of charity, as it does in Nagaland and other areas of the NE, to further its own agenda and interests, OVER the real needs of these peoples. Tilok Daktor's observation of the other day in parody of --Twmar baarire baanh gaanj, taare khundilu khorisaa** Twmake xolai dhaan-dwn lolu, kothatu mon korisaa was apt indeed :-). c-da At 1:06 PM -0500 8/13/02, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: Even though many Naga want independence , the people are split , some along tribal differences , and some for economic reasons. The government of India has pumped millions of dollars into the region in the last 50 years in order to buy off people or broadly incorporate them into the system, says Borua . So people who gain from the system would like to have the status quo maintained. I hope some day, some one don't say this to the world about us - those Assamese that DO NOT care for Assam's independence, that because of those pumped dollars we too are not looking for independence. From: J Kalita [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: THE VANCOUVER SUN (report on Shankar Borua's newest movie) Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:27:29 -0700 (PDT) Note: forwarded message attached. __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com message3.txt _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: GoI's Largesse
me just ask Tom Freedman of NY Times. c-da :-) - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alpana Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: Re: GoI's Largesse At 12:21 AM -0500 8/14/02, Alpana Sarangapani wrote: No, it did not shed much light, C'da. Let me try once more A. If YOU as parents,always CONTROL the activities of your child/ren, serving their every need, and never let them learn how to become responsible adults, take care of their own needs, manage their conflicts and become self-reliant individuals, what are the chances they WILL grow up to? And later, when ma and deuta expect their grown up progeny to use their gifts effectively,to raise the grand children, could they? Now let us not take the example too literally, because the forces involved in states vs the center are much more complicated and involved.But in the context of your original confusion on this matter, the example I cite is essentially parallel. c`da `--``-`-`-`-`-`-`-`--```-`-`-`-`-`--`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`- So, the problem was that the GOI did not allocate the money and the innocent local engineers or whoever did not know how to spend it, so they just took it home? I thought you were of the opinion like, THEY don't need to tell us What to do, or Where to spend our money - we know how to handle things to enhance our state's welfare! Or are you giving Tilok another chance to sing a parody (with better words and rhymes :)) like: Bhoot-giri hoi, aamaak dila aamaarei (tel-saah besi puwa) poisa Akou etia kot khoros koribo laage taaku (aamaak) xikabo aahisa! :) - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:09 PM Subject: GoI's Largesse Hi A: But isn't that contradictory to what has been said? If the Center has pumped money, why the angst? *** Pumping millions to Assam or Nagaland or Arunachal or whatever does NOT make it the end of story. IF GoI takes the money out and disburses it back irresponsibly, without transperency, without accountability, it does NOT do anything for the people of those states, even though it DOES make a selective, privileged segment of those societies a lot of good. If one looks at today's Guahati for example, it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that there IS a lot of wealth floating around there. WHAT is the source of such wealth? What produces it? And are those who are enjoying such wealth producing anything ? If they are, what is it? Ever thought of that? You might argue then that it is the FAULT of Assam's society.That once GoI pumps the funds back to the states its responsibility is over. But is it? Let us examine that for a moment: *** The Center has cornered ALL of the important powers of governance for itself, never mind under what pretext.The argument that it is constitutional is NOT a good enough argument, since we all know how the constitution has been prostituted in India by every administration since independence; a FACT that has been pointed out time and again by mainstream INDIAN media, never mind about Assam dissidents. ***The institutions of democracy that can ensure transperency and exact accountability , namely law enforcement and justice system, a responsibility of the authorities that HOLD the supreme powers, is at best dysfunctional.Therefore wrongdoers have NO deterrence. Corrupt behavior is REWARDED, not punished. Take a wild guess on what that produces.Corrupt behavior,insinuated by some to be a genetic trait exclusively of the Assamese, is really a DIRECT result of Delhi's policies.Trust me on this,the Assamese are NOT born corrupt. Nor are OTHER Indians, even though INDIANS are widely perceived to be some of the most corrupt people in the world today. *** Let us visit the issue of ELECTIONS in Assam, the be- all,end-all of Indian democracy. Candidates need funds to run a campaign. Where do these funds come from you think? Would I be off base if I suggest it comes from BUSINESSES? Now WHAT are the controls on such funding? Do checks and balances exist? And WHO controls the vast majority of businesses in Assam you think? And while you are at it, take another wild guess on WHO wields the ultimate influences on these democratically elected Assam representatives entrusted to look after the interests of Assam residents? Hope the above sheds some
Re: Letter to The Editor of AT
Salwar Kamiz has been the dress of Punjab (India) etc., for ages, before anybody even heard of the word Pakistan. So, if tomorrww suddenly, Pakistan gets up and makes Mekhela-Saador their national dress (wooh! makes me dizzy) and pakistani women start wearing mekhela-saador (btw, I don't have anything personal against them), so it would be theirs?? convincing the boys that the punjabi/marwari's prefer salwar kameez! who doesnt like to be seen with a camisole Sounds like a practical idea. But why do they have to convince the boys first, why can't they do it on their own with a touch of self-pride? Is 'dada-giri' required here too? From: Saurav Pathak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Dilip Deka [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Letter to The Editor of AT Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 14:57:13 -0400 i believe western dresses like spaghetti camisoles, tank tops etc are becoming popular in guwahati and elsewhere. the salwar kameez, which is actually the pakistani national dress, was also a novel and trendy attire at one point in assam. the latest conspiracy is probably college lecturers discussing in private ways to prevent the bare mid-rif look in their classrooms. mekhela sador is the attire worn by assamese medium school girls, so is probably not attractive for the upwardly mobile cotton college girls. that probably leaves the salwar kameez as the nearest trendy thing to offer the fashion consious girls. if this is true, then it is indeed a conspiracy to impose a set of values on a section of the people. someone's sensibilities are hurt! on the other hand, the long black skirt (or even a wrap-around) which the young girls prefer is another trendy look. the mekhela long-skirt analogy is just their spin on the subject. i think the girls could nip this conspiracy in the bud by clad classmate? i wonder when the navel pin/ring will reach the banks of the brahmaputra. saurav Chan Mahanta said on AssamNet: + I see a fallacy in this discussion on Indianization. The choice and + decision on such matters is entirely in the hands of the local people. + + + *** Indeed so. And that is where the rub MIGHT be. I say might, because we + are speculating. The letter talked of a RUMOUR. Assuming there is truth to + the rumour, then LOCAL decision making not-withstanding, we have seen + countless efforts, mostly successful, in INDIANIZATION' of Assam. Mostly + at the expense of Assam's unique cultural traits. + + + How does that happen? + + It happens thru the use of POWER. MONEY. Money that buys local collusion. + + Just take the case of the mushrooming of ugly brick and concrete TEMPLES to + north-indian gods, in glaring white or monstrous shades of red, orange, + pink and chartreuse; that pock-marks the length and breadth of the once + pastoral, emerald, Assamese landscape. Even the hills are full with the + houses for and sounds of invocation to north Indian gods ( I like my words + here, don't you :-) --with apologies to the Sound of Music). Even Kaziranga + has not been spared. Who builds these? It must be thru LOCAL collusion. But + is it locally inspired? Locally financed? Is it representative of LOCAL + culture and customs? + + We can go on and on. But I don't think it would be necessary. + + + If the Assamese like to and want to indianize themselves, who are we to + say that it is wrong? + + *** Funny thing is that a FEW, powerful or influential or bought ASSAMESE + do not make the will of Assam, do they? Should they? + + Besides WHO is saying it is wrong? We are merely taking the wrappers off + the packaging. Hopefully not to the chagrin of apologists of pan-Indianism + :-). + + + Conspiringly yours, + + c + + + * + _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: AT Letter to Editor
This phenomenon may be even more dangerous with foreign media entering our country. The government should impose suitable censorship on such publications. - Yours etc., Oh please! The goverment for this too - for what your kids should wear now? As long as some one does not go out flashing themselves (excuse me, again), the government - the police, etc. should not come into picture here. Why do people ask for the government to interfere in everything, and when they do, then they start whining? From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AT Letter to Editor Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:27:55 -0500 Vulgar fashion Sir, - Now-a-days, sex-related interactions and crimes are increasing fast among the urbanite college boys and girls. Other reasons apart, many fashion magazines are also responsible for destroying our culture. Sexy and semi-nude postures in obscene costumes featured in such magazines are seen even by domestic servants and these make males dangerous towards females.On the other side, girls from their student-age become crazy for vulgar dresses highlighted by these magazines to attract sexual crimes towards them. Such magazines have large readership due to very attractive subscription offers. What is more, supplements of newspapers are also increasing their readership through similar attractive photos of girls in vulgar dresses. Is it western conspiracy to destruct our culture and ignite sexual crimes through vulgar and obscene magazines/newspaper supplements ? This phenomenon may be even more dangerous with foreign media entering our country. The government should impose suitable censorship on such publications. - Yours etc., MADHU AGRAWAL, Dariba, Delhi. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Correction: Re: AT Letter to Editor
Oops! it was about the censorship in publications, wasn't it? Even then, why should the government censor anything? If your kids know how to behave, you don't need the outside help, especially the government - thats what I was getting at. Not that I did the very best job in parenting, but I won't blame others - the government especially, if something went wrong. Well, I don't know! If I had a daughter, may be I would have become desperate and tried to find faults with the system, if she went wild on her selection of clothings.. Anyway, in general, I won't want the government to interfere in anything personal. I am glad that the legal drinking age is 21 here. :) From: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AT Letter to Editor Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 12:02:11 -0500 This phenomenon may be even more dangerous with foreign media entering our country. The government should impose suitable censorship on such publications. - Yours etc., Oh please! The goverment for this too - for what your kids should wear now? As long as some one does not go out flashing themselves (excuse me, again), the government - the police, etc. should not come into picture here. Why do people ask for the government to interfere in everything, and when they do, then they start whining? From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AT Letter to Editor Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 10:27:55 -0500 Vulgar fashion Sir, - Now-a-days, sex-related interactions and crimes are increasing fast among the urbanite college boys and girls. Other reasons apart, many fashion magazines are also responsible for destroying our culture. Sexy and semi-nude postures in obscene costumes featured in such magazines are seen even by domestic servants and these make males dangerous towards females.On the other side, girls from their student-age become crazy for vulgar dresses highlighted by these magazines to attract sexual crimes towards them. Such magazines have large readership due to very attractive subscription offers. What is more, supplements of newspapers are also increasing their readership through similar attractive photos of girls in vulgar dresses. Is it western conspiracy to destruct our culture and ignite sexual crimes through vulgar and obscene magazines/newspaper supplements ? This phenomenon may be even more dangerous with foreign media entering our country. The government should impose suitable censorship on such publications. - Yours etc., MADHU AGRAWAL, Dariba, Delhi. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: Sankardeva responsible for indianizing Assam?
of arguments. :) - Original Message - From: Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Sankardeva responsible for indianizing Assam? Alpana, I think you are misunderstaninding my basic argument. If you read my analysis you will find that 1) the existing religious traditions in Assam were derived from same common Indian tradition. But these developed separately and long before Xongkordev came into the picture in 15th century. Thus the very term 'India coming to Assam' itself is a misleading term. Does anybody say 'India came to Bengal'? I donot separate Assam, Bengal, Manipur to be separate from India. 2) Thus we also cannot say that Xongkordev brought India to Assam. In fact what he did was to take the same tradition and create e separate religion which is called Assamese Vaishnavism the like of which did not exist in India before. 3) What I say is that many of the Indian tradition in fact originated in Assam. Assamese vaishnavism is one. Assamese Vaishnavism did not came from outside Assam as Mr Dutta is trying to argue. 4) Narakaxur, the pre Vedic Indians all came to Assam from outside long long ago, and they started a separate Indian tradition in Assam. When the scholars say that India was broght to Assam by Xongkordev, they try to mean that this tradition came from mainland India which is not necessarily true. 5) Regarding language, you are correct in interpreting my view: Assamese language is older than Bengali. Rajen Barua From: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sankardeva responsible for indianizing Assam? Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:50:33 -0500 that Assamese language is older than Sanskrit.) I think our scholars need to Did you mean older than Bengali, or Xongoskrit Sanskrit? Out of the 4 reasons that you gave, 3 shows that one of the main rulers, religion and the tradition came from India to Assam, b) The first Indian to bring India to Assam was Narakaxur (who was an adopted son of king Janaka) who came around that time to establish kingdom in Pragjyotishpur. c) Before Xongkordev, the religious tradition in Assam was derived from the basic religious tradition of India: Brahmanic Xiba worship, Kamakhya tradition with Parvati as Devi, Kalika Puran, Tantrik Hinduism, Tantrik Buddhism, Vishnu worship, etc. All these are Aryan Indian religious tradition which gradually penetrated the non Aryan culture in Assam long before Xonkordev came into the picture. d) Even in literature, it was Madhab Kandali who wrote the Assamese Ramayana in 14th century before Xongkordev and may be said to bring the Ramayana tradition of India to the heart of the Assamese. Incidently that Assamerse Ramayana was the first Ramayan written in any religional language of North and (only) the first one said that it did not come from India but had the common source: a) The Aryans came to Assam about 2000 years BC. Since then the religious tradition in Assam had been of the same source with that of India. Then why would you say: know Assamese culture in depth before they try to say everything Assamese was derived from the Indian tradition ...? - Original Message - From: Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: Re: Sankardeva responsible for indianizing Assam? Srimanta Sankaradeva brought India to Assam in the most distinctive manner. I don't know what exactly Mr Dutta tries to mean by the above statement. However, the statement cannot be said to be true and is mis leading. 1) First, if we look at History, we find that India was already in Assam, so
Re: Sankardeva responsible for indianizing Assam?
the appeal in xonkordev's teachings was in its universality. it had nothing to do with this or that narrow cultural tradition. if we assert such narrow cultural affiliations, the very appeal for xonkardev's teachings will diminish, and with that the very argument some of us are trying to make. Bingo! Though I wonder why the denial syndrome is so common in these universal believers. From: Saurav Pathak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sankardeva responsible for indianizing Assam? Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:30:12 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said on AssamNet: + + This is an interesting discussion which reminds me of an experience I had in + Indonesia. Indonesia, Java in particular, is full of Hindu temples. But a + number of Indonesians told me that while they are very proud of them, when + Indian visitors come they feel ambivalent because, according to the + Indonesians I spoke to, in our excitement and pride we begin to talk about a + glorious past when Indonesia was part of some Indian empire. It is obviously + not the same, but raises the question of how to interpret evidence of strong + cultural influence, which co-exists with evidence of other cultural influences + as well. + + SB + thanks for pointing this out, sanjib-da. politically discussing this aspect of shankardev could be disastrous. as utpal-da pointed out yesterday. there is a tendency in assam to completely ignore the native influence, rather the native substrate, of our lives. it is this that has led to the alienation of the bodos, for instance. further, the core assamese society itself it not homogeneously xonkori. there are many other influences. emphasizing a pure xonkari tradition could itself be disastrous for this very core of assamese society. xonkori tradition has a universal appeal. it not only brought people from disparate other traditions into itself (even islam), but it had an appeal for those following other traditions too. for example hiren gohain, who comes from a very different tradition, and who imbibed an even more different one, writes: xangskritik dixot oxomiya xomajor babe xokolutkoi ullekhjgyo ghotona aasil boisnob andulon. ... mur jonmo boisnob poriyalot nohoi, kintu mur jiwonor ataitkoi puroni smriti, dhuwoli-kuwoli otitor esukot saki egosor dore puhor hoi thoka smriti hoise guxai ghoror thaponat purona gamusa ekhonere merai thuwa kirtonkhon, mur aiye dukhor dinot tarpora aaurai juwa podbur. the appeal in xonkordev's teachings was in its universality. it had nothing to do with this or that narrow cultural tradition. if we assert such narrow cultural affiliations, the very appeal for xonkardev's teachings will diminish, and with that the very argument some of us are trying to make. -- saurav _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: Sankardeva responsible ? --An Ingrate's Analysis
some people just see red when they dont like something. :) *** How true :-)! and some wouldn't just admit even when it is true. I bet they take allergy medicine whenever they go through India to go to Assam. Even the name 'India' makes them jump! :) From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Saurav Pathak [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sankardeva responsible ? --An Ingrate's Analysis Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 17:47:55 -0500 some people just see red when they dont like something. :) *** How true :-)! At 6:33 PM -0400 9/17/02, Saurav Pathak wrote: Chan Mahanta said on AssamNet: + + The others that complain as much as some in this group are the commies of + Bengal - who haven't done anything worthwhile in the last 20 years for their + people. + + *** And its relevance to the discussion at hand? + some people just see red when they dont like something. :) -- saurav _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com
Re: Sankardeva responsible for indianizing Assam?
coming to Prof. Dutta said: ..Srimanta Sankaradeva brought India to Assam in the most distinctive manner. If I understand correctly, he did not say, Sankardeva was the ONLY one who brought India to Assam but he said Sankardeva did bring India to Assam, but in the most distinctive manner. And I agree with that. The way I understand is: then he created a different sect in Hinduism - a group that believes in Krishna/Vishnu ONLYand that there is only one God, and that is Krishna/Vishnu, instead of many Gods or Goddesses as the other Hindu groups believe. Then, for those who think Assam has nothing in common with India, we can/have provide/d a totally different set of arguments. :) - Original Message - From: Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Sankardeva responsible for indianizing Assam? Alpana, I think you are misunderstaninding my basic argument. If you read my analysis you will find that 1) the existing religious traditions in Assam were derived from same common Indian tradition. But these developed separately and long before Xongkordev came into the picture in 15th century. Thus the very term 'India coming to Assam' itself is a misleading term. Does anybody say 'India came to Bengal'? I donot separate Assam, Bengal, Manipur to be separate from India. 2) Thus we also cannot say that Xongkordev brought India to Assam. In fact what he did was to take the same tradition and create e separate religion which is called Assamese Vaishnavism the like of which did not exist in India before. 3) What I say is that many of the Indian tradition in fact originated in Assam. Assamese vaishnavism is one. Assamese Vaishnavism did not came from outside Assam as Mr Dutta is trying to argue. 4) Narakaxur, the pre Vedic Indians all came to Assam from outside long long ago, and they started a separate Indian tradition in Assam. When the scholars say that India was broght to Assam by Xongkordev, they try to mean that this tradition came from mainland India which is not necessarily true. 5) Regarding language, you are correct in interpreting my view: Assamese language is older than Bengali. Rajen Barua From: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sankardeva responsible for indianizing Assam? Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:50:33 -0500 that Assamese language is older than Sanskrit.) I think our scholars need to Did you mean older than Bengali, or Xongoskrit Sanskrit? Out of the 4 reasons that you gave, 3 shows that one of the main rulers, religion and the tradition came from India to Assam, b) The first Indian to bring India to Assam was Narakaxur (who was an adopted son of king Janaka) who came around that time to establish kingdom in Pragjyotishpur. c) Before Xongkordev, the religious tradition in Assam was derived from the basic religious tradition of India: Brahmanic Xiba worship, Kamakhya tradition with Parvati as Devi, Kalika Puran, Tantrik Hinduism, Tantrik Buddhism, Vishnu worship, etc. All these are Aryan Indian religious tradition which gradually penetrated the non Aryan culture in Assam long before Xonkordev came into the picture. d) Even in literature, it was Madhab Kandali who wrote the Assamese Ramayana in 14th century before Xongkordev and may be said to bring the Ramayana tradition of India to the heart of the Assamese. Incidently that Assamerse Ramayana was the first Ramayan written in any religional language of North and (only) the first one said that it did not come from India but had the common source: a) The Aryans came to Assam about 2000 years BC. Since then the religious tradition in Assam had been of the same source with that of India. Then why would you say: know Assamese culture in depth before they try to say everything Assamese was derived from the Indian tradition ...? - Original Message - From: Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 11:58 AM
From the Sentinel: Assam CS bereaved
Assam CS bereaved By a Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, Sept. 21: Mr Bimal K. Dutta, a chemical engineer, passed away at his residence in Wingfort near Detroit in the USA last night. He was 73. The late Dutta is the elder brother of Assam Chief Secretary, Mr P.K. Dutta. He had settled in the USA about 30 years ago.
Re: ToI story of a miracle
Tilok: I am just going to ignore your swipe at this miracle thing, which shows that you have been having too many dinners at Sondon kaiti's place - are you getting brain-washed or something? take some 'doctor, heal thyself' therapy. I wanted to write to you about something else. I was reading today's 'Protidin', i frantically searched the whole article, but could not see your name even once. Being the leading LAS, you should have been there amongst the famous 'Injinear' 'daaktor' etc. Bupa, mur naam-u nedekhilu. Kelei muk ei bosor gaon-r mohila xomitir Xobhanetri paata kotha-tu xuna naai jaanu? Taaru pori laao-kheti-u gaon-r bhitorot aamaarei bhaal hoise - xei buli-ei naam-tu sopabo paarile hoy! Pise` ko'ta, moi ji bhabisu, as you suggested, Sondon-kaaiti was really jealous of the lao-kheti, and did not submit yours and my names for publication. Bupa, goru-daaktor hoi laabh naai. 'Injinear' hole` aaji tumar naam khobora-kaagojot uthi gole` hoy. Ki koba aaru, ei maanuh bilaake` tumaak etiaao tol-sokure` saai. Aaji-kaali 'Animal Planet' channel-ot kiba pet-psychic show eta aase. Tumar naam taatu naai - kiyo, tumi-tu 'kkualiphied', it must be the Dilli gor'ment who is stopping you from your due publicity. --Baiti. - Original Message - From: Tilok Hatimuria [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:43 PM Subject: Re: ToI story of a miracle As one of the rare breed of scientists in Assam Net, I am pleased to offer a rational explanation: *** Come on Assam Netters. Use your common sense: even gods need to relieve themselves. No more, no less. BTW, what is 'shivling'? Is it a diminutive form of shiv-lingam? Just curious. Hope it helps. Dr. T, FLAS ** I am a very skeptical person, therefore am not about to fall for this miracle thingie. But maybe there is a rational explanation. Maybe some of our scientist friends in the net will help? cm 'Miracle' in Gujarat's Shiva temples TIMES NEWS NETWORK [ MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, 2002 01:30:21 PM ] AHMEDABAD: A rumour of a miracle has people thronging to Shiva temples across the state. The stories doing the rounds: People have sighted Om on Shivlings in temples and water was flowing out of them. The rumours, with references to a similar 'miracle' a few years ago, when people thought Ganesh idols were drinking milk, are spreading fast. Crowds thronged Shiva temples at Hatkeshwar, Amraiwadi, Vatva, and Navrangpura in Ahmedabad, and Karelibaug, Makarpura and other places in Vadodara. In Ahmedabad, the crowds got so unwieldy that police reinforcements had to be rushed to control them. According to reports, the Somnath temple, which is among the 12 jyotirlingas, was also thrown open and people were seen performing aarti at the temple, hoping to witness the 'miracle'. Late on Sunday, policemen, who till then were monitoring the communal situation, began rushing to Shiva temples in cities all over the state. Similar reports also came in from other districts of the state, and by midnight, the state control room was flooded with queries about the 'miracle'. When a TNN team visited the Samartheshwar Mahadev temple near Law Garden, the people crowded there were craning their necks to witness the 'miracle'. But nothing happened. I got a call from my relatives in Mumbai that a miracle had happened, and I came here from Navrangpura, said Mangalaben, a disappointed devotee. But the maize vendors in Law Garden weren't disappointed. Thanks to the rumours, business was brisk. _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: Significance of the # 18
You can vote when you are 18 (or is it 21 in India?) and can get married too - you are considered an adult when you become 18. And it is in the Western society too. Probably it was a conspiracy of the Hindus/Brahmans against the non-hindus/brahmans because there are no 18 year olds in other castes/tribes/countries. J/K, Barua, don't listen to me. :) It is a good observation - I agree. From: Rajen Barua [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Significance of the # 18 Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 23:24:28 -0500 It seems that the number 18 has special significance in Hindu-Bramanical system: 1) The epic Mahabharata has 18 chapters 2) The Geeta also is written in 18 chapters 3) The war Kurukhetra was fought for total 18 days 4) There are total 18 Purans 5) God Krishna gave the Kauravas 18 Akhyahini soldiers. 6) There are total 18 original clans of Brahmans 7) There may be more with 18!!! Rajen Barua _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: nsg without shoes?
different from teers/talwars or trishuls. Besides,some of the gods themselves sport various arms: Chakra, flame (throwers), trishul, vipers ---; not to mention active participation in epic battles. This thousand year old religion/philosophy Hindu teaches people to believe in freedom of speech, in One ultimate God - thus, does not care about who follows what religion. Don't you agree that it is exclusively the most sophisticated religion (philosophy) in this universe, C'da? - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Saurav Pathak [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Rajib Das [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 12:20 PM Subject: Re: nsg without shoes? maybe they took their arms to get them blessed too. ** Not unusual at all. Tradesmen and technicians do take their tools to Lord Viswakarma to get them blessed. Guns are just tools of the trade, not different from teers/talwars or trishuls. Besides,some of the gods themselves sport various arms: Chakra, flame (throwers), trishul, vipers ---; not to mention active participation in epic battles. It is not so much the outwardly appearance of taking guns to a house of prayer to pay homage to the gods that we should pay attention to: it is the intent. :-) *** At 12:33 PM -0400 9/26/02, Saurav Pathak wrote: Rajib Das said on AssamNet: + + + This is post the operation - they went in for a darshan. thanks, thats true. i did not read the caption. maybe they took their arms to get them blessed too. -- saurav
Guwahati Adda and sky bus
http://www.assamtribune.com/sep2802/at06.html Looking up to the sky to ease traffic jam!By A Staff ReporterGUWAHATI, Sept 27 A novel idea which was born out of discussion among a group of select citizens at Guwahati Adda, for easing ever growing congestion on Guwahati road has been thrown open for public debate today. A city-based elite forum called Guwahati Adda which has a group of top bureaucrates, educationists management gurus, economists, senior journalists as members, has found the Konkan railway corporations concept of Sky Bus as most suitable way to relieve Guwahati of the complicated traffic congestion. Sky Bus is a newly developed concept of rail based mass transit system with flexibility of bus and absolutely safe unlike Sky Train or Tube Railway. Sky Bus can be called the inverted form of a sky train. Its wheels hang from the rails overhead allowing it to move in the air above the congested city roads. In a city like Guwahati where there is no scope for further widening of roads or construction of underground tube railway, the concept of Sky Bus holds out a most viable option to wriggle out of the suffocation on the road, says AK Absar Hazarika, a member of Guwahati Adda. It will be most suitable for the heavily jammed Noonmati-Jalukbari route having a length of about 19 kilometre. Sky Bus is eco-friendly and a high-speed mass transit system which can transport at least 20,000 passengers in one direction in one hour. It is cost effective (one-fourth the cost of underground metro) and it can become operative in two years for its short gestation period. It also does not require land acquisition and most importantly it does not interfere with existing traffic system.The Sky Bus route can be constructed above the existing road divider at a height of over 5.5 metre. As per the model prepared by Konkan railway for its proposed pilot project for Mumbai, it cost Rs 45 crore per kilometre of Sky Bus route which is much cheaper than construction of tube railway or Sky Train that is fraught with accident hazards. A standard model of Sky Bus having two coaches can carry 300 capacity passenger per coach and is run automatically by four computers out of which at least two have to agree to run the system thereby reduce the chances of accident. It is so designed that in case of head on collisions the passengers will not get hurt as the opposite coaches will never come into contact because of the in-built cushion guarding the bus.At night when there is no commuters, Sky Bus can be engaged for faster disposal of garbage. The Planning Commission of India has been impressed by the concept of Sky Bus developed by Konkar Railway and asked the railway to go for survey in 16 cities in the country including Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Bangalore, Chennai, Coimbatore, Delhi, Goa, Hyderabad, Kochi, Kolkata, Lucknow, Mumbai, Pune and Thane. The concept when presented before top-line scientists and experts in the country by Konkan railway, elicited very positive response. Dr APJ Abdul Kalam and Dr A Kakodkar after viewing the presentation by Konkan railway approved it as safe system.The system must have a dedicated power supply line for avoiding disruption although it is provided with exit in case of emergency. Konkan railway is now planning to sell the concept in European countries while they are in advance stage of grabbing a project connecting Sharjah and Dubai. Spurred by the response of the Planning Commission to the Sky Bus concept, the members of Guwahait Adda feel that an initiative should be taken in Assam also to instal the cost effective and less time consuming system of mass traffic in Guwahati. The initiative has to come from government of Assam only. However, Guwahati Adda has already written a letter to Konkan railway drawing their attention to the traffic congestion problem in the city and stating that Sky Bus would be an viable alternative here. The railway has responded by asking for traffic data which have also been sent.
Re: Schools/Education in Assam
*** No one would doubt your empathy Alpana. That is not the issue. We also know that when you go trash the Assamese people, you trash ONLY the bad ones; even though from the sounds of your notes, almost all of Assam seem Trashing the Assamese people, C'da? How could you accuse me of that? It was about the 'ghush-khur's (and in Assam, the context here, majority of these people are the Assamese)- the ones that eat up the public money who in turn are exploiting the COMMON Assamese people only (people like my friends and family). So would you point out where I am trashing THE Assamese people and NOT the 'ghus-khur's? Moreover, what do you think I am, C'da? Bihari/Madraji/Chinese or Italian? Even Billy Crystal(?) didn't (kinda) have the heart to throw De vito's(?)old mama from the train, and you plan to throw me already? I thought you were a fair minded person (who believes in 'kothare kotha kaataa') who believes in non-violence, even when he/she loses the battle. :( From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alpana Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Schools/Education in Assam Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:16:56 -0500 At 1:01 AM -0500 9/30/02, Alpana Sarangapani wrote: *** Holy mackerel! ULFA as the non-violent reformer ? You must have been reading too much fiction. Where did this idea come from? Who else? From you and a handful of netters who have always been maintaining that they are not violent (ie not terrorists). I've never heard of non-violent terrorist. So, now you admit that these people are terrorists. We can put that to rest now. *** I did? That definitely is news to me Alpana. As they say, you always learn something new. I think I get it, finally--that if someone is not a Gandhian (non-viloent) then he is a terrorist. No wonder we see the use of the epihet so often. Thanks for putting the mystery to rest. We owe you one :-). Pothar :-)? I could use his simile in my case too. Someone has to stand up for the people of Assam. I try my little part. What do you think we are? Going against the people of Assam? *** Why would I think a thing like that A ? I know I annoy people, even enrage some. But I don't go about casting aspersions on their sincerity. Oh, occasionally maybe. But only when the arguments become way too disingenuous, not when they are merely child-like :-). In your case, you will somehow or the other, find an invisible link to some one in Delhi. *** You are seeing the picture now. I SEE things that many don't. And many pretend they don't. The INVISIBILITY is a relative term in this instance. The rest of us can see the real picture - the real suffering of the common people of Assam and the real perpetrators who are full blooded Assamese - the exploiters. *** No one would doubt your empathy Alpana. That is not the issue. We also know that when you go trash the Assamese people, you trash ONLY the bad ones; even though from the sounds of your notes, almost all of Assam seem like that today. You are always on the side of the good, (mom and apple pie too). I won't hold it against you. You chastise the Assamese people like a good mother does her son. All for his good. To have him shape up, mend his ways. We know that. But when a good mother goes about chastising the child , with reason or without, the child might begin to think of the well intentioned mother as a nag. And sometimes even worse. Reminds me of the movie 'I Threw Momma Off the Train' ( Danny De Vito et al) :-)? But seriouslty, we need to understand WHY so many in Assam, and much more of them elsewhere in India, turn CORRUPT. Like the child, they are NOT born that way. You can understand that, can't you? If it is not an innate condition, something else is the reason that turns them bad. I would suggest you give that some thought. I have an ulterior motive in suggesting that: so you won't perceive *me* as the Dhritarastra or a terrorist :-). Assam has 2 major problems. One is corruption at all levels, and 2nd, the insurgency problem. *** I could name a few more. But I will go along with you. (It is no fun getting you mad!). Guess what, BOTH are related. Has the same mother in the case of Assam. I'll let you figure out how. But if you can't, let me know. I'll help out. These might sound like a broken record to you now, but you seem to be living in utopia, that there is no corruption in Assam, and if there is any, it is coming from Delhi. *** You have really taken to putting words in my mouth A. I hope that is not a sign that you are running out of arguments :-). I NEVER, ever, said there is no corruption in Assam. In fact I was one of the first here in this net to dwell on that when, some years back we started debating these issues. But I see the roots of corruption residing in issues that you can't seem to see. That is where the disjuncture is. BTW, I live in Florissant, MO. Utopia is in North Lakhimpur :-). Do
Re: Schools/Education in Assam
learn something new. I think I get it, finally--that if someone is not a Gandhian (non-viloent) then he is a terrorist. No wonder we see the use of You forgot the main criterion, C'da. They KILL people! From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alpana Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Schools/Education in Assam Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:16:56 -0500 At 1:01 AM -0500 9/30/02, Alpana Sarangapani wrote: *** Holy mackerel! ULFA as the non-violent reformer ? You must have been reading too much fiction. Where did this idea come from? Who else? From you and a handful of netters who have always been maintaining that they are not violent (ie not terrorists). I've never heard of non-violent terrorist. So, now you admit that these people are terrorists. We can put that to rest now. *** I did? That definitely is news to me Alpana. As they say, you always learn something new. I think I get it, finally--that if someone is not a Gandhian (non-viloent) then he is a terrorist. No wonder we see the use of the epihet so often. Thanks for putting the mystery to rest. We owe you one :-). Pothar :-)? I could use his simile in my case too. Someone has to stand up for the people of Assam. I try my little part. What do you think we are? Going against the people of Assam? *** Why would I think a thing like that A ? I know I annoy people, even enrage some. But I don't go about casting aspersions on their sincerity. Oh, occasionally maybe. But only when the arguments become way too disingenuous, not when they are merely child-like :-). In your case, you will somehow or the other, find an invisible link to some one in Delhi. *** You are seeing the picture now. I SEE things that many don't. And many pretend they don't. The INVISIBILITY is a relative term in this instance. The rest of us can see the real picture - the real suffering of the common people of Assam and the real perpetrators who are full blooded Assamese - the exploiters. *** No one would doubt your empathy Alpana. That is not the issue. We also know that when you go trash the Assamese people, you trash ONLY the bad ones; even though from the sounds of your notes, almost all of Assam seem like that today. You are always on the side of the good, (mom and apple pie too). I won't hold it against you. You chastise the Assamese people like a good mother does her son. All for his good. To have him shape up, mend his ways. We know that. But when a good mother goes about chastising the child , with reason or without, the child might begin to think of the well intentioned mother as a nag. And sometimes even worse. Reminds me of the movie 'I Threw Momma Off the Train' ( Danny De Vito et al) :-)? But seriouslty, we need to understand WHY so many in Assam, and much more of them elsewhere in India, turn CORRUPT. Like the child, they are NOT born that way. You can understand that, can't you? If it is not an innate condition, something else is the reason that turns them bad. I would suggest you give that some thought. I have an ulterior motive in suggesting that: so you won't perceive *me* as the Dhritarastra or a terrorist :-). Assam has 2 major problems. One is corruption at all levels, and 2nd, the insurgency problem. *** I could name a few more. But I will go along with you. (It is no fun getting you mad!). Guess what, BOTH are related. Has the same mother in the case of Assam. I'll let you figure out how. But if you can't, let me know. I'll help out. These might sound like a broken record to you now, but you seem to be living in utopia, that there is no corruption in Assam, and if there is any, it is coming from Delhi. *** You have really taken to putting words in my mouth A. I hope that is not a sign that you are running out of arguments :-). I NEVER, ever, said there is no corruption in Assam. In fact I was one of the first here in this net to dwell on that when, some years back we started debating these issues. But I see the roots of corruption residing in issues that you can't seem to see. That is where the disjuncture is. BTW, I live in Florissant, MO. Utopia is in North Lakhimpur :-). Do they have a corruption training camp in Delhi where the Assamese 'ghus-khurs' go and learn how to take 'ghus'? *** You might HAVE stumbled on to a great piece of revelation here A. As a matter of fact there IS a Corruption training camp. Make it an university. IIC-Delhi. One of the world's best. Indeed many of Assam's luminaries in the field are graduates from there .And in fact many are adjunct professors in the extension units of the NE. Its high time we come to our senses and eradicate the culprits at home. *** What do you suggest Assam do? How would YOU go about doing it? How would you cut off the nutrients that feed the corrupt and sustain them? How would you put the fear of god in them? How would you turn things around? I'll tell you this: prayer is not the answer.
Re: Schools/Education in Assam
These exploiters don't need Delhi's help to exploit the common Assamese.They have been doing it for decades and have fattened themselves on thesweat of the common people. No matter how much money Assam gets, if theseparasites are not locked up, the common Assamese will always suffer, becausethe money will never percolate to them. It will either stop at Dispur or goin some corrupt (flood control, pwd, etc.) engineers' or officials' pockets. *** The above are all Assamese folks aren't they? Or are you excluding thenot-so-nice people of Assam when you talk of the 'Assamese people' ? Icould be wrong, but I thought when you talk of the Assamese people, itincludes the good, the bad and the 'terrorist' too. But what is the context here, C'da? Isn't it about them exploiting the COMMON Assamese only? How are you generalizing me trashing the Assamese - if I am doing that at all, then it is the ghus-khur surs that I am doing it too - and that too for them sucking the blood out of the poor ASSAMESE ONLY. To me, it does not matter if the suckers are Assamese or Non-Assamese - they are 'sur', period. Would it to you? There is only 1 inch left for you to call me a woman Badan, and sadly that is, in the very wrong context. with regards, A very disappointed - Alpana. From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Schools/Education in Assam Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:44:03 -0500 At 11:01 AM -0500 9/30/02, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: *** No one would doubt your empathy Alpana. That is not the issue. We also know that when you go trash the Assamese people, you trash ONLY the bad ones; even though from the sounds of your notes, almost all of Assam seem Trashing the Assamese people, C'da? How could you accuse me of that? These exploiters don't need Delhi's help to exploit the common Assamese. They have been doing it for decades and have fattened themselves on the sweat of the common people. No matter how much money Assam gets, if these parasites are not locked up, the common Assamese will always suffer, because the money will never percolate to them. It will either stop at Dispur or go in some corrupt (flood control, pwd, etc.) engineers' or officials' pockets. *** The above are all Assamese folks aren't they? Or are you excluding the not-so-nice people of Assam when you talk of the 'Assamese people' ? I could be wrong, but I thought when you talk of the Assamese people, it includes the good, the bad and the 'terrorist' too. It was about the 'ghush-khur's (and in Assam, the context here, majority of these people are the Assamese)- the ones that eat up the public money who in turn are exploiting the COMMON Assamese people only (people like my friends and family). So would you point out where I am trashing THE Assamese people and NOT the 'ghus-khur's? *** But thats why I wrote:--- We also know that when you go trash the Assamese people, you trash ONLY the bad ones; You are being ruthless with me A. Moreover, what do you think I am, C'da? Bihari/Madraji/Chinese or Italian? *** Now why would I think of you like that? Gimme a break, would ya? Even Billy Crystal(?) didn't (kinda) have the heart to throw De vito's(?)old mama from the train, and you plan to throw me already? I thought you were a fair minded person (who believes in 'kothare kotha kaataa') who believes in non-violence, even when he/she loses the battle. :( *** That's it. Billy Crystal and Danny De Vito alright. You saw the movie? How did you like it? It was just an illustrationn of a point A. I have no plans to suggest to anyone to give YOU such a treatment. Honest :-). c-da PS: More and more it looks like your definition of 'terrorist' is a work in progress. But I am sure you will get it right one of these days. learn something new. I think I get it, finally--that if someone is not a Gandhian (non-viloent) then he is a terrorist. No wonder we see the use of You forgot the main criterion, C'da. They KILL people! ** From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alpana Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Schools/Education in Assam Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:16:56 -0500 At 1:01 AM -0500 9/30/02, Alpana Sarangapani wrote: *** Holy mackerel! ULFA as the non-violent reformer ? You must have been reading too much fiction. Where did this idea come from? Who else? From you and a handful of netters who have always been maintaining that they are not violent (ie not terrorists). I've never heard of non-violent terrorist. So, now you admit that these people are terrorists. We can put that to rest now. *** I did? That definitely is news to me Alpana. As they say, you always learn something new. I think I get it, finally--that if someone is not a Gandhian (non
Re: Anger Management
Bulu jola juit ghiu dhaliboloi aahila neki Bupa? Imaan dine` dohu-kuri sithi pothiai-u tumar maat exaar nepaalu, akou jetiaai ei torko khon laagil (aaru bhaagil-u), tumi aahi uposthit - bhejaal ghiu-r tekeli etaa loi! kharkhowa). You took the moral high ground on these debates effortlessly and are firmly dug-in ( forgive the war-metaphor, I know how you abhor violence). You are a credit to Texas ( Texas is big on moral high ground Hoyne? Ki 'counseling' khon korisa bupa? Bina-poisa-r hol buli aaru, gosot uthai guri kota bidhor, taate akou theta-moskora miholuwa 'counseling' koribo nelaage Bupa - xod-bhaab eta aase je tumar, xei bhaabi-ei kritartho holu diya. Sounds like you are trying to portray it like it was some kind of a competition (or war, if you want to use a strong word). Are you taking training from C'da and his ilk? :) Anyway, it was good to hear from you, Tilok Bupa. Ei Naarod-or bhao-tu loi-u maat exaar dila je okolxoria baiti-eraak. Bhogobonto-i mongol korok. Oops! aaji-kaali tumi sehaab hola nohoy! aamaar Bhogobontok kot maanaa ssage, ji houk, mur phalor pora kobo loga khini kolu aaru. Om Shanti! Om Shanti! Om Shanti! --Baiti. - Original Message - From: Tilok Hatimuria [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:55 PM Subject: Anger Management O' Baiti: Bwlw bhalne? Long time no hear, long time feel darn bad. Couldn't help butting into your and sondon kai's verbal duels. Have been real busy around here. Usually I couldn't get into net-counseling and all unless it is a scheduled ask the LAS day. But taking the day off tomorrow. Wednesday you know? Got a Hillbilly County horse-shoe pitching tournament. Am a finalist. So I thought I'd spend a little time offering a few bits of professional advice tonight, even though I realize free advice usually does not carry much value. I wouldn't get angry with SK or his baam-ukil-like hair-splitting. You have to consider the *source* ( even though SK is a neighbouring village origin kharkhowa). You took the moral high ground on these debates effortlessly and are firmly dug-in ( forgive the war-metaphor, I know how you abhor violence). You are a credit to Texas ( Texas is big on moral high ground isn't it?). On the other hand look at SK and his ilk. They are apologists for terrorists and 'ghus-khurs. Everyboduy in Assam Net knows who is right and who is left, I mean wrong. THat is why I say, I won't get angry if I were you. And if I must, I would avoid the anger part, instead I would get even, like a true Texan would. W like. Good night Baiti. Peace! Dr T. FLAS At 9:58 PM -0500 9/30/02, Alpana Sarangapani wrote: ...That is where I come from A. But you are NO Badan, woman or man :-). My sincere apologies to you if I hurt your fellings however. It NEVER was my intention. C'da, Please do not apologize. It will make me feel very small. I am not hurt at all, just a little angry - as long as you do not combine, analyze and induct everybody into the group of people that I am talking about (even though you should have known exactly what I meant), and give your assumption, I will be fine. No, I am not including the teacher who MAY be doing private tution etc., I am including the people who DIRECTLY eat the public money - and those are NOT the ONLY people that Assam has. Assam has people that they exploit - my friends and family and many other poor folks - and I am arguing on behalf of them - then how AM I trashing the Assamese people? I will be quiet if needed, but would definitely not like to be blamed for something that I haven't done. Please do not analyze the (Obvious) reasonings and twist and drag them to something totally different, like a strangely challenged lawyer would do. And I said like a strangely challenged, now please do not conclude that I called you names and/or trash all lawyers too - I want to be on the good side of all of you. :) With regards, --Alpana - Original Message - From: Chan Mahanta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alpana B. Sarangapani [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: Re: Schools/Education in Assam But what is the context here, C'da? Isn't it about them exploiting the COMMON Assamese only? How are you generalizing me trashing the Assamese - if I am doing that at all, then it is the ghus-khur surs that I am doing it too - and that too for them sucking the blood out of the poor ASSAMESE ONLY. To me, it does not matter if the suckers are Assamese or Non-Assamese - they are 'sur', period. Would it to you? There is only 1 inch left for you to call me a woman Badan, and sadly that is, in the very wrong context. with regards, A very disappointed - Alpana. *** If I read you correctly, you are saying that a lot of Assamese, those in power of various sorts, prey
RE: Why should any Dalits stay Hindu? -links
'prayasitto' to be paid for what 'pap' according to these Books. That is the beauty of Hinduism, you don't have to know anything. When someone dies in the family, the Brahmin priest you hire will tell you what to At least you don't have to "confess" to the priest and tell him in details what 'paap' you have done. Isn't that another part of the beauty of the Hindu dharma? :) :) From: "Rajen Barua" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Why should any Dalits stay Hindu? -links Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 06:27:33 -0600 Get faster connections -- switch to MSN Internet Access! Click Here ---BeginMessage--- Most Hindus donot have to know what is written in the book. The Brahmin priest will tell him how much 'prayasitto' to be paid for what 'pap' according to these Books. That is the beauty of Hinduism, you don't have to know anything. When someone dies in the family, the Brahmin priest you hire will tell you what to do. Rajen Barua From: "supratic gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Why should any Dalits stay Hindu? -links Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:45:52 +0900 Most Hindus don't know what these books says, and practise what they believe. And they still keep beleiving they are Hindu. So even if I accept that these books said them, it doesnot matter. -Original Message- From: Rajen Barua [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 2:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Why should any Dalits stay Hindu? -links Please do not mix Religious and seculiar world. In the seculiar India, even a Dalit can be the President of India, at least in theory. But in Hindu religion, Brahmins are supreme. According to the Gita they are born out of the head of Brahma. Manusmriti defined the Hindu caste law till the advent of the British in India. A Sudra cannot read the Vedas etc etc. Rajen Barua free! Try MSN. Click Here Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ---End Message---
Re: more on geneva conventions.
I must have made my position clear on the militancy problem - violence in Assam, after all these years in ANet. But I, too,must say (from reading the online newspapers from Assam) that at least killing one of the persons in that encounter could have been avoided. His crying 'Ma, Ma' (for help that is, I suppose), and then saying: "Moi surrender korim, Sir" and still getting shot is just heartbreaking. And seeing the bloody photographs one can imagine that it was not one or two shots that killed him - so much of anger, so much of "brave action" was used to kill him. Shame on these people!! While the militants have no excuses for taking up guns, the administrative force has no excuse (at all)for it either. Violence is just not right - whether itis done by "legal authority"or "illegal militants". I hope they come to their senses and bring an end to the whole chaotic situation,that is going on for decades. After all the violent acts are gone or once peace returns to the world (yeah, right!) all guns should be gone. I am not for "gun control", but for "gun eradication". well! had to take this out of my system. Thanks for reading. From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Neep Hazarika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: more on geneva conventions. Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 08:51:45 -0600 At 8:59 AM + 11/6/02, Neep Hazarika wrote: Is this legal according to the Geneva Convention? Neep: I think you are missing some important distinctions here. While the right to go incinerate a SUSPECTED terrorist along with whoever was riding in the vehicle in the deserts of another country must make Americans take a pause and reflect on the issue and its far reaching ramifications, it is entirely different from the AHRC complaints against Assam police's actions against some of their fellow men and the attempts of some to justify those on account of adherance to SPINNED Geneva Conventions. c-da http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP TS/0211/04/bn.02.html -- Neep Hazarika Phone: +44 (0)118 940 4141 (work) Senior Quantitative Analyst +44 (0)118 946 1659 (home) Econostat NewQuant Limited Fax: +44 (0)118 940 4099 Hennerton House, Wargrave, RG10 8PD, U.K. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="neep.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Neep Hazarika Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="neep.vcf" Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:neep.vcf 10 (TEXT/ttxt) (000D38DF) The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE*
RE: from The Washington Post
Thanks Kamna. And yes, yes! I do think of her very highly in every respect like you (and the article also) said..just got caught up withher still young and beautifullooks and forgot to mention those important things. :) I envy you all for being able to see all the good things that happen in NY-including the Broadway. It was good to hear from you. Regards,--Alpana. From: "Kamna Das" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: from The Washington Post Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:45:28 -0500 Hi Alpana, She did look the same to me. All i can say is that she is very beautiful, eloquent and knowledgeable. I went to hear her lecture hosted by the Asia society, there was a house packed audience and she addressed the issues very well. There were lot of youngsters of Indian origin and it was good to see them.I saw many of her movies which were shown in the New York film festival. there too there was packed house. I really like her and am happy that she is honored as an Actress and as an Activist. Kamna -----Original Message- From: Alpana B. Sarangapani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 1:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: from The Washington Post Doesn't she (Shabana Azmi) still look the same, like she did 20 years ago? We sort of grew up seeing her acting, but now seeing her, people will think she is younger than us! :) While on the topic :), did anyone see the movie 'Dil Hai Tumhara', where Rekha (and Preity Zinta et el) acted? Didn't Rekha look just gorgeous - so graceful and beautiful at the same time! One of these days I will let y'll know the names of my role models - both public and "private" figures. :) An Indian Muslim, in the Spotlight for Her Liberal Stands advertisement <javascript:void(0)><javascript:void(0)> Shabana Azmi, an actress, activist and lawmaker who considers herself a secular liberal, argues that India's strength is in its composite identity. (Family Photo) _Archives_ * Read Nora Boustany's previous Diplomatic Dispatches columns. Add Diplomatic Dispatches to your personal home page. _News From India_ * The Blot on India's Economic Map (The Washington Post, Nov 8, 2002) * Incomplete Reforms Hobble Economic Growth in India (The Washington Post, Nov 6, 2002) * Indian Police Kill Gunmen At Crowded Shopping Mall (The Washington Post, Nov 4, 20! 02) * More News from India E-Mail This Article Printer-Friendly Version Subscribe to The Post By Nora Boustany Friday, November 8, 2002; Page A24 When a leading Muslim cleric in New Delhi called on Indian Muslims to join the jihad in Afghanistan last year, Indian actress and activist Shabana Azmi, a Muslim and an appointed senator, suggested in a nationally televised interview that it would be no problem to air-drop the robed cleric into Kandahar to wage his holy war there. No less sensational was the fiery response of the shahi imam of Jama Masjid, one of the leading imams of New Delhi: "I won't respond to singing, dancing whores." The exchange produced a "a six-foot high pile of mail, 80 percent of it from Muslims relieved that I had spoken out for moderate liberals," Azmi said in an interview Monday. She was in Washington over the weekend to perform an Indian play inspired by A.R. Gurney's "Love Letters" and adapted by Javed Siddiqui into Hindustani, the commonly spoken Urdu vernacular. In the latest stop on their fourth U.S. tour in 10 years, Azmi and her counterpart Farooque Shaikh performed "Tumhari Amrita" at the Ronald Reagan Building amphitheater Sunday to a full house. The staying power of the funny and poignant chronicle of two people who would not come together, and yet could not stay apart, is due not only to the script but also to the relevance of what is happening in India today, with religious tensions tearing at a social fabric interwoven with a common heritage and traditions. Both actors come from the scarred western state of Gujarat, where 14 people were wounded in Hindu-Muslim riots yesterday and more than 1,000 perished earlier this year in inter-communal violence. "We have to make sure that in the process of healing, justice is done," Azmi said on her last day here. "Tolerant people should stop acting as cannon fodder for wily politicians. The mistake the liberal seculars made [in India] was that by not occupying any religious space, they allowed the religious extremists to occupy it all. It is too dangerous to leave religion in the hands of zealots, particularly after September 11." Often referred to as the Vanessa Redgrave of India because of her activism on behalf of the poor and the rights of women, Azmi was born to Kaifi
Re: Sondrokanto Obhidhaan
That is brilliant. It explains why some people in Assam says: 'Bhaat xaalaa?', instead of 'Bhaat khaala?'.Some also say 'aami Okhomiya', or even 'aami Ohomiya',instead of 'aami Oxomiya' and we thought that was because of their "background" - not being prejudiced or anything,but presenting the facts, okay, please!. I guess they follow the Hindi/Maitheli speaking people.. Thank you for sending it to us, C'da. From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sondrokanto Obhidhaan Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:04:30 -0600 Raiz: Saurav sent the following. Netters might find it interesting, in relation to the various sounds of the Assamese alphabet, as laid down in Sondrokanto Obhidhaan by Debanondo Bhorali in 1932. you may find the following interesting: http://student.physics.upenn.edu/~saurav/ussaron/ the digital copies are not very good, but readable. the files are big too. Saurav also wrote:" ---it uses the letter "x" to denote the "xo" sound. so the use of the letter "x" is not as recent as some of us would like to believe. apparently, bhorali wrote the first book on assamese linguistics in 1912." cm Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.
Re: help
Hello! Actually, there are 4 time zones in the "main land" US - Pacific, Mountain, Central and Eastern. Alaska,Hawaii, and Peurto Rico have their own time zones as well - Alaska Time Zone, Hawaii-Aleutian Time Zone (no daylight saving), and Atlantic Time Zone (no daylight saving), respectively. Please see these two sites for more details. http://www.worldtimezone.com/time-usa1.htm http://www.time.gov/ With best wishes,--A. Sarangapani (From Houston, Texas - a state that falls into the Central Time Zone). From: "mridul bhuyan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: help Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 10:04:41 +0530 Will anybody please let me know the three time zones in USA and about the time differences in between the zones. I shall be highly obliged. Mridul Bhuyan POWERGRID New Delhi _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
Re: Bill da mamla ya dil da mamla?
Itstillis going tobe wonderful to see the schoolswith computers, and to seethe kids getting a chance to see the world.. From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: D Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: ASSAMNETCOLORADO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Bill da mamla ya dil da mamla? Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 02:00:05 +0800 (SGT) [ From: D Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] [ Date: Nov 13, 2002 09:26 (-0800) ] it is an investment to get Indians to use Windows in stead of Linux. It is an investment for the distant you are absolutely spot on with this one. billy boy is almost peeing in his pants at the prospect of a few hundred million kids waiting to use linux. i am sure that this trip of his was hurriedly put together as a damage control measure rather than the philanthropic outburst it is made out to be, specially so, when it comes close on the heels of a central government of india announcement a few weeks back that all government departments ought to be using open-source software. /amlan. Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.
Re: Of dude uncles and Grown-ups
*** What about it Alpana? I have no qualification to advise people on such issues. I Hi C'da: I am not asking you to advise anybody. But since you're asking, you can do onelittle favor:simply stop analyzingthings in a defensive manner, like you did here: - to a teacher. In fairness to SoBo , Alpana's charge about himcalling her dad's friend a smart-alec, has no merit at all. SoBO might From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Of dude uncles and Grown-ups Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:46:10 -0600 --what about-respect or decency as any civil person, if not a typical Indian (oops! Assamese) with values? *** What about it Alpana? I have no qualification to advise people on such issues. I spoke my little part in my first response to SoBo. I used up all I had. And I attempt to do as I would have done to me. Beyond that it is upto the wisdom of netters. And if my arguments and examples registered only as 'baare-bongoluwa'( gobledy-gook) , that should tell everyone what it is worth :-). c-da At 11:38 AM -0600 11/19/02, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: Okay, C'da. Since you will never give up :) and give 'baare-bongoluwa' (no disrespect here, sincerely), examples to make a point, what about the keyword we seem to forget here: respect or decency as any civil person, if not a typical Indian (oops! Assamese) with values? From: Chan Mahanta To: "shantikam hazarika" , [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Of dude uncles and Grown-ups Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 08:23:47 -0600 That was interesting. Which means these so called "adults" actually never grew up. The way grown up people have started using profanities in their every day talks, I was just wondering why. I am sure the youngsters out there are more guarded in their conversation. That is a culturally challenging/challenged question :-). What an oxomiya bhodrolok might consider immature, an American grown up may not at all consider so. The word 'dude' is not a pejorative term. It might be to a kharkhowa bhodrolok. But Americans, EVEN adults call people they know well 'dude', sometimes in jest, sometimes as a conversational address. It is akin to calling someone 'oi aapa' at Guwahati. Maybe the director of a management institute won't call his buddy that, might be beneath his dignity to be so casual, but this kharkhowa calls many of his 50 plus old friends that and more, and vicey versa :-). Are we not grown up then ? Maybe not. People do ask me what I want to be when *I* grow up :-). But all this has nothing to do with SoBo calling KJD or SH 'dude'.CM does not mind being called that. He was chastised for name calling, he apparently understood and apologized. Now if we continue to hound him, a normal person might lash right back. I did, at college once - to a teacher. In fairness to SoBo , Alpana's charge about him calling her dad's friend a smart-alec, has no merit at all. SoBO might have had no idea, who SH might be, Alpana's dad's friend, or AIM director. Similarly he might not have had any idea how old KJD is or CM is. That is why, when the persons are MUTUAL STRANGERS, one ought to be grown up enough to be able to DIREGARD such transgressions of cultural niceties. Otherwise there will be little difference between the offenders and the offended. But somehow, I have this nagging feeling, that the 'urohi gosor wr' resides somewhere else :-). Best. m At 10:33 AM +0530 11/19/02, shantikam hazarika wrote: From: "Alpana Sarangapani" BTW: those young people in India who might think American slangs like dude, Yo, etc. are very common here, I have news for you. These slangs were usedby youngsters a few years ago, but as soon as adults started using these, they are not considered hip by teens here anymore. That was interesting. Which means these so called "adults" actually never grew up. The way grown up people have started using profanities in their every day talks, I was just wondering why. I am sure the youngsters out there are more guarded in their conversation. Our kids here still (and will always) address their parents' friends with respect and usually refer them as "uncle" or "auntie".Here we have now the tendency of younger people addressing elder strangers as "Khura". So whenever a group of youngsters come to me for Jhulan Jatra Saanda or Bihur Saanda, they address me as Khura. At least they do not address me as "Koka" or the other version, " Oy boorha". Shantikam Hazarika STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
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for the ones that are interested in movies that are made about the NRIs Did you all hear about this movie directed by Deepa Mehta? I think it is going to be a good one. Rahul Khanna (Vinod K's younger son), and the pretty girl, Lisa Ray acted in it. I saw some trailers, look very interesting..another one of those movies that shows "cultural clash" amongst the hindu parents and children (sad incidents included) but later with a beautiful ending.. http://www.writersfest.com/public_index.asp?LID=214PTYPE=Event http://www.fortissimo.nl/catalogue/title.asp?filmID=138 Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
Re: Naxals
Thank you, Hazarika. I was dead wrong about their origin. I think they are only "alive" in Andhra now. And you are right, Assam does get all the adverse publicity, doesn't she? C'da: sorry for misinforming you all. See, because of my 'taan' towards South India, I even tried to give this undue credit to them for this terrorist activities (as much asI, as many do, hate it)too. But except for that what I said about them is still thetruth. :) :) From: "shantikam hazarika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Naxals Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:57:50 +0530 message3.txt STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* The Naxals are from Naxalbari in North Bengal where the movement supposed to habve originated. i remember as a student in the late fifties when traveliing by the metre guage Awadh Tirhut Mail from lacknow to Amingaon (which took full 48 hours!). Naksalbari station used to come and because of the way it was written in bengali script I used to pronounce it as Na-kasaalbaari. It was quite a sleepy railway station and we were quite surprised when we found that non-descript station lending its name to a whole movement. By the way the PWG has been active for a pretty long time and its writ runs over large tracts of Andhra and also South Maharashtra where the local administartion is almost non-existent from what has beentold to me even by Government officials. In fact it is as good or as bad as in Assam, but Assam gets more adverse publicity. Shantikam hazarika From: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Andhra too? Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:28:22 -0600 Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.
Re: Photos from Assam
Very NICE, C'da. Was there an old batch of photos? I missed it. It was good to see the 'Modar', 'xunaru' and the 'bhet ful' - perfect pictures. What camera did you use? Was it a still camera or digital? They werevery clear, beautiful and looked professional. Well, you did win the 'best picture' prize from Time magazine once, didn't you? AKN used a Nikon for some photos that he sent us before, even the dew spots were visible, very nice. thank you for informing us. From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Photos from Assam Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:55:30 -0600 A new batch of Assam photos, by yours truly, at: http://www.beautifulassam.com/ Hope netters will enjoy them. cm MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.
Re: From the AT/ Bandwidth Banes of the IT Nation
I am not being caustic or anything, C'da. But who do you blame for this, the Central government? Is it any better in any other states? or even in Delhi - honest questions, honest!! :) From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: From the AT/ Bandwidth Banes of the IT Nation Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:37:45 -0600 Disruptions hit N-E Internet services By A Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, Nov 25 - It is now almost five years since the Internet service was launched first in Assam then in other North East states. Still, for the common user, logging in is hardly as smooth as it should have been. "Web-page can't be found," "connection with the server can't be established" are the two phrases that haunt the Internet users in the region day in and day out. Although there has been a rapid growth in the netizen population in the region during the last few years, the Internet service has not improved. Frequent disruptions in the connectivity has demoralised the lot of Internet cafe owners in the region, most of who are well-educated first generation entrepreneurs. "Frequent disruption in connections result in fat telephone bills at the end of the month which has been a bane for us. Moreover, we have to digest the caustic remarks from the aggrieved customers (internet users) for no fault of us," says Nikunja Sharma, a cyber cafe owner in the city. All the internet service provider in the region have failed to improve the data transfer speed at a consistent level to minimise the agony of the users who are hit by wastage of money, time and energy due to below per Internet service available in the region. The main problem is the frequent variation of the bandwidth provided by the various Internet Service Providers (ISPs). It is a case of giving a larger number of connections that are not in proportion to the bandwidth available. This leads to either very low data transfer speed or frequent disruptions at the expense of the user. The ISPs here have miserably failed to maintain the data transfer speed measured in bits per second (BPS) as promised by them while giving a connection to a user. In fact, in view of fast increasing netizen population there is urgent need on part of the ISPs to enhance there infrastructure to improve the quality of service bringing it to at least the level prevalent in the rest of the country. However, the ISPs seem to be oblivious of the need. A cross section of cyber-cafe owners in the city alleged that recently a private ISP claimed to have installing 'extra line' to boost the data transfer speed while increasing the monthly connection fees. However, the speed has 'decreased' instead of getting increased. Unless the connectively problems that are dogging Internet service in the region, are not removed the Central government's ambitious project to put the landlocked North Eastern region in the global IT map through the newly set up Computer Information Centres (CICs) will never take off. MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.
Fw: **An Exquisite Gathering of Persons of Indian Heritage**
- Original Message - From: Ram Narayanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2002 10:54 AM Subject: **An Exquisite Gathering of Persons of Indian Heritage** India is rolling out a red carpet for its expatriates living in more than 110 countries of the world. To celebrate the success of the 20 million Non Resident Indians (NRI's) and Persons of Indian Origin (PIOs), the government of India has organized the first-ever conference in New Delhi on January 9, 10 and 11, 2003 (Pravasi Bharatiya Divas). The government has teamed with the highly respected national trade organization called Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FICCI) to help organize the event. Attending this conference is a must if you are interested in exploring business opportunities in India or abroad, networking with government officials or other NRI's, or simply to have a great time fun. The Indian Prime Minister, Deputy Prime Minister and their senior colleagues will be there as will be top civil service officials and a number of Chief Ministers (equivalent of Governors in the United States). But that is just the start. There will be business executives, Nobel laureates and a gallery of entertainment legends, including Dilip Kumar, Waheeda Rehman, Sushmita Sen, Aishwarya Rai, Amitabh Bachhan, Javed Akhtar, Shahrukh Khan, Lata Mangeshkar, to name some of them. For Indian Americans, this conference provides a special opportunity. There is an increasing understanding and appreciation for India's role on the international stage. Getting a first hand look at what is happening in India will help you foster closer US-India relationships, a process in which you may already be playing an important role. The conference also provides a unique environment for you to meet other like-minded people. On the second and third day of the conference, several breakout sessions have been planned. They cover areas such as Information Technology, Science Technology, Health Care, Hospitality and Tourism, Financial Sevices, etc. Another session which could be of much interest to Indian Americans is entitled Opportunities in Defense and Homeland Security RD. This session aims to explore how you can tap the huge Indian and American markets - mostly focusing on government customers - by setting up RD operations in India. It will help you tap into the well educated Indian talent at an affordable cost. At the session you will meet the top brass from the Indian Ministry of Defence as well as executives from defense companies in India. *For more information on the Defense and Homeland Security session you can contact the session chairman, Sharad Marathe, through e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] *. Be sure to indicate your areas of expertise and where you see specific opportunities that could be further developed. The conference caters to a variety of interests. For example: if you are interested in art and heritage, you will find notable display items brought in from leading Indian museums specially for this occasion. You will be proud to know that India was a leader in the fields of science, mathematics, architecture and the like going back several centuries . This knowledge has been captured in a number of books written in Sanskrit. The catch is how many of us know Sanskrit? The Indian government has put in considerable effort and resources into translating these great works of knowledge and scholarly contributions into English. Perhaps you will be interested in learning more about this initiative. The 20 million strong Indian community has done well for itself accounting for an economic output of over $400 billion through hard work and ingenuity. Those attending the New Delhi conference will have a huge opportunity to network amongst themselves in areas of mutual interests. The conference planners are providing a mechanism to help make this happen. Registration fee is $200 for adults. Students get a 50% discount. To get more information, log on to http://www.indiaday.org/nri/index.htm. The website has a registration form. Contact points: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Everyone knows that China today is developing very rapidly. A lot of this happened because of the early initiatives taken by Non Resident Chinese. Similarly many Indian Americans have been active in setting up businesses in India but this effort has merely revealed the enormous potential of such collaboration. The track record has yielded mixed results so far. As such, the Indian government is working determinedly to remove the obstacles such that both people of Indian heritage living abroad and India will be able to realize the full potential of their collaborative enterprise, and enable the country to assume its rightful place in the community of great nations . Most of all, this conference provides you with a tremendous opportunity to reconnect with your Motherland. Best wishes, Ram Narayanan US India Friendship http://www.usindiafriendship.net
Re: Sentinel Editorial
Hi C'da: ones. The convicted ones, the ones with a stained character, those who are transferred to Guahati as PUNISHMENT , 'paapor pryositto'. And that too done openly after a public announcement of the punishment. Nothing subtle Look at the nerve of those people to even think that being transferred to Gauhati is a punishment. What do they think of it? and why? Before it was "a place where you can get malaria, it is a jungle, and it is in Burma - not in India" (talk about ignorance! ), now what? Anyway, what is so wrong with Gauhati? Do they think that it is the place where they can not commit any kind of 'paap' anymore - (thus it is a sacred place)? or do they think'paapi's like them should live in Gauhati? From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bharat B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sentinel Editorial Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:35:21 -0600 The common people in Assam are not outraged about the current controversy of the transfer of judges. ** First off, it is not about transfer of ANY judge. It is about the SOILED ones. The convicted ones, the ones with a stained character, those who are transferred to Guahati as PUNISHMENT , 'paapor pryositto'. And that too done openly after a public announcement of the punishment. Nothing subtle at all. Now then, let us take the issue of outrage one step at a time. I have no grounds to dispute the comment "--The common people in Assam are not outraged--". Maybe they are ignorant of its ramifications. May be they have been desensitized. Maybe they have no sense of self-respect. But what about YOU? Does it matter to you? Do you care? I do. Unfortunately my concerns do not count any more. I left long ago. Assuming YOU do care, why should we think you are an exception? That you care, but others are apathetic? But I won't say that could not happen. I'll have to take your word for it. But those who DO know the difference, have a responsibility of pointing it out to their fellow men as a civic duty. Don't they? Shouldn't they? Are the current crop of Judges in Guahati High court are upright? I see politics in the whole episode. ** I have no clue. But I don't need to. We must start with the principle first. Should the the judiciary of a state in a federal republic be appointed by an imperial power, from afar, and that on the basis of THEIR perception as to who deserves a qualified individual with integrity and who don't? If there is truth to the Sentinel Editorial, then we know the colonial rulers have decided, Assam is a destination to which only the candidates for PUNISHMENT or the incompetent is set aside. Is that an acceptable situation? ** Once we are past the conceptual stage, the stage that deals with the principles, then we can go into the merits or lack thereof of the individuals. I have no clue about who Mongiia might be or what his credentials or baggages might be. It is a secondary issue. It is the principle--that the people of Assam have a right to CHOOSE WHO will be the judges to adjudicate conflicts in their highest court, that is crucial. An imperial center has no right to usurp that right is how I see it. I would submit, Assam has more than enough of a field of highly qualified people of the best of integrity to man those positions. Would you not? Finally, Assam high court judges are NOT the only positions that are destinations for the discredited, the corrupt, or the inept. It has been a well known fact for decades that many a civil servant has been sent to Assam as punishment too. And if not SENT as a punishment, at least has been viewed as such by the individuals on the recieving end of such postings. Should Assam not wake up to it? Or pretend it is an accident, and there is not a pattern set over decades to these? cm At 6:08 PM -0500 12/3/02, Bharat B wrote: The common people in Assam are not outraged about the current controversy of the transfer of judges. Are the current crop of Judges in Guahati High court are upright? I see politics in the whole episode. Where were the Bar Associations when their sons and daughters were given legitimacy by Judge Mongia declaring tainted APSC exams to be valid? Only a few unemployed meritorious poor youth burnt his effigy in Judges' field. Judge Mongia is a respected person in Assamese high society. Ironically, his relatives are also involved in PPSC scam! Where were these editors then? If Judge Mongia is good for Assam, why not these two new judges? I know one wrong will not make two wrong rights, but the common man in the street can see the hypocrisy of the Bar Association and the so called Assamese intellectuals! From: Chan Mahanta To: D Deka CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Sentinel Editorial Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:15:00 -0600 At 8:21 AM -0800 12/3/02, D Deka wrote: Do not despair. There is light at the end of the tunnel. Dilip: By
Re: Save Amcheng Reserve forest near Guwahati.............
but the destruction of forests in Assam is not by the stupid illeterate village folks. Yes! and Umesh-ji, 'aap pe ye umid nehi thaa' (did I say it right? but anyway I thinkyou know what I mean). Whatever and whenever (bad) thingshappen in India, it is not the doing of the "stupid illeterate village folks", but of the "smart folks". Those village folksare the poorest victims - poorer than the common folks from the cities, like you and I. It was expected that a person with your understanding would know better than looking at the surface and passing a comment of this sort,that too when you are still living there. At 10:50 AM -0500 12/10/02, Bharat B wrote: I do not know where you from, but the destruction of forests in Assam is not by the stupid illeterate village folks. It is being systematically done by the rich contractors, businessman, politicians in nexus with the forest officials. There is also allegation that even the army is peddling these illegal wood in the northeast. From: umesh sharma To: Jyoti Rupam Dutta , assam mail Subject: Re: Save Amcheng Reserve forest near Guwahati. Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:29:44 + (GMT) my heart goes out to these forests -- these stupid short sighted illiterate village folk -- do not know that thanks to them -- the forests will go and like in Rajasthan nowadays -- no rain for last 4 years - and in Soimalia -for the same reason - no rain for the last 20 years -- then what will their children do?? - With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE*
Re: comments
taking the bull by the horn (sic) (shouldn't that behorns?)Actually I was talikng about an one-horned bull:-). Anyway, thanks forcorrecting my grammar.As you will recognize, English is a second languagefor me, and I was trained only in an Assamese medium school. I try to Isn't this a petty thing to be addressed and that too in this fashion by a famous journalist that many of uslook upto? From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: sanjoy hazarika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: comments Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:31:29 -0600 Dear Hazarika: Thanks for your note again. I have taken the liberty of copying the assam-net on my response, even though yours was a private note to me, because it is part of an on-going net discussion. taking the bull by the horn (sic) (shouldn't that be horns?) Actually I was talikng about an one-horned bull:-). Anyway, thanks for correcting my grammar.As you will recognize, English is a second language for me, and I was trained only in an Assamese medium school. I try to learn, but don't always make the grade. At any event, we don't really care about the grammar,spelling or syntax or other such concerns of the English major or a professional journalist . It is the substance of the discussion that we care about, at least in our net discussions and debates. Luckily for us we HAVE broken away from the burdens of colonialism, which still holds the English language proficient in India a few cuts above those who are not. by one person does not mean that the other person is sidestepping the issue or not being blunt. i doubt if anyone who knows me would make such a remark. *** You are right. If *I* had known that you actually did believe that sending tainted judges as a punishment to Assam high-court, or elevating one to a higher position, is not only wrong but also is an insult to the people of Assam and the NE, I might not have suggested that you were side-stepping the issue. But I didn't. I still don't know that. You only suggested that the Sentinel writes bad editorials and that they were being hysterical about the issue. All we have here is to go by what YOU wrote. I do realize you are a public person. In fact your book, Strangers of the Mist, was my first primer on the insurgencies of the NE and I found it very useful. In fact I got four copies of it , about eight or ten years back, and sent them to other firends. But that does not mean *I* or anyone else could read your mind, or be expected to KNOW what you might have meant. those who know me know also that i am far from diplomatic in my responses, writing and work. *** I don't hold diplomacy or civility as undsirable traits. Nor am I an adherent of in-your-face styles of communicating, even though I too am guilty of that time to time. However if low-key communication styles either hide or obfuscate the meaning of what we are trying to convey, it becomes quite useless, in fact counter-productive. -- it is a question of what the person involved/concerned believes is the right approach to the problem/issue, in his concept of the whole picture or what little he/she may see of the picutre. which is to say that we are all a little right and probably a whole lot more wrong. *** I would agree with you on that. In fact I surmised as much. And that was why I pointed out what I did. Of course I recognize and respect your right to your beliefs. However I don't agree with it, and I pointed out WHY, without expecting anyone accept it, just because *I* said so. Hope you have a good trip to Assam. Do share with us your thoughts, when and if you care to. Best. cm PS to Assam Netters: I did make a mistake about the confirmation process of state supreme ct. judges in thge USA. Only the state senate confirms the nominees of the giovernor. At 3:46 PM + 12/11/02, sanjoy hazarika wrote: a brief response. i am currently in guwahati en route to upper assam. taking the bull by the horn (sic) (shouldn't that be horns?) by one person does not mean that the other person is sidestepping the issue or not being blunt. i doubt if anyone who knows me would make such a remark. those who know me know also that i am far from diplomatic in my responses, writing and work. so it is not a question fo sidestepping -- it is a question of what the person involved/concerned believes is the right approach to the problem/issue, in his concept of the whole picture or what little he/she may see of the picutre. which is to say that we are all a little right and probably a whole lot more wrong. sanjoy __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.
Re: Some Answers -1
Hi C'da: I will be short and just touch the 'Corruption' issue today. under its fingers is totally impotent about doing anything about it, to establish accountability, to show deterrence; is it not likely to be emulated by everyone down the ladder? Yes, thats what you keep saying. But, why? Why it has to emulated by everyone? What happen to their 'nijottwo', their own values? Just because somebody is dancing around on the street in Delhi, why should they do it in at their homeland, and that too at the cost of the breaking apart that homeland? And I thought you are for us/them not to follow Delhi? Why is it okay to follow them on this matter? Or is it okay to follow them when there is a "need", like alame excuse for their own doings? From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Some Answers -1 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:09:41 -0600 Hi A: Here I am, hopefully with some answers to your questions. First, about peace in Nagaland etc. You asked: Also, is there a possibility that at least three NE sisters (Manipur, Assam and Arunachal) will get into an "argument" and even might forget that they are sisters, if the "demand for unification of Naga inhabitated areas spread across three States" is accepted? *** I am not trained in the predictive sciences, but my layman's guess is that IF a SEPARATE PEACE is foisted, WITHOUT the involvement of Manipur, Assam and Arunachal in forging it, together, it is not merely likely, but almost a certainty that it would neither be peace nor would it last. On the issue of Assam's troubles, I agree with your observations, generally. But you left out the most significant one: That of the unabated migration of people into Assam and the NE, not merely B'deshi illegals, but also the 'legal' desi one as well who have monopolized economic powers under a 'controlled' economy. I was not there, but I believe that was the single most significant factor that finally moved the people of Assam to rise. Wasn't that so? And tell me what you see as having been done for its abatement. Also look at the Sentinel's Editorial II on the subject today, where Delhi's role is discussed. I don't agree with some of the opinions . But it is dead right on Delhi's duplicity. You keep asking about independence, even though I answered this a number of times before, and will answer it again: I don't believe that independence alone will solve anything. However, independence COULD allow Assam to fashion its own destiny, by drastically changing the way of governing itself. But that could NOT happen if an independent Assam settles down to the same dysfunctional system that India has been groaning under. Look at Mizoram. After decades of insurgency, and hundreds of thousands of lives lost, they settled for peace. But has anything changed? From what I hear in Assam net, precious little has. Yes, their complaints DID register, India did relent on some issues. But they got to keep the same INFECTED Indian system, and they are sick again. On the other hand, if under a devolved system of powers,Assam is allowed to fashion its system of governance WITHIN the union, to break out of the broken Indian system, then there could be hope for change. Corruption: We have dealt with this time and again. I am sure you will agree that corruption is not a genetically ordained condition. We are not born corrupt. But in the Indian governance there is NO functioning system of exacting accountability. If your Minister of This or That helps herself to a sizable portion of the 60% taken off the top of development funds, and promptly settles down to conspicuous consumption, never mind even the impression of acquiring wealth grossly disproportionate to known source of income, what happens? How many central power figures have you seen held accountable? If the Center with ALL of the significant powers of state under its fingers is totally impotent about doing anything about it, to establish accountability, to show deterrence; is it not likely to be emulated by everyone down the ladder? Here is what Chandrababu Naidu told BBC's indophile correspondent Mark Tully ( in India Abroad, Jan 10):" I have been saying from the beginning--that the states should have more power. There will be coalition govts. in the center for some time now, so this is the time for decentralization, but nothing is happening. Even for small things we are dependent on Delhi and Delhi does nothing. We must decentralize at the national level, but we must also decentralize at the state level. -" BTW, this is just one of
Re: Some Answers -1
'ghus'." You have hit the nail on the head here. You are talking here about CONSEQUENCES, of accountability, of deterrence. I agree with you 100% that this must be there, to demonstrate that corrupt behavior does NOT pay, that it is NOT rewarded. the BIG question here is ON WHAT BASIS should someone be "fired"? Because she has a big house, apparently beyond the means of known source of income? Because his neighbor thinks or believes he is corrupt? Because a govt. informer fingers him as corrupt? Because the neighbors believe she is one? Or because the nieghborhood 'dadas' have decided so? Or MUST it be established thru due processes; investigated, prosecuted and adjudicated in accordance with the laws of the land? What is your answer Alpana? And I also hope you would not forget to tell us WHO you think hold the ultimate responsibilities in these matters? c-da - Original Message - From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:04 AM Subject: Re: Some Answers -1 Hi A; Yes, thats what you keep saying. But, why? Why it has to emulated by everyone? What happen to their 'nijottwo', their own values? -- Just because somebody is dancing around on the street in Delhi, why should they do it in at their homeland, and that too at the cost of the breaking apart that homeland? *** WHY? I don't know the answer. That is for sociologists, psychologists and philosophers to address. I am not skilled to delve into that. All I can tell you is what I see happening. My question to you is this: Do you think what I was suggesting has merit? Or if my diagnosis is incorrect? If I am wrong about it, as you imply, WHAT is your assessment? WHY do YOU think it is so? And I thought you are for us/them not to follow Delhi? Why is it okay to follow them on this matter? Or is it okay to follow them when there is a "need", like a lame excuse for their own doings? *** Did I say it is OK? Or did I even imply it is OK? It seems you are jumping to conclusions here. It is like concluding that if a person is opposed to the death penalty, that person must condone homicide. It does not work like that Alpana. I thought you knew that. Anyway, the point is that they DO EMULATE Delhi. Do you think it is not so? Or do you think it is their unique characteristic ? Regardless of whether it is emulating the Delhi culture, or it is an uniquely Assamese creation and/or characeristic; it IS a fact. Question is how do you propose rectifying it? That is the MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE here, wouldn't you agree? Just so we don't digress, I would like to note that he ball is on your court now :-). I will await your views, before we go into other issues. c-da *** * *** At 1:04 PM -0600 1/13/03, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: Hi C'da: I will be short and just touch the 'Corruption' issue today. under its fingers is totally impotent about doing anything about it, to establish accountability, to show deterrence; is it not likely to be emulated by everyone down the ladder? Yes, thats what you keep saying. But, why? Why it has to emulated by everyone? What happen to their 'nijottwo', their own values? Just because somebody is dancing around on the street in Delhi, why should they do it in at their homeland, and that too at the cost of the breaking apart that homeland? And I thought you are for us/them not to follow Delhi? Why is it okay to follow them on this matter? Or is it okay to follow them when there is a "need", like a lame excuse for their own doings? From: Chan Mahanta To: "Alpana Sarangapani" , Subject: Some Answers -1 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:09:41 -0600 Hi A: Here I am, hopefully with some answers to your questions. First, about peace in Nagaland etc. You asked: Also, is there a possibility that at least three NE sisters (Manipur, Assam and Arunachal) will get into an "argument" and even might forget that they are sisters, if the "demand for unification of Naga inhabitated areas spread across three States" is accepted? *** I am not trained in the predictive sciences, but my layman's guess is that IF a SEPARATE PEACE is foisted, WITHOUT the involvement
Re: Kamrupi Sahitya Sabha
Is Alpana Aiti one too ? No. Just a plain Assamese thatlikes to give people a chanceand the benefit ofdoubts. This is not to imply that everybody elseis not doing just that. :) From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Rabin Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, AssamLuitporia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Kamrupi Sahitya Sabha Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:23:19 -0600 Thanks for finally clearing things up r-baap. Some of us were under the impression that you were talikng about the 'xo' sound in the Assamese language. Now we know--you were talikng about the Kamrupi language, (where the 'xo' sound does not exist?) and its revival, complete with its own distinct script set. I hope talking the gripe out of your system will also help obviate your getting annoyed with those who were talikng about using the Roman 'x' in representing the Oxomiya 'xo' sound. BTW, what is the Kamrupi equivalent of the word "Oxomiya' ? Is it Osomi or Asami or some such term? Or maybe it does not exist since Oxom is a new word and none such existed in the hey-day of Brihottor Kamrup ? In his email Dilip Deka has suggested /sa/ for Assamese please go for it and this is how Kamrupi uses. *** Aha, so Dilip Deka also is an ancient Kamrupi revivalist? Should have known. Is Alpana Aiti one too ? c-baap In his email Dilip Deka has suggested /sa/ for Assamese please go for it and this is how Kamrupi uses. At 8:59 AM -0800 1/17/03, Rabin Deka wrote: Any I wrote technical in the past were corret. But I killed my time that was not I supposed to do. Kamrupi is a phoneme disceplined language. Rabin Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi r-baap, It was a mistake from my side killing times for mo reasons, and technical terms I used were un-intentional. *** We all make mistakes. If that was what it was, no sweat. And even if it was not a mistake but an obscure technical minutiae thrown at a discussion of lay-folks, either to show who is boss, or to distract from the issue at hand, it still is no sweat. The thoughtful would not take it as anything worse than an immature reaction of an adult in an intellectual tight spot, trying to wiggle out using a technicality. The point however, as Dilip Deka aptly put forward, is what your own answer might be related to the issue, which obviously resonates with you. We still did not get an answer. Explanation of what a phoneme is was not what Dilip sought, if I might interpret his intentions. It was a bit o! f widely available information for anyone interested. Pardon me if I am getting 'leketa' ( sticky) like 'kothaal etha' ( jackfruit sap--an extremely sticky latex like sap) :-). c-baap Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now get 2 months FREE*
Re: Kamrupi Sahitya Sabha
justyears of training (from you, especially) in Assam Net. :) From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Kamrupi Sahitya Sabha Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:05:40 -0600 This is not to imply that everybody else is not doing just that. :) *** You would make a good corporate lawyer A. No. Just a plain Assamese that likes to give people a chance and the benefit of doubts. *** And a PR copywriter too. c-da :-) At 11:46 AM -0600 1/17/03, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: Is Alpana Aiti one too ? No. Just a plain Assamese that likes to give people a chance and the benefit of doubts. This is not to imply that everybody else is not doing just that. :) MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE*
Re: A letter from the AT
Those are your 'ispecial' buddies, C'da. :) with the Nagas, at the cost of Assam and all other native peopes' interests in the region, then there could be no peace. Oh, then at least you could see that, not just going with the flow..seven sisters are going to be fine, if everybody is well and fair. Btw, regarding yourmail the other day, if you called me an "anti-Assamese", that would be like, either you couldn't accept the facts, or making a conspiracyagainst me for some other reason/grudge that you might have against me :). But I figured, you knewbetter than that after reading all the mails that I wrote inall these years. :) From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: A letter from the AT Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:38:41 -0600 But Alpana, what T Saikia writes about is not counter to my own views as I expressed recently: That if the Center attempts to make a separate peace with the Nagas, at the cost of Assam and all other native peopes' interests in the region, then there could be no peace. G Pathak's article also validates my own perception of the Center's intrangisence in refusing to engage the ULFA in peace talks, except in its own terms, as if it Assam is its ancestral property. Finally, I don't know about my buddies' views though--they are a diverse lot. Just look at yourself. I consider YOU an assam-net buddy, but you don't at all agree with my views on these issues, do you ? c-da :-) At 12:20 AM -0600 1/24/03, Alpana Sarangapani wrote: Hi C'da: You might want to share this with your buddies and think about the impact it might have on Assam. -- Guwahati, Friday, January 24, 2003 LETTERS Greater Nagaland Sir, NSCN(I-M)s demand for Nagalim or Greater Nagaland as a part of the peace proposal and its decision not to compromise with the formula is a matter of serious concern for everyone of us living in Assam and for the people of Manipur and Arunachal Pradesh as well. Surprisingly, except for few students organisations like AJYCP and NSUI there seem to be no sharp reaction from our side against the demand so far. While the Chief Minister of Assam has made his stand very clear by saying that his government will not allow vivisection of Assam territory in the name of peace, we the people of Assam must rise to the occasion and give him full backing before it is too late. I am afraid, any soft paddling or Lahe Lahe attitude on our part over the issue might lead to serious consequences. I, therefore, appeal to the people of Assam in general and Assamese intelligentsia in particular to be alert and be ready to thwart such nefarious design to further truncate the State of Assam. Yours etc, T SAIKIA, Guwahati. MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.
Re: roads: the march goes on...
Way to go, India!! :) seriously, it is wonderful to know that it is happening. In 50 years time, I think India will be one of the most developed countries, and I wonder if I willlast that long..and be an 'aalor-burhi' being to close to 100..but anyway, good for the country. From: "deepjyoti kakati" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: roads: the march goes on... Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:06:27 +0530 PM flags off access-controlled Ahmedabad-Vadodara expway http://www.blonnet.com/stories/2003012800940600.htm Kerala firms up plan for 507km N-S expway http://www.blonnet.com/stories/2003012801511700.htm --- and meantime in another quadrant, brahmaputra and barak valley and engaged in fratricidal conflict on who gets the NSEW link. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE*
Re: From Sentinel
phobia. Assam should try to get the maximum mileage out of the issue through negotiation. Also, that is going to be good for millions of farmers that lose everything everyyearbecause ofthe perennial flood.Won't that be a bigrelief? From: D Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: Utpal Brahma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: From Sentinel Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 13:23:15 -0800 (PST) Yes I did follow the Cauvery row, from the beginning to the end. That's why I asked about the implication of new "man made" connections. If the interlinking does not hurt Assam any, Assam shouldn't fight it just on apprehension and phobia. Assam should try to get the maximum mileage out of the issue through negotiation. Don't you agree? Dilip Deka Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: D Deka said on AssamNet: +Or is there a constitutional requirement that states must share water resources without any financial benefit? did you follow the karnataka/tamil nadu row over the kaveri waters? and the supreme court order? -- saurav - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE*
Re: AGP against river interlink
A canal to gangetic valley will not resolve a flood problem..anyone beyond LKG already knows this. And I thought just the opposite - really thought that would take care of the miseries of my distant relatives in the villages. I have been thinking like the politicians lately (once more before). :) What is LKG? Looks like I am not 'beyond it'. :) From: "deepjyoti kakati" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: AGP against river interlink Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 02:49:13 +0530 http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/jan/30vina.htm I am not aware this is being marketed as a soln to flood problem or if the AGP imagines it as the case. A canal to gangetic valley will not resolve a flood problem..anyone beyond LKG already knows this. I am all for sending water to rest-of-india than bangladesh. food security is a must. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
Re: Question
You are right, it would be nice. But as C'da mentioned, Jugal is working on sortingand solving the problems with the list that we had before. So, let us see.. Nitin asked me to say 'thank you' to you on his behalf- for writing back to him.Hehas left for NZ yesterday - I was kind of busy with all the things that I needed to do with him. His heart is in Houston (America)though - still wants to join the Navy, somehow managed to postpone ittill he graduates. God! it has been so tough fighting with this boy for all the "issues" that he brings (he thinksI bring them :)). So the delay in sending this. Thank you. From: D Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Alpana Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], ASSAMNETCOLORADO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Question Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 09:22:36 -0800 (PST) Thank you, Nitin, for your interest and input. The Yahoo group idea is good and workable. It will be robust as a back up or even as the primary means. However it will get off the ground only if enough netters show interest and join the group. Are you writing from New Zealand or are you home? Dilip Uncle Alpana Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:Hello Dilip Uncle, This is Nitin writing through my mom's account. I manage the Assamese Youth mailing list with Yahoogroups. From my experience: 1. even if someone does not use the group for months, it will still be available/active. 2. Moderating it is a rather simple task as well. Yahoo has all the features necessary in a simple web-based layout. Also, from what I hear from my mom regarding some problems, there are two more advantages with Yahoogroups: 3. People have the choice of viewing messages in the archives and/or having the messages sent to their mailboxes, provided they are members. 4. Unlike the current Assam.net, with Yahoo, even for a person to send a message, membership is required. Sincerely,Nitin. - Original Message - From: D Deka To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; ASSAMNETCOLORADO Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 12:54 PMSubject: Question I have a question on yahoo groups. Let's say there is no activity in the yahoo group that Saurav started, for three months because we use Jugal's facility, will the yahoo group site stay active? In other words, without any activity, does the yahoo group stay alive? If it does then we can always fall back to it when Jugal's facility goes kaput. Otherwise it has to be kept alive by stoking it once in a while. Can some network specialist help us here? Dilip Deka - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
Re: Hyderabad MRTS
The per capita income in Assam in 1950-51 was 4% above the national average (Table-1) but as the time passed, it gradually came to the all India average level in 1954-55 and slipped down further in the The Assamese are knownas being simple, honest,straight-forward, and hard-working (even thoughsome of usdo it 'laahe-laahe' :)). They are unique - have class andaristocracy. So this good information does not surprise me. And theyknow how to live in STYLE - this is what I tell my husband. It does not matter, if they are rich or poor - they would havea separate living (we call it Drawing Room in Assam) room - not just sit, eat and sleep in the same room. In other states of India, I think, they consider this a luxury - or the thought itself is not there - unless they are rich and "educated". Well, many other things are there to talk about.. Only in last 20/25 years, the condition of the state has gone down-hill and with all the new technology, more conscious and smart people it was the time to cope up or even becomebetter than the other statessadly it tooka turn inthe wrong direction. We see some people are still doing good, but could have been better for "most" people economically and otherwise - if only, there was peace. From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: deepjyoti kakati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hyderabad MRTS Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:10:10 -0500 Chan Mahanta said on AssamNet: + take a look at the chart below. Assam is the 4TH LOWEST in + per capita income in ALL OF INDIA. this not comparing to any + particular city but entire states the per capita income for assam in 50-51 was near the top in the list of states. it has been coming down since then. this is from the assam-gov web page: http://assamgovt.nic.in/visionintro.htm The per capita income in Assam in 1950-51 was 4% above the national average (Table-1) but as the time passed, it gradually came to the all India average level in 1954-55 and slipped down further in the following years. In 1996-97 it stood at Rs.1628 which was 41% below the all India average of Rs.2761. the growth rate of the Gross Domestic product (GDP) in Assam (Table-2) since 1987 has been declining. While the all India growth rate of GDP during the period 1987 to 1999 has been around 65, in case of Assam it has been 3.7% in the beginning and has come down to 1.8% in 1998-99. MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE*
Re: Hyderabad MRTS
Hi C'da: caught in a missing manhole lid at Silpukhuri in a flooded section of the road. It would be funny, if not so sad.Is it something hard to see as a problem needing attention? Obviously not. You can see the plaintive letters to editors, call to the leaders of govt. So why does not the problem get resolved, or even attended to? Would you like to tell us why? Now tell me, these are little things, and could add up to a lot, BUT do they require Dili's sanction to make them happen? Would like to hear the answer from you on this too. From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Anjan K. Nath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Hyderabad MRTS Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:12:16 -0600 Anjan: We are talking of two entirely different animals: Assam Govt. and Assam entrepreuners. While both need each other, we cannot not lump them together if we are trying to understand their roles, responsibilities, resources and constraints and judge their performances. One of the biggest problems here lies smack dab in this fact of governmental getting into industrial/busioness undertakings. And govts. controlling or otherwise messing with private enterprise. Oh sure, there is a critical role to be played by the govt. in assisting and incubating start-up private enterprise in regions like Assam where capital does not exist. But we will look into that later. Dilip, Deepjyoti and many fine, kharkhowas are challenging Assam govt., Tarun Gogoi etc. to emulate the vast Indian governmental resurgence (pardon my sarcasm) personified by Chandrababu Naidu . The logic is, if Naidu CAN, why CAN't you ? Explanation for not performing is that they are corrupt and lazy. I find both the logic and the explanations extremely simplistic, products of intellectual laziness, to put it mildly :-). Let us examine the case of Guahati sidewalks for example -- forget about rapid transit. It is a crying shame. Seen the broken concrete covers , missing manhole lids, or just plain missing sections of covers over the sewers? Thousands of people walk over these daily, many at night in darkness. Sometimes they are flooded under. People fall thru them and DIE man, not just maimed.The Maruti we were being driven in last summer got caught in a missing manhole lid at Silpukhuri in a flooded section of the road. It would be funny, if not so sad. Is it something hard to see as a problem needing attention? Obviously not. You can see the plaintive letters to editors, call to the leaders of govt. all the time. So why does not the problem get resolved, or even attended to? You take your guesses. And I invite other netters to pitch in too. Let us see WHAT the reasons are for nothing happening. Maybe that will steer us towards understanding the 'dynamics of sloth' ( you heard it here first) :-). c At 7:18 PM +0800 2/20/03, Anjan K. Nath wrote: Chandan, No doubt Assam govenrments have left a lot to be desired. But it is not like that they can go get things done, EVEN if they tried. And I am not suggesting that they do not try. It would be very simplistic to assume they do not. ***Perhaps they do try, but do not try hard enough and persist; and even when they have a good thing going they do not follow it up and let things fall. Just to give you an example of one of the projects that I was involved in recently. A complete bamboo-working machinery demonstation unit was set up under the NEHDC (North Eastern Handloom Development Corporation) at Guwahati. Some local youths have made good use of the machines and have bagged export orders from France and other countries for flower sticks and other items. Now, when the NEHDC got an order (from Taiwan) for 10 tons of bamboo sticks per month, they kept quiet and refused to accept the order on grounds that they did not have the man-power and a constant supply of raw materials!!! Can you believe that? No bamboo in Assam!! What you or I can and should do is to attempt to understand the forces that have left Assam in the doldrums, and if we had any smarts to change things around then share those with them. ***Another very basic idea running amongst our people is that we cannot compete with the other Indians and the multi-nationals. TEA here is a glaring example. Then, we rather pay for "imported" fruit drinks (from Bangladesh) and stuff rather than grow our own fruits and have a proper fruit processing factory. The only notable fruit processing factory in Assam was "Frutos", owned by a Marwari and exporting to Russia and Europe, till he was forced out of business. The only organized fruit farming are the Banana Plantations in Goalpara and Mangaldoi areas, but even then bananas are quite expensive in the Guwahati market. Once in a while we hear of an enterprising youth cultivating mushrooms and bagging orders from
Re: [Assam] Brahmaputra water
newly emergent India's can-do leaders, do you really believe the project was shelved, because of B'Deshi 'reservations' ? Or do you think there were other more pressing reasons? You changed again. Didn't youcriticize India(whenthe first talk about linkingthe rivers came) in your previous mails saying something like: "no dredging, but linking the rivers! give me a break"? It shows again: whatever India does, is not good for you. That time you were 'against', because they were going to do it, now you are 'against' because they are NOT going to do it. How obvious (in your biasness) can you get, C'da? From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: D Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ASSAMNETCOLORADO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] Brahmaputra water Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 11:29:40 -0600 The proposal was placed before the Indo-Bangladesh Joint Rivers Commission. However, due to reservations expressed by the Government of Bangladesh, the proposal was not pursued further. After all the proclamations, including that of the PM, and the call of a newly emergent India's can-do leaders, do you really believe the project was shelved, because of B'Deshi 'reservations' ? Or do you think there were other more pressing reasons? At 9:14 AM -0800 2/26/03, D Deka wrote: In case you haven't read today's Assam Tribune. Like some of us suspected would be the case, the idea got nixed by Bangladesh. Plan to link Brahmaputra with Ganga shelved From Our Staff Correspondent NEW DELHI, Feb 25 ó The Ministry of Water Resources has shelved plans of linking Brahmaputra with Ganga following lukewarm response from the neighbour country. The development has significance because of the move to inter-link river basins of the country. The shelved proposal was to link the Brahmaputra with Ganga at Farakka in West Bengal. Minister of State for Water Resources, Bijoya Chakravarty, in a written reply in the Rajya Sabha, said that the Central Water Commission (CWC) in 1982 had prepared a feasibility report on Jogighopa barrage and Brahmaputra-Ganga link canal project flowing through Bangladesh by gravity as the first phase of development and augmentation of the flows of Ganga during dry season by diversion of Brahmaputra waters to the Ganga. The second phase of the proposal envisages creation of backup s! torages by construction of two dams on major northern tributaries of the Brahmaputra at Dihang and Subansiri, the Minister said. The proposal was placed before the Indo-Bangladesh Joint Rivers Commission. However, due to reservations expressed by the Government of Bangladesh, the proposal was not pursued further. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] Re: India outplay arch-rivals
As long as nobody gets hurts, why not? not playing another country for narrow nationalism is just not cricket. no matter what so-called lovers of the game tell you. thats a good one, particularly for the ones who believe NOT on nationalism but on "regionalism". Isn't that funny? From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Alpana Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: India outplay arch-rivals Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 12:04:34 -0500 Alpana Sarangapani said on AssamNet: + in the end we all have to answer this: do we hate the pakisanis more + than we love cricket? + + How can you compare it like this? Not playing with Pakistan does not mean + you have to give up cricket altogether! So the 'love for cricket' can still + be intact even without playing with them. let us put it this way. the love of cricket would make you play with pakistan, a very talented team. and hatred for the country of pakistan would stop you from playing the cricket team that goes by the name of pakistan. one plays against the other. see, cricket is a curious game. reading too much nationalism into a cricket team is dicey. for example, the west indies is a cricket team that draws its players from many different carribean countries. but more importantly, cricket players see themselves as divided into different tribes -- off-spinners, leg-breakers, wicket-keepers, batsmen etc. not indian, english or pakistani. nehra, an indian fast bowler's idol is probably not sachin tendulkar or gavaskar. it is more likely to be imran khan or wasim akram. when these people visit each other's countries, they seek each other out. for tips. there are many examples of ex-players of a host country giving out tips to visiting players. this is accepted, even though the tips go against the home team. when teams visit each other they imbibe each others qualities that way. and that is why javed miandad has said that india can get tips on fast bowling from pakistan and pakistan can get tips on batting from india. the indian coach is a new zealander. he continued coaching the team when india visited new zealand recently. the kenyan team is coached by an indian. such is the spirit of the game. every cricket player will tell you the game comes to its own in the test format. where winning is not everything. that many a match goes undecided. where the worth of a player is seen by how he dominates his opponents -- session by session. be he a batsman or a bowler. in a crucial test match sunil gavaskar held out against a vicious pakistani spin attack. on a pitch that was breaking up. he made just 96 and india finally lost, but the winner in that match was gavaskar. that was his best innings. and everybody will tell you so. not playing another country for narrow nationalism is just not cricket. no matter what so-called lovers of the game tell you. -- saurav ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] Re: India outplay arch-rivals
someone like myself, a thoroughly cricket-challenged hick :-),it is Hi C'da: Cricket is the original game from England, not India. I know you know that, but thought would remind you - in case you forgot and thought that it was an Indian game, andmay beyou would change your mind and develop some interest in the game. :) :) Btw, I am not a cricket fan either,and that is because I don't have patience. From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alpana Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: India outplay arch-rivals Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:12:16 -0600 Thanks for a very informative bit of cricket lore and culture Saurav. For someone like myself, a thoroughly cricket-challenged hick :-),it is interesting. At 12:04 PM -0500 3/3/03, Saurav Pathak wrote: Alpana Sarangapani said on AssamNet: + in the end we all have to answer this: do we hate the pakisanis more + than we love cricket? + + How can you compare it like this? Not playing with Pakistan does not mean + you have to give up cricket altogether! So the 'love for cricket' can still + be intact even without playing with them. let us put it this way. the love of cricket would make you play with pakistan, a very talented team. and hatred for the country of pakistan would stop you from playing the cricket team that goes by the name of pakistan. one plays against the other. see, cricket is a curious game. reading too much nationalism into a cricket team is dicey. for example, the west indies is a cricket team that draws its players from many different carribean countries. but more importantly, cricket players see themselves as divided into different tribes -- off-spinners, leg-breakers, wicket-keepers, batsmen etc. not indian, english or pakistani. nehra, an indian fast bowler's idol is probably not sachin tendulkar or gavaskar. it is more likely to be imran khan or wasim akram. when these people visit each other's countries, they seek each other out. for tips. there are many examples of ex-players of a host country giving out tips to visiting players. this is accepted, even though the tips go against the home team. when teams visit each other they imbibe each others qualities that way. and that is why javed miandad has said that india can get tips on fast bowling from pakistan and pakistan can get tips on batting from india. the indian coach is a new zealander. he continued coaching the team when india visited new zealand recently. the kenyan team is coached by an indian. such is the spirit of the game. every cricket player will tell you the game comes to its own in the test format. where winning is not everything. that many a match goes undecided. where the worth of a player is seen by how he dominates his opponents -- session by session. be he a batsman or a bowler. in a crucial test match sunil gavaskar held out against a vicious pakistani spin attack. on a pitch that was breaking up. he made just 96 and india finally lost, but the winner in that match was gavaskar. that was his best innings. and everybody will tell you so. not playing another country for narrow nationalism is just not cricket. no matter what so-called lovers of the game tell you. -- saurav ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] Re: India outplay arch-rivals
Saurav: what else am I going to say than saying the same thing? There are different kinds of people who believes in different "ism". For example, I am for 'regionalism' to a certainextent, 'nationalism' to another extent, and also believe in a 'global community' - depending on the circumstances. That goes for almost everyoneand I find that funny. From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: AssamNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: India outplay arch-rivals Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 13:32:21 -0500 Alpana B. Sarangapani said on AssamNet: + Just like it said. There are people: + + 1. who believe in regionalism, nationalism, internationalism. + + 2. who believe in nationlism and internationlims but not + regionalism. + + 3. who believe in internationlism and regionalism + + 4. who believe in regionlism alone. + + 5. who believe in nationlism alone. + + 6. who believe in internationalism or on a global + community,etc., + etc. + + Isn't that funny? i still dont understand what you are trying to say here. could you please explicitly say it, without insinuating. -- saurav MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] Bush- a gambler?
at the crux of this dilemma lie the issue of sovereignity. the u.n imposed international order maintains that the protection of the sovereignity of a country is the foremost task. according to this "doctrine", this is the only way wars and human tragedies can be avoided. so, even if a dictator rules a country, the sovereignity of that country should be respected. in case of acute human tragedy, generally the entire international body intervenes, under the aegis of the u.n. if we donot follow this self imposed rule, then every country can go into war with another on one pretext or the other. for example, india can invade pakistan on account of musharraf. pakistan can invade india on account of the kashmir tragedy. that is why iraq was reprimanded and sanctions were imposed when it invaded kuwait. I agree with this very thoughtful, practical andunbiased view of yours. + collateral damage is not acceptable.+ do you think Assam has been having this 'collateral damage' for a while?yes, i do. Do you think this damage in the shape of "acute human tragedy" (leave alone the fact that the state has gone economically 100 years back and also thehavoc that was produced)is "fair" in Assam's case? If so, why? If not, what should have been done/not done? Reply at your convenience and if you want to! -- saurav ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] Cricket commentary in Radio
Hi Satyen-Da: Also, seems like you can watch it on your desktop too for FREE :). It was good to see Namita-ba on Saturday, (though on a sad occasion). -Original Message-From: World Cup 2003 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:52 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Numtv Offer Super Six Live Audio Commentary Dear Viewers, We thank you for your cheerful support and over whelming response during the past matches. We are now happy to bring you more cricket and more fun. Following are the matches planned for Super Six. The matches will be offered to you once again FREE of Cost. Series Dates Matches Venue Time (IST) World Cup 2003 Mar07,2003 India Vs Kenya Cape town 18.00 World Cup 2003 Mar10,2003 India Vs Sri Lanka Johannesburg 13.00 World Cup 2003 Mar11,2003 Australia Vs New Zealand Port Elizabeth 13.00 World Cup 2003 Mar14,2003 India Vs New Zealand Centurion 13.00 This service will be offered to www.numtv.com or www.kris-srikkanth.com users only. We trust that you will once again be with us in enjoying the live commentary. Click here for Audio Commentary Please spread the fever to your friends and others Thank you, Cheers regards, NumTV Team From: "Das, Satyen (S.)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Assam] Cricket commentary in Radio Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:23:14 -0500 If you are interested in World cup cricket but cannot watch on satellite TV, you can still listen to live commentary of each game on www.rediff.com. It costs $4.99 per game or $11.99 for all super six games. Go to www.rediff.com and click on Radio button on the top. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] modern guwahati soon
The government has already taken up repair, maintenance and improvement of roads in the city besides improving the drainage system, the chief minister said in his budget speech. If this really works - I mean a drainage systemthat really flows comes up so that the nasty stuff is gone from the roads, with roads with no potholes so that even elderly folks (with severe 'kokalor bix' - Mr. Gogoi should know, he himself suffers from it, I heard) without cars, can ride a bus or auto/rickshwas safely, and the Center/Ulfa talk really takes place (witha solution with a win-win situation for both Assam and the Center) - even with all the stories about his money spending on a recent (happy) event, then we will be able to sayMr. Gogoi is one of the (three?) best CMs Assam has had so far. So there! I set the goals for him. :) From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AssamNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Assam] modern guwahati soon Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 01:21:11 -0500 Gogoi reveals plans for modern Guwahati - Assam budget A STAFF REPORTER Guwahati, March 10: Chief minister Tarun Gogoi today informed the state Assembly that a modern masterplan was under preparation for developing Guwahati into a modern city. Presenting the budget for the 2003-04 fiscal in the Assembly, Gogoi, who also holds the finance portfolio, announced that Panbazar and Maligaon Road overbridges would be widened during the next financial year. Besides, widening of GNB Road into a four-lane stretch, shifting of the wholesale market from the Fancy Bazar area and development of Nehru Park and Umananda temple are some of the steps in the direction of transforming the capital city. The government has also proposed to create a single agency for providing water supply to the city. Efforts are also being made to develop water supply and sanitation with external assistance. Informing the House that 70 per cent of the work on Ulubari flyover had been completed, Gogoi also said that the government had obtained loan assistance for constructing 11 RCC bridges in the city. The physical achievement under this Hudco-assisted project is about 70 per cent, with a total financial involvement of Rs 4.50 crore. The government has already taken up repair, maintenance and improvement of roads in the city besides improving the drainage system, the chief minister said in his budget speech. Earlier, during Question Hour, urban development minister Hem Prakash Narayan informed the House that the state government had asked the state election commission to prepare the voters list to facilitate early holding of elections to the Guwahati Municipal Corporation. The minister was replying to a question raised by AGP member Hitendra Nath Goswami who wanted to know the reason behind the delay in the holding of GMC polls. In reply to another question raised by AGP member Jagadish Bhuyan, Gogoi said altogether 15,000 rickshaws were plying in the city. He said the GMC authorities had no mechanism to verify the identity of rickshawpullers and that permits for plying rickshaws were granted by the corporation authorities on the basis of certificates issued by officer-in-charge of the nearest police station or heads of zila parishad or gaon panchayats. -- saurav ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] re: digboi attack - doing something about it ?
activities and killing innovent people." sounds nothing less than a plea for " Apwnar naak-kati xotinir jatra-bhongo" ( to cut off ones nose to spite one's face ). How C'da? I think of quite the opposite. None of "their" people are suffering, none otherthan (or the future of) Assam's industries are being destroyed (this is not to say that I, in any way, want it to happen to anybody else), than how is "their" nose beingcut? It sounds like mere self-destruction to me. From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ram Dhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] re: digboi attack - doing something about it ? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:38:28 -0600 There should be no rewards to any terrorist orgs for opening negotiations when they are engaged in disruptive activities and killing innovent people. *** That could be defendable if 'negotiations' automatically mean giving something up to 'reward' or benefit the tiny segment of the population which comprise ULFA as is reported. However what we have seen and heard is that an end to the insurgency, if could be brought about by a political solution, arrived at thru negotiations, would BENEFIT the people of Assam most. On that basis, the argument "There should be no rewards to any terrorist orgs for opening negotiations when they are engaged in disruptive activities and killing innovent people." sounds nothing less than a plea for " Apwnar naak-kati xotinir jatra-bhongo" ( to cut off ones nose to spite one's face ). Good Hindus like LK Advani,sitting at the imperial gaddi at Dilli, along with his supporters, might think of it as a legacy of their ancient civilization if not a divinely ordained prerogative. But should WE buy that? At 10:25 AM -0500 3/11/03, Ram Dhar wrote: There should be no rewards to any terrorist orgs for opening negotiations when they are engaged in disruptive activities and killing innovent people. Indian govt is doing the correct thing in this respect. One From: Chan Mahanta To: "Alpana Sarangapani" , Subject: Re: [Assam] re: digboi attack - doing something about it ? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:50:49 -0600 *** * No talks with ULFA : Advani NEW DELHI, March 10 (UNI): Deputy Prime Minister L K Advani today ruled out any talks in the near future with the United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA). Mr Advani replied in the negative when he was asked as to whether the Centre, on the lines of its peace mission in Kashmir, had any plans to initiate a dialogue with the banned outfit. The Home Minister was talking to reporters after taking salute at the raising day of the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) here. Mr Advani was asked about the Government's position regarding ULFA after he outlined the Centre's multi-pronged policy on the Kashmir issue that envisaged removal of grievances of those groups coming forward to join the dialogue process in Jammu Kashmir. Replying to another question, he said he would not be going to the North-east to be personally present at the proposed mass surrender by the activists of Bodo Liberation Front. "There is no need for my presence on that occasion," he said. *** What do you think of the attitude displayed above A? This is what I was asking about. And to continue to wave the issue of "independence" as a reason for not to hold political negotiations is what I alluded to when I was talikng about chanting Hindu mantras. Hope you are still not upset. Unfortunately it is the truth though, isn't it :-)? c-daAt 9:39 PM -0600 3/10/03, Alpana Sarangapani wrote: But what is YOUR excuse A?My friends and relative still live there? *** I think we owe it to ourselves to think creatively. To limit ourselvesI do think, C'da. In fact, I was seriously thinking, but was being practical too. If no one does some 'era-dhora', who is going to lose? You only said (and rightly so too): "After all it is not like they would be affected." So! what do you think, how long this should go on? In the mean time how much destruction, how many lives can we loose? to repeating a worn mantra might be a good Hindu practice, but is not If you were not a Hindu (once upon a time), I would have gotten upset. But since you were, I won't. I will just think that you took an excuse. :) - Original Message - From: "Chan Mahanta" To: "Alpana Sarangapani" ;Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] re: digboi attack - doing something about it ? Alpana: what is the realistic proposition, C'da? a quick talk of an independent Assam? *** I think we owe it to ourselves to think creatively. To
Re: [Assam] re: digboi attack - doing something about it ?
NEW DELHI, March 10 (UNI): Deputy Prime Minister L K Advani today ruled out any talks in the near future with the United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA). Mr Advani replied in the negative when he was asked as to whether the Centre, on the lines of its peace mission in Kashmir, had any plans to initiate a dialogue with the banned outfit I do agree with you on this regard, C'da. what iswith him now? From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] re: digboi attack - doing something about it ? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:50:49 -0600 No talks with ULFA : Advani NEW DELHI, March 10 (UNI): Deputy Prime Minister L K Advani today ruled out any talks in the near future with the United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA). Mr Advani replied in the negative when he was asked as to whether the Centre, on the lines of its peace mission in Kashmir, had any plans to initiate a dialogue with the banned outfit. The Home Minister was talking to reporters after taking salute at the raising day of the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) here. Mr Advani was asked about the Government's position regarding ULFA after he outlined the Centre's multi-pronged policy on the Kashmir issue that envisaged removal of grievances of those groups coming forward to join the dialogue process in Jammu Kashmir. Replying to another question, he said he would not be going to the North-east to be personally present at the proposed mass surrender by the activists of Bodo Liberation Front. "There is no need for my presence on that occasion," he said. *** What do you think of the attitude displayed above A? This is what I was asking about. And to continue to wave the issue of "independence" as a reason for not to hold political negotiations is what I alluded to when I was talikng about chanting Hindu mantras. Hope you are still not upset. Unfortunately it is the truth though, isn't it :-)? c-da At 9:39 PM -0600 3/10/03, Alpana Sarangapani wrote: But what is YOUR excuse A? My friends and relative still live there? *** I think we owe it to ourselves to think creatively. To limit ourselves I do think, C'da. In fact, I was seriously thinking, but was being practical too. If no one does some 'era-dhora', who is going to lose? You only said (and rightly so too): "After all it is not like they would be affected." So! what do you think, how long this should go on? In the mean time how much destruction, how many lives can we loose? to repeating a worn mantra might be a good Hindu practice, but is not If you were not a Hindu (once upon a time), I would have gotten upset. But since you were, I won't. I will just think that you took an excuse. :) - Original Message - From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] re: digboi attack - doing something about it ? Alpana: what is the realistic proposition, C'da? a quick talk of an independent Assam? *** I think we owe it to ourselves to think creatively. To limit ourselves to repeating a worn mantra might be a good Hindu practice, but is not conducive to finding answers to enduring problems. It is like painting oneself into a box. Not a very smart practice if you asked me. The more plausible explanation is that Delhi does not give a damn. They could continue to stonewall Assam. After all it is not like they would be affected. But what is YOUR excuse A? c-da At 2:24 PM -0600 3/9/03, Alpana Sarangapani wrote: decreeing--that the ULFA surrender. Unfortunately it seems like a rather unrealistic proposition. what is the realistic proposition, C'da? a quick talk of an independent Assam? - Original Message - From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "deepjyoti kakati" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] re: digboi attack - doing something about it ? At 9:36 PM +0530 3/9/03, deepjyoti kakati wrote: What I am curious about is what is being done about it. Who has the power, the authority and the responsibility to do so? What are they doing about it ? ULFA has changed its strategy . no longer they go for pitched gunfights wherein they usually get a good beating. their modus operandi now is - go after bihari settlers. - lob mortars from a distance and vanish. - bomb blasts nothing can be done to guard against these attacks.so they will likely continue. ***
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I am glad you GOT it in the other mesaage though. If you hadn't, I would have been very disappointed :-). I didn't just "get" it C'da. It was there always. political solution and return of peace, then the people of Assam are THE losers, aren't they? Losers in what sense and by whom and how? self-destructive work by some Assamese only, isn't it? From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] re: digboi attack - doing something about it ? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:19:10 -0600 A: none other than (or the future of) Assam's industries are being destroyed (this is not to say that I, in any way, want it to happen to anybody else), than how is "their" nose being cut? When good and otherwise patriotic (?) Assamese, Like Ram Dhar does not want the colonial rulers to engage in negotiations with the ULFA to reach a political solution and return of peace, then the people of Assam are THE losers, aren't they? I am glad you GOT it in the other mesaage though. If you hadn't, I would have been very disappointed :-). Yoiu asked what is with LKA now? Well, what does HE care about the suffering of the people of Assam? He is not going to get transferred to Assam. c-da At 12:41 PM -0600 3/11/03, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: activities and killing innovent people." sounds nothing less than a plea for " Apwnar naak-kati xotinir jatra-bhongo" ( to cut off ones nose to spite one's face ). How C'da? I think of quite the opposite. None of "their" people are suffering, none other than (or the future of) Assam's industries are being destroyed (this is not to say that I, in any way, want it to happen to anybody else), than how is "their" nose being cut? It sounds like mere self-destruction to me. From: Chan Mahanta To: "Ram Dhar" , [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] re: digboi attack - doing something about it ? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:38:28 -0600 There should be no rewards to any terrorist orgs for opening negotiations when they are engaged in disruptive activities and killing innovent people. *** That could be defendable if 'negotiations' automatically mean giving something up to 'reward' or benefit the tiny segment of the population which comprise ULFA as is reported. However what we have seen and heard is that an end to the insurgency, if could be brought about by a political solution, arrived at thru negotiations, would BENEFIT the people of Assam most. On that basis, the argument "There should be no rewards to any terrorist orgs for opening negotiations when they are engaged in disruptive activities and killing innovent people." sounds nothing less than a plea for " Apwnar naak-kati xotinir jatra-bhongo" ( to cut off ones nose to spite one's face ). Good Hindus like LK Advani,sitting at the imperial gaddi at Dilli, along with his supporters, might think of it as a legacy of their ancient civilization if not a divinely ordained prerogative. But should WE buy that? At 10:25 AM -0500 3/11/03, Ram Dhar wrote: There should be no rewards to any terrorist orgs for opening negotiations when they are engaged in disruptive activities and killing innovent people.Indian govt is doing the correct thing in this respect. One From: Chan Mahanta To: "Alpana Sarangapani" , Subject: Re: [Assam] re: digboi attack - doing something about it ? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 08:50:49 -0600 ** * * No talks with ULFA : Advani NEW DELHI, March 10 (UNI): Deputy Prime Minister L K Advani today ruled out any talks in the near future with the United Liberation Front of Asom (ULFA). Mr Advani replied in the negative when he was asked as to whether the Centre, on the lines of its peace mission in Kashmir, had any plans to initiate a dialogue with the banned outfit. The Home Minister was talking to reporters after taking salute at the raising day of the Central Industrial Security Force (CISF) here. Mr Advani was asked about the Government's position regarding ULFA after he outlined the Centre's multi-pronged policy on the Kashmir issue that envisaged removal of grievances of those groups coming forward to join the dialogue process in Jammu Kashmir. Replying to another question, he said he would not be going to the North-east to be personally present at the proposed mass surrender by the activists of Bodo Liberation Front. "There is no need for my presence on that occasion," he said. ** * What do you think of the attit
Re: [Assam] re: digboi attack - doing something about it ?
the attack on the biharis must be a first for the ulfa. i believe A few years ago, some morenon-Assamese labor workersnear Polaxbari(?) were also shot dead, I remember correctly, by them. From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: deepjyoti kakati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] re: digboi attack - doing something about it ? Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:29:58 -0500 deepjyoti kakati said on AssamNet: + ULFA has changed its strategy . no longer they go for pitched + gunfights wherein they usually get a good beating. their modus + operandi now is + + - go after bihari settlers. + - lob mortars from a distance and vanish. + - bomb blasts the ulfa has been using bombs. most tellingly, when it blew up the agp minister. and before that, on republic and independence days. i think the public announcements that ulfa was getting weak and emasculated played a role in these attacks. the ulfa had to prove that they could strike. it is probably not a good policy to talk down an insurgent group when it still has striking capabilities. the attack on the biharis must be a first for the ulfa. i believe they had warned in the past that if the army continued to target innocent villagers, they would strike at settlers. while this clearly will not get them any friends, it is important for policy makers to be careful too, if they are interested in bringing down the body count. -- saurav ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] ULFA's Kind Act
Yours will be even better, C'da. Why don't you? :) From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: D Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ASSAMNETCOLORADO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] ULFA's Kind Act Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:56:10 -0600 I am not going to comment on it. *** Give it a shot ( no pun intended). It would be good for our collective souls. At 7:36 PM -0800 3/17/03, D Deka wrote: I am not going to comment on it. ëI have to carry on my life now as a handicappedí By a Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, March 17: The scene at the Guwahati Medical College Hospital bore a tragic look. The ten seriously wounded victims of yesterdayís land mine explosion in Goalpara are nursing their wounds with a bleak future looming over them. Most of them are women below their thirties and have suffered severe leg injuries. Only cries, and pain can be heard near the female section of the Emergency ward at the Hospital. The over-crowded bus had passengers mostly returning home after attending a District Primary Education Programme (DPEP) meeting at Durgeswar Mandir. Said one of the injured, Omiya Khatun of Sobetala village, "Most of the women in the bus were standing. I was occupying the seat behind the driver. Suddenly there was a bright flash of light and then total darkness, as the bus seemed to go beneath the ground." She continued her tragic story writhing in pain, "After this I fell unconscious. Now even while I am alive, I have no motivation as my legs are of no use". She then broke into tears. Rukeya Khatun, also of Sobetala village, said that the passengers in the front portion of the bus were mostly hurt as the impact of the attack was on the front side of the bus. They found it quite difficult to speak because of the pain they were going through. Azufa Khatun, Saharbanu Khatun and Helima Khatun, all of whose legs have suffered multiple fractures, are uncertain about their future. They said that have been targeted for no fault of theirs. Abdul Hamid Mollah who was standing near the front door fractured his leg. "I was returning to my village after some work at the court. I saw a flash of light then there was total darkness. Now I have to carry on my life as a handicapped". The brother of Helima Khatun who was at home when the tragedy took place said that after they heard about the incident, they could not come to the site immediately as they were no buses. Later they hired a vehicle only to find a mangled mass of steel at the site. Do you Yahoo!? Ya hoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, li ve on your desktop! ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] Religion and Rituals
instead you chose to establish the superiority of YOUR knowledge. Which was redundant. Assam netters already know that. Besides, knowledge not shared It was not about 'not knowing' who Karna was (was a little surprising, yes), C'da. As everybody should also know by now, I don't know things that a 10 year old knows. But it was this: Pandavs? Or a sidekick? Not the milkman I hope, or the mailman. You could have helped by giving the answer to help the uninformed . But BTW, if you are seriously asking, Karna was Kunti's (the 5 Pandav's mother) oldest son. He was deserted by Kunti, as he was born before Kunti was married. As youmight already beaware that all 5 Pandavs were born of different devatas, Karna's father was also another devata, the Sun God. He was raised by a charioter (a low caste), and was humiliatedbecause of this. Heis known for his generosity and loyalty - hegave his life fortheKauravs, asDurjyodhan offered him friendship and also made him the king of a small province(?)while everybody else was asking for his "royal background". I apologize if you think I said anything wrong. I was mistaken with the thought that you knew but were just making fun of it - which is uptoan individualanyhow - everybody is free to say anything, I understand. I just could not resist from saying what came to my mind right after I read that passage. From: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "LOLLA PALOOZA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] Religion and Rituals Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:32:29 -0600 Reminds me of an Indian born utterly confused desi. *** As I always say, tell us something we don't know Alpana. You could have helped by giving the answer to help the uninformed . But instead you chose to establish the superiority of YOUR knowledge. Which was redundant. Assam netters already know that. Besides, knowledge not shared is pretty much useless to society. At 9:58 PM -0600 3/18/03, Alpana Sarangapani wrote: answers. (Personal advice, attack only Hindu Gods if you want to. Never are you following this strictly? I miss this one too. Karna--what was he ? Was he a relative of the Pandavs? Or a sidekick? Not the milkman I hope, or the mailman. Reminds me of an Indian born utterly confused desi. - Original Message - From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "LOLLA PALOOZA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Religion and Rituals Dear Dr. P, Thanks for your informative and insightful reply. You are man of much wisdom. Your explanation of why Gargi might lose her life, as explained by Rahul S. is indeed very persuasive. I too practice restraints on asking too many fool questions, of course depending on whom I am asking. Luckily Assam Netters are like most Hindu gods. They are a laid back lot, mostly, and don't attempt to harm me most of the time, when I throw restraint into the wind and ask unpleasant questions. But there are exceptions, which do prove the rule. Some years back, a young fellow Kharkhowa got into mucho-troublo with a desi doktor from Bal Saheb's neighborhood. My youg friend asked him unpleasant questions about American politics, big-shot-desi-doktor was asserting. After he stumbled a couple of times, he decided it was time to show his hand, heh-heh, and WARNED him not to ask any more such questions. It was very funny. But I had learnt to keep a poker face, having been in deep doo-doo for indulging in unrestarined laughter in my youth. BTW the desi-doktor was seen in national TV celebrating the selection of show-your-hands-Bush as el-presidente. The learned one (not me) does not pooh pooh one that is acquired by either birth or by knowledge. I feel, once you know the truth, it is no longer faith. It is the Truth (that's what they say). You make a good point. My reservation here is however on the point of the numbers of those who seem to have found the TRUTH, or to be more precise, the lack of them. Since there are so few of them around, ( apparently they were always in the past) does it mean that the rest might be, well, um--how to say it --darn it, its hard---well never mind. I think it is best if I kept my reservations to myself here. Is the Hindu goddess (sexually) liberal? Unfortunately, the rishis did not allow it (most of the rishis were males.) What is the feminine term for a 'rishi'? Rishioni? Risha? Rishya? Of course they won't allow. Nor would the baboon king or the silverback gorilla. Vyasa, however, allowed mortals like Kunti to have as many gods as she wanted, and Draupadi to have 5 husbands. How's that? Was Vyasa the Owner of Kunti and Draupadi? Or are you alluding to his artistic license in conjuring up
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You must enter a privacy password. This provides only mild security, but should prevent others from messing with your subscription. Do not use a valuable password as it will occasionally be emailed back to you in cleartext. Once a month, your password will be emailed to you as a Are these passwords visibleto the administrators, or are they automatically generated and sent to the subscribers? From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ruby kakati <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] mailing list Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:25:36 -0500 hi, please go to the link below and configure your account to "no mail". this will prevent any mail from the mailing list from reaching you. but this may not be the best way to keep in touch with the forum and your roots. you may prefer to receive the mails in a digest. which means you will receive all the posts in a day together in a single mail. this is configurable from the page. to configure, you will need a password. if you have already subscribed to the list, you would have yourself set it. saurav http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam ruby kakati said on AssamNet: + + + + + dear sir/madam + + I think the assamese sight is excellent and am glad i have found a forum + where i can + be in touch with my roots, but I would ask you not to send me forwards from + the assam mailing list as it blocks the amount of messages I receive due to + the number I get everyday. THAnk you, and keep up the good work! + + kind regards + Ruby KAkati ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] Reminder: Worldwide Directory of Assamese
Free to thecommunity members regardless of affiliation to any organization? That is just great!! I am willing to donate a few $$ sometimes (whenever I can afford to,not always :)), but committing to one (when there are two)organization (especially at this stage) is not my cup of tea. Our info is the same as in your earlier issue. Thank you. From: "Assam Directory" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Reminder: Worldwide Directory of Assamese Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 13:03:16 + Dear Friends, We are in the process of updating the "Worldwide Directory of Assamese Residents." First published in 1976, this is the original directory of Assamese Residents abroad. The directory will be distributed FREE to community members once it has been published. If you would like your name and address included or if you have a new address or change in family status, please send a message to this email address with the folloiwing information: Name: Spouse's name: Children's names: Address: Telephone No: Email address: Thank you. For Worldwide Directory of Assamese Residents Published by Assam Society of America _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] Religion and Rituals
the 6 different devatas, and 2 mothers: what do you think actually happened? Oops! I neglected Madri (it often slips my mind, as she died early and Kunti took care of all 5 pandavas). Sorry, C'da: a little mistake there. :) To sum up and answer your question, I came up with these: 1. Nasty/extra-marital affairs. 2. Infidelity 3. Adjusting to the circumstances - keeping the property within the family. Then they were not real, just tales as you said. so! From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, AssamNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] Religion and Rituals Date: 20 Mar 2003 11:01:20 -0500 On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 10:15, Chan Mahanta wrote: As you might already be aware that all 5 Pandavs were born of different devatas, Karna's father was also another devata, the Sun God. He was raised by a charioter (a low caste), and was humiliated because of this. alpana-baideu: the 6 different devatas, and 2 mothers: what do you think actually happened? and if the pandavas were actually not sons of pandu, but illegitimate sons of kunti and madri, do you think they actually had a right to the throne of hastinapur? if they did not have the right, should krishna have cajoled arjuna to fight a devastating war (he, as a god, knew it, of course. but kunti was his aunt. so is the great gita just an example of masterful divine favoritism)? btw, that war finished off all all descendants of the author of the epic, ved vyas. pandu and dhritarastra were themselves illegitimate sons, not descendants of the original king, bharat. mahabharat is actually the story of imposters passing off as descendants of bharat. who can beat all these little ironies. needless to say, i consider it one of the greatest tale ever told! saurav ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
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i was pointing to the illegitimacy of nearly all characters, not the infidelity of kunti and madri. anyway. I kind of guessed that you are a practical person,so added another answer for you - the practical answer - no.3. Now lets hear the bestreason from you. if the mahabharata is not real, do you suspect the ramayana is not C'da will have a point there too. if it is not real why I was "upset" at his remark on Karna. I will answer that when I get some time tonight. either? rama? they are fighting for the ram temple in ayodhya, you know. O' really? I will ask them to stop then - i am sure they will listen! Now you tell me why the root cause of many of the wars over the centuries in thisWHOLE wide world is/was religion. I know you will come up with a smart answer if not a solution! :) From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: AssamNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] Religion and Rituals Date: 20 Mar 2003 12:50:13 -0500 On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 12:34, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: 1. Nasty/extra-marital affairs. 2. Infidelity 3. Adjusting to the circumstances - keeping the property within the family. alpana-baideu: i was pointing to the illegitimacy of nearly all characters, not the infidelity of kunti and madri. anyway. Then they were not real, just tales as you said. so! if the mahabharata is not real, do you suspect the ramayana is not either? rama? they are fighting for the ram temple in ayodhya, you know. saurav Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] Religion and Rituals
Ram-xita-raabon aataibor oxomiya aachhil, bongali - burey aney tahatok bongali buli koy... Thats a different kind of "war", Santanu. that is nota waron religion. :) From: Santanu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,AssamNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] Religion and Rituals Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 01:14:17 -0500 Saurav Pathak wrote: if the mahabharata is not real, do you suspect the ramayana is not either? rama? they are fighting for the ram temple in ayodhya, you know. Come on, Saurav. That's not fair. :-) All stories are real, though they may not be based on facts. And the Ram-mandir iin Ayodhya is as much an article of faith as Ram is. Like the immaculate conception of Jesus Christ, it doesn't have to be based on facts. Which reminds me. Who wrote something like this - Hem Barua? Ram-xita-raabon aataibor oxomiya aachhil, bongali - burey aney tahatok bongali buli koy... Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] Religion and Rituals
). So go make your reservations now, before all the guaranteed rate rooms are taken. c-da At 10:27 PM -0600 3/20/03, Alpana Sarangapani wrote: Tell me Alpana, if from the above you could hold me to be something special, either as a good example or a bad one? Good one, C'da, good one. :) Why did you think that my ignorance of Karna was somehow unacceptable? What I thought you were just making it up. to ridicule as a 'confused desi'? I thought you were confused if 'you' were a desi, because that 'des' has all these milkmen kind of characters? :) As I mentioned to my note to Saurav, I agree that these are just tales, but I still think those are the tales from my 'background', I can't wipe them off and rather enjoy the stories/shows on these tales - by leaving the dirty parts alone. so irreverant about wondering if Karna was a milkman or a mailman, considering Draupadi's alleged , um, eyeballing? Am tired of these stories of milkman/mailman and putting women down? I just don't know! In retrospect, it would have been good to learn of such very Indian traits as "--He was raised by a charioter (a low caste), and was humiliated because of this." Luckily for me , I did learn about them from other sources. But they were from the ancient time. What is the excuse of today's India for behaving that way, and if you (not necessarily you or I - all of us) think honestly, you very well know that exists in our own frontyard in Assam - to a lesser degree, you might say, but it is very much there. Or else a bamun/xudir/mahanta parent won't go look for a bamun/xudir/mahanta spouse for his/her son or daughter. BTW, A, I was NOT offended. I just wanted to make point, that needed making :-). Thanks for letting me make a point too. :) BTW, I thought I could just forget about my going to the convention to your home-town this year (konbhensonot juwa-r muda moril eibaar), since you were so angry. But am feeling a little confident now. :) Regards, --A. - Original Message ----- From: "Chan Mahanta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] Religion and Rituals Thanks for telling us who Karna was A. No, I did NOT know who he was, even though I heard the name. I am not attempting to portray my ignorance as something to be proud of (or for that matter, something to be ashamed of) either. I just did not know. I know a lot of things. Some are useful, others are quite useless garbage. And I don't know a lot of things. Some are important, others less so. Tell me Alpana, if from the above you could hold me to be something special, either as a good example or a bad one? Why did you think that my ignorance of Karna was somehow unacceptable? What is it about Indian mythology that everyone who was born and grew up in the landmass called India must be conversant of, failing which could be held up to ridicule as a 'confused desi'? But it was this: Pandavs? Or a sidekick? Not the milkman I hope, or the mailman. *** Why? Lolla Palooza's note was tongue-in-cheek, as was mine. So what was so irreverant about wondering if Karna was a milkman or a mailman, considering Draupadi's alleged , um, eyeballing? As you might already be aware that all 5 Pandavs were born of different devatas, Karna's father was also another devata, the Sun God. He was raised by a charioter (a low caste), and was humiliated because of this. Wow. That is news to me again. I knew that Kunti's husband, Pandu, had a little problem. But didn't realize things were this bad. Honest! My entire repertoire of knowledge of the Mahabharat epic was from my reading of the Xixur Mahabharat which I conquered in Class V. Something tells me, this particular version of the Mahabharat left out important details. Incidentally I never really understood Pandu's problem which was only vaguely alluded to in Xixur Mahabharat, even as a highschooler. It was much later in life that I stumbled upon these trivia. I did not know anybody in my youth whom I could have asked, with a straight face, what all those allusions meant, and who coud have answered them. Does that sound familiar to you? It may not. And if it does not, that would explain why *I* grew up deprived of such *important* knowledge, unlike perhaps some of you. In retrospect, it would have been good to learn of such very Indian traits as "--He was raised by a charioter (a low caste), and was humiliated because of this." Luckily for me , I did learn about them from other sources. BTW, A, I was
Re: [Assam] a new world order
is there a web site that you want us to go to? From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AssamNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Assam] a new world order Date: 24 Mar 2003 16:46:09 -0500 a world ruled by a single world power, which can thrash everyone. australia. the shock and awe!! ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] a new world order
what happened to the US? Australia is doing the same thing as them, isn't it? care to tell us why you passed that comment? From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: AssamNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] a new world order Date: 24 Mar 2003 18:00:01 -0500 On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 17:57, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: is there a web site that you want us to go to? no...that was just a comment. Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] a new world order
ohhh! never mind then. Now that India lostthat game, my mind is in the war. I closely knowa young woman here whose husband is there. It is just amazing to see her taking it so bravely (she herself got an honorable discharge a few months ago).We arejust praying for her husband to comehome safely and also for everyone else..hope it ends soon, verry soon. From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: AssamNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] a new world order Date: 24 Mar 2003 18:07:31 -0500 On Mon, 2003-03-24 at 18:05, Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote: what happened to the US? Australia is doing the same thing as them, isn't it? care to tell us why you passed that comment? australia won the world cup by crushing all opposition. STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] NRA Time.
I saw that when Ganesh (Bora) sent a note too. Good going. what do you think? :) From: Santanu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AssamNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Assam] NRA Time. Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:59:25 -0500 So, what do NRA's think about this? Santanu. The Assam Tribune online Guwahati, Wednesday, March 26, 2003 Efforts on to involve NRIs in states uplift By A Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, March 25 Several prominent personalities, in league with some youths, have put their heads together to welcome the non-resident Indians (NRIs) of Assam origin in a bid to retrieve the State out of the quagmire it is presently in, both economically and socially. Addressing news persons at a press conference here, Sri Jatin Hazarika, former Home Commissioner of the State Sri HN Das, a former Chief Secretary of the State and Dr NK Choudhury, a former Vice-Chancellor of Gauhati University (GU), said that an organising committee under the name and style of Prabasi Asomiya Sanmilon to hold a convention of the NRIs of Assam origin sometime next winter, had been formed. Sri Hazarika is the president of the said committee, while Sri Das, Dr Choudhury and Dr Bhagawan Chandra Lahkar are the advisors, Smt Bobeeta Sharma is the treasurer-cum-secretary and Sri Manash Deka is the organising secretary of the committee. The NRIs of the State origin may be treated as brain banks, because of the expertise they have attained working in different fields, in the developed countries. They have the experience of cutting edge technology and are conversant with the best of the international practices on a diverse range of economic activity. At the same time, these NRIs have not forgotten their roots and are in the know of the conditions that they had left behind and the subsequent developments thereon. In fact, they are, in certain respects, more aware of the vital changes that have to be worked out to lift the State from the situation it is in at present, said the organisers of the Prabasi Asomiya Sanmilon. The convention has been planned in line with the conventions of the type held in Andhra Pradesh, West Bengal and Delhi, among others, recently, they said. A website is also planned by the organising committee for the purpose of providing easy access of the NRIs to the organisers and contacts are also being established with the organisations of the NRIs in the countries like the UK and the USA, they said. However, they clarified that the proposed convention would act only as the stepping stone to usher in a new era of a total involvement of the States society in rebuilding its economy and to cement the schisms surfacing in its social fabric. They also proposed a tentative list of the areas for action, which is sought to be deliberated upon at the convention. The list includes quality education, development of the primary sector, real estate and urban development, power sector development, tourism, agro-processing, pharmaceuticals and process industries based on mineral resources, among others, as the areas that need intervention of investors for the speedy development of the State. Sri Bibhuti Bhusan Barthakur and Sri Manash Deka were also present at the press conference. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: Re: [Assam] NRA Time.
It is not my "job" to get you unsubscribed, but seems like you really need some help: Unsubscribeby going to this site: http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam. You will have to READin order to find the proper line (towards the end)and get yourself unsubscribed. BTW, this is my FIRST mail to you directly - I didn't even know that you existed (I hate to talk like this, but sometimes I do) till I started getting your mails.I NEVER sent you any mails before..and, For the millionth time: I send mails to Assam Net and (if you didn't know!) since you are subscribed to Assam Net, you get the mails. So the keyword and the action for you totake(not to get mails from me or anybody fromAssam Net)is:"UNSUBSCRIBE". And apply this on yourself : stop mailing me pl. From: "Tapader Sabur A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "Tapader Sabur A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: [Assam] NRA Time. Date: 27 Mar 2003 10:25:45 - stop mailing me pl. On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 Alpana B. Sarangapani wrote : As long as the Assam government does not come up with the idea that the NRIs shouldadd money into fund to paythe government employees, forgetting that it is the government's JOB to "run" the country smoothly, not citizens', whether they are NRIs or non-NRIs. Of course the idea of involving the NRIs in various projects is good - to help establishing private schools, hospitals, water supply (tube-well, etc) in villages - even though these should be taken care of by the government. But if the people in the government have been taking care of themselves - as we have been seeing in at least for last 20 years, then what? The NRIs earn dollars but they spend in dollars too, of course it is their dollars that they *earn*, thats for sure! So there! my thoughts for the time being on the matter. From: "Anjan K. Nath" To: Subject: Re: [Assam] NRA Time. Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:21:05 +0800 Hi, To a chronic cynic like me I guess it is just a ploy to sidetrack matters and rob the well-meaning NRIs!! AKN - Original Message - From: Alpana B. Sarangapani To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [Assam] NRA Time. I saw that when Ganesh (Bora) sent a note too. Good going. what do you think? :) From: Santanu Roy To: AssamNet Subject: [Assam] NRA Time. Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:59:25 -0500 So, what do NRA's think about this? Santanu. The Assam Tribune online Guwahati, Wednesday, March 26, 2003 Efforts on to involve NRIs in state's uplift By A Staff Reporter GUWAHATI, March 25 - Several prominent personalities, in league with some youths, have put their heads together to welcome the non-resident Indians (NRIs) of Assam origin in a bid to retrieve the State out of the quagmire it is presently in, both economically and socially. Addressing news persons at a press conference here, Sri Jatin Hazarika, former Home Commissioner of the State Sri HN Das, a former Chief Secretary of the State and Dr NK Choudhury, a former Vice-Chancellor of Gauhati University (GU), said that an organising committee under the name and style of Prabasi Asomiya Sanmilon to hold a convention of the NRIs of Assam origin sometime next winter, had been formed. Sri Hazarika is the president of the said committee, while Sri Das, Dr Choudhury and Dr Bhagawan Chandra Lahkar are the advisors, Smt Bobeeta Sharma is the treasurer-cum-secretary and Sri Manash Deka is the organising secretary of the committee. The NRIs of the State origin may be treated as brain banks, because of the expertise they have attained working in different fields, in the developed countries. They have the experience of cutting edge technology and are conversant with the 'best of the international practices' on a diverse range of economic activity. At the same time, these NRIs have not forgotten their roots and are in the know of the conditions that they had left behind and the subsequent developments thereon. In fact, they are, in certain respects, more aware of the vital changes that have to be worked out to lift the State from the situation it is in at present, said the organisers of the Prabasi Asomiya Sanmilon. The convention has been planned in line with the conventions of the type held in Andhra Pradesh, West Bengal and Delhi, among others, recently, they said. A website is also planned by the organising committee for the purpose of providing easy access of the NRIs to the organisers and contacts are also being established with the organisations of the NRIs in the countries like the UK and the USA, they said.
Re: [Assam] anyone has an explanation?
a simple anwer will be on 'humanitarian grounds'. and a complex? one will be hindus are always harmless, humble and open-minded, - even though some of them go to extremes, after all they"originally belonged"to them hindus. :) Seriously, who with a normal mind, would want to see innocent/ordinary people dying fora hidden agenda, or a business/financial plan of some people behind the scene? From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AssamNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Assam] anyone has an explanation? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 12:14:17 -0500 why should rss/vhp not like the iraq war? they are anti-muslim, and are a conservative lot, after all. and definitely not pacifist. how come their position is so close to that of pakistan's? saurav -- http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A63533-2003Mar31.html In New Delhi, Hindus Take A Dim View of America By John Lancaster Washington Post Foreign Service Tuesday, April 1, 2003; Page C01 First in a series on how people around the world are perceiving the war in Iraq through their local media. NEW DELHI, March 31 -- On the flickering television set in the corner, a BBC announcer was describing how British troops in southern Iraq had seized a cache of Iraqi chemical-weapons gear. Images of protective suits, gas masks and antidote injectors filled the screen. A British officer then described the equipment as clear evidence that Iraq possesses chemical weapons, even if none has yet been found. But Jagat Jha, 37, offered another interpretation. "Maybe before bringing in the press they planted all these things," he said. Ajay Bharti, 40, suggested that the gear had indeed been stockpiled for use in a chemical attack -- by the United States and Britain. "Had there been a chemical attack on Iraq, then [Iraqis] would have used these things" to protect themselves, he said knowingly. Bharti and Jha were among a half-dozen Indians interviewed today at the media center of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) -- Hindi for National Volunteer Corps -- the right-wing Hindu nationalist group whose several offspring include India's ruling Bharatiya Janata Party. Several work full time for the group. Others are supporters -- a government bureaucrat (Bharti), a newspaper ad salesman (Jha) and a paper-products salesman -- who stopped by to chew over the latest news with Ram Madhav, a garrulous, Palm Pilot-toting former engineering student who serves as the RSS chief spokesman. Sitting around on plastic deck chairs in the cramped second-floor office, dressed for the most part in Western-style slacks and button-down shirts, they were unanimous in their condemnation of the war and especially of President Bush, whom they accused of fabricating evidence against Baghdad in pursuit of Middle East oil. Such views, while hardly unusual in the current climate, might seem surprising coming from the RSS. Founded in 1925, the group drew partial inspiration from the Fascist movements of prewar Europe and promotes the primacy of Hindu culture and religion in India. The organization's core ideology, called Hindutva, has often been blamed -- its members say unfairly -- for promoting discrimination and sometimes violence against India's minority Muslim population. At least one prominent figure associated with the movement has expressed support for the American-led invasion. In February, Pravin Togadia, general secretary of the World Hindu Council -- another offshoot of the RSS -- told an audience that it was in India's interest to support an attack on Iraq that, he said, could weaken the forces of radical Islam. But the RSS leadership quickly disavowed Togadia's remarks. And the government -- while fairly mild in its criticism of the Bush administration -- has said the matter should have been left to the U.N. Security Council. In that regard, the Hindutva movement is reflecting Indian public opinion, which is overwhelmingly hostile to the U.S. and British invasion. In a survey published this week, Outlook magazine found that 86 percent of Indians opposed the war and 69 percent regard President Bush as a "warmonger." On Sunday, more than 150,000 people marched against the invasion in Calcutta. Some burned effigies of Bush to shouts of "Down with America!" The people at the RSS media center today, with access to cable television and the Internet, were perhaps better informed about the conflict than the typical citizen in the street. But most began their day in the manner of countless Indians, with a newspaper, filtering its content through the prism of already well-formed views. Arun Arora, 35, scanned the war news in Punjab Kesari, a widely circulated Hindi paper whose front page was dominated by the banner headline "Hope of Reaching Baghdad Has Vanished and [coalition forces] Are Besieged by the Fear of Death." A second story was headlined "American Forces May Stop the
Re: [Assam] From the AT
went back to have a good lunch of fatty vegetarian pooris and potatoes afterwards; even some cool yoghurt perhaps. It is scenes like this that make me wonder! ..and said 'I love you' to each other or to their kids. That was horrible, Santanu. About the survey, I was wondering which section of the population they were doing the study on. The guilty party in bride burning is always the husband's (supposedly the uneducated ones) family alright, but did you notice that 20+%of those girls saying: "..it is our parents' duty to give us". That is a shame. If they are those 'dependent on the father' kind of innocent girls from villages, i won't blame them, but if they are those shorts wearing (with speghetti tops of course)/English (or Assamese) speaking/club visiting"independent" damsels of Assam (or America), they should be kicked (excuse me). I have seen this mentality here in America in some of those "modern thinking" girls. They will go out and live "independently" right when they are 18 (with their parents' contribution of course), and then when they get married they expect the "traditional" Indian wedding with their parents' money. I am talking about the attitude and their use of the word 'independent'. and we parents fall for it too! So, how have you been? Hope you haven't started packing yet, as I suspect if you do, Daisy will have to come and redo your "packing". :) From: Santanu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: Alpana Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] From the AT Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:12:50 -0400 Chan Mahanta wrote: Perhaps, bride burning is not as common in Assam as in Hind-land.. [ The idea of burning a live person to death is a robust tradition in Hind-land society. I mean there are other forms of murder - but this is the one that people are socially adept at. Perhaps, it has to do with cremation of the dead. That's the way to go - they think. Even the most social form os suicide is self-immolation.] ** Actually I think the bride burning tradition evolved from the elegant means of making it look like a kitchen accident. The stove exploded. Or the 'aasol' of the nylon sari caught fire and spread. But those who needed to know knew. C-da: There is truth in what you say. However, there are certain scenes that are forever sketched in my memory. One was during the 1984 Delhi riots where I witnessed helplessly the last part of the act of burning a Sikh person alive (I don't know if he succumbed to the third degree burns later). The crowd was laughing and swearing (this was near Kamla Nagar - close to the police station - near the university) - they had poured kerosene and we came running just hearing the screams of the poor man. But the gentlemen who did this were smiling. They were regular people - I knew some of them - all in white kurtas and pyjamas- they had shops I bought from. And then I saw a fat lady - very motherly - wife of one of them come out with a burning log in her hand - from her kitchen perhaps. "Lagao,, isko lagao..." she was smiling as she beseeched the crowd from the narrow balcony. It was not a lynch crowd with fervor and passion - no mass hysteria. It was a group that had the great "bharatiya" calm and peacefulness written on their face as they proceeded with their act. And I am sure they all went back to have a good lunch of fatty vegetarian pooris and potatoes afterwards; even some cool yoghurt perhaps. It is scenes like this that make me wonder! Santanu. Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
[Assam] An update..
An update on Arup Misra's visit to the US - for the well-wishers of Arup. Arup has successfullypresented his professional paperin the convention in Destin, Florida.It was accepted very well, he was asked many questions on the subject-matter, and they might have their convention in India itself. He was invited to his old friend/mentor/teacher, Dipak Chand Jain's (yes, the Deanat Kellogg school of Business) residence and thus spenta few days with Dipak, looked in and around Chicago including attending another convention as a guestat Kellogg's again. He is still in the US at Santanu's place, if anybody wants to contact him - just to say Hello!, here is his email ID again: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. I am sure he would like to hear'bidexot exaar mitha-maat' from anybody that he knew/taught from/in Assam. --ABS.Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
[Assam] Jamuna and Yamuna
Did you know that these two names (Jamuna and Yamuna) are two different names for two different rivers? To put it in a simple way, Jamuna is Brahmaputra's name in B'Desh, and 'Yamuna isa Ganges tributary'. I didn't. Having fun with this book: Rivers of the World: a social, geographical and environmental Sourcebook/James R. Penn. The coverpage has an Indian river's picturewith the washer-men/women (dhuba-dhubuni-r ghat) washing clothes and of course boats carrying people, even though it includes all the rivers of the world, kind of interesting! It probably isthe Ganges, because the people on the river bank washing clothes, look like commercial washers and does not look Assamese, well, there are no Assamese 'dhuba's in Assam too, are there? So it may very well be the Brahmaputra, but looks pretty narrow, you can see the other side of the river, like being able to see Uttor-Guwahati from Guwahati, which is not possible, if I remember correctly. Well, my thoughts for the day!:) what is yours?MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: Re: [Assam] Laughter is the best medicine
Tilok: what is your 'jaat'? you seem to blame only one group repeatedly, all the time, your name sounds like from that group only. Why don't you do one thing first: change your name (that mightgive you some freedom -you won't have to be scared anymore of someone blaming you forall kinds of"injustice"in India)and treat yourself? I heard that some of the medicine for human beings could be used for dogs/horses, soit could be vice versa. Ortake advice from a real shrink and build some self esteem, will you? may be that way, you won't have to change your name! and who do you blame for each and every group in Assam asking for their "own" homeland? The newspapers are full ofnews on this topic - who is wanting what land!Is it a cry for "power for themselves" (but not for their ownsociety), or is it just some kind of emotional crap or are they trying to be the copy cats - just for the heck of it,without thinking of the consequences - likeincreasing thesufferings of the common people? From: "Tilok Hatimuria" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Laughter is the best medicine Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:30:38 + Dear Sir, My cousin is not married to a Punjabi, but I got these stuff from one of my surdie friends. So do not accuse me of anything! I am not in the business of accusing anybody of anything. I am just an old fashioned kharkhowa analyst who tries to help troubled animals in return for a hardscrabble existence in these High Ozarks mountains. Those were fine pieces of humour that you got from your 'surdie friends'. Very clever. I am sure, you have a more legitimate right to use them, and in your generosity -- to share them with Assam Netters; than say, someone who might be merely related by marriage to someone from Punjab. No need to ask for anticipatory bail here. My interest here is entirely of a scientific and professional nature, dealing with mental health issues. I know I am an expert on large animal mental health only. But humans could fall in the category--it is a borderline case, overlapping the domains of people shrinks as well as animal shrinks. So I hope I could be excused for illustrating the example of my porcine patients, of whom I have several. Very troubled porkers too. Two boars ( not the prettiest of sights!) and three sizable sows actually ( please, no silk-purse jokes) . Nice pigs all. But they don't at all appreciate our traditional insensitivity to what comes naturally to them--to wallow in mud, to make a mess at the dinner trough, oink loudly at the wrong moments--stuff like that. They are always the butt of jokes on account of their body size. Never mind though that we, while savouring a thick juicy slice of ham, never refer to it as smoked pig-butt or big-ass pig-ass. And our farmers never complain of their weight when taking them to the auction at the Dog Patch county fair. Double standard? You bet your a--. So you ask, what does that have to do with 'surd' jokes? Truth be told --- damned if I knew. I don't know any 'surd', let alone a fuming one, to have some insights ( heh-heh) to their states of mind. If they like 'surd' jokes -- 'cause that makes them celebrities of sorts, or they hate them, or they are quite neutral to them, having been desensitized over the generations. Just look at us kharkhowas--we accept our 'lahe-lahe' label in meek subservience, ever since Nehru made it our ethnic ID in that infamous speech at the Noonmati refinery inauguration. Do we question that? Heck no. So probably your 'surdie' friends too are in the same state of mind. But I get mixed signals on these issues. All the time. Take the case of South Asians in England. They hate it when white punks refer to them as Pakis. I am sure you won't. Because you would first consider the 'source'. Or take the case of South Asians in US campuses ( OK campii) , where white punks call them 'camel-jockeys'. Do they get mad? Well--I don't know. I guess it varies. The American born types just shrug it off, but the desi-born ones arc off the walls of their dorms, I am told. Too thin skinned? I don't know. Never performed an autopsy . But somehow, I think it would be resonable to suspect that these folks in these situations where they are picked on by their fellow men, or animals for that matter, even if without malice, could get old you know? Occasionally even nasty. Did you hear of the rebellion of Sikhs demanding a Khalistani homeland? Do you think Sikh disaffectations had something to do with it? I know, I know--it was not because of 'surdie' jokes. But you know something, I would bet you a rupee that the attitudes of their brethren, mostly their Hindu counterparts of their homeland - the Punjab, who created 'surd' jokes, contributed some fuel to that fire. In fact most of it. So you ask what my prescription is? Well, it is not often that I shy away from a stiff dose of Xanax or Prozac. But
[Assam] citronella
(Citronella). Does anybody know if this plant is available in Assam and what it is called in Assamese? Anyidea, C'da or AKN, probably?Seems like it keeps the bugs away like the citronella sprays, candles etc. The Neem tree should do the job, but I think it is "harmless" to the bugs unless that paste or oil is made out of it. I just boil some neem leaves (proudly own a small tree since the year 2000 :)), let it cool down, add more waterand throw it on my vegetable garden - to save the 'bhendi's, 'lao-bengena's and the 'jucchini's from those small insects. Btw,am beginning to have agreen thumb now. :) Since assam net is slow today, thought would ask for some gardening tips - Assamese style gardening.Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] citronella
I think that was a different (probably the main :)) variety. I saw this in an image search for citronella. But the one that some one gave to Ramgopal (saying it was citronella) looks like the one I sent, and smells good. You can get the smell from 10 feet away when watering the plant. What is it called it Assamese? sitronela? From: D Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] citronella Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 11:18:47 -0700 (PDT) It grows in abundance in Assam. In fact there was a thriving industry around it for a while. A friend of mine also started a Citronella processing plant in Assam, to extract the oil. I understand he abandoned the plant later, for whatever reasons. Citronella plant really looks like grass. Dilip Deka Citronella - Scientific name: Cymbopogon nardus (L.) rendleSynonym: Andropogon nardus L..Common name: CitronellaLocal name: Serai wangiFamily: Graminae BOTANICAL DESCRIPTION HARVESTING USES IN TRADITIONAL MEDICINE INDUSTRIALLY IMPORTANT CHEMICALS "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: (Citronella). Does anybody know if this plant is available in Assam and what it is called in Assamese? Any idea, C'da or AKN, probably? Seems like it keeps the bugs away like the citronella sprays, candles etc. The Neem tree should do the job, but I think it is "harmless" to the bugs unless that paste or oil is made out of it. I just boil some neem leaves (proudly own a small tree since the year 2000 :)), let it cool down, add more water and throw it on my vegetable garden - to save the 'bhendi's, 'lao-bengena's and the 'jucchini's from those small insects. Btw, am beginning to have a green thumb now. :) Since assam net is slow today, thought would ask for some gardening tips - Assamese style gardening. - Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam - Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] citronella
i think it also goes by the name of lemon grass. snails cooked with lemon grass is particularly delicious. the smaller variety, no wonder last time when I visited home, there was no 'xaamuk' on our 'sutal'. :) :) From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: D Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] citronella Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:29:58 -0400 D Deka said on AssamNet: + + Citronella plant really looks like grass. i think it also goes by the name of lemon grass. snails cooked with lemon grass is particularly delicious. the smaller variety, that you need to use a tooth pick to pull out, if you cant suck on them. -- saurav Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] citronella
I know, in fact I tried Oyster(from the same family, I guess) once in an 'authentic' Chinese restaurant - 'Oyster in brown sauce' - was hoping to bite on a pearl too.The saucetasted good, even swallowedpart of anoyster too - got sick,threw up all nightand gave up being adventurous on that line. :) From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] citronella Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:50:32 -0400 Alpana B. Sarangapani said on AssamNet: no wonder last time when I visited home, there was no 'xaamuk' on our 'sutal'. these snails are delicious, if you can get over the association with the slimy ones that you see in assam. they look something like this: http://www.vncuisine.com/ingre_detail.php?lang=ENingid=238 the pointy ends are knocked off, so that the juice can seep in while they are being cooked. my guess is snails are well loved in southeast asia. maybe anjan-da too finds them a delicacy. -- saurav Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
RE: [Assam] Demise of Dr. H. P. Das
Hi Satyen Da Namita-ba: Pleaseacceptand convey our condolences to his family in Guwahati. Prof. Das did not know me, but my husband Ramgopal knew him very well. Ram grew up with two of his sons, Kanu and Sanu. Another stalwart of Gauhati University has gone away, but people of Assam will remember himthrough the history books on 'higher educationof Assam'. May hisdeparted soul rest in peace. Sincerely, Alpana Ramgopal Sarangapani Houston, Texas. From: "Kamna Das" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "dasfam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: "[EMAIL PROTECTED] (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [Assam] Demise of Dr. H. P. Das Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 13:07:28 -0400 Please accept our condolences. Prof. H.P.Das was a very well known figure in G.University. He was a very good friend of our family. Prof Das's youngest son BP Das was my brother's collegue in Pillani. May the departed soul rest in peace. Kamna and Shonit Das -Original Message- From: dasfam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Demise of Dr. H. P. Das This is to inform you the sad demise of Dr. H. P. Das(Hariprasanna Das) today morning at 9.15 AM. Dr. Das was the Head of the department of Geography from the beginning of Guwahati University. He was also known for his text book on Geography, "Adarxa Bhogol" in Assamese. He was my wife Namita's Khura (paternal uncle) and Ananta Sankar Senapati's Mama (maternal uncle). May the departed soul rest in peace in his heavenly abode. Satyen Das Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
[Assam] The Guru
Has anybody seen this movie? Haven't seena'botola' movie like this in ages. Saurav, you must have! won't recommend, if you haven't. whatwasMarisa Tomeiand others thinking even after seeing the script?Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
[Assam] for youths in Assam
Here is what one of the readers/netters fromAssam,is asking us to do. Any idea on what we can do, collectively/individually? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dipankar Malla Baruah) Reply-To: "D M Baruah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Hello Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:04:20 +0530 Dear Madam, Thanks for ur prompt reply. What we need from the people residing outside is proper guidance so that the young generation dont go astray. Please do something to help the young boys and girls in Assam realise that they also can make their dreams come true. You all can be idols for them. Dipankar D M Baruah Sr. Engineer Well Logging Deptt Oil India Ltd Duliajan 786 602 Assam Tel No 0374 2803017 (R) - Original Message - From: Alpana Sarangapani To: D M Baruah Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: Re: Hello Thank you. I sure hope so too. Please send your views to Assam Net, so that we know how real people in Assam are doing or feeling about things. With best wishes, --A. Sarangapani - Original Message - From: Dipankar Malla Baruah To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:58 PM Subject: Hello Dear Madam, I have been reading your views on assam digest. I appreciate your non biased and thought provoking views. Hope you will continue to do so. Dipankar D M Baruah Sr Engineer Oil India Ltd. Duliajan Assam Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] Check from Assam 2002
government? No! Forregular people, Yes. I don't have a say on this kind of money (lately, I realized Ibelong to a specialclass created by the elites,just for being a bystander in everything - the Indian (Hindu) mentality of creating a class/caste would never leave us, no matter how much we scream about hating it), but in any (other) possible way to help the regular people - any ghotiram, batiram, not necessarily a full institution that makes itto the newspapers. From: "Bharat B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Check from Assam 2002 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:01:43 -0400 Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ---BeginMessage--- I understand "work work and no play make Jack a dull boy", but it will be even a better tradition if those left over money goes to some charity in Assam instead of merry making. After all, most of us here in USA got subsidized education through the Govt of Assam as well as India. My two cents. From: D Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, J Kalita <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Check from Assam 2002 Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:05:22 -0700 (PDT) It is very nice of Jugal to renew the tradition that was started in Houston in 1999. The Houston Host Committee forwarded all of its surplus money (more than $2200 if I recall correctly) to the New Jersey Host Committee as seed money for the next convention. How that money got used and whether New Jersey could send some to Toronto I don't know since the balance sheet for the New Jersey convention was not published. It appears the tradition died somewhere along the line and it is good to hear that it is being resuscitated. Dilip Deka P.S. It needs to be a standard practice to make convention accounting public information. As I remember only Houston and Toronto released the balance sheets since joint conventions started. Chan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi Jugal: Thanks for the check from the Assam 2002 surplus funds. It was very thoughtful of you and the Denver Host Committee to have forwarded what was left over and we, the Assam 2003 Host Committee appreciate it much. You might like to know that we in St. Louis too resolved earlier that any fund left over ( if we are so fortunate :-)), then we will forward it for the benefit of the next Oxom Xonmilon. We hope it will become the tradition. Take care and see you in St. Louis in three weeks. c-da ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam - Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam ---End Message---
Re: [Assam] Re: Check from Assam 2002
Orlando Convention?that is so wonderful. I didn't know that this kind of constructive work has been done. good work. all the stories have been making a lot of us skeptical about many things, but it is good to know from a person with first-hand experince like this. From: "Bharat B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Re: Check from Assam 2002 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:56:22 -0400 Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.---BeginMessage--- I think charities start at home; Mr. Mahanta and Mr. Nath should not discredit all charitable organizations in one stroke of a pen. I guess they took the term "Charities" in a limited context. I also failed to explicitly spell it out; it can be anything--educational institution, social organization or NGO. Director Hazarika has rightly expressed how money can be utilized properly back home. There are lot of NGOs also doing excellent job these days in Assam. Two years back, I had the misfortune to take one of my distant relatives to Asom Mahila Samiti's "Women Legal Defense Cell" office, Guwahati, for some legal help in a marital discord.I was surprised to finda sign that says "these rooms were constructed from donations, Assam Orlando Convention, USA". Another person--managing secretary--once asked me donations for a venture college in Darrang District. By the time my money reached him, everything was dismantled.Authority thought the managing! committee--Unnyayan Samiti--was a front for some terror group. I was surprised that the secy. returned my money with an apology. Neverthless, he had the power to use that money anyway he liked! These are my sweet experiences. From: "Anjan K. Nath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "shantikam hazarika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Check from Assam 2002 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:02:51 +0800 Dear Shantikam, Glad to hear what you have said, but we were talking of "charities" and surely your august institution would not fall under that category; but do keep us posted and maybe we can do something together. Anjan - Original Message - From: shantikam hazarika To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:13 AM Subject: Check from Assam 2002 I must say that we at the Assam Institute of Management would really be able to do something if we get some donations for our institute. we have the requsite permission from the government of India for accepting donations and they can be made to us through CAS. In fact a few NRI well-wishers have done so and we had more than a lakh and half of rupees in the fund. we are using it for computers and equipment for our institute. we can assure that the money will be accounted for and scruplously utilised.Our annual accounts are audited and have to be passed by the Governing Body and the General Body every year before we can hope for further grant-in-aid from the state government. Shantikam Hazarika Director, Assam Institute of Management PO Box 30, GUWAHATI 781001, India TF: +91-361-2654813/2654815 (0) 2666570 (R) Fax: 2551071 HOME PAGE: www.aimguwahati.com From: "Anjan K. Nath" To: "Bharat B" , "Chan Mahanta" CC: Subject: Re: [Assam] Check from Assam 2002 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:26:57 +0800 Hear , hear. Well said! I too hesitate to make contributions to so called "charities" in Assam these days as one is never sure that the money is used for the meant purpose. I wonder what has become of the latest organization that we heard of recently. They have not made any audible sounds of late and I thought that they were interested in tapping and picking the brains of the expats. Anjan *** That is certainly a nice thought, a constructive idea. But it would be like asking BB to donate all his spare money to worthwhile charities in Assam. Expat Assamese DO indeed do their share for chartities in Assam and India too, in addition to what they participate in right here in their adopted land/s. Unfortunately, a singular impediment to WIDER participation in charitable efforts in Assam, has often been the inability to get anything DONE with the donations. I can cite a number of contributions to major and 'reputable' organizations in Assam, which have remained either unused or unaccounted for a number of years. -- They're big powerful. The macho mean machines! SUVs are here to stay! MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam ---End Message---
[Assam] food: about sprouting beans
Not an interesting topic for many, but am desperate - helping a friend to eat healthy, who is interested in making her own bean sprouts. Theproblem is: they don't sprout in the fridge, and if you keep outside the fridge for long, they get rotten. How do you sprout them like in the chinese stores, well, little less than that would be okay, I guess. So I am instructing her to soakthemung beans (like our but-mogu), but am kinda stuck on instructing on how to get those long sprouts.Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] food: about sprouting beans
If anybody else is interested, an anonymousfriend sent this page: http://www.sproutpeople.com/seed/mung.htmlmore than I wanted to know :). thanks. From: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] food: about sprouting beans Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:53:21 -0500 Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.---BeginMessage--- Not an interesting topic for many, but am desperate - helping a friend to eat healthy, who is interested in making her own bean sprouts. Theproblem is: they don't sprout in the fridge, and if you keep outside the fridge for long, they get rotten. How do you sprout them like in the chinese stores, well, little less than that would be okay, I guess. So I am instructing her to soakthemung beans (like our but-mogu), but am kinda stuck on instructing on how to get those long sprouts.Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam ---End Message---
Re: [Assam] Re: Check from Assam 2002
I guess I do (or am supposed to).But in democracy, the majority rules and since the topic is in now, here is what I have to say: All I recall is: it came to a point for me that until the last minute (ultimately, I paid that "donation"after the convention was over)I was looking for a suitable place in Assam to send my portion of the "pledged money". Then I gave in - had to go by "my word". Everything was (politically) correct. I can't or am not blaming anyone. It is just not my style - not in a million years I will do that again. From: D Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: Check from Assam 2002 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:00:07 -0700 (PDT) Most of the AANA conventions before Orlando had deficit and the deficit was due to the fact that the convention registration fee was kept low in order to encourage more participation from the community. At the end of the convention, always some generous AANA members would be found who would donate enough to cover the deficit. I doubt if there ever was a surplus in a convention before Orlando. You know the details about the Houston convention in 1999 better than I since you were a member of the host committee and I was away from Houston during much of that time. The published balance sheet showed a surplus and the host committee (including you) decided to send that money to the New Jersey Host Committee as seed money. In my opinion that was a wise decision in the interest of the North American Assamese community. Just for information, many smaller Assamese communities in USA are afraid to host the convention for fear of deficit and lack of seed money. Dilip Deka "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: I understand and thank you for the details. But did that happen only in that year? Why not before or after? Was there a strategic change at that point? That 'noi' could flow any time. From: D Deka To: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" , [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: Check from Assam 2002 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:32:30 -0700 (PDT) You may find the following interesting in the sense that it proves the Assamese saying, " Raize nakh jokaarile noi bai." The organizers of the 1998 AANA convention in Orlando were apprehensive at the beginning that they would run at a serious deficit. Finally with overwhelming attendance and generous contribution from members, and through the host committee's tight control of expenses, that convention came up with a surplus. The host committee chose to send the surplus money to the worthy cause in Guwahati through the supervision of Mrs. Kamalkumari Baruah. It is good to hear that the recipients of the donation have installed a permanent recognition. Dilip Deka "Alpana B. Sarangapani" wrote: Orlando Convention? that is so wonderful. I didn't know that this kind of constructive work has been done. good work. all the stories have been making a lot of us skeptical about many things, but it is good to know from a person with first-hand experince like this. From: "Bharat B" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Re: Check from Assam 2002 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:56:22 -0400 - Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 From: "Bharat B" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Re: Check from Assam 2002 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:56:22 -0400 I think charities start at home; Mr. Mahanta and Mr. Nath should not discredit all charitable organizations in one stroke of a pen. I guess they took the term "Charities" in a limited context. I also failed to explicitly spell it out; it can be anything--educational institution, social organization or NGO. Director Hazarika has rightly expressed how money can be utilized properly back home. There are lot of NGOs also doing excellent job these days in Assam. Two years back, I had the misfortune to take one of my distant relatives to Asom Mahila Samiti's "Women Legal Defense Cell" office, Guwahati, for some legal help in a marital discord. I was surprised to find a sign that says "these rooms were constructed from donations, Assam Orlando Convention, USA". Another person--managing secretary--once asked me donations for a venture college in Darrang District. By the time my money reached him, everything was dismantled. Authority thought the managing! committe! e--Unnyayan Samiti--was a front for some terror gr
Re: [Assam] Re: Check from Assam 2002
Soyou do understand when people try to make themselves look good, don't you? But don't worry I was not totally trying to impress you, just blurted out things. But don't get me wrong. It was not about the left-over money going to the next convention. That was least of my concern - in fact I thought that was the practical thing to do, instead of (like the tradition in some important placesback home) dividing the money amongst the members and buying personal properties. And don't worry, you have the advantage of your fake name - you can be blunt. But do you really need that in this case? From: "Bharat B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: Check from Assam 2002 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:58:09 -0400 message3.txt STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* Oops sorry; I take back my words. It was not a missed opportunity for ABS. Being an Assamese, I can understand all those push and pulls from the committee members. I guess unintentionally I am right citing those tides and waves. From: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: Check from Assam 2002 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 14:25:35 -0500 MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.
[Assam] Re: correction
So, no need to draw any conclusions against Houston, I take that back. One can drawany conclusion on any placeprovided theyknowthe history. Now the question is who will tell history, that too an unbiased one! From: "Alpana Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bharat B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: Check from Assam 2002 Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 21:14:33 -0500 Yes, you didn't. You also didn't know that DD was the president of AANA (IIRC and FYI, it was an AANA convention), during the ORLANDO convention, did you? So, no need to draw any conclusions against Houston, and credit goes to where it belongs. - Original Message - From: Bharat B To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: Check from Assam 2002 Thanks for these info. I never knew that these educated Assamese professionals had to be subsidized for merry making. Kudos to the folks from ORLANDO. I guees it was a missed opportunity for the folks in Houston including ABS and DD! In lighter vein, the Noi did not bai in Houston against those tides and waves in the estuaries To be precise, it seems a long day in my office today! Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] Re: correction
Welcome aboard - from one old netter to a new one. It will take you more than 2 days to know the pulse of this net. And trust me, you will get some constructive things out of here, provided you stay. So, hang in there. No matter where we are, we Assamese can never leave bitching against each other and looking at life Again, if you stay long enough, you will know, we are a sober group of people who hardly use a word that might be offensive to a civil society - if we qualify to be civil, that is. We also try not to judge others or draw conclusions,without knowing the history, of course. :) Hope you have a good experience here soon, and hope not to disappoint you too much for you to leave us. But trust me again, we are not that bad - we can be friendly. :) Wish you the best. From: "Faridur Rahman Choudhury" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Re: correction Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:07:46 +0530 message3.txt Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. Hi all When I subscribed to this mailing list I expected some bright and intellectual Assamese people living in different parts of the world to be sharing their experiences and knowledge to others. But from the mails I've been reading since the last two days since I subscribed, I can only draw one conclusion. The members of this list only fling mud on each other. They are only discussing money and their respective associations and are hell bent on pulling each other's hair. No matter wherewe are, we Assamese can never leave bitching against each other and looking at life with a narrow perspective. Please change for the betterment of Assam. For those living outside India, which the majority of the members of this list are, please share your professional experiences so that those who live in India can learn and be aware of if they happen to move abroad. Personal mails be please communicated to the personal IDs instead of posting in the boards. Regards Faridur Rahman Choudhury RMSI Pvt. Ltd. A-7, Sector - 16 NOIDA - 201301 Phone : +91 118 251 1102 (Off) Mobile : +919891121788 Web: www.designsbyfarid.com (personal)www.rmsi.com (corporate) Original Message Follows---- From: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Re: correction Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:14:23 -0500 It's magic. It's a whole new world. It's the Windows XP experience.
Re: [Assam] Surplus from Houston
Dear Mr. Bhuyan: I am guilty of that too. Thank you for reminding. Now Iremember even more ofthe good democratic process of the convention. I sure did not mean to mislead anyone by any means. Being one of the "host committee" members, virtually or not, I do feel obligated to apologize for chiming in without any intention, whatsoever. It is just that I was least interested thenand am now to serve in any kind of committee of this sort. I have both -phobia and hatred for the word 'politics' (clean or nasty) - regardless of the size of the community. Nowit is confirmed that I will not be hired as any kind of a member, is not it? :) Sorry for wastingyour timewiththis little joke, just couldnot avoid it. Sincerely, A. Sarangapani From: Kedar Bhuyan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Dilip Deka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: Chandan Mahanta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Assam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Assam] Surplus from Houston Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:24:53 -0700 (PDT) Dear Dilip: Your emails regarding surplus drew quite a bit of attention in many quarters of Assamese community across USA. I am not a member of Assam net, so I did not have the opportunity to read your emails in real time. But there is so much interest about the comments you made that some very respected community members have forwarded your emails to me and personally called me and discussed about it. 20th Assam Convention/26th Assam Day was held in Houston long time ago. Your memory regarding that may be getting a little bit fogy by now. The surplus from Houston was not given to Cherry Hill organizers as seed money as you have suggested. In stead the surplus (you said $2200) was in fact given to AFNA. Chairperson of Houston verbally told me at that time that the surplus amount was given to AFNA to administer for the benefit of future Assam Conferences. It was not a donation to AFNA. The surplus was for the sole use of future Assam Conferences. Out of this Houston surplus AFNA loaned $2000.00 to Cherry Hill organizers. I was a director of AFNA during that time. Per AFNA Presidents email to the Board of AFNA Directors (attached here as ready reference) Cherry Hill organizers repaid $1500.00 to AFNA with $500.00 remained unpaid. Cherry Hill could not return remaining $500.00 because there was no more fund left. AFNA had rejected Torontos request for fund from Houston surplus amount. Similarly Denver also did not get any money from this Houston surplus amount. Hence balance of the Houston Surplus is still with AFNA. Surplus from Toronto was directly given (not a loan) to Denver. Similarly Denver is also directly given (not a loan) the surplus to St. Louis. Now instead of looking backward I would like to look forward for a brighter future and better co- operation from the entire Assamese community. Joint conferences of all Assamese organizations are still evolving. There are lots of areas that need stream lining. Surplus or deficit is one such area. I think that the surplus from Assam 2003 or beyond should directly go to the next years organizing committee. Any surplus fund should not be used or diverted for any other purposes. Our community leaders should openly discuss these matters in St. Louis and find out where lies the consensus. So far we have only discussed about the surplus. What about the deficit? Who is responsible for any deficit? Suppose there is a big deficit at St. Louis and then is the Chairman personally responsible or liable? Or entire organizing committee is jointly and severally responsible? If they are not responsible, who is? Unless we openly discuss these matters and come to a consensus, in the future very few people will be coming forward to take this responsibility. Organizing Assam Conference is a thankless job with no material upside, whereas it potentially carries a huge personal liability. This is one the reasons that now a days people are very reluctant to take that responsibility. Thanks. With best regards Kedar Bhuyan - Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). AFNAPresidentsemail.doc MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] mango alphonso
Saurav: I only saw canned mango sites, how do you order fresh mango online? are they available in Guwahati itself?Can they do it by tomorrow's father's day? :) From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Alpana Sarangapani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: AssamNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Assam] mango alphonso Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 21:57:09 -0400 alpana-baideu, lengra is not alphonso. lengra comes from bihar, whereas alphonso comes from around bombay. most of us have not have had too many alphonsos. but most of middle-east have. i am reading that due to the war in iraq, alphonso exports are down. now is a good time for indians to enjoy the fruit. there are some online wallahs who are offering alphonso shipments to many parts of india, guwahati included. so you may get 2 dozen alphonsos delivered to people back home. a nice gift, i should think. saurav Alpana Sarangapani said on AssamNet: + http://www.indiaagronet.com/indiaagronet/community/specificfarmers/Export%20 + of%20Mangoes.htm + + Yes, I heard that too. Look into the above site, from where I got this + stanza below, Saurav: + "The US and Japanese markets are not accessible to Indian mangoes due to + strict plant quarantine standards which require vapour heat treatment. + The vapour heat treatment facility is not available in India." + + India produces 63% of world mango production, can you believe that? It is + not very popular amongst the North Americans, though. Just the South + Americans love it like us, I guess. BTW, is this alphanso called 'lengra + aam' in Assam? + + this 'lengera aam' reminds me of an old Bihari lady who came to sell these + to our house in Guwahati. She had the Parkinson's disease I think, always + had her hands shaken when she weighed the mangoes on her little + 'doga-palla'. We helped her to hold the 'doga-palla' but never thought + deeply about difficult her life was. + + Anyway, hope India gets the 'vapour heat treatment facility' soon, so that + it is available for us here :). In the mean time have some mango-kulfi from + the grocery store. :) + + + + + - Original Message - + From: "Saurav Pathak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> + To: "AssamNet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> + Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 4:46 PM + Subject: [Assam] mango alphonso + + + does anyone know whether they can be had, in the u.s. our local + india groccer told me indian mangoes donot make it to the u.s market + due to some fda rule. does anyone have an idea? + + thanks, + -- + saurav + ___ + Assam mailing list + [EMAIL PROTECTED] + http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam + -- saurav ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
[Assam] Digboi - the name
Never thought of the origion or the etymology of this name. How did Digboi get it's name? Is it by the term that the 'sahab's used when they saw oil, like saying'dig boy, dig'? A non-Assamese friend told me about it. so was wondering if it is true!Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Re: [Assam] test2 -- pl ignore
Saurav: while you are at it, could you change the order of the Archived messages to show the latest message first, instead of the earliest (for the month) message first, if it is possible? I am talking about the part when you go to "New Archive" and choose "Date"from assam.org. thanks. From: Saurav Pathak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: AssamNet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Assam] test2 -- pl ignore Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 16:56:58 -0400 -- saurav ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
Fwd: Re: [Assam] Digboi - the name
another viewdid I send this before? sorry then. From: "Manash Buragohain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Assam] Digboi - the name Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 00:24:05 +0530 Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. The explanation of the name Digboi you have suggested is the most popular and most prevalent. But I can't get any written or any other form of authentic proof for this. The etymologyI believe was spreadsolely through word of mouth from generations. The etymological explanation nevertheless has a charm of its own, so why not accept it. Manash Placing one foot in front of the other, I've climbed to higher lengths.Reaching beyond my own limitations, to show my inner strength.No obstacle to hard for this warrior to overcome.I'm just a man on a mission, to prove my disability hasn't won. Original Message Follows---- From: "Alpana B. Sarangapani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Assam] Digboi - the name Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:30:04 -0500 ---BeginMessage--- Never thought of the origion or the etymology of this name. How did Digboi get it's name? Is it by the term that the 'sahab's used when they saw oil, like saying'dig boy, dig'? A non-Assamese friend told me about it. so was wondering if it is true!Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam ---End Message---
[Assam] candle cut
From the TOI Styling hair with burning candlesREUTERS[ TUESDAY, JUNE 24, 2003 10:38:37 AM ] MUMBAI: A barber has abandoned his scissors for a unique hair-cutting technique which is steadily gaining in popularity -- burning the hair off with a candle. Hair stylist Aqueel Kiratpuri, 44, boasts Bollywood actors and actresses among the customers for his so-called "club cutting" technique. Kiratpuri said in Mumbai that he shortens the hair by burning it off with a candle. "We then give an angle and direction to the hair and mould it in the direction demanded by the customer according to the latest trend," he said. Many of his customers now swear by the technique. "Initially I was a bit afraid of getting my hair styled in this way, but I must say there isn't anything to be afraid of," said Imtiaz, an elated customer. The one-hour operation has another advantage over conventional haircuts -- there is no mess to brush up afterwards as the hair is simply burned away.Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. ___ Assam mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pikespeak.uccs.edu/mailman/listinfo/assam
