date:20060629

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 -jivanmuktiviveka, Treatise on Cosmic Consciousness 
 standard work in the Shankaracharya trad. on this topic.


Thanks, Vaj, for mentioning that treatise. VidyaaraNya's(?)
Sanskrit seems way cool. An example:

41.yady api pata §jalin aabhautikabhÂtatanm aatrendriy aaha ¸k aar 
aadivi ¢ay aa² sa ¸-
praj §aatasavikalpasam aadhayo bahudh aaprapa §cit aa²,tath aapi te ¢
aam antardh aan aadisiddhi-
hetutay aamuktihetusam aadhivirodhitv aan n aasm aabhis tatr aadara ² 
kriyate..42.tath aaca
sÂtritam:
te samaadhaav upasargaa vyutthaane siddhaya ² ||[YS 3.38 ] iti..
43.sth aanyupanimantraýe saÔgasmay aakaraýa ¸ punar ani ¢ÒaprasaÔg 
aat |[YS 3.51 ] iti ca..

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  For the past few days, I've been contributing to the wikipedia entry on 
  Transcendental 
  Meditation. Boy, is that fun in dysfunctional sort of way. Between Peter, 
  Andrew 
Skolnick 
 and 
  myself, we've managed to completely rewrite the whole thing about 10x over.
  
  http://www.wikipedia.org keyword: transcendental meditation. Click on the 
  history 
 tab to 
  see what I mean...
 
 
 Due to the vandalism by peter and myself, Andrew has asked for an editorial 
 lock to be 
 placed on the TM entry in wikipedia. Here is my response to andrew's claim 
 that my last 
 contribution was vandalism. I think he's more paranoid than ever, to be 
 honest:
 
 
 vandalism by moi?
 
 Andrew, you justified your reverting of my edit of the lawsuit text because I 
 was being a 
 vandal. Here is your original text, followed by my revision:

Andrew has since apologized to me twice. I'm under the impression that he gets 
so mad at 
New Agers or anyone who believes in anyting that smacks of the New Age stuff, 
that he 
automatically assumes the worse.  

I'll say this for Andrew. He's an equal-opportunity cynic. Look at this 
apparently ongoing 
exchange between him and Brian Josephson concerning Josephson's 
psychic-oriented 
stuff. He goes for the throat, automatically:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Natasha_Demkina/Archive2






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic knowledge will be complete in the awareness of everyone

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'The whole galactic universe
   
   Galactic universe??
  
  Universe of galaxies?
 
 As opposed to what other kind of universe?


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[FairfieldLife] 'Mantras for Intensifying Earth Forces'

2006-06-29 Thread Robert Gimbel

I have found these mantras, somewhere;
Back in the day...

For the purification of the earth;
and general realms of life on this planet.


Shri Agnim Namah Aum

Shri Indra Namah Aum

Shri Shivaiyam Namah Aum

Shri Vaiyam Namah Aum

Shri Vaiyaisam Namah Aum

For purification of the natural forces, allowing the intellence in 
nature, to purify the earth; as it should...and will.

Fire; Thunder/lightnings storms; Shiva(purifyer); Wind; Water...





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[FairfieldLife] maadhava-vidyaaraNya?


6
1.3 Authorship of the J vanmuktiviveka
Despite all that has been written about the sage Vidy raýya,we have 
little reliable
data on his identity.I want to consider first the clues available in 
his own writings.In
the beginning of the JMV itself,the author outlines the plan of his 
book,naming the four types of renouncers,and says Now,the practices 
of these (renouncers)have
been described by us in the commentary on the P r arasmÁti .Here 
the paramaha ¸sa
is described.[1.0.11 ] These words by themselves are the single best 
evidence we
have that Vidy raýya the author of the JMV is the same as M dhava 
the author of the
P M.We find in the introductory verses 6 7 of the P M that the 
author was the son
of M yaýa and ¯r mat ,brother of S yaýa and Bhogan tha.He was 
the disciple of
the ¯aÔkar c ryas Vidy t rtha and Bh rat t rtha.These verses 
also mentions
¯r kaýÒhan tha,who may have been his family's preceptor.He studied 
the black
Yajurveda and the Baudh yana dharmasÂtra and belonged to the Bh 
radv ja-gotra.9
His date of birth is unknown;however,according to an inscription 
preserved at the
¯ÁÔgeri maÒha ,we may be certain he died in 1386.10

more:
 
http://robgoodd.net/r_goodding.pdf

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eternally Supportless Pure Consciousness and the Liberation of Individuality

On Jun 29, 2006, at 3:29 AM, cardemaister wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -jivanmuktiviveka, "Treatise on Cosmic Consciousness " standard work in the Shankaracharya trad. on this topic. Thanks, Vaj, for mentioning that treatise. VidyaaraNya's(?) Sanskrit seems way cool. An example: 41.yady api pata §jalin aabhautikabhÂtatanm aatrendriy aaha ¸k aar aadivi ¢ay aa² sa ¸- praj §aatasavikalpasam aadhayo bahudh aaprapa §cit aa²,tath aapi te ¢ aam antardh aan aadisiddhi- hetutay aamuktihetusam aadhivirodhitv aan n aasm aabhis tatr aadara ² kriyate..42.tath aaca sÂtritam: te samaadhaav upasargaa vyutthaane siddhaya ² ||[YS 3.38 ] iti.. 43.sth aanyupanimantraýe saÔgasmay aakaraýa ¸ punar ani ¢ÒaprasaÔg aat |[YS 3.51 ] iti ca.. Gladly! Unfortunately cut and pasting from Gooddings version will not work as a good transliteration as it is encoded in a CSX font. So it usually won't look good in ASCII or HTML.The nice thing about Gooddings version is he is the first westerner to actually go to India to investigate the various versions of the text, identify their differences and rectify the mistakes based on his findings in discussion with pundits there.
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[FairfieldLife] Bush's friends, the Saudis

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885867182pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Jun. 28, 2006 0:50 | Updated Jun. 28, 2006 3:14 *Number of US visas to Saudis doubles* By MICHAEL FREUND For the first time since the September 11 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington, the US State Department has begun to sharply increase the number of entry visas granted to Saudi Arabian nationals seeking to visit the United States,/ The Jerusalem Post/ has learned. Figures obtained by the/ Post/ reveal that after three years of steady decline, 2005 saw the number of US visas issued to Saudis remain relatively stable, while this year the number has more than doubled. In an e-mail to the/ Post/, Amanda D. Rogers-Harper, a spokeswoman for the US State Department, confirmed that as of June 10, a total of 18,683 non-immigrant US visas had been issued to Saudi citizens since the start of the current fiscal year. "This," she noted, "is twice as many as the 9,338 issuances to Saudis" in the corresponding period last year, marking an increase of over 100 percent in just the past 12 monthshttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/25/wsaudi25.xmlsSheet=/news/2006/06/25/ixnews.html *Christians still 'swine' and Jews 'apes' in Saudi schools* *By Harry de Quetteville, Middle East Correspondent* (Filed: 25/06/2006) Saudi Arabia has been accused of continuing to foster religious hatred in its schools, despite its repeated assurances since the September 11 attacks that it would rewrite textbooks that refer to Jews as "apes" and Christians as "swine". The charges come after Freedom House, a non-partisan American research group which monitors civil rights worldwide, examined textbooks that it smuggled out of Saudi Arabia. The group found that despite promises of change from leading Saudi officials, including Saud al-Faisal, the foreign minister, and Turki al-Faisal, the ambassador to America, schoolbooks in the kingdom still promote hatred of those who do not practise its strict form of Wahhabi Islam. The report also alleged that some of the textbooks are used in official Saudi schools around the world. Senior staff at the King Fahd Academy in Acton, west London, which has 750 pupils, said that it was not for the school to comment. "Even if only a small percentage of the people who are exposed to this take it to heart and act on it, that's still a lot of people," said Nina Shea, Freedom House's director, after the release of the 39-page report, Saudi Arabia's Curriculum of Intolerance. The report cites extracts from textbooks used in religious education classes for children aged between five and 16. It quotes the following exercise for the youngest children: "Fill in the blanks with the appropriate words (Islam, hellfire): Every religion other than --- is false. Whoever dies outside of Islam enters ---." It claims that older students are taught: "It is part of God's wisdom that the struggle between the Muslim and the Jews should continue until the hour (of judgment)." The report is an embarrassment for the Saudi government, which has made great efforts to restore its image since being painted as a bastion of extremism after September 11. When it emerged that 15 of the 19 hijackers that day were Saudi, many blamed the kingdom's education system for breeding hatred. Last month, however, only days before the report was released, the Saudi education minister gave a joint press conference with the American secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, in which he boasted of Saudi school reform. "The education reforms in Saudi Arabia go beyond textbook rewriting," he said. "They go into teacher training [and] the messages that are given to children in the formative yearsŠ The whole system of education is being transformed from top to bottom." When asked about offensive language in textbooks, he said: "This is taken out." But, according to Miss Shea, this is not true. "Teaching methods that ask kindergarten children to give examples of 'false religions', like Judaism and Christianity, add up to an ideology that runs throughout," she said. "It is not hate speech here and there. It adds up to an argument, an ideology of us versus them." In the Saudi capital, Riyadh, the accusations are being investigated. "We do think some things need to be changed," Abdullah al-Obeid, the Saudi education minister, admitted. "There is some misunderstanding of some of the texts." But according to Tanya Hsu, a political analyst in Riyadh with close ties to the education ministry, there is anger behind the scenes at an alleged propaganda campaign designed to make the government look bad. "The charges are absolutely not true," she said. "We're really just looking at a few sentences and a few words. I don't know of any country in the world that doesn't have a few mischosen words in textbooks." The report comes as the Saudi royal family walks a fine line between external pressure to reform and internal conservative pockets that

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   For the past few days, I've been contributing to the wikipedia 
entry on Transcendental 
   Meditation. Boy, is that fun in dysfunctional sort of way. 
Between Peter, Andrew 
 Skolnick 
  and 
   myself, we've managed to completely rewrite the whole thing 
about 10x over.
   
   http://www.wikipedia.org keyword: transcendental meditation. 
Click on the history 
  tab to 
   see what I mean...
  
  
  Due to the vandalism by peter and myself, Andrew has asked for 
an editorial lock to be 
  placed on the TM entry in wikipedia. Here is my response to 
andrew's claim that my last 
  contribution was vandalism. I think he's more paranoid than 
ever, to be honest:
  
  
  vandalism by moi?
  
  Andrew, you justified your reverting of my edit of the lawsuit 
text because I was being a 
  vandal. Here is your original text, followed by my revision:
 
 Andrew has since apologized to me twice. I'm under the impression 
that he gets so mad at 
 New Agers or anyone who believes in anyting that smacks of the New 
Age stuff, that he 
 automatically assumes the worse.  
 
 I'll say this for Andrew. He's an equal-opportunity cynic. Look at 
this apparently ongoing 
 exchange between him and Brian Josephson concerning Josephson's 
psychic-oriented 
 stuff. He goes for the throat, automatically:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Natasha_Demkina/Archive2


Does Josephson still do TM?







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bush's friends, the Saudis

2006-06-29 Thread MDixon6569

In a message dated 6/29/06 7:20:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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Well we wouldn't want to be guilty of racial or ethnic
profiling now would we? If we can't check a little more carefully a person
boarding a flight who is obviously of middle eastern descent, why would we
prohibit somebody getting a visa that had been properly vetted? We wouldn't be
able to demonstrate to them they are not coming to the land of
swine.
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[FairfieldLife] Krishna's Dance with the Female Cowherds - A Joyous, Spiritual Narrative

2006-06-29 Thread sanjulag

This was put together by me. Hope it is enjoyed.


Krishna's Dance with the Female Cowherds - A Joyous, Spiritual
Narrative


After having returned the clothes of the unclad maidens bathing
in the sacred waters of river Yamuna, Krishna congratulated them
for their unflinching devotion towards him and promised that he
would sport with them during the forthcoming autumn nights.

Illustration: http://www.exoticindia.com/artimages/hd87.jpg

True to his word, when he observed the blooming jasmines, and the
moon smearing the eastern sky a brilliant crimson red (like a
lover returning after a long absence makes his beloved blush with
his touch), all being conducive, Krishna let forth from his flute
a breathtaking symphony, which stole the hearts of the beautiful
women of Vraja (modern day Mathura and Vrindavana).

Illustration: http://www.exoticindia.com/artimages/wf94.jpg

In the enchanting process, he made them so excited to join him
that they did not even bother to finish whatever chore they were
performing at the moment. Thus, for example, the milking of cows;
suckling of infants; serving of food to the family (or
themselves) or waiting upon husbands, all such businesses were
left unfinished as they rushed out to meet Krishna.

In their eagerness, the gopis did not, as much as take a second
look at their outward appearances. Some, for example, were
cleansing or painting their bodies, a few were applying collyrium
(anjan) to their eyes, these cosmetic attempts at adorning
themselves were left in between, and in their anxiety, some even
put the lower clothes on their upper bodies and vice versa.

This vivid description from the Bhagavata Purana (29.10.1-7)
makes it obvious that in their enthusiasm to meet their beloved
lord, the gopis gave no thought to their physical appearance,
however awkward, nor did they think twice before giving up their
worldly duties. The revered guru Shankaracharya says in his
philosophical poem, Viveka Chudamani:

'There is no liberation for the being attached to the body, and
the liberated being has no attachment to the body. One who is
asleep is not awake, and one who is awake does not dream, for
these refer to two different states.' (Verse: 338)

Illustration: http://www.exoticindia.com/artimages/idd940.jpg


An Inspiring Instance of Women's Liberation:

The gopis' escape from the shackles of worldly life was not
however without event. Their husbands, fathers and brothers, all
tried to restrain them but to no avail. As per the Manu Smriti,
the ancient text laying down a model code of conduct:

A female should be under the control of her father during
childhood, the husband in youth, and her children after the
husband dies. (Manu 5.148)

A woman should follow life-long a husband whom she is given to
by her father, or her brother in consultation with the father.
(5.151)

By disobeying every enumerated male relative, paying no heed to
their supposed authority, the women of Vraja successfully
unburdened themselves of each link of the chain binding them.
Thus says the Brhadaranyaka Upanishad (4.3.22)

'(In such a state) the father is not a father, mother not a
mother, the world not the world, the gods not the gods and the
Vedas not the Vedas. At that time, such a being, has no relation
to either virtue or sin.'

Truly, Krishna is the ultimate attraction, much like a magnet
draws iron files towards it, so does he attract his devotees, who
care two hoots for their worldly duties, however pressing they
may be. Indeed, some have imagined the first letter in his name,
rendered in Sanskrit as symbolic of his 'grip' over his devotees,
because of the hook-like shape in its lower half.

Illustration: http://www.exoticindia.com/artimages/hook.jpg


Transcending Karma:

Some of the women however, were physically detained from leaving
their houses, being locked up inside. These closed their eyes and
imbibed Krishna in their hearts. The intense suffering produced
by the unbearable agony of separation was sufficient enough to
wipe over the negative residue accumulated due to unfavorable
karma over all their previous lives (and the present one). No
sooner had they meditated upon their lord than they felt
themselves embracing him and the ecstatic bliss thus generated
similarly washed off the positive effects of all their
meritorious karma. Thus united with the Supreme Soul, who is the
self of all (param-atma), even as a beloved would do with her
paramour, they were completely relieved of all karmic bonds.

Ancient commentators have believed that the Bhagavata Purana, on
which the above narrative is based, is actually a commentary on
the most exalted text of Indian philosophy, the Brahma Sutras.
Consider what the latter has to say on the destruction of karmic
residue:

On attaining the highest reality (Brahman), the earlier and
later sins are destroyed, which do not originate again. (4.1.13)

The

[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought I had OCD problems...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   For the past few days, I've been contributing to the wikipedia 
entry on Transcendental 
   Meditation. Boy, is that fun in dysfunctional sort of way. 
Between Peter, Andrew 
 Skolnick 
  and 
   myself, we've managed to completely rewrite the whole thing 
about 10x over.
   
   http://www.wikipedia.org keyword: transcendental meditation. 
Click on the history 
  tab to 
   see what I mean...
  
  
  Due to the vandalism by peter and myself, Andrew has asked for 
an editorial lock to be 
  placed on the TM entry in wikipedia. Here is my response to 
andrew's claim that my last 
  contribution was vandalism. I think he's more paranoid than ever, 
to be honest:
  
  
  vandalism by moi?
  
  Andrew, you justified your reverting of my edit of the lawsuit 
text because I was being a 
  vandal. Here is your original text, followed by my revision:
 
 Andrew has since apologized to me twice. I'm under the impression 
that he gets so mad at 
 New Agers or anyone who believes in anyting that smacks of the New 
Age stuff, that he 
 automatically assumes the worse.  
 
 I'll say this for Andrew. He's an equal-opportunity cynic. Look at 
this apparently ongoing 
 exchange between him and Brian Josephson concerning Josephson's 
psychic-oriented 
 stuff. He goes for the throat, automatically:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Natasha_Demkina/Archive2

Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
boggling.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic knowledge will be complete in the awareness of everyone

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no_reply@ 
  wrote:

 'The whole galactic universe

Galactic universe??
   
   Universe of galaxies?
  
  As opposed to what other kind of universe?
 
 Universe of ideas? Universe of unicorns? Univrse of infinite sets?

Naah.  The galactic universe, in the original
quote, appeared to refer to the actual physical
universe, not a metaphorical one.

My suspicion is that galactic is just a word
that was added to make the phrase sound grander;
it's meaningless in context.







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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante 
 no_reply@ 
   wrote:
 
  'The whole galactic universe
 
 Galactic universe??

Universe of galaxies?
   
   As opposed to what other kind of universe?
  
  Universe of ideas? Universe of unicorns? Univrse of infinite sets?
 
 Naah.  The galactic universe, in the original
 quote, appeared to refer to the actual physical
 universe, not a metaphorical one.
 
 My suspicion is that galactic is just a word
 that was added to make the phrase sound grander;
 it's meaningless in context.

Interestingly, as Vaj alluded to, Maharishi has 
taught a few techniques that involve thoughts 
of planetary bodies, individually and in clusters. 
I've never really understood why. My experiences 
are not so vivid as to reveal the import of these 
techniques. I suspect, however, that it has 
something to do with tying one's individual 
awareness to the bigger picture, as a jyotish 
consultation does. Perhaps someone here can
elucidate.

I recall a student art exhibit at MIU back in the 
day that included a painting similar to what 
you might see from the Hubble telescope. A 
classmate, Arthur Pons, looked shocked upon 
seeing it. Apparently he'd seen such an image 
in his program, and felt that painting a picture 
of it might be off the program - the equivalent
of talking about one's experiences in public, which,
as we know, is frowned upon by the TMO.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic knowledge will be complete in the awareness of everyone

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ 
 wrote:
  
   'The whole galactic universe
  
  Galactic universe??
 
 Kinda lends the idea of the immensity of the universe, composed of
 a buncha galaxies each with one or two hundred billion stars 
 stretched out over 100,000 light-years:

No, galactic doesn't lend a thing to the idea of
the immensity of the universe.  It's just a meaningless
extra word designed to make the phrase sound grander.
It's like saying the planetary earth.

The whole universe (or even just the universe)
automatically includes all galaxies and everything
else.  To call it a galactic universe implies that
there is some *other* kind of universe, an even
bigger one.  So it actually *diminishes* what it's
trying to convey rather than expanding it.

A buncha galaxies, BTW, is a gross understatement.
There's no way to know for sure since we can observe
only a portion of them, but some estimate there are
over a hundred billion galaxies.  And even *that* may
be a gross understatement.

(Another interesting, if irrelevant, fact: recently a
bunch of *tiny* galaxies have been discovered that
contain only a few million stars.  It's thought that
they were once larger and have somehow been compacted.)

 http://www.motodom.com/Galaxy.htm

I wouldn't use this reference if I were you.  It's
close to illiterate.


 
 
  
  
   governed by one total Natural Law, the 
   Will of Godthat will be witnessed in every country. After some 
 time, 
   nobody would know what negativity means. Positivity will be a 
  natural, 
   normal state of life. Success will be a natural, normal state 
of 
  every 
   action. And success will belong to every field of knowledge, 
 because 
   knowledge will be complete. Vedic knowledge will be complete in 
 the 
   awareness of everyone.' 
   
   http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?
 art=115151458549308
  
 








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic knowledge will be complete in the awareness of everyone

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 A 
 classmate, Arthur Pons, looked shocked upon 
 seeing it. Apparently he'd seen such an image 
 in his program, and felt that painting a picture 
 of it might be off the program - the equivalent
 of talking about one's experiences in public, which,
 as we know, is frowned upon by the TMO.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic knowledge will be complete in the awareness of everyone

On Jun 29, 2006, at 10:06 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:Interestingly, as Vaj alluded to, Maharishi has taught a few techniques that involve thoughts of planetary bodies, individually and in clusters. I've never really understood why. My experiences are not so vivid as to reveal the import of these techniques. I suspect, however, that it has something to do with tying one's individual awareness to the bigger picture, as a jyotish consultation does. Perhaps someone here can elucidate. IMO it has to do with the training the expansion of consciousness and then identifying increasing aspects of wholeness with the microcosm, moving in the direction of the infinite,--with "galactic consciousness" being identified with the future-consciousness of the satya-yuga. But that future is now. As more and more people can learn to cultivate this style of identification, the quicker would be satya-yuga for the individual and for collective sentience. On an experiential level this might be experienced as a galactic soma (if you will) which raises the microcosm to the level of satya-yuga where we are all essentially one and in the process perception is refined. It helps when you imbibe the rasayana of galactic soma. This also helps train consciousness in several paradoxes which shatter relative perceptual habits and help engender higher states of consciousness (e.g. maintaining great expansion while at the same time being the point).
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic knowledge will be complete in the awareness of everyone

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend 
jstein@ 
  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante 
  no_reply@ 
wrote:
  
   'The whole galactic universe
  
  Galactic universe??
 
 Universe of galaxies?

As opposed to what other kind of universe?
   
   Universe of ideas? Universe of unicorns? Univrse of infinite 
sets?
  
  Naah.  The galactic universe, in the original
  quote, appeared to refer to the actual physical
  universe, not a metaphorical one.
  
  My suspicion is that galactic is just a word
  that was added to make the phrase sound grander;
  it's meaningless in context.
 
 Interestingly, as Vaj alluded to, Maharishi has 
 taught a few techniques that involve thoughts 
 of planetary bodies, individually and in clusters. 
 I've never really understood why. My experiences 
 are not so vivid as to reveal the import of these 
 techniques. I suspect, however, that it has 
 something to do with tying one's individual 
 awareness to the bigger picture, as a jyotish 
 consultation does. Perhaps someone here can
 elucidate.

Your guess makes sense to me.

(But it's not really relevant to my objection to
the galactic universe phrase.)

 I recall a student art exhibit at MIU back in the 
 day that included a painting similar to what 
 you might see from the Hubble telescope. A 
 classmate, Arthur Pons, looked shocked upon 
 seeing it. Apparently he'd seen such an image 
 in his program, and felt that painting a picture 
 of it might be off the program - the equivalent
 of talking about one's experiences in public, which,
 as we know, is frowned upon by the TMO.

Aieee...poor sod.








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[FairfieldLife] Global Journalists of Inner Galaxies

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Actually, it occurred to me, we are all journalists (of sorts),
posting dispatches to that globally distributed sleazy rag :) known as
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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought I had OCD problems...

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
   
For the past few days, I've been contributing to the 
wikipedia 
 entry on Transcendental 
Meditation. Boy, is that fun in dysfunctional sort of way. 
 Between Peter, Andrew 
  Skolnick 
   and 
myself, we've managed to completely rewrite the whole thing 
 about 10x over.

http://www.wikipedia.org keyword: transcendental 
meditation. 
 Click on the history 
   tab to 
see what I mean...
   
   
   Due to the vandalism by peter and myself, Andrew has asked 
for 
 an editorial lock to be 
   placed on the TM entry in wikipedia. Here is my response to 
 andrew's claim that my last 
   contribution was vandalism. I think he's more paranoid than 
 ever, to be honest:
   
   
   vandalism by moi?
   
   Andrew, you justified your reverting of my edit of the lawsuit
   text because I was being a vandal. Here is your original text, 
   followed by my revision:
  
  Andrew has since apologized to me twice. I'm under the impression 
  that he gets so mad at New Agers or anyone who believes in 
  anyting that smacks of the New Age stuff, that he automatically 
  assumes the worse.  
  
  I'll say this for Andrew. He's an equal-opportunity cynic. Look 
  at this apparently ongoing exchange between him and Brian 
  Josephson concerning Josephson's psychic-oriented 
  stuff. He goes for the throat, automatically:
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Natasha_Demkina/Archive2
 
 Does Josephson still do TM?

Skolnick refers to him derisively as a TM apologist,
so apparently *he* thinks so.

In the TM page debate, at this point the only person
who isn't looking like a jerk (sorry, Peter) is Lawson,
at least as I see it.  He's managed to stick up for his
pro-TM guns while remaining admirably level-headed
and very reasonably objective about the whole mess. 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
 jflanegi@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter 
 drpetersutphen@ 
   wrote:
 
  Seems like MMY likes all the benefits of having
  disciples, but he accepts none of the reponsibility of
  having disciples.
  
 sounds like saying a tree likes all the benefits of having 
   leaves, 
but 
 accepts none of the responsibility of having leaves, 
because 
   they 
drop 
 off in the Fall.

Does sound that way, but in Mahesh's case it's much more a 
 matter 
of you owe me everything and I owe you nothing. He'd be 
only 
  too 
delighted to have you (or preferably someone important) as a 
   disciple 
as long as and only as long as you were doing something for 
 him. 
   The 
moment you stop, like a leaf in the fall, you drop. 

One of Mahesh's close advisors who helped him with the SCI 
 course 
   in 
Fiuggi said after that Mahesh treated people like orange 
 slices, 
   he 
sucked out the juice and tossed the peel.

Ask not for whom the bell peals, it peals for thee!

   
   what ever happened to personal responsibility and personal 
   accountability? I'd never trust a guru with my life, I'd only 
 trust 
   a guru's knowledge with my life, and only if I chose to. 
There's 
 a 
   significant difference. Why go through life as a victim?
  
  It's an irresponsible question, isn't it. You (we, anyone who 
 could 
  do something for Mahesh) couldn't be responsible, only Mahesh 
 had 
  the wast wedic wisdom to know what was best for any and everyone. 
 You 
  simply had to trust him, because he was so kozmik. He was cuddly, 
  intelligent, he giggled, he had charisma, the world adored 
him ... 
  how can you trust yourself when you could trust him for such a 
 small 
  smirk amount of money? How can there be something so ridiculous 
 as 
  personal accountability in the face of someone who so obviously 
 has 
  the lock on enlightenment and superiourity -- look at the money 
he 
  charged, isn't that an obvious sign that you can't possibly be 
  responsible, you can't possibly have what it takes to exercise 
  personal accountability.
  
  Well damn. Once you were fooled, you were only too willing to pay 
 any 
  price to get something for nothing!
 
 $65 to learn TM 30 years ago = one third of one penny per 
 meditation, and getting cheaper all the time. Pretty good deal I 
 think...


About what I paid, except I didn't keep paying/buying. I got a lot of 
it for free because, for reasons unaccountable, the old fart liked 
me. I even got the 'sidhi' stuff for free, right from him! But if you 
didn't pay $3000 to start and a whole heck of a lot more for the 
rest, I am sure Mahesh saw to it that you made up for that little 
shortcoming in other ways. -- But if you're happy with what you have 
done and got and so on, then that's good. You deserve to be happy. -- 
From where I sit, however, what you got was what anyone with the 
checking notes could have given you for free: noticing some quite and 
some silence. Everything else is just the icing that kept the cake 
interesting so you didn't notice the hand in your pocket.







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[FairfieldLife] You Bozo

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jun 28, 2006, at 9:19 PM, sparaig wrote:
 

  It would be impolite for Vaj to answer with an honest opinion, I  
  suspect...
 
 
 Too bad, you already got one Bozo.


You mean there are more than one Bozo on FFL?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic knowledge will be complete in the awareness of everyone

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jun 29, 2006, at 10:06 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
 
  Interestingly, as Vaj alluded to, Maharishi has
  taught a few techniques that involve thoughts
  of planetary bodies, individually and in clusters.
  I've never really understood why. My experiences
  are not so vivid as to reveal the import of these
  techniques. I suspect, however, that it has
  something to do with tying one's individual
  awareness to the bigger picture, as a jyotish
  consultation does. Perhaps someone here can
  elucidate.
 
 
 
 IMO it has to do with the training the expansion of consciousness 
and  
 then identifying increasing aspects of wholeness with the 
microcosm,  
 moving in the direction of the infinite,--with galactic  
 consciousness being identified with the future-consciousness of 
the  
 satya-yuga. But that future is now. As more and more people can 
learn  
 to cultivate this style of identification, the quicker would be 
satya- 
 yuga for the individual and for collective sentience. On an  
 experiential level this might be experienced as a galactic soma 
(if  
 you will) which raises the microcosm to the level of satya-yuga 
where  
 we are all essentially one and in the process perception is 
refined.  
 It helps when you imbibe the rasayana of galactic soma. This also  
 helps train consciousness in several paradoxes which shatter 
relative  
 perceptual habits and help engender higher states of consciousness  
 (e.g. maintaining great expansion while at the same time being the  
 point).

You do realize that galactic is severely limited
in terms of the physical universe--a tiny, insignificant
fragment, right?

If I were looking to convey expansion to wholeness,
I'd call it cosmic soma.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Eternally Supportless Pure Consciousness and the Liberation of Individuality



--- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:37 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:03 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
 vajranatha@ wrote:
 
  On Jun 28, 2006, at 2:33 PM, sparaig wrote:
  snip
  So anyone who thinks they have become
 enlightened using TM and
  the tM-Sidhis, must be deluded?
 
  Interesting suggestion.
 
  Gosh, Lawson, it looks like Vaj forgot to answer
  your question.  Maybe you'd better ask it again.
 
  Well it's not an easy answer, nor one I am
 comfortable in
  answering, but you asked.
 
  Delusion or deluded is too vague. It's a
 classic Boomeritis
  enlightenment--really a green meme phenomenon
 where pluralism is
  infested with narcissism, all is one and let me
 tell you about
  it.  Because it's a green meme thing, that means
 there is no real
  jump to second tier consciousness, no quantum
 leap, no yellow or
  turquoise meme. There's a certain aspect of it
 that is both a Mean
  Green Meme (MGM, the sensitive self gone awry)
 and Mean Orange
  Meme (MOM, scientific achievment leveraged for
 spirituality's use)
  but don't be surprised to also see some other
 first tier memes
  thrown in: orthodox, 'one way to experience
 things' Blue
  orthodoxy/control and Scientific materialist
 aspects the Orange
  meme (e.g. hijacking physics as PR/spin device:
 cha-ching).
 
  LOL!!  Classic Vaj.
 
 LOL, classic Judy--worthless response merely meant
 to inflame. Take  
 your Preparation H Judy, it might help!
 
 
  I'm glad to hear you weren't comfortable with this
  answer, Vaj.
 
 No, wrong. I was not comfortable giving a generic
 response to the  
 original comment. I was and am comfortable with the
 remarks I did make.
 
 
 'nuff said.


Liar, liar pants afire!



 
 
 
 


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[FairfieldLife] Politicians and Bureaucrats: Sad, True and Sometimes Pretty Funny

The first US Official Expert on marijuana testified in court, under
oath, that marijuana could make your incisors grow six inches long and
drip with blood. He went on to say that when he tried it, it turned
him into a bat.

Marijuana was outlawed for two reasons. In the southwestern states, it
was outlawed because All Mexicans are crazy and marijuana is what
makes them crazy. In the northeastern states, it was outlawed because
of the fear that heroin addiction would lead to the use of marijuana -
exactly the opposite of the modern gateway myth. When it was
outlawed at the national level, the head of the Federal Bureau of
Narcotics stated that marijuana drove people insane. As proof, he
offered the example of a young couple who smoked a joint and became so
crazed that they eloped and got married.

In the US, opium smoking was originally outlawed because of the fear
that Chinese men were luring white women to have sex in opium dens. At
the same time, they outlawed the Chinese custom of wearing one's hair
in pigtails.

Cocaine was outlawed largely because of fears that superhuman Negro
Cocaine Fiends would go on a violent rampage and rape white women and
shoot white men. It was believed that cocaine made them better
marksmen and made them impervious to bullets.

Police departments across the US switched to larger caliber pistols in
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Eternally Supportless Pure Consciousness and the Liberation of Individuality

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 --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:37 PM, authfriend wrote:
snip
   Gosh, Lawson, it looks like Vaj forgot to answer
   your question.  Maybe you'd better ask it again.
  
   Well it's not an easy answer, nor one I am
   comfortable in answering, but you asked.
snip
   I'm glad to hear you weren't comfortable with this
   answer, Vaj.
  
  No, wrong. I was not comfortable giving a generic
  response to the original comment. I was and am comfortable
  with the remarks I did make.
  
  'nuff said.
 
 Liar, liar pants afire!

Vaj is..not as smart as [Judy] and considerably
less honest.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic knowledge will be complete in the awareness of everyone

On Jun 29, 2006, at 10:53 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 29, 2006, at 10:06 AM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Interestingly, as Vaj alluded to, Maharishi has taught a few techniques that involve thoughts of planetary bodies, individually and in clusters. I've never really understood why. My experiences are not so vivid as to reveal the import of these techniques. I suspect, however, that it has something to do with tying one's individual awareness to the bigger picture, as a jyotish consultation does. Perhaps someone here can elucidate.IMO it has to do with the training the expansion of consciousness and then identifying increasing aspects of wholeness with the microcosm, moving in the direction of the infinite,--with "galactic consciousness" being identified with the future-consciousness of the satya-yuga. But that future is now. As more and more people can learn to cultivate this style of identification, the quicker would be satya- yuga for the individual and for collective sentience. On an experiential level this might be experienced as a galactic soma (if you will) which raises the microcosm to the level of satya-yuga where we are all essentially one and in the process perception is refined. It helps when you imbibe the rasayana of galactic soma. This also helps train consciousness in several paradoxes which shatter relative perceptual habits and help engender higher states of consciousness (e.g. maintaining great expansion while at the same time being the point). You do realize that "galactic" is severely limited in terms of the physical universe--a tiny, insignificant fragment, right? If I were looking to convey expansion to wholeness, I'd call it "cosmic soma." Without blatantly needing a spoiler for the technique, I'd say it'd best be described as the junction point between clusters of galaxies and the absolute (while at the same time holding the relative within awareness). It really has to do with the experiential expansion and what this does to limited conceptions we tend to maintain about our bodies rather than specific intellectual ideas about the physical universe. Cultivation of this paradox is necessary to not only establish the central channel, but also to allow soma to flow there. The word galactic is better because of the word "galaxy" and it's derivation from of the Greek word for "milk" which also has allusions to the Vedic analogy of grass - milk - butter - ghee (and numerous other poetic metaphors in Rig Veda for the refinement of perception). Also has to do experientially with the processes that occur in the crown chakra which I might simply call "Mother's milk".
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[FairfieldLife] Superman Returns

2006-06-29 Thread MDixon6569






Has anybody see Superman Returns yet? I saw it yesterday and 
found it to be very uplifting and spiritual, almost a prophetic movie of what 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-06-29 Thread nablus108

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
wrote:
 
   
 Regardless of anything, if a man is called, let's say,
 Frank Loyd Wright and has been called this for the
 last 50 years, why in the world would anyone say his
 name is Frankie just because they don't like him?
 Can't the Wikipedia people see through this?

Who is behind this Wikipedia - americans ?
   
   
   http://www.wikipedia.org
   
   Why don't you check it out and find out?
  
  Right, Jimmy Wales from Alabama. Says it all.
 
 Says *what* all?

That the probability of Wikipedia being controlled by the CIA is 
rather high. And we well know what the CIA - at least in the past - 
think of Maharishis movement.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic knowledge will be complete in the awareness of everyone

--- authfriendwrote:

 --- Gillam wrote:
 
  --- authfriend wrote:
  
   The galactic universe, in the original
   quote, appeared to refer to the actual physical
   universe, not a metaphorical one.
  
  Maharishi has 
  taught a few techniques that involve thoughts 
  of planetary bodies, individually and in clusters. 
  ... I suspect ... it has 
  something to do with tying one's individual 
  awareness to the bigger picture, as a jyotish 
  consultation does. 
 
 Your guess makes sense to me.
 
 (But it's not really relevant to my objection to
 the galactic universe phrase.)

Judy, are you pointing out that a galaxy is a subset 
of the universe, hence galactic universe is like 
saying partial infinity or some such non sequitur? 
If so, I agree that it's a silly modifier.

I posted what I did above to point out that 
galactic universe may have been chosen as a
way to say the actual physical universe, as you observe.

I'm also curious about people's experiences in their 
sadhanas, and how those experiences may tie into daily life.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought I had OCD problems...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   
For the past few days, I've been contributing to the wikipedia 
 entry on Transcendental 
Meditation. Boy, is that fun in dysfunctional sort of way. 
 Between Peter, Andrew 
  Skolnick 
   and 
myself, we've managed to completely rewrite the whole thing 
 about 10x over.

http://www.wikipedia.org keyword: transcendental meditation. 
 Click on the history 
   tab to 
see what I mean...
   
   
   Due to the vandalism by peter and myself, Andrew has asked for 
 an editorial lock to be 
   placed on the TM entry in wikipedia. Here is my response to 
 andrew's claim that my last 
   contribution was vandalism. I think he's more paranoid than 
 ever, to be honest:
   
   
   vandalism by moi?
   
   Andrew, you justified your reverting of my edit of the lawsuit 
 text because I was being a 
   vandal. Here is your original text, followed by my revision:
  
  Andrew has since apologized to me twice. I'm under the impression 
 that he gets so mad at 
  New Agers or anyone who believes in anyting that smacks of the New 
 Age stuff, that he 
  automatically assumes the worse.  
  
  I'll say this for Andrew. He's an equal-opportunity cynic. Look at 
 this apparently ongoing 
  exchange between him and Brian Josephson concerning Josephson's 
 psychic-oriented 
  stuff. He goes for the throat, automatically:
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Natasha_Demkina/Archive2
 
 
 Does Josephson still do TM?


Not a clue.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Salif Keita

2006-06-29 Thread Alex Stanley

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 http://www.lisner.org/
 
 Check out the video of Mali's most famous singer.  I just saw him last
 night in DC.  What a voice.

There are some videos of him on YouTube.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Politicians and Bureaucrats: Sad, True and Sometimes Pretty Funny

2006-06-29 Thread TurquoiseB

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Marijuana was outlawed for two reasons. In the southwestern states, 
 it
 was outlawed because All Mexicans are crazy and marijuana is what
 makes them crazy. In the northeastern states, it was outlawed 
 because
 of the fear that heroin addiction would lead to the use of marijuana -
 exactly the opposite of the modern gateway myth. When it was
 outlawed at the national level, the head of the Federal Bureau of
 Narcotics stated that marijuana drove people insane. As proof, he
 offered the example of a young couple who smoked a joint and became 
 so crazed that they eloped and got married.

Very colorful. Also mainly untrue, just the urban 
legend version. Marijuana was made illegal in the
US after a concerted lobbying and propaganda cam-
paign started by William Randolph Hearst, for the
oldest of reasons, money. He had nothing against
its use as a drug -- he wanted to make *hemp* 
illegal because it was being proved to be a better
source of paper than trees, and he had vast holdings
of forest lands and paper mills to support his 
publishing business.

The real story has been thoroughly researched and
documented in a film, the name of which I don't
seem to be able to find right now, but I'll look
for it this weekend when I'm in Amsterdam. It's
a pretty amazing story. The clincher seems to have
been playing the race card. A study, purporting
to have come from an established research lab 
(which turned out to never have existed) was sent
to every Congressman and Senator in the US. The
study claimed that they had proved conclusively
that when black men smoke marijuana, they tend to
rape white women. The next day, marijuana was 
illegal in the United States.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sacrifice of Wealth Is The Way

2006-06-29 Thread surya

The scriptures say that your sacrifice of money is highest.

1)In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya), Gita says that the 
fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam 
Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice 
the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work 
on the top most level. Gita says `Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat 
Karma Phala Tyagah'i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana 
(knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better 
than Bakthi. 

2)Gita says `Sarva karma Phala tyagam', `prahuh tyagam vichakshanah' 
i.e., if you can give the fruit of the entire work to the Lord, then 
that is real sacrifice. 

3)`Na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena, tyage naike Amritatvam Aanasuh' 
i.e., you cannot attain God by selfish work or the children.  You 
can attain God only by sacrificing your money for God's work.   The 
Veda

4)The first words of the first Upanishath (Easavaasyam) says, `Tena 
tyaktena Bhunjeedah' `Ma gradha ha kasyasvit Dhanam' i.e., this 
entire world is the money of the Lord.  Take whatever you require 
from His wealth; don't take extra which is not permitted by the 
God.  If you have taken, you are a thief.  Return it back to the 
Lord.

5)Veda says `Samvidha' `Shraddhayaa' `Hriya' `Bhiya dheyam', i.e., 
return the extra to the Lord in human form after recognizing Him 
through His Jnana.  Wait patiently till you recognize the Lord in 
human form.  When you are donating your money to Him (actually you 
are giving Him His own money) you should give it with fear and feel 
shy. 

6)In Yoga Vasistha the Guru Vasista says to Rama (Dhanamarjaya) 
i.e., bring money and offer it to me as Guru Dakshina before I can 
teach you the Jnana.

Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this 
important sacrifice.  He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma 
Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket.  Mr. Patil, a 
farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back 
whatever Baba gave back to him.

Matthew6 : 19 to 22 
Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for 
yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there 
your heart will be also.

Matthew -7: 21 
Not everyone who say to Me, `Lord, Lord' shall enter the kingdom of 
heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven.

Holy Islam speaks about the sacrifice of fruit of work (money) 
through the word `Jakaat'. This word says that every rich man is 
expected to practice the sacrifice within the limit of his wealth. 
Islam says that people are loving too much the money (Q'ran: 
AalFajr  20). Islam says that by sacrifice of money your wealth 
will not decrease and in fact your wealth increases by sacrifice. 
Islam also mentions that by sacrifice of money your wealth becomes 
most pure.

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami
surya
http://www.universal-spirituality.org


cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

surya dattapr2000@ wrote:
  Today, in the world everybody agrees that the real power is the 
  money only. Money is the fruit of work and Bhagavatgita calls 
  sacrifice of money Karma Phala Tyaga. In Bhagavatgita it is 
  said Dhyanat Karma Phala Tyagah 
 
 The whole verse (XII 12) goes like this:
 shreyo hi jñaanam abhyaasaaj jñaanaad dhyaanaM vishiSyate .
 dhyaanaat karmaphalatyaagas tyaagaac chaantir anantaram.h .12\-12..
 Translation by Ramanand Prasad:
 Knowledge is better than mere ritualistic practice, meditation is
 better than mere knowledge, renunciation of the fruit of work is
 better than meditation, peace immediately follows the renunciation
 of (the attachment to) the fruit of work. 
 
 Interesting in that verse is that dhyaanaat karma-phala-tyaagaH
 can IMO be read either as an independent phrase in which
 case it would mean 'from dhyaana [follows] karma-phala-tyaaga'.
 OTOH, it may be combined with shreyaH vishiSyate: shreyaH... 
[or: vishiSyate]dhyaanaat karma-phala-tyaagaH. In that case it 
would mean: 'karma-phala-tyaaga is better than dhyaana'.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought I had OCD problems...

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:

 For the past few days, I've been contributing to the 
 wikipedia 
  entry on Transcendental 
 Meditation. Boy, is that fun in dysfunctional sort of way. 
  Between Peter, Andrew 
   Skolnick 
and 
 myself, we've managed to completely rewrite the whole thing 
  about 10x over.
 
 http://www.wikipedia.org keyword: transcendental 
 meditation. 
  Click on the history 
tab to 
 see what I mean...


Due to the vandalism by peter and myself, Andrew has asked 
 for 
  an editorial lock to be 
placed on the TM entry in wikipedia. Here is my response to 
  andrew's claim that my last 
contribution was vandalism. I think he's more paranoid than 
  ever, to be honest:


vandalism by moi?

Andrew, you justified your reverting of my edit of the lawsuit
text because I was being a vandal. Here is your original text, 
followed by my revision:
   
   Andrew has since apologized to me twice. I'm under the impression 
   that he gets so mad at New Agers or anyone who believes in 
   anyting that smacks of the New Age stuff, that he automatically 
   assumes the worse.  
   
   I'll say this for Andrew. He's an equal-opportunity cynic. Look 
   at this apparently ongoing exchange between him and Brian 
   Josephson concerning Josephson's psychic-oriented 
   stuff. He goes for the throat, automatically:
   
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Natasha_Demkina/Archive2
  
  Does Josephson still do TM?
 
 Skolnick refers to him derisively as a TM apologist,
 so apparently *he* thinks so.
 
 In the TM page debate, at this point the only person
 who isn't looking like a jerk (sorry, Peter) is Lawson,
 at least as I see it.  He's managed to stick up for his
 pro-TM guns while remaining admirably level-headed
 and very reasonably objective about the whole mess.


Actually, Andrew's been SOOO overboard (even for him) that I'd probably be 
sticking up 
for Scientology by comparison...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Superman Returns

--- MDixon6569 wrote:

 Has anybody see Superman Returns yet? I saw it yesterday and  found it to be 
 very uplifting and spiritual, almost a prophetic movie of what  could be 
 someday.

I found it very sweet. Funny word for a summer action movie.

When I saw Richard Donner's Superman movie 
in 1978 (the one with Christopher Reeve), I 
thought it would be prophetic. The TM-Sidhis 
were new and hope was high. 

This time around, I saw the story as a metaphor. 
I'm told we are, in essence, indestructable, and 
this movie showed what that's like on the physical 
plane. But it went further, too.

I was touched by an exchange between Lois 
Lane and the Man of Steel. She had won a 
Pulitzer prize for an editorial entitled Why 
the world doesn't need Superman. He takes 
her up into the sky and asks her what she hears.

Nothing, she says.

I hear everything, he says. (It turns out his 
super hearing takes in everything at once.)

You say the world doesn't need a savior, 
he says. But I hear people everywhere crying 
out for one.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
 wrote:
  

  Regardless of anything, if a man is called, let's say,
  Frank Loyd Wright and has been called this for the
  last 50 years, why in the world would anyone say his
  name is Frankie just because they don't like him?
  Can't the Wikipedia people see through this?
 
 Who is behind this Wikipedia - americans ?


http://www.wikipedia.org

Why don't you check it out and find out?
   
   Right, Jimmy Wales from Alabama. Says it all.
  
  Says *what* all?
 
 That the probability of Wikipedia being controlled by the CIA is 
 rather high. And we well know what the CIA - at least in the past - 
 think of Maharishis movement.

Whoa.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic knowledge will be complete in the awareness of everyone

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- authfriendwrote:
 
  --- Gillam wrote:
  
   --- authfriend wrote:
   
The galactic universe, in the original
quote, appeared to refer to the actual physical
universe, not a metaphorical one.
   
   Maharishi has 
   taught a few techniques that involve thoughts 
   of planetary bodies, individually and in clusters. 
   ... I suspect ... it has 
   something to do with tying one's individual 
   awareness to the bigger picture, as a jyotish 
   consultation does. 
  
  Your guess makes sense to me.
  
  (But it's not really relevant to my objection to
  the galactic universe phrase.)
 
 Judy, are you pointing out that a galaxy is a subset 
 of the universe, hence galactic universe is like 
 saying partial infinity or some such non sequitur? 
 If so, I agree that it's a silly modifier.

Yup.  I think galactic was used to convey 
something expansive without really taking
into account what the word refers to.

 I posted what I did above to point out that 
 galactic universe may have been chosen as a
 way to say the actual physical universe, as you observe.

Universe of galaxies might be a better way to
put it in that case, but that still implies
a limitation, i.e., *only* the galaxies are to
be considered.



 I'm also curious about people's experiences in their 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought I had OCD problems...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   
For the past few days, I've been contributing to the wikipedia 
 entry on Transcendental 
Meditation. Boy, is that fun in dysfunctional sort of way. 
 Between Peter, Andrew 
  Skolnick 
   and 
myself, we've managed to completely rewrite the whole thing 
 about 10x over.

http://www.wikipedia.org keyword: transcendental meditation. 
 Click on the history 
   tab to 
see what I mean...
   
   
   Due to the vandalism by peter and myself, Andrew has asked for 
 an editorial lock to be 
   placed on the TM entry in wikipedia. Here is my response to 
 andrew's claim that my last 
   contribution was vandalism. I think he's more paranoid than ever, 
 to be honest:
   
   
   vandalism by moi?
   
   Andrew, you justified your reverting of my edit of the lawsuit 
 text because I was being a 
   vandal. Here is your original text, followed by my revision:
  
  Andrew has since apologized to me twice. I'm under the impression 
 that he gets so mad at 
  New Agers or anyone who believes in anyting that smacks of the New 
 Age stuff, that he 
  automatically assumes the worse.  
  
  I'll say this for Andrew. He's an equal-opportunity cynic. Look at 
 this apparently ongoing 
  exchange between him and Brian Josephson concerning Josephson's 
 psychic-oriented 
  stuff. He goes for the throat, automatically:
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Natasha_Demkina/Archive2
 
 Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
 he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
 one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
 he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
 boggling.

Eh. He's on a Mission From God, what can I say?






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic knowledge will be complete in the awareness of everyone

--- Vaj wrote:

   The word galactic is better because of the word galaxy  and it's  
 derivation from of the Greek word for milk which also has allusions  
 to the Vedic analogy of grass - milk - butter - ghee (and numerous  
 other poetic metaphors in Rig Veda for the refinement of perception).  
 Also has to do experientially with the processes that occur in the  
 crown chakra which I might simply call Mother's milk.

Cool. A friend described the opening of his crown chakra 
as like melting - I got a picture of butter or gee melting 
down the sides of his head.

GALAXY ORIGIN late Middle English (originally referring to the Milky Way): via 
Old French 
from medieval Latin galaxia, from Greek galaxias (kuklos) `milky (vault),' from 
gala, galakt- 
`milk.'






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Eternally Supportless Pure Consciousness and the Liberation of Individuality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 
 --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:37 PM, authfriend wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
  vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:03 PM, authfriend wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
  vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   On Jun 28, 2006, at 2:33 PM, sparaig wrote:
   snip
   So anyone who thinks they have become
  enlightened using TM and
   the tM-Sidhis, must be deluded?
  
   Interesting suggestion.
  
   Gosh, Lawson, it looks like Vaj forgot to answer
   your question.  Maybe you'd better ask it again.
  
   Well it's not an easy answer, nor one I am
  comfortable in
   answering, but you asked.
  
   Delusion or deluded is too vague. It's a
  classic Boomeritis
   enlightenment--really a green meme phenomenon
  where pluralism is
   infested with narcissism, all is one and let me
  tell you about
   it.  Because it's a green meme thing, that means
  there is no real
   jump to second tier consciousness, no quantum
  leap, no yellow or
   turquoise meme. There's a certain aspect of it
  that is both a Mean
   Green Meme (MGM, the sensitive self gone awry)
  and Mean Orange
   Meme (MOM, scientific achievment leveraged for
  spirituality's use)
   but don't be surprised to also see some other
  first tier memes
   thrown in: orthodox, 'one way to experience
  things' Blue
   orthodoxy/control and Scientific materialist
  aspects the Orange
   meme (e.g. hijacking physics as PR/spin device:
  cha-ching).
  
   LOL!!  Classic Vaj.
  
  LOL, classic Judy--worthless response merely meant
  to inflame. Take  
  your Preparation H Judy, it might help!
  
  
   I'm glad to hear you weren't comfortable with this
   answer, Vaj.
  
  No, wrong. I was not comfortable giving a generic
  response to the  
  original comment. I was and am comfortable with the
  remarks I did make.
  
  
  'nuff said.
 
 
 Liar, liar pants afire!

Thanks, Vaj, I really appreciate your material here. I couldn't find 
the less mucked about version, but I think you have a solid and 
worthwhile grasp of the assumptions made about 'enlightenment' and 
who's got it and how, as well as the 'or not'. -- I like your 
objectivity with respect to our personality disordered contributor as 
well. Wish I could say those things so clearly. I just shake my head 
and wonder who looks after her in that Long Island *home*.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Politicians and Bureaucrats: Sad, True and Sometimes Pretty Funny

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
 
  Marijuana was outlawed for two reasons. In the southwestern states, 
  it
  was outlawed because All Mexicans are crazy and marijuana is what
  makes them crazy. In the northeastern states, it was outlawed 
  because
  of the fear that heroin addiction would lead to the use of marijuana -
  exactly the opposite of the modern gateway myth. When it was
  outlawed at the national level, the head of the Federal Bureau of
  Narcotics stated that marijuana drove people insane. As proof, he
  offered the example of a young couple who smoked a joint and became 
  so crazed that they eloped and got married.
 
 Very colorful. Also mainly untrue, just the urban 
 legend version. Marijuana was made illegal in the
 US after a concerted lobbying and propaganda cam-
 paign started by William Randolph Hearst, for the
 oldest of reasons, money. He had nothing against
 its use as a drug -- he wanted to make *hemp* 
 illegal because it was being proved to be a better
 source of paper than trees, and he had vast holdings
 of forest lands and paper mills to support his 
 publishing business.
 
 The real story has been thoroughly researched and
 documented in a film, the name of which I don't
 seem to be able to find right now, but I'll look
 for it this weekend when I'm in Amsterdam. It's
 a pretty amazing story. The clincher seems to have
 been playing the race card. A study, purporting
 to have come from an established research lab 
 (which turned out to never have existed) was sent
 to every Congressman and Senator in the US. The
 study claimed that they had proved conclusively
 that when black men smoke marijuana, they tend to
 rape white women. The next day, marijuana was 
 illegal in the United States.


Your version, at least parts, are colorful but mainly out of
perspective. :)

the excerpt I posted was from 
Clifford Schaffer
Director, DRCNet Online Library of Drug Policy

http://www.caymannetnews.com/cgi-script/csArticles/articles/33/003369.htm//

not some stoner's website of urban myths.

I posted the piece, not becasue it was complete or comprehensive, but
had some funny parts  I had not previously heard, such as

The first US Official Expert on marijuana testified in court, under
oath, that marijuana could make your incisors grow six inches long and
drip with blood. He went on to say that when he tried it, it turned
him into a bat.


Hearst was a factor, but a modest one compared to Harry Jacob Anslinger
1892(3) - 1975
http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/anslinger_harry/anslinger_harry.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_J._Anslinger

who is the primary focus of the film, Grass, the one I speculate you
may be trying to remember 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0214730/

an excellent flim on the history of drug, particularly marijuana, law
making -- but more braodly, a film on the excesses aqnd manipulative
strategies prevelant in a so-called democratic society.

As the film, and many other sources document, in the southwest and
west, marijunana laws were primarily introduced as an anit-immigrant,
andi-mexican tactic. Why you think this is an urban myth is well, ... 

As early opium laws were anti-chinese.

And anti-cocaine and marijuana laws were partly anti-black as you note
for the latter.

The Act is often referred to by advocates for decriminalization of
marijuana, who claim there is now very clear evidence that the act
itself was based mostly on racism and wild, entirely unsupported claims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Marijuana_Tax_Act

And racism and drug laws still appear to have some correlation.
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/racepris.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0823-01.htm

Other cites

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

http://www.heartbone.com/no_thugs/hja.htm

http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mj005.htm







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Salif Keita

Thanks, I'll check them out. 




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 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
  http://www.lisner.org/
  
  Check out the video of Mali's most famous singer.  I just saw him last
  night in DC.  What a voice.
 
 There are some videos of him on YouTube.
 
 http://youtube.com/








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Eternally Supportless Pure Consciousness and the Liberation of Individuality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 On Jun 29, 2006, at 3:29 AM, cardemaister wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
 
 
 
  -jivanmuktiviveka, Treatise on Cosmic Consciousness 
  standard work in the Shankaracharya trad. on this topic.
 
 
 
  Thanks, Vaj, for mentioning that treatise. VidyaaraNya's(?)
  Sanskrit seems way cool. An example:
 
  41.yady api pata §jalin aabhautikabhÂtatanm aatrendriy aaha ¸k aar
  aadivi ¢ay aa² sa ¸-
  praj §aatasavikalpasam aadhayo bahudh aaprapa §cit aa²,tath aapi 
te ¢
  aam antardh aan aadisiddhi-
  hetutay aamuktihetusam aadhivirodhitv aan n aasm aabhis tatr 
aadara ²
  kriyate..42.tath aaca
  sÂtritam:
  te samaadhaav upasargaa vyutthaane siddhaya ² ||[YS 3.38 ] iti..
  43.sth aanyupanimantraýe saÔgasmay aakaraýa ¸ punar ani ¢ÒaprasaÔg
  aat |[YS 3.51 ] iti ca..
 
 Gladly!  Unfortunately cut and pasting from Gooddings version will  
 not work as a good transliteration as it is encoded in a CSX font. 
So  
 it usually won't look good in ASCII or HTML.

I was too lazy to try to fix that.
I guess I hafta emphasize that I don't agree with 
VidyaaraNya as to the dangerousness of siddhis.
IMO, both Vyaasa and Bhojadeva in their commentaries
on YS seem to point out that te samaadhaav upasargaaH...
in III 38 (or something) refers only to the siddhis
mentioned in the previous suutra. But perhaps if I was
a rabid anti-TMer, I'd try to read it in a different way... :)


 
 The nice thing about Gooddings version is he is the first 
westerner  
 to actually go to India to investigate the various versions of the  
 text, identify their differences and rectify the mistakes based on  
 his findings in discussion with pundits there.

His transliteration seems amazingly accurate.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought I had OCD problems...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:

 For the past few days, I've been contributing to the 
wikipedia 
  entry on Transcendental 
 Meditation. Boy, is that fun in dysfunctional sort of way. 
  Between Peter, Andrew 
   Skolnick 
and 
 myself, we've managed to completely rewrite the whole thing 
  about 10x over.
 
 http://www.wikipedia.org keyword: transcendental 
meditation. 
  Click on the history 
tab to 
 see what I mean...


Due to the vandalism by peter and myself, Andrew has asked 
for 
  an editorial lock to be 
placed on the TM entry in wikipedia. Here is my response to 
  andrew's claim that my last 
contribution was vandalism. I think he's more paranoid than 
ever, 
  to be honest:


vandalism by moi?

Andrew, you justified your reverting of my edit of the 
lawsuit 
  text because I was being a 
vandal. Here is your original text, followed by my revision:
   
   Andrew has since apologized to me twice. I'm under the 
impression 
  that he gets so mad at 
   New Agers or anyone who believes in anyting that smacks of the 
New 
  Age stuff, that he 
   automatically assumes the worse.  
   
   I'll say this for Andrew. He's an equal-opportunity cynic. Look 
at 
  this apparently ongoing 
   exchange between him and Brian Josephson concerning Josephson's 
  psychic-oriented 
   stuff. He goes for the throat, automatically:
   
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Natasha_Demkina/Archive2
  
  Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
  he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
  one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
  he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
  boggling.
 
 Eh. He's on a Mission From God, what can I say?

Completely missing the, um, let's call it *irony*
that he uses the same ends-justify-the-means
approach that he complains about: being on the side
of the angels, in his mind, validates his use of
deceit and other thoroughly unscrupulous tactics.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Salif Keita

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
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 Thanks, I'll check them out. 
 

Curtis -- you may want to check this out too. (Link in adjacent post)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/103212

http://www.heartbone.com/no_thugs/hja.htm


Make better music and have more women. What a deal!
(Its from the gov't so it must be true)

  
There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are
Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music,
jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use.  This marijuana causes
white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and
any others.

Henry Jacob Anslinger







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Eternally Supportless Pure Consciousness and the Liberation of Individuality

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  
  --- Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
  
   
   On Jun 28, 2006, at 8:37 PM, authfriend wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
   vajranatha@ wrote:
   
On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:03 PM, authfriend wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
   vajranatha@ wrote:
   
On Jun 28, 2006, at 2:33 PM, sparaig wrote:
snip
So anyone who thinks they have become
   enlightened using TM and
the tM-Sidhis, must be deluded?
   
Interesting suggestion.
   
Gosh, Lawson, it looks like Vaj forgot to answer
your question.  Maybe you'd better ask it again.
   
Well it's not an easy answer, nor one I am
   comfortable in
answering, but you asked.
   
Delusion or deluded is too vague. It's a
   classic Boomeritis
enlightenment--really a green meme phenomenon
   where pluralism is
infested with narcissism, all is one and let me
   tell you about
it.  Because it's a green meme thing, that means
   there is no real
jump to second tier consciousness, no quantum
   leap, no yellow or
turquoise meme. There's a certain aspect of it
   that is both a Mean
Green Meme (MGM, the sensitive self gone awry)
   and Mean Orange
Meme (MOM, scientific achievment leveraged for
   spirituality's use)
but don't be surprised to also see some other
   first tier memes
thrown in: orthodox, 'one way to experience
   things' Blue
orthodoxy/control and Scientific materialist
   aspects the Orange
meme (e.g. hijacking physics as PR/spin device:
   cha-ching).
   
LOL!!  Classic Vaj.
   
   LOL, classic Judy--worthless response merely meant
   to inflame. Take  
   your Preparation H Judy, it might help!
   
   
I'm glad to hear you weren't comfortable with this
answer, Vaj.
   
   No, wrong. I was not comfortable giving a generic
   response to the  
   original comment. I was and am comfortable with the
   remarks I did make.
   
   
   'nuff said.
  
  
  Liar, liar pants afire!
 
 Thanks, Vaj, I really appreciate your material here. I couldn't 
find 
 the less mucked about version, but I think you have a solid and 
 worthwhile grasp of the assumptions made about 'enlightenment' and 
 who's got it and how, as well as the 'or not'. -- I like your 
 objectivity with respect to our personality disordered contributor 
as 
 well. Wish I could say those things so clearly. I just shake my 
head 
 and wonder who looks after her in that Long Island *home*.

BWAHAHA!!

Sudarsha, are you referring to *me*, by any chance?

Somebody sure is disordered around here...








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
jflanegi@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 no_reply@ 
 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin 
  jflanegi@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter 
  drpetersutphen@ 
wrote:
  
   Seems like MMY likes all the benefits of having
   disciples, but he accepts none of the reponsibility of
   having disciples.
   
  sounds like saying a tree likes all the benefits of 
having 
leaves, 
 but 
  accepts none of the responsibility of having leaves, 
 because 
they 
 drop 
  off in the Fall.
 
 Does sound that way, but in Mahesh's case it's much more a 
  matter 
 of you owe me everything and I owe you nothing. He'd be 
 only 
   too 
 delighted to have you (or preferably someone important) as 
a 
disciple 
 as long as and only as long as you were doing something 
for 
  him. 
The 
 moment you stop, like a leaf in the fall, you drop. 
 
 One of Mahesh's close advisors who helped him with the SCI 
  course 
in 
 Fiuggi said after that Mahesh treated people like orange 
  slices, 
he 
 sucked out the juice and tossed the peel.
 
 Ask not for whom the bell peals, it peals for thee!
 

what ever happened to personal responsibility and personal 
accountability? I'd never trust a guru with my life, I'd 
only 
  trust 
a guru's knowledge with my life, and only if I chose to. 
 There's 
  a 
significant difference. Why go through life as a victim?
   
   It's an irresponsible question, isn't it. You (we, anyone who 
  could 
   do something for Mahesh) couldn't be responsible, only 
Mahesh 
  had 
   the wast wedic wisdom to know what was best for any and 
everyone. 
  You 
   simply had to trust him, because he was so kozmik. He was 
cuddly, 
   intelligent, he giggled, he had charisma, the world adored 
 him ... 
   how can you trust yourself when you could trust him for such a 
  small 
   smirk amount of money? How can there be something so 
ridiculous 
  as 
   personal accountability in the face of someone who so 
obviously 
  has 
   the lock on enlightenment and superiourity -- look at the 
money 
 he 
   charged, isn't that an obvious sign that you can't possibly 
be 
   responsible, you can't possibly have what it takes to 
exercise 
   personal accountability.
   
   Well damn. Once you were fooled, you were only too willing to 
pay 
  any 
   price to get something for nothing!
  
  $65 to learn TM 30 years ago = one third of one penny per 
  meditation, and getting cheaper all the time. Pretty good deal I 
  think...
 
 
 About what I paid, except I didn't keep paying/buying. I got a lot 
of 
 it for free because, for reasons unaccountable, the old fart liked 
 me. I even got the 'sidhi' stuff for free, right from him! But if 
you 
 didn't pay $3000 to start and a whole heck of a lot more for the 
 rest, I am sure Mahesh saw to it that you made up for that little 
 shortcoming in other ways. -- But if you're happy with what you 
have 
 done and got and so on, then that's good. You deserve to be 
happy. -- 
 From where I sit, however, what you got was what anyone with the 
 checking notes could have given you for free: noticing some quite 
and 
 some silence. Everything else is just the icing that kept the cake 
 interesting so you didn't notice the hand in your pocket.

I wouldn't have had $3000 to spend on the sidhis when I received 
them. I did a work for sidhis trade instead, at a time before my 
current career materialized, so it was a good trade...As to any 
other money spent, I did a couple of residence courses, and bought a 
set of tapes and video tapes (total outlay ~$500). and that's it-- I 
still listen to the tapes and got a lot out of the rounding, so 
again, pretty good deal.

As to all the other stuff available, like advanced techniques, MMY 
honey, astrology consultations, vedic housing and music etc, etc, 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Tabla

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Tabla





on 6/23/06 6:57 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


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  Rick, what type of Indian rhythm system are you
  learning, north or south?
 
 North, I presume. My teachers teacher lives in New
 Delhi.

Have you memorized all the cycles...ta ta ti ta dun
dun etc.?

I dont intentionally memorize things, but if you practice something enough, you memorize it. Right now Im working on kaidas, which are rhymic variations. These are in tin tal. (16 beat cycle). The 1s of the 12 variations in the one Im working on is

DHA TIREKITE DHI TITE GINE DHA TIREKITE DHI TITE GINE 
DHA TIREKITE DHI TITE GINE DHATI GINA TUNA KATA
TA TIREKITE TI TITE KINE TA TIREKITE TI TITE KINE 
DHA TIREKITE DHI TITE GINE DHATI GINA DHINA GINE

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name





on 6/28/06 5:29 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

M Group was another of Mahesh's jokes at the expense of others' 
sincerity. Bevan got the real thing back in India in the early 60's. 

I think he got initiated in 67.

Guru Bev isn't much different from Guru wee shite Weasel 

You mean MMY?

when it 
comes to screwing whatever moves slower than he does. -- Mahesh made 
me an M Group initiator, mantras for monks and nuns who wanted to 
start TM via SCI. What a joke. One mantra for monks, one for nuns, 
same as Fiuggi mantras for teenages. 

No OM in it?

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 --- Vaj wrote:
 
The word galactic is better because of the word galaxy  and 
it's  
  derivation from of the Greek word for milk which also has 
allusions  
  to the Vedic analogy of grass - milk - butter - ghee (and 
numerous  
  other poetic metaphors in Rig Veda for the refinement of 
perception).  
  Also has to do experientially with the processes that occur in 
the  
  crown chakra which I might simply call Mother's milk.
 
 Cool. A friend described the opening of his crown chakra 
 as like melting - I got a picture of butter or gee melting 
 down the sides of his head.
 
 GALAXY ORIGIN late Middle English (originally referring to the 
Milky Way): via Old French 
 from medieval Latin galaxia, from Greek galaxias (kuklos) `milky 
(vault),' from gala, galakt- 
 `milk.'

felt to me like a fountain of golden rainbow bliss shooting from the 
crown of my head- not melting at all- very comfortable and soothing, 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Meditate

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Why Meditate





on 6/25/06 1:24 AM, suziezuzie at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I would be curious to know why people practice TM. Whether it be 
experiential reasons or philosophical or both, what are the reasons why 
you sit down once or twice a day and practice TM and the sidhis? What 
do you gain at the time you practice, afterwards, in the short run, 
long run and does an afterlife belief have anything to do with your 
practice? 

I do it because from day 1 I have found it to be profoundly relaxing, refreshing, and generally blissful, and have also noticed benefits in daily life from day one. For the most part, most of the promised benefits from TM have come true for me, just not as quickly as promised.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2400 Pundits to Germany?

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 2400 Pundits to Germany?





on 6/25/06 4:35 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


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 So why are the Vedic Pundits Indian? Why doesn't the TMO just train 
 Germans to be pundits? Or is this like bringing in Mexicans to mow
your 
 lawn?
 
 bob_brigante wrote:
 
 http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1151176428109153
 

It's harder to raise money with German pundits. Look how much the
Indian pundits have raised by not being here...

 kinda like paying the farmers not to farm.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Salif Keita

Curtis -- you may want to check this out too. (Link in adjacent post


Which link?




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  Thanks, I'll check them out. 
  
 
 Curtis -- you may want to check this out too. (Link in adjacent post)
 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/103212
 
 http://www.heartbone.com/no_thugs/hja.htm
 
 
 Make better music and have more women. What a deal!
 (Its from the gov't so it must be true)
 
   
 There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are
 Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music,
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name





on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early in my TM 
stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I saw meant 
exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant. 

Care to elaborate?

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Salif Keita

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 Curtis -- you may want to check this out too. (Link in adjacent post
 
 
 Which link?

Second link below. Source of quote below.

Joke.


 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
   Thanks, I'll check them out. 
   
  
  Curtis -- you may want to check this out too. (Link in adjacent post)
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/103212
  
  http://www.heartbone.com/no_thugs/hja.htm
  
  
  Make better music and have more women. What a deal!
  (Its from the gov't so it must be true)
  

  There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are
  Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music,
  jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use.  This marijuana causes
  white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and
  any others.
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy

Weird. I just received a dozen posts from last November. (I get mine by
email.)


on 11/10/05 12:46 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 On Nov 10, 2005, at 1:08 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Peter wrote:
 
 
 Rick, thanks for posting the files. I love the
 MMY and
 Nandkishore story. It reminds me of the story of
 one
 time MMY was at MIU in a small meeting and
 suddenly he
 turned to the woman assigned to take notes and
 asked
 her to explain how she was taking notes. She
 described
 to him what she was doing and he angerly said,
 who
 told you to do it that way? She replied, you
 did! MMY
 said he had not told her to do anything like
 that at
 all. She insisted that he had and he kept on
 saying he
 had not. She was finally on the verge of tears
 and she
 gave up and said that he hadn't told her to do
 that
 way. MMY said, very good and told her to
 continue
 doing it the way he had told her, just as she
 had
 described.
 
 
 This is very interesting, esp. given the recent
 discussion on
 questionable research. What would a researcher,
 who was a die-
 
 hard
 
 student, do if they were told by their teacher
 this is the way
 
 it
 
 is, even though it contradicted their
 findings...? Very
 
 interesting.
 
 
 
 If I saw them as my teacher, I'd give up on the
 teacher. If I saw
 them as my Master, I'd adjust my thinking.
 
 That's exactly what the people who drank the
 kool-aid in Guyana did.
 
 Scary.
 
 Yes, but you bring it to an absurd extreme. I think
 few would follow a master's directive to kill
 themselves. I wouldn't care if it was a test or not,
 I wouldn't do it. The dance with a master is as
 complex as one's attachments. MMY in these examples is
 just honing in for a specific attachment kill.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Salif Keita

Got it finally!  Sorry, sometimes I forget I'm black.  


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  Curtis -- you may want to check this out too. (Link in adjacent post
  
  
  Which link?
 
 Second link below. Source of quote below.
 
 Joke.
 
 
  
  
  
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   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
Thanks, I'll check them out. 

   
   Curtis -- you may want to check this out too. (Link in adjacent
post)
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/103212
   
   http://www.heartbone.com/no_thugs/hja.htm
   
   
   Make better music and have more women. What a deal!
   (Its from the gov't so it must be true)
   
 
   There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are
   Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic
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   jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use.  This marijuana causes
   white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and
   any others.
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Salif Keita

One funny thing about Salif Keita, he is albino and faced tremendous
prejudice from Africans who believe it is a sign of evil.


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  Curtis -- you may want to check this out too. (Link in adjacent post
  
  
  Which link?
 
 Second link below. Source of quote below.
 
 Joke.
 
 
  
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
Thanks, I'll check them out. 

   
   Curtis -- you may want to check this out too. (Link in adjacent
post)
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/103212
   
   http://www.heartbone.com/no_thugs/hja.htm
   
   
   Make better music and have more women. What a deal!
   (Its from the gov't so it must be true)
   
 
   There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are
   Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic
music,
   jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use.  This marijuana causes
   white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and
   any others.
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Weird. I just received a dozen posts from last November. (I get 
mine by
 email.)



Maybe you're time-tripping, like Billy Pilgrim in Slaughterhouse 
Five.




 
 
 on 11/10/05 12:46 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  
  
  --- Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  On Nov 10, 2005, at 1:08 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
  On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Peter wrote:
  
  
  Rick, thanks for posting the files. I love the
  MMY and
  Nandkishore story. It reminds me of the story of
  one
  time MMY was at MIU in a small meeting and
  suddenly he
  turned to the woman assigned to take notes and
  asked
  her to explain how she was taking notes. She
  described
  to him what she was doing and he angerly said,
  who
  told you to do it that way? She replied, you
  did! MMY
  said he had not told her to do anything like
  that at
  all. She insisted that he had and he kept on
  saying he
  had not. She was finally on the verge of tears
  and she
  gave up and said that he hadn't told her to do
  that
  way. MMY said, very good and told her to
  continue
  doing it the way he had told her, just as she
  had
  described.
  
  
  This is very interesting, esp. given the recent
  discussion on
  questionable research. What would a researcher,
  who was a die-
  
  hard
  
  student, do if they were told by their teacher
  this is the way
  
  it
  
  is, even though it contradicted their
  findings...? Very
  
  interesting.
  
  
  
  If I saw them as my teacher, I'd give up on the
  teacher. If I saw
  them as my Master, I'd adjust my thinking.
  
  That's exactly what the people who drank the
  kool-aid in Guyana did.
  
  Scary.
  
  Yes, but you bring it to an absurd extreme. I think
  few would follow a master's directive to kill
  themselves. I wouldn't care if it was a test or not,
  I wouldn't do it. The dance with a master is as
  complex as one's attachments. MMY in these examples is
  just honing in for a specific attachment kill.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A book you might enjoy

Rick,

None of it is coming through.

Did you do it on Rich-Text Editor (Beta)?  It should work there (and 
preview it first).


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 Forwarded from Steve Briggs, who spent years in India working for 
Maharishi.
 The book is about his experiences while there. Some excerpts and a 
jpeg of
 the cover are attached. For those who don't get FFL by email, I'll 
post them
 in the files section and you'll get notifications.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Steve Briggs [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 1:49 PM
 Subject: A book you might enjoy
 
 
 
 Dear Friends
 
 After three years, the book is done. I've attached a few excerpts 
for you to
 sample. The book has its ISBN number, but won't appear on Amazon 
or Barnes
 and Noble for a while yet. If you'd like a copy, just email me 
with your
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early in my TM
  stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I saw meant
  exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant.
 
 Care to elaborate?


Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who cares. Either 
people see him for what he is or they see him for what they want him 
to be. What difference would some old story make now.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought I had OCD problems...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
 wrote:
 
  For the past few days, I've been contributing to the 
 wikipedia 
   entry on Transcendental 
  Meditation. Boy, is that fun in dysfunctional sort of way. 
   Between Peter, Andrew 
Skolnick 
 and 
  myself, we've managed to completely rewrite the whole thing 
   about 10x over.
  
  http://www.wikipedia.org keyword: transcendental 
 meditation. 
   Click on the history 
 tab to 
  see what I mean...
 
 
 Due to the vandalism by peter and myself, Andrew has asked 
 for 
   an editorial lock to be 
 placed on the TM entry in wikipedia. Here is my response to 
   andrew's claim that my last 
 contribution was vandalism. I think he's more paranoid than 
 ever, 
   to be honest:
 
 
 vandalism by moi?
 
 Andrew, you justified your reverting of my edit of the 
 lawsuit 
   text because I was being a 
 vandal. Here is your original text, followed by my revision:

Andrew has since apologized to me twice. I'm under the 
 impression 
   that he gets so mad at 
New Agers or anyone who believes in anyting that smacks of the 
 New 
   Age stuff, that he 
automatically assumes the worse.  

I'll say this for Andrew. He's an equal-opportunity cynic. Look 
 at 
   this apparently ongoing 
exchange between him and Brian Josephson concerning Josephson's 
   psychic-oriented 
stuff. He goes for the throat, automatically:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Natasha_Demkina/Archive2
   
   Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
   he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
   one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
   he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
   boggling.
  
  Eh. He's on a Mission From God, what can I say?
 
 Completely missing the, um, let's call it *irony*
 that he uses the same ends-justify-the-means
 approach that he complains about: being on the side
 of the angels, in his mind, validates his use of
 deceit and other thoroughly unscrupulous tactics.


He doesn't miss the irony: he revels in it. Payback's a bitch. My understanding 
of his 
background is that he watched his dumpster-diving mom spend every penny on new 
age 
crapola rather than buy food and clothing. He hates all things new age, and 
with good 
reason.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ken stops his brainwaves

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 By request.
 
 Ken Wilber demonstrates different brainwave patterns on a standard  
 home unit used in Neuro-feedback.
 
 Ever hear of a TMer doing a blank wave?
 
 No, I'm sure you haven't...
 
 Well, here it is:
 
 http://www.tinyurl.com/cmay6
 
 (bottom of the page)
 
 Eventually we'll see similar technology used to qualify and verify
 those claiming certain states (e.g. someone claiming access to a non-
 dual state should be able to make a flat EEG).


As I already pointed out, the fat cells of the brain--the glia cells, AKA 
white matter--
produce EEG readings. This obsession you have with someone who is basically 
claiming to 
become brain-dead temporarily is fascinating. Has Wilber ever approached a 
professional 
about this? Have you consulted with the researchers doing the Buddhist 
meditation 
research about this little video?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ 
  wrote:
   
 
   Regardless of anything, if a man is called, let's say,
   Frank Loyd Wright and has been called this for the
   last 50 years, why in the world would anyone say his
   name is Frankie just because they don't like him?
   Can't the Wikipedia people see through this?
  
  Who is behind this Wikipedia - americans ?
 
 
 http://www.wikipedia.org
 
 Why don't you check it out and find out?

Right, Jimmy Wales from Alabama. Says it all.
   
   Says *what* all?
  
  That the probability of Wikipedia being controlled by the CIA is 
  rather high. And we well know what the CIA - at least in the past - 
  think of Maharishis movement.
 
 Whoa.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: And I thought I had OCD problems...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ 
  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig 
sparaig@ 
  wrote:
  
   For the past few days, I've been contributing to the 
  wikipedia 
entry on Transcendental 
   Meditation. Boy, is that fun in dysfunctional sort of 
way. 
Between Peter, Andrew 
 Skolnick 
  and 
   myself, we've managed to completely rewrite the whole 
thing 
about 10x over.
   
   http://www.wikipedia.org keyword: transcendental 
  meditation. 
Click on the history 
  tab to 
   see what I mean...
  
  
  Due to the vandalism by peter and myself, Andrew has 
asked 
  for 
an editorial lock to be 
  placed on the TM entry in wikipedia. Here is my response 
to 
andrew's claim that my last 
  contribution was vandalism. I think he's more paranoid 
than 
  ever, 
to be honest:
  
  
  vandalism by moi?
  
  Andrew, you justified your reverting of my edit of the 
  lawsuit 
text because I was being a 
  vandal. Here is your original text, followed by my 
revision:
 
 Andrew has since apologized to me twice. I'm under the 
  impression 
that he gets so mad at 
 New Agers or anyone who believes in anyting that smacks of 
the 
  New 
Age stuff, that he 
 automatically assumes the worse.  
 
 I'll say this for Andrew. He's an equal-opportunity cynic. 
Look 
  at 
this apparently ongoing 
 exchange between him and Brian Josephson concerning 
Josephson's 
psychic-oriented 
 stuff. He goes for the throat, automatically:
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Natasha_Demkina/Archive2

Andrew Skolnick--with whom I had many disputes when
he was posting to alt.meditation.transcendental--is
one of the sleaziest people I've ever encountered.  That
he gets to call himself a *journalist* is just mind-
boggling.
   
   Eh. He's on a Mission From God, what can I say?
  
  Completely missing the, um, let's call it *irony*
  that he uses the same ends-justify-the-means
  approach that he complains about: being on the side
  of the angels, in his mind, validates his use of
  deceit and other thoroughly unscrupulous tactics.
 
 He doesn't miss the irony: he revels in it.

OK, well, I was trying to be polite.  What he
revels in is hypocrisy, in additon to his other
sins.

 Payback's a bitch. My understanding of his 
 background is that he watched his dumpster-diving mom spend every 
 penny on new age crapola rather than buy food and clothing. He 
 hates all things new age, and with good reason.

He has good reason to hate new age scams, not all things
new age.  He's taking out his childhood traumas on things
that don't deserve it.








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name





on 6/29/06 4:15 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote:
 
  I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early in my TM
  stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I saw meant
  exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant.
 
 Care to elaborate?


Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who cares. Either 
people see him for what he is or they see him for what they want him 
to be. What difference would some old story make now.

The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener when one is ready to read it. Many have said they found it liberating. Thats the difference these old stories can make. So bang away if youre so inclined. Some will believe you; some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete key.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

I think hearing the human side of characters like MMY  with such a
carefully crafted spiritually special image is valuable and highly
entertaining.  I wish I could  hear one tail of his human mischief for
each time I had to listen to one of Bevan's adjectives-on-parade,
condescending introductions to his holiness.  So if you are up for
it bang away, I for one, am all ears!




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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early in my TM
   stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I saw meant
   exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant.
  
  Care to elaborate?
 
 
 Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who cares. Either 
 people see him for what he is or they see him for what they want him 
 to be. What difference would some old story make now.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Superman Returns

2006-06-29 Thread MDixon6569







In a message dated 6/29/06 11:48:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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  --- MDixon6569 wrote: Has anybody see Superman Returns yet? 
  I saw it yesterday and found it to be  very uplifting and spiritual, 
  almost a prophetic movie of what could be  someday.I found it 
  very sweet. Funny word for a summer action movie.When I saw Richard 
  Donner's Superman movie in 1978 (the one with Christopher Reeve), I 
  thought it would be prophetic. The TM-Sidhis were new and hope was 
  high. This time around, I saw the story as a metaphor. I'm told we 
  are, in essence, indestructable, and this movie showed what that's like on 
  the physical plane. But it went further, too.I was touched by an 
  exchange between Lois Lane and the Man of Steel. She had won a 
  Pulitzer prize for an editorial entitled "Why the world doesn't need 
  Superman." He takes her up into the sky and asks her what she 
  hears."Nothing," she says."I hear everything," he says. (It 
  turns out his super hearing takes in everything at once.)"You say 
  the world doesn't need a savior," he says. "But I hear people everywhere 
  crying out for one."

The movie was filled with touching scenes like that. I liked 
the one of him meditating in space above the earth and allowing nature to 
attract his attention to where he was needed 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early in my TM
   stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I saw meant
   exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant.
  
  Care to elaborate?
 
 
snip Either people see him for what he is or they see him for what 
 they want him to be. snip

works both ways, huh?





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Superman Returns

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
 In a message dated 6/29/06 11:48:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  
  
 --- MDixon6569 wrote:
 
  Has anybody see Superman Returns yet?  I saw it yesterday and 
found it to 
 be 
  very uplifting and spiritual,  almost a prophetic movie of what 
could be 
  someday.
 
 I found it  very sweet. Funny word for a summer action movie.
 
 When I saw Richard  Donner's Superman movie 
 in 1978 (the one with Christopher Reeve), I  
 thought it would be prophetic. The TM-Sidhis 
 were new and hope was  high. 
 
 This time around, I saw the story as a metaphor. 
 I'm told we  are, in essence, indestructable, and 
 this movie showed what that's like on  the physical 
 plane. But it went further, too.
 
 I was touched by an  exchange between Lois 
 Lane and the Man of Steel. She had won a  
 Pulitzer prize for an editorial entitled Why 
 the world doesn't need  Superman. He takes 
 her up into the sky and asks her what she  hears.
 
 Nothing, she says.
 
 I hear everything, he says. (It  turns out his 
 super hearing takes in everything at once.)
 
 You say  the world doesn't need a savior, 
 he says. But I hear people everywhere  crying 
 out for one.
 
 
 
 
 
 The movie was filled with touching scenes like that. I liked  the 
one of him 
 meditating in space above the earth and allowing nature to  
attract his 
 attention to where he was needed  most.

Cool- Thanks for posting your review- I'd certainly trust it before 
I'd trust a movie 'critic'. I always liked Superman too...though 
even as a kid couldn't figure out why no one saw that CK was 
obviously 'the man'...






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[FairfieldLife] Iowa City Jazz Fest this weekend

2006-06-29 Thread Sal Sunshine

Great festival, for those in the area:

http://www.iowacity.com/icjazz/



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 6/29/06 4:15 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:
   
I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early in 
my TM
stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I saw 
meant
exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant.
   
   Care to elaborate?
  
  
  Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who cares. Either
  people see him for what he is or they see him for what they want 
him
  to be. What difference would some old story make now.
  
 The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener when one is ready to 
read it.
 Many have said they found it liberating. That¹s the difference 
these old
 stories can make. So bang away if you¹re so inclined. Some will 
believe you;
 some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete key.


The simple details are that I liked the guy and he seemed to like me. 
But there was no way I'd trust him and, as I watched (him), I saw 
that his public facade was nothing like his private one where he was 
totally demanding and uncompromising (I want what I want and you will 
get it for me, give it to me, or you're outta here). Can you say 
narcissist? Little things add up and begin to confirm a picture. I'll 
think about it and maybe one of these days I'll tell you some of what 
the private life of a pseudo-guru/con-man/charletan is like. 

Because I don't like rounding, I was quite alert when, at the height 
of the second Mallorca course, or second half of the first one, the 
Fiuggi course and the La Antilla course, he literally preyed on the 
mind-boggled rounders about getting money for 6-month courses from 
some auntie or grandparents and getting money to support them as 
108's and how he banged on about no one can love you like I can. He 
could really insert himself and had the con-man's nose for the 
weakness of others. 

I did put a pdf in the files, Mahesh's heavy handed money grab 
following 9/11. At the same time, HH the Dali Lama quietly sent NYC a 
cheque for $30,000 (which, considering his situation is fantastic).

Mahesh's ad, in three prominent newspapers tells me more about what a 
shite and an oik he is than any of his less known dirty dealings. 
He's a right dodgy bastard who can pull the wool over the eyes of the 
unspecting with an awsome skill.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name





on 6/29/06 6:33 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 6/29/06 4:15 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com 
  mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com wrote:
   
I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early in 
my TM
stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I saw 
meant
exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant.
   
   Care to elaborate?
  
  
  Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who cares. Either
  people see him for what he is or they see him for what they want 
him
  to be. What difference would some old story make now.
  
 The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener when one is ready to 
read it.
 Many have said they found it liberating. Thats the difference 
these old
 stories can make. So bang away if youre so inclined. Some will 
believe you;
 some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete key.


The simple details are that I liked the guy and he seemed to like me. 
But there was no way I'd trust him and, as I watched (him), I saw 
that his public facade was nothing like his private one where he was 
totally demanding and uncompromising (I want what I want and you will 
get it for me, give it to me, or you're outta here). Can you say 
narcissist? Little things add up and begin to confirm a picture. I'll 
think about it and maybe one of these days I'll tell you some of what 
the private life of a pseudo-guru/con-man/charletan is like. 

Because I don't like rounding, I was quite alert when, at the height 
of the second Mallorca course, or second half of the first one, the 
Fiuggi course and the La Antilla course, he literally preyed on the 
mind-boggled rounders about getting money for 6-month courses from 
some auntie or grandparents and getting money to support them as 
108's and how he banged on about no one can love you like I can. He 
could really insert himself and had the con-man's nose for the 
weakness of others. 

So is that the highly compromising activity you alluded to? Please elaborate as time allows. FFL is all about having the whole story told.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 6/29/06 6:33 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   on 6/29/06 4:15 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com  mailto:FairfieldLife%
  40yahoogroups.com
, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:

 on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:
 
  I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity 
early in
  my TM
  stint. I simply could not admit to myself that 
what I saw
  meant
  exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it 
meant.
 
 Care to elaborate?


Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who cares. 
Either
people see him for what he is or they see him for what they 
want
  him
to be. What difference would some old story make now.

   The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener when one is 
ready to
  read it.
   Many have said they found it liberating. That¹s the difference
  these old
   stories can make. So bang away if you¹re so inclined. Some will
  believe you;
   some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete key.
  
  
  The simple details are that I liked the guy and he seemed to like 
me.
  But there was no way I'd trust him and, as I watched (him), I saw
  that his public facade was nothing like his private one where he 
was
  totally demanding and uncompromising (I want what I want and you 
will
  get it for me, give it to me, or you're outta here). Can you say
  narcissist? Little things add up and begin to confirm a picture. 
I'll
  think about it and maybe one of these days I'll tell you some of 
what
  the private life of a pseudo-guru/con-man/charletan is like.
  
  Because I don't like rounding, I was quite alert when, at the 
height
  of the second Mallorca course, or second half of the first one, 
the
  Fiuggi course and the La Antilla course, he literally preyed on 
the
  mind-boggled rounders about getting money for 6-month courses from
  some auntie or grandparents and getting money to support them as
  108's and how he banged on about no one can love you like I 
can. He
  could really insert himself and had the con-man's nose for the
  weakness of others.
 
 So is that the ³highly compromising activity² you alluded to? Please
 elaborate as time allows. FFL is all about having the whole story 
told.


No, that wasn't it, but in a couple weeks, after the conference I'm 
going to, maybe I'll feel more like being detailed. People were 
either reeled in hook, line, sinker, kitchen sink and bank roll or 
they weren't. Mostly, from where I sit, it looks like some folks were 
satisified subscribing to a knowitall guru, because then they didn't 
have any more decisions to make and there were no further 
responsibilities other than serving the master whatever that means. 

I can understand the desire to know the nitty and the gritty of all 
this, but it's just useless information to clutter the mind. Either 
you think Mahesh is the way to salvation or you don't. 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 6/29/06 6:33 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   on 6/29/06 4:15 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com  
mailto:FairfieldLife%
  40yahoogroups.com
, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:

 on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:
 
  I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising 
activity early in
  my TM
  stint. I simply could not admit to myself that 
what I saw
  meant
  exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it 
meant.
 
 Care to elaborate?


Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who cares. 
Either
people see him for what he is or they see him for what 
they want
  him
to be. What difference would some old story make now.

   The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener when one is 
ready to
  read it.
   Many have said they found it liberating. That¹s the difference
  these old
   stories can make. So bang away if you¹re so inclined. Some 
will
  believe you;
   some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete key.
  
  
  The simple details are that I liked the guy and he seemed to 
like me.
  But there was no way I'd trust him and, as I watched (him), I saw
  that his public facade was nothing like his private one where he 
was
  totally demanding and uncompromising (I want what I want and you 
will
  get it for me, give it to me, or you're outta here). Can you say
  narcissist? Little things add up and begin to confirm a picture. 
I'll
  think about it and maybe one of these days I'll tell you some of 
what
  the private life of a pseudo-guru/con-man/charletan is like.
  
  Because I don't like rounding, I was quite alert when, at the 
height
  of the second Mallorca course, or second half of the first one, 
the
  Fiuggi course and the La Antilla course, he literally preyed on 
the
  mind-boggled rounders about getting money for 6-month courses 
from
  some auntie or grandparents and getting money to support them as
  108's and how he banged on about no one can love you like I 
can. He
  could really insert himself and had the con-man's nose for the
  weakness of others.
 
 So is that the ³highly compromising activity² you alluded to? 
Please
 elaborate as time allows. FFL is all about having the whole story 
told.

Rick, give it up...that book you are writing is going to be full of 
unsubstantiated rumor and childish exaggerations and gossip. No-one 
except the TMexers here will read it.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 6/29/06 6:33 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
 40yahoogroups.com
   , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   
on 6/29/06 4:15 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com  
mailto:FairfieldLife%
   40yahoogroups.com
 , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com
 mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:
  
   I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising 
activity 
 early in
   my TM
   stint. I simply could not admit to myself that 
 what I saw
   meant
   exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it 
 meant.
  
  Care to elaborate?
 
 
 Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who 
cares. 
 Either
 people see him for what he is or they see him for what 
they 
 want
   him
 to be. What difference would some old story make now.
 
The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener when one is 
 ready to
   read it.
Many have said they found it liberating. That¹s the 
difference
   these old
stories can make. So bang away if you¹re so inclined. Some 
will
   believe you;
some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete key.
   
   
   The simple details are that I liked the guy and he seemed to 
like 
 me.
   But there was no way I'd trust him and, as I watched (him), I 
saw
   that his public facade was nothing like his private one where 
he 
 was
   totally demanding and uncompromising (I want what I want and 
you 
 will
   get it for me, give it to me, or you're outta here). Can you 
say
   narcissist? Little things add up and begin to confirm a 
picture. 
 I'll
   think about it and maybe one of these days I'll tell you some 
of 
 what
   the private life of a pseudo-guru/con-man/charletan is like.
   
   Because I don't like rounding, I was quite alert when, at the 
 height
   of the second Mallorca course, or second half of the first 
one, 
 the
   Fiuggi course and the La Antilla course, he literally preyed 
on 
 the
   mind-boggled rounders about getting money for 6-month courses 
from
   some auntie or grandparents and getting money to support them 
as
   108's and how he banged on about no one can love you like I 
 can. He
   could really insert himself and had the con-man's nose for the
   weakness of others.
  
  So is that the ³highly compromising activity² you alluded to? 
Please
  elaborate as time allows. FFL is all about having the whole 
story 
 told.
 
 
 No, that wasn't it, but in a couple weeks, after the conference 
I'm 
 going to, maybe I'll feel more like being detailed. People were 
 either reeled in hook, line, sinker, kitchen sink and bank roll or 
 they weren't. Mostly, from where I sit, it looks like some folks 
were 
 satisified subscribing to a knowitall guru, because then they 
didn't 
 have any more decisions to make and there were no further 
 responsibilities other than serving the master whatever that 
means. 
 
 I can understand the desire to know the nitty and the gritty of 
all 
 this, but it's just useless information to clutter the mind. 
Either 
 you think Mahesh is the way to salvation or you don't. 
 
 I don't.

You got nothing. You are just looking for attention, but will find 
something to make up that is totally unsubstantiated and 
uncorroborated by the majority of the people who were there.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 where he was  totally demanding and uncompromising (I want what 
I want and you will 
 get it for me, give it to me, or you're outta here).


You mean you couldn't just hang out, play bad guitar, and smoke the 
weed like usual? Bummer huh?


  Can you say narcissist? Little things add up and begin to 
confirm a picture. 


Can you say 'paranoia'?


 Because I don't like rounding, 


Just smokin' the weed and watching the chics on the beach eh? Quite 
right. 


I was quite alert when, at the height  of the second Mallorca 
course, or second half of the first one, the Fiuggi course and the 
La Antilla course, he literally preyed on the 
 mind-boggled rounders about getting money for 6-month courses from 
 some auntie or grandparents and getting money to support them as 
 108's and how he banged on about no one can love you like I can. 
He could really insert himself and had the con-man's nose for the 
 weakness of others. 


Sounds like you were trippin'. No-one else reports this as of much 
importance.



 I did put a pdf in the files, Mahesh's heavy handed money grab 
 following 9/11. 


Maharishi has always been unabashed to ask for money. You apparently 
are so attached to money that you think it is like a God, and 
sacred, and should be treated weith so much reverence. Maharishi is 
trying to cleanse you of this ignorant notion.

At the same time, HH the Dali Lama quietly sent NYC a 
 cheque for $30,000 (which, considering his situation is 
fantastic).

You are so naive. Where did a boy from a poor family, who became a 
monk, get his money? And the Dalai Lama's solution of handing over 
$30,000, or even a billion dollars, to NYC would be a complete waste 
of time. Maharishi knows this. You apparently are so attached to 
money that you think it can solve problems by just throwing it at 
the problem instead of treating the root of the problem. Maharishi 
is trying to cleanse you of this ignorant notion.
 
 Mahesh's ad, in three prominent newspapers tells me more about 
what a  shite and an oik he is than any of his less known dirty 
dealings.  He's a right dodgy bastard who can pull the wool over the 
eyes of the unspecting 

Especially yours.

What part of England are you from anyway?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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on 6/29/06 8:03 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I can understand the desire to know the nitty and the gritty of all 
this, but it's just useless information to clutter the mind. Either 
you think Mahesh is the way to salvation or you don't. 

I don't.

For me its not so black and white. Meditating and being involved with MMY was of tremendous value in my life. Leaving was of tremendous value. Learning the behind-the-faade details has helped me (and many others) sort things out. After all, when Toto pulled back the curtain and exposed the real Wizard of Oz, Dorothy and her friends were disillusioned, but that was a good thing. The illusion wasnt doing them any good. But it had served a purpose in bringing them to Oz. And the professor wasnt such a bad chap after all. He pointed out to them that they already had what they were looking for.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name



--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 6/29/06 6:33 PM, gerbal88 at
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com
  , Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   on 6/29/06 4:15 PM, gerbal88 at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com 
 mailto:FairfieldLife%
  40yahoogroups.com
, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:

 on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com
mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com 
 wrote:
 
  I caught Mahesh in a highly
 compromising activity early in
  my TM
  stint. I simply could not admit to
 myself that what I saw
  meant
  exactly what I knew, but could not
 admit, it meant.
 
 Care to elaborate?


Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but,
 really, who cares. Either
people see him for what he is or they see
 him for what they want
  him
to be. What difference would some old story
 make now.

   The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener
 when one is ready to
  read it.
   Many have said they found it liberating. That¹s
 the difference
  these old
   stories can make. So bang away if you¹re so
 inclined. Some will
  believe you;
   some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete
 key.
  
  
  The simple details are that I liked the guy and he
 seemed to like me.
  But there was no way I'd trust him and, as I
 watched (him), I saw
  that his public facade was nothing like his
 private one where he was
  totally demanding and uncompromising (I want what
 I want and you will
  get it for me, give it to me, or you're outta
 here). Can you say
  narcissist? Little things add up and begin to
 confirm a picture. I'll
  think about it and maybe one of these days I'll
 tell you some of what
  the private life of a
 pseudo-guru/con-man/charletan is like.
  
  Because I don't like rounding, I was quite alert
 when, at the height
  of the second Mallorca course, or second half of
 the first one, the
  Fiuggi course and the La Antilla course, he
 literally preyed on the
  mind-boggled rounders about getting money for
 6-month courses from
  some auntie or grandparents and getting money to
 support them as
  108's and how he banged on about no one can love
 you like I can. He
  could really insert himself and had the con-man's
 nose for the
  weakness of others.
 
 So is that the ³highly compromising activity² you
 alluded to? Please
 elaborate as time allows. FFL is all about having
 the whole story told.

MMY is a sweet, enlightened demon, right out of the
Puranas!




 
 


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on 6/29/06 8:17 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

Rick, give it up...that book you are writing is going to be full of 
unsubstantiated rumor and childish exaggerations and gossip. No-one 
except the TMexers here will read it.

Im not writing a book. Never said I was. Have no desire to write one.

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on 6/29/06 8:19 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

You got nothing. You are just looking for attention, but will find 
something to make up that is totally unsubstantiated and 
uncorroborated by the majority of the people who were there.

Thats true, because the majority who were there werent in the inner circle. But those in the inner circle soon learned that MMYs private and public personae were quite different. This discovery caused the majority of MMYs personal secretaries to leave the movement.

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[FairfieldLife] Tabla finger exercises

Rick,
Does your tabla teacher have you doing finger
exercises to strengthen your fingers? I'm curious
because as I get better on the doumbek I notice that
my finger rolls, with some fingers, are a tad lame and
thought your teacher might have taught you something
to facilitate finger strength and independence.
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on 6/29/06 8:27 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Rick,
Does your tabla teacher have you doing finger
exercises to strengthen your fingers? I'm curious
because as I get better on the doumbek I notice that
my finger rolls, with some fingers, are a tad lame and
thought your teacher might have taught you something
to facilitate finger strength and independence.
-Peter

No exercises independent of the tabla. But there are basic simple tabla rhythms that should be practiced repetitively to build strength and technique.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 6/29/06 8:19 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  You got nothing. You are just looking for attention, but will find
  something to make up that is totally unsubstantiated and
  uncorroborated by the majority of the people who were there.
  
 That¹s true, because the majority who were there weren¹t in the inner
 circle. But those in the inner circle soon learned that MMY¹s 
private and
 public personae were quite different. This discovery caused the 
majority of
 MMY¹s personal secretaries to leave the movement.

That he was very demanding of the people around is not new news to 
anyone on the movement. Everyone knows this. Nobody cares. Those who 
are close to him either stay with him or leave. He doesn't care. Only 
the ego cares.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

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on 6/29/06 8:50 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

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 on 6/29/06 8:19 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com 
wrote:
 
  You got nothing. You are just looking for attention, but will find
  something to make up that is totally unsubstantiated and
  uncorroborated by the majority of the people who were there.
  
 Thats true, because the majority who were there werent in the inner
 circle. But those in the inner circle soon learned that MMYs 
private and
 public personae were quite different. This discovery caused the 
majority of
 MMYs personal secretaries to leave the movement.

That he was very demanding of the people around is not new news to 
anyone on the movement. Everyone knows this. Nobody cares. Those who 
are close to him either stay with him or leave. He doesn't care. Only 
the ego cares.

Im not talking about demanding. Im talking about ethical and rational shortcomings that most people either skirted, rejected (and left) or attuned to, becoming unethical and irrational themselves.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 6/29/06 8:50 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
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  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   on 6/29/06 8:19 PM, off_world_beings at 
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  wrote:
   
You got nothing. You are just looking for attention, but 
will find
something to make up that is totally unsubstantiated and
uncorroborated by the majority of the people who were 
there.

   That¹s true, because the majority who were there weren¹t in 
the inner
   circle. But those in the inner circle soon learned that MMY¹s
  private and
   public personae were quite different. This discovery caused 
the
  majority of
   MMY¹s personal secretaries to leave the movement.
  
  That he was very demanding of the people around is not new news 
to
  anyone on the movement. Everyone knows this. Nobody cares. Those 
who
  are close to him either stay with him or leave. He doesn't care. 
Only
  the ego cares.
  
 I¹m not talking about demanding. I¹m talking about ethical and 
rational
 shortcomings that most people either skirted, rejected (and left) 
or attuned
 to, becoming unethical and irrational themselves.


And which would those be? 
Which of those did you specifically see with your own eyes, and have 
a clear memory of? Please explain each clearly and specifically?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Tabla finger exercises

Thanks

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  Rick,
  Does your tabla teacher have you doing finger
  exercises to strengthen your fingers? I'm curious
  because as I get better on the doumbek I notice
 that
  my finger rolls, with some fingers, are a tad lame
 and
  thought your teacher might have taught you
 something
  to facilitate finger strength and independence.
  -Peter
  
 No exercises independent of the tabla. But there are
 basic simple tabla
 rhythms that should be practiced repetitively to
 build strength and
 technique.
 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Tabla finger exercises

Hey Peter,

Check out this guy who is the finger exercise guru.
http://www.handhealth.com/  I have his tape and it really it great. 
There are some video demos of his work on this site.

I have a great sounding clay doumbek. Fantastic sound for the size.


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 Thanks
 
 --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  on 6/29/06 8:27 PM, Peter at
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   Rick,
   Does your tabla teacher have you doing finger
   exercises to strengthen your fingers? I'm curious
   because as I get better on the doumbek I notice
  that
   my finger rolls, with some fingers, are a tad lame
  and
   thought your teacher might have taught you
  something
   to facilitate finger strength and independence.
   -Peter
   
  No exercises independent of the tabla. But there are
  basic simple tabla
  rhythms that should be practiced repetitively to
  build strength and
  technique.
  
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name





on 6/29/06 9:12 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

And which would those be? 
Which of those did you specifically see with your own eyes, and have 
a clear memory of? Please explain each clearly and specifically?

Youve been reading FFL for years. I shouldnt need to reiterate.

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[FairfieldLife] Fairfield hospital may get SthapathyaVeda design

2006-06-29 Thread bob_brigante

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic knowledge will be complete in the awareness of everyone

2006-06-29 Thread bob_brigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
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 Interestingly, as Vaj alluded to, Maharishi has 
 taught a few techniques that involve thoughts 
 of planetary bodies, individually and in clusters. 
 I've never really understood why. My experiences 
 are not so vivid as to reveal the import of these 
 techniques. I suspect, however, that it has 
 something to do with tying one's individual 
 awareness to the bigger picture, as a jyotish 
 consultation does. Perhaps someone here can
 elucidate.
 

**

King Tony's book on human physiology ( http://tinyurl.com/8rjlv ) 
says that the human body is a mirror of the cosmic structure, so the 
age of enlightenment technique (the 7th advanced technique) is a way 
of mapping the one onto the other, expanding the meditator's ability 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 6/29/06 9:12 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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  And which would those be?
  Which of those did you specifically see with your own eyes, and 
have
  a clear memory of? Please explain each clearly and specifically?
  
 You¹ve been reading FFL for years. I shouldn¹t need to reiterate.



I never heard you say you saw with your own eyes anything of any 
worthy note. Now trying to avoid looking into your past to see which 
of those did you specifically see with your own eyes, and have 
a clear memory of? Please explain each clearly and specifically? I 
honestly cannot remember you saying anything that you yourself 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Superman Returns

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 --- MDixon6569 wrote:
 
  Has anybody see Superman Returns yet?  I saw it yesterday and 
found it to 
 be 
  very uplifting and spiritual,  almost a prophetic movie of what 
could be 
  someday.
 
 I found it  very sweet. Funny word for a summer action movie.
 
 When I saw Richard  Donner's Superman movie 
 in 1978 (the one with Christopher Reeve), I  
 thought it would be prophetic. The TM-Sidhis 
 were new and hope was  high. 
 
 This time around, I saw the story as a metaphor. 
 I'm told we  are, in essence, indestructable, and 
 this movie showed what that's like on  the physical 
 plane. But it went further, too.
 
 I was touched by an  exchange between Lois 
 Lane and the Man of Steel.

Teräs-mies = Steel-man

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

2006-06-29 Thread Robert Gimbel

 
   
I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early in 
my TM
stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I saw 
meant
exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant.
   
   Care to elaborate?
  
  
  Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who cares. Either
  people see him for what he is or they see him for what they want 
him
  to be. What difference would some old story make now.
  
 The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener when one is ready to 
read it.
 Many have said they found it liberating. That¹s the difference 
these old
 stories can make. So bang away if you¹re so inclined. Some will 
believe you;
 some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete key.

I saw Maharishi as being a magnet to both men and women.
His shakti, that I recall was far beyond anything I could imagine, at 
the time.
Woman, beautiful women loved to be in his presence.
He seemed like he was appreiciative of their beauty.

I had heard that Walt Whitman, who was considered to be a liberated 
soul;
Had liasons with men and women both; 
Particularly during the Civil War, he is associated with conforting 
the dieing soldier;
Also, he is credited for getting his collections of poems,
Banned in Boston, for it's sexual material.

I'm not sure Maharishi has used his influence to be
Like the Marque De Sade, or anything close to that.
Though he was also considered a free spirit;
Persecuted for his lustful novels.

It's amazing how in any religious organization;
How sexuality becomes an issue of any sort whatsoever;
When it's just a natural function of life.

Let's face it; George Bush is in the White House now;
Because Bill got a blow job in the oval office.
How absurb.








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 on 6/29/06 6:33 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
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  , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
  
   on 6/29/06 4:15 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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 on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at 
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mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:
 
  I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising 
activity early in
  my TM
  stint. I simply could not admit to myself that 
what I saw
  meant
  exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it 
meant.
 
 Care to elaborate?


Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who cares. 
Either
people see him for what he is or they see him for what 
they want
  him
to be. What difference would some old story make now.

   The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener when one is 
ready to
  read it.
   Many have said they found it liberating. That¹s the difference
  these old
   stories can make. So bang away if you¹re so inclined. Some 
will
  believe you;
   some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete key.
  
  
  The simple details are that I liked the guy and he seemed to 
like me.
  But there was no way I'd trust him and, as I watched (him), I saw
  that his public facade was nothing like his private one where he 
was
  totally demanding and uncompromising (I want what I want and you 
will
  get it for me, give it to me, or you're outta here). Can you say
  narcissist? Little things add up and begin to confirm a picture. 
I'll
  think about it and maybe one of these days I'll tell you some of 
what
  the private life of a pseudo-guru/con-man/charletan is like.
  
  Because I don't like rounding, I was quite alert when, at the 
height
  of the second Mallorca course, or second half of the first one, 
the
  Fiuggi course and the La Antilla course, he literally preyed on 
the
  mind-boggled rounders about getting money for 6-month courses 
from
  some auntie or grandparents and getting money to support them as
  108's and how he banged on about no one can love you like I 
can. He
  could really insert himself and had the con-man's nose for the
  weakness of others.
 
 So is that the ³highly compromising activity² you alluded to? 
Please
 elaborate as time allows. FFL is all about having the whole story 
told.


Maybe MMY once yelled at him.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 6/29/06 4:15 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
 40yahoogroups.com
   , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   
on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:

 I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising activity early 
in 
 my TM
 stint. I simply could not admit to myself that what I 
saw 
 meant
 exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it meant.

Care to elaborate?
   
   
   Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who cares. 
Either
   people see him for what he is or they see him for what they 
want 
 him
   to be. What difference would some old story make now.
   
  The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener when one is ready 
to 
 read it.
  Many have said they found it liberating. That¹s the difference 
 these old
  stories can make. So bang away if you¹re so inclined. Some will 
 believe you;
  some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete key.
 
 
 The simple details are that I liked the guy and he seemed to like 
me. 
 But there was no way I'd trust him and, as I watched (him), I saw 
 that his public facade was nothing like his private one where he 
was 
 totally demanding and uncompromising (I want what I want and you 
will 
 get it for me, give it to me, or you're outta here). Can you say 
 narcissist? Little things add up and begin to confirm a picture. 
I'll 
 think about it and maybe one of these days I'll tell you some of 
what 
 the private life of a pseudo-guru/con-man/charletan is like. 
 
 Because I don't like rounding, I was quite alert when, at the 
height 
 of the second Mallorca course, or second half of the first one, 
the 
 Fiuggi course and the La Antilla course, he literally preyed on 
the 
 mind-boggled rounders about getting money for 6-month courses from 
 some auntie or grandparents and getting money to support them as 
 108's and how he banged on about no one can love you like I can. 
He 
 could really insert himself and had the con-man's nose for the 
 weakness of others. 
 
 I did put a pdf in the files, Mahesh's heavy handed money grab 
 following 9/11. At the same time, HH the Dali Lama quietly sent 
NYC a 
 cheque for $30,000 (which, considering his situation is fantastic).
 
 Mahesh's ad, in three prominent newspapers tells me more about 
what a 
 shite and an oik he is than any of his less known dirty dealings. 
 He's a right dodgy bastard who can pull the wool over the eyes of 
the 
 unspecting with an awsome skill.



Yeah, but does TM work?

And as for the Dalai Lama, how many died under his watch?

1,500,000.

How many died under MMY's watch?

About 4.

I don't want to get into a pissing contest as regards MMY and the 
DL -- especially since I have my own problems and complaints about 
MMY and the TMO -- but since YOU invoked the comparison above, I 
thought it appropriate to look at some bottom-line figures.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 6/29/06 6:33 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%
 40yahoogroups.com
   , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
   
on 6/29/06 4:15 PM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
   mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com  
mailto:FairfieldLife%
   40yahoogroups.com
 , Rick Archer groups@ wrote:
 
  on 6/28/06 5:26 PM, gerbal88 at 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com
 mailto:no_reply%40yahoogroups.com  wrote:
  
   I caught Mahesh in a highly compromising 
activity 
 early in
   my TM
   stint. I simply could not admit to myself that 
 what I saw
   meant
   exactly what I knew, but could not admit, it 
 meant.
  
  Care to elaborate?
 
 
 Oh, I'd love to bang on about it, but, really, who 
cares. 
 Either
 people see him for what he is or they see him for what 
they 
 want
   him
 to be. What difference would some old story make now.
 
The Sexy Sadie file can be quite an eye-opener when one is 
 ready to
   read it.
Many have said they found it liberating. That¹s the 
difference
   these old
stories can make. So bang away if you¹re so inclined. Some 
will
   believe you;
some will dismiss you; some will hit the delete key.
   
   
   The simple details are that I liked the guy and he seemed to 
like 
 me.
   But there was no way I'd trust him and, as I watched (him), I 
saw
   that his public facade was nothing like his private one where 
he 
 was
   totally demanding and uncompromising (I want what I want and 
you 
 will
   get it for me, give it to me, or you're outta here). Can you 
say
   narcissist? Little things add up and begin to confirm a 
picture. 
 I'll
   think about it and maybe one of these days I'll tell you some 
of 
 what
   the private life of a pseudo-guru/con-man/charletan is like.
   
   Because I don't like rounding, I was quite alert when, at the 
 height
   of the second Mallorca course, or second half of the first 
one, 
 the
   Fiuggi course and the La Antilla course, he literally preyed 
on 
 the
   mind-boggled rounders about getting money for 6-month courses 
from
   some auntie or grandparents and getting money to support them 
as
   108's and how he banged on about no one can love you like I 
 can. He
   could really insert himself and had the con-man's nose for the
   weakness of others.
  
  So is that the ³highly compromising activity² you alluded to? 
Please
  elaborate as time allows. FFL is all about having the whole 
story 
 told.
 
 
 No, that wasn't it, but in a couple weeks, after the conference 
I'm 
 going to, maybe I'll feel more like being detailed. People were 
 either reeled in hook, line, sinker, kitchen sink and bank roll or 
 they weren't. Mostly, from where I sit, it looks like some folks 
were 
 satisified subscribing to a knowitall guru, because then they 
didn't 
 have any more decisions to make and there were no further 
 responsibilities other than serving the master whatever that 
means. 
 
 I can understand the desire to know the nitty and the gritty of 
all 
 this, but it's just useless information to clutter the mind. 
Either 
 you think Mahesh is the way to salvation or you don't. 
 
 I don't.


Well, you don't have to and you can still do TM and get all the 
benefits of TM...actually I'll go one step further: TM will work 
better for you if you DON'T buy into the guru stuff because the guru 
stuff is 100% not necessary for TM to work, in fact it impedes the 
path.






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