Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Will it go rancid?

RB

On 28/07/2015 7:43 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes wrote:

Try mixing acetone with vegetable oil. Acetone has both polar (water soluble) 
and non-polar characteristics IIRC, but it's basically polar. Mineral oil is 
non-polar. Vegetable oil is polar or partly polar IIRC. Therefore, vegetable 
oil should more easily mix with vegetable oil than mineral oil.

Note about WD-40:
I have about a half gallon of liquid WD-40 left. In my experience it doesn't 
work as well as WD-40 in pressurized cans. This is why I use WD-40 or Blaster 
in pressure cans. Does the pressurizing agent let the WD-40 more easily 
penetrate corrosion?
  Liquid WD-40 is good for soaking small parts that can be immersed in it.
Gerry
.

My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they separate out. It
was difficult to keep them mixed together.
Is that common or was there some issue with my ingredients?

RB

You probably didn't use the politically correct form of transgender
oil.  Either that or the transgender who sold you the acetone thought
you said acid toning, and gave you some bad stuff.  Likely you
neglected to CHANGE DER FUSES!

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

 > > Fmiser wrote:

I guess I'll just need to build a barn to use it. *smiles*
Maybe just a little one - 50 x 90 ft [15 X 30 m].  Insulated,
of course.


Exactly!  Now that you have the hoist, you need to build the barn to 
use it in.  The unintended consequences are that you then get a shop 
and a place to store your fleet and maybe even parts cars in!  At 
least that is how you sell it to SWMBO  May as well go for 60 x 
100...


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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> archer75--- wrote:
> 
> Note about WD-40:
> In my experience [liquid] doesn't work as well as
> WD-40 in pressurized cans. 

> Does the pressurizing agent let the WD-40 more easily
> penetrate corrosion? 

It could, I guess.  The carrier is a light, volatile that I
suppose could wick into tight spaces.

I have never tested it.

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Try mixing acetone with vegetable oil. Acetone has both polar (water soluble) 
and non-polar characteristics IIRC, but it's basically polar. Mineral oil is 
non-polar. Vegetable oil is polar or partly polar IIRC. Therefore, vegetable 
oil should more easily mix with vegetable oil than mineral oil.  

Note about WD-40:
I have about a half gallon of liquid WD-40 left. In my experience it doesn't 
work as well as WD-40 in pressurized cans. This is why I use WD-40 or Blaster 
in pressure cans. Does the pressurizing agent let the WD-40 more easily 
penetrate corrosion?
 Liquid WD-40 is good for soaking small parts that can be immersed in it.
Gerry
.
> >My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they separate out. It 
> >was difficult to keep them mixed together.
> >Is that common or was there some issue with my ingredients?
> >
> >RB
> 
> You probably didn't use the politically correct form of transgender 
> oil.  Either that or the transgender who sold you the acetone thought 
> you said acid toning, and gave you some bad stuff.  Likely you 
> neglected to CHANGE DER FUSES!
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[MG via Mercedes]

Yeah, in that case the sand might not be the best thing to tumble 
it in. ;-)


Manfred



Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:18:27 -0500
From: fmiser  


The chain on this is a roller drive-type chain.  Think
bicycle or motorcycle - but _big_.  It is only slightly
rusty.  At one end of the chain I use ATF and some movement
and got the chain flexing well.  My objective is to get oil
into the joints so they will move - probably will require
some elbow grease.

I have disassembled, cleaned, and lubricated the drive unit
and the block.  Once the chain is flexing well it should be
fully operational.  I don't know what I'm going to do with
the monster then.

It's a Yale PC series roller chain lever hoist.  The roller
chain is not very flexible side-to-side, but super strong and
long lasting.  Though it's rated for 6000 lb [2700 kg], it
sure looks like it could lift triple that.

The pictures are crummy, but kinda mine looks kinda like this listing.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yale-3-4-ton-Pul-Lift-Lever-Hoist-PL46C-5-ft-chain-/371386811879




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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 17:23:21 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Heh.  I have a 1-ton link-chain hoist that operates with a
> chain loop rather than a lever.  Much more convenient than a
> level hoist if the hoist is way "up there".  And the 1-ton is
> smaller and lighter.
> 
> I guess I'll just need to build a barn to use it. *smiles*
> Maybe just a little one - 50 x 90 ft [15 X 30 m].  Insulated,
> of course.

And with a 6" slab and a hoist, of course.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Randy wrote:
> > >
> > > My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they
> > > separate out. It was difficult to keep them mixed
> > > together. Is that common or was there some issue with my
> > > ingredients?

> > Curly wrote:
> >
> > You probably didn't use the politically correct form of
> > transgender oil.

> Randy wrote:
> 
> I was soaking something (don't recall what) and had it
> sitting in a can full of the goop. Couldn't shake it and
> stirring did not keep the acetone mixed in for long.

> On a big job like the chain refered to earlier, one would
> maybe want a pail with a tight lid and some device to keep
> it shook up a bit.

I have it in a 5-gallon bucket with the lid on.  This lid has
a pour spout and I have a piece of tape over the pour vent
hole.  To agitate, I just shake and or rock the whole bucket.

Continuous agitation would probably be good.  Maybe some if I
annoy some trans genders with politically wrong comments
about the fluid I could get them agitated enough they could
agitate the bucket.

Or maybe not...

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Randy wrote:
> 
> My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they
> separate out. It was difficult to keep them mixed together.
> Is that common or was there some issue with my ingredients?

I don't know.  I'm agitating the bucket a couple times a day
to keep stuff mixed.  I have done very little with
transmission fluid and acetone.  I usually use Kroil - but I
didn't want to use a gallon to allow the chain to soak.  I
figured just transmission fluid would do what I needed and
put the acetone in just to help it out.  It's probably all
evaporated by now anyway - the closed bucket isn't _that_
air tight.

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 28/07/2015 4:40 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they separate out. It 
was difficult to keep them mixed together.

Is that common or was there some issue with my ingredients?

RB


You probably didn't use the politically correct form of transgender 
oil.  Either that or the transgender who sold you the acetone thought 
you said acid toning, and gave you some bad stuff.  Likely you 
neglected to CHANGE DER FUSES!


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I think I just needed it to be in a container with a lid so that I could 
shake it.
I was soaking something (don't recall what) and had it sitting in a can 
full of the goop.

Couldn't shake it and stirring did not keep the acetone mixed in for long.

On a big job like the chain refered to earlier, one would maybe want a 
pail with a tight lid and some device to keep it shook up a bit.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Fmiser wrote:
> >
> > Once the chain is flexing well it should be fully
> > operational.  I don't know what I'm going to do with the
> > monster then.

> Curly wrote:
> 
> You can use it to pull engines under a tree limb or under a
> truss in your "steel shed" or under an A frame you built.

Heh.  I have a 1-ton link-chain hoist that operates with a
chain loop rather than a lever.  Much more convenient than a
level hoist if the hoist is way "up there".  And the 1-ton is
smaller and lighter.

I guess I'll just need to build a barn to use it. *smiles*
Maybe just a little one - 50 x 90 ft [15 X 30 m].  Insulated,
of course.

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

PB Blaster I have found to be pretty good at getting rusty things 
losened then you can go at them with other stuff.


--R (who knows he suggested acetone/transgender fluid so I am not a looser)



On 7/28/15 5:18 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

fmiser wrote

I acquired a monster chain-type come-a-long and am
currently soaking the chain in a (covered) bucket of ATF
and acetone. We'll see...  It took most of a gallon of
used ATF to cover the chain.  I put a bit less than 2
cups of acetone.  Maybe not enough - but I'm cheap!

MG wrote:

If you can get the chain out of the come-along the best way
to clean it of rust is to put it into a small electric
cement mixer along with a couple of shovels of sand. Worked
for me a couple of times now. Soaking it in oil doesn't
really get any rust off.

The chain on this is a roller drive-type chain.  Think
bicycle or motorcycle - but _big_.  It is only slightly
rusty.  At one end of the chain I use ATF and some movement
and got the chain flexing well.  My objective is to get oil
into the joints so they will move - probably will require
some elbow grease.

I have disassembled, cleaned, and lubricated the drive unit
and the block.  Once the chain is flexing well it should be
fully operational.  I don't know what I'm going to do with
the monster then.

It's a Yale PC series roller chain lever hoist.  The roller
chain is not very flexible side-to-side, but super strong and
long lasting.  Though it's rated for 6000 lb [2700 kg], it
sure looks like it could lift triple that.

The pictures are crummy, but kinda mine looks kinda like this listing.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yale-3-4-ton-Pul-Lift-Lever-Hoist-PL46C-5-ft-chain-/371386811879

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they separate out. It 
was difficult to keep them mixed together.

Is that common or was there some issue with my ingredients?

RB


You probably didn't use the politically correct form of transgender 
oil.  Either that or the transgender who sold you the acetone thought 
you said acid toning, and gave you some bad stuff.  Likely you 
neglected to CHANGE DER FUSES!


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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

The chain on this is a roller drive-type chain.  Think
bicycle or motorcycle - but _big_.  It is only slightly
rusty.  At one end of the chain I use ATF and some movement
and got the chain flexing well.  My objective is to get oil
into the joints so they will move - probably will require
some elbow grease.

I have disassembled, cleaned, and lubricated the drive unit
and the block.  Once the chain is flexing well it should be
fully operational.  I don't know what I'm going to do with
the monster then.

It's a Yale PC series roller chain lever hoist.  The roller
chain is not very flexible side-to-side, but super strong and
long lasting.  Though it's rated for 6000 lb [2700 kg], it
sure looks like it could lift triple that.

The pictures are crummy, but kinda mine looks kinda like this listing.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yale-3-4-ton-Pul-Lift-Lever-Hoist-PL46C-5-ft-chain-/371386811879


You can use it to pull engines under a tree limb or under a truss in 
your "steel shed" or under an A frame you built.


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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I have one of those units and it works fairly well. It is a bit sticky 
on the reversing lever and requires a little finesse. Probably needs to 
be cleaned and lubed too. Don't use it much but it is there when we need it.

I think the last use was to remove a small block Chevy engien from a boat.
I also have a similar unit with normal chain links rather than the 
roller chain. That one is here at home and the roller chain unit is in 
the garage at the lake.
I inherited both as my father was always working on something and 
accumulated a lot of this sort of thing. I think there is also a chain 
block setup hanging in the garage and a big rope block and tackle setup 
as well.


My experience with the ATF and Acetone is that they separate out. It was 
difficult to keep them mixed together.

Is that common or was there some issue with my ingredients?

RB

On 28/07/2015 4:18 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

fmiser wrote

I acquired a monster chain-type come-a-long and am
currently soaking the chain in a (covered) bucket of ATF
and acetone. We'll see...  It took most of a gallon of
used ATF to cover the chain.  I put a bit less than 2
cups of acetone.  Maybe not enough - but I'm cheap!

MG wrote:

If you can get the chain out of the come-along the best way
to clean it of rust is to put it into a small electric
cement mixer along with a couple of shovels of sand. Worked
for me a couple of times now. Soaking it in oil doesn't
really get any rust off.

The chain on this is a roller drive-type chain.  Think
bicycle or motorcycle - but _big_.  It is only slightly
rusty.  At one end of the chain I use ATF and some movement
and got the chain flexing well.  My objective is to get oil
into the joints so they will move - probably will require
some elbow grease.

I have disassembled, cleaned, and lubricated the drive unit
and the block.  Once the chain is flexing well it should be
fully operational.  I don't know what I'm going to do with
the monster then.

It's a Yale PC series roller chain lever hoist.  The roller
chain is not very flexible side-to-side, but super strong and
long lasting.  Though it's rated for 6000 lb [2700 kg], it
sure looks like it could lift triple that.

The pictures are crummy, but kinda mine looks kinda like this listing.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yale-3-4-ton-Pul-Lift-Lever-Hoist-PL46C-5-ft-chain-/371386811879

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > fmiser wrote
> >
> > I acquired a monster chain-type come-a-long and am
> > currently soaking the chain in a (covered) bucket of ATF
> > and acetone. We'll see...  It took most of a gallon of
> > used ATF to cover the chain.  I put a bit less than 2
> > cups of acetone.  Maybe not enough - but I'm cheap!

> MG wrote:
> 
> If you can get the chain out of the come-along the best way
> to clean it of rust is to put it into a small electric
> cement mixer along with a couple of shovels of sand. Worked
> for me a couple of times now. Soaking it in oil doesn't
> really get any rust off.

The chain on this is a roller drive-type chain.  Think
bicycle or motorcycle - but _big_.  It is only slightly
rusty.  At one end of the chain I use ATF and some movement
and got the chain flexing well.  My objective is to get oil
into the joints so they will move - probably will require
some elbow grease.

I have disassembled, cleaned, and lubricated the drive unit
and the block.  Once the chain is flexing well it should be
fully operational.  I don't know what I'm going to do with
the monster then.

It's a Yale PC series roller chain lever hoist.  The roller
chain is not very flexible side-to-side, but super strong and
long lasting.  Though it's rated for 6000 lb [2700 kg], it
sure looks like it could lift triple that.

The pictures are crummy, but kinda mine looks kinda like this listing.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yale-3-4-ton-Pul-Lift-Lever-Hoist-PL46C-5-ft-chain-/371386811879

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil - was: '06 320CDI

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I forget, does washing soda and electricity cause hydrogen 
embrittlement?

Seems like I remember somebody telling me I ruined a rusty Estwing by
electrolysis.


It does, supposedly, but the effect is temporary.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil

[MG via Mercedes]

If you can get the chain out of the come-along the best way to 
clean it of rust is to put it into a small electric cement mixer 
along with a couple of shovels of sand. Worked for me a couple of 
times now. Soaking it in oil doesn't really get any rust off.


Manfred


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Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:05:57 -0500
From: fmiser 



I acquired a monster chain-type come-a-long and am currently
soaking the chain in a (covered) bucket of ATF and acetone.
We'll see...  It took most of a gallon of used ATF to cover
the chain.  I put a bit less than 2 cups of acetone.  Maybe
not enough - but I'm cheap!



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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil - was: '06 320CDI

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:05:57 -0500
fmiser via Mercedes  wrote:

> > > > Dan wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I removed the release handle and found that the cable
> > > > was disconnected. I reconnected it, only to now have a
> > > > release handle that sticks out of the dash 2"-3", and
> > > > still doesn't release the parking brake, which also
> > > > continues not to latch.
> 
> > > Mitch wrote:
> > > 
> > > It sounds to me like something is stuck, and it's ALWAYS
> > > releasing the parking brake. 
> 
> Kinda what I was thinking
> 
> > archer75--- wrote:
> > 
> > Nothing has been said about solvents such as Blaster or
> > WD-40. I squirt everything remotely connected to a system
> > with WD-40 first since  the smell goes away faster.
> 
> Too bad it doesn't work very well.
> 
> > If that doesn't work, I use stinking PB Blaster and repeat
> > the process. 

Been doing that ever since ..."Eveready" (circa 1940s-50s) was the favorite 
solvent which was far better than any of the stuff available nowadays. 
> 
> Have you tried Kroil/Arokroil?  Or automatic transmission
> fluid and acetone?

G: Tried both. I have a collection of nearly every similar solvent.
> 
> I acquired a monster chain-type come-a-long and am currently
> soaking the chain in a (covered) bucket of ATF and acetone.
> We'll see...  It took most of a gallon of used ATF to cover
> the chain.  I put a bit less than 2 cups of acetone.  Maybe
> not enough - but I'm cheap!

G: That will be interesting. 
If that doesn't work, you might try Rust-eater (or some similar name) at 
Autozone. You can see the dissolved rust coming out of the joints. 

Gerry 
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil - was: '06 320CDI

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 27, 2015 at 2:42 PM Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Is your chain rusty?  You could try the electrolysis method to get it 
> clean and shiny again

I forget, does washing soda and electricity cause hydrogen embrittlement?
Seems like I remember somebody telling me I ruined a rusty Estwing by
electrolysis. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil - was: '06 320CDI

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Is your chain rusty?  You could try the electrolysis method to get it 
clean and shiny again


--R



On 7/27/15 2:05 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
I acquired a monster chain-type come-a-long and am currently soaking 
the chain in a (covered) bucket of ATF and acetone. We'll see... It 
took most of a gallon of used ATF to cover the chain. I put a bit less 
than 2 cups of acetone. Maybe not enough - but I'm cheap! 
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating oil - was: '06 320CDI

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Dan wrote:
> > > 
> > > I removed the release handle and found that the cable
> > > was disconnected. I reconnected it, only to now have a
> > > release handle that sticks out of the dash 2"-3", and
> > > still doesn't release the parking brake, which also
> > > continues not to latch.

> > Mitch wrote:
> > 
> > It sounds to me like something is stuck, and it's ALWAYS
> > releasing the parking brake. 

Kinda what I was thinking

> archer75--- wrote:
> 
> Nothing has been said about solvents such as Blaster or
> WD-40. I squirt everything remotely connected to a system
> with WD-40 first since  the smell goes away faster.

Too bad it doesn't work very well.

> If that doesn't work, I use stinking PB Blaster and repeat
> the process. Been doing that ever since ...
> "Eveready" (circa 1940s-50s) was the favorite solvent which
> was far better than any of the stuff available nowadays. 

Have you tried Kroil/Arokroil?  Or automatic transmission
fluid and acetone?

I acquired a monster chain-type come-a-long and am currently
soaking the chain in a (covered) bucket of ATF and acetone.
We'll see...  It took most of a gallon of used ATF to cover
the chain.  I put a bit less than 2 cups of acetone.  Maybe
not enough - but I'm cheap!

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF

[Donald Snook]

Tom wrote: "Mercedes still does, in the G, M, GL, and R-Class.  MB sez "MB Power
Steering Fluid MB Part No. BQ 1 46 0001 or an approved Dexron III ATF"
The difference being that you pay more for the lack of red dye in the MB
stuff. The rest of the current lineup requires Pentosin CHF 11S, which fully
synthetic, expensive, and definitely not ATF."

My wife's ford also takes ATF in the power steering fluid AND BMW's have the 
same setup as BMW.  In a lot of them, it takes power steering fluid OR ATF, 
except when it has the hydraulic self leveling suspension, then it takes the 
Pentostin 11S.   My car takes the Pentosin stuff.  That stuff is VERY EXPENSIVE.

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF

[Thomas Savage]

Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I seem to remember at least one OEM using ATF in their PS system, darned if
i can remember which.


Mercedes still does, in the G, M, GL, and R-Class.  MB sez "MB Power 
Steering Fluid MB Part No. BQ 1 46 0001 or an approved Dexron III ATF" 
The difference being that you pay more for the lack of red dye in the MB 
stuff.


The rest of the current lineup requires Pentosin CHF 11S, which fully 
synthetic, expensive, and definitely not ATF.


Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF

[Allan Streib]

Mitch Haley  writes:

> Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>> I seem to remember at least one OEM using ATF in their PS system, darned if
>> i can remember which.
>
> MBZ back when my W116 was built.
> In fact, I think that applies to every Benz with a v-belt on the pump.

Volkswagen also, at least back in the 1980s-90s


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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF

[Mitch Haley]

Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I seem to remember at least one OEM using ATF in their PS system, darned if
i can remember which.



MBZ back when my W116 was built.
In fact, I think that applies to every Benz with a v-belt on the pump.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF

[Dieselhead]

The caution:  Acetone evaporates quickly.  You must keep your brew in 
a sealed container, or you will end up with just atf over time.



Here is the original test
AG

Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
seems convincing.

Here's some interesting
comparisons on penetrating oils.

Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular
penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from
a
"scientifically rusted" environment.

*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission
fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial
product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about
as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

Take care -
Larryt
74 911
91 300D

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:


 I just do an approx 50:50 mix.

 The acetone will evaporate off pretty quickly, so don't make more than you
 plan to use.  Unless you have an airtight (probably metal or something the
 acetone won't eat) container.

 Allan

 On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:24 -0800, "LWB250"  wrote:
 > I was talking to some of my jukebox restoration buddies about penetrating
 > oils, and they had never heard of the acetone and ATF brew.  I couldn't
 > recall what the proper ratio of ATF to acetone that was suggested - can
 > someone refresh my memory?
 >
 > Thanks,
 >
 > Dan
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF

[Walt Zarnoch]

I seem to remember at least one OEM using ATF in their PS system, darned if
i can remember which.

Must try this magic concoction on my truck, see if it can prevent more
broken off bolts... Even PB seems to not cut the mustard...

Is it thin enough to run through one of those Harbor Freight refillible
spray cans?

Walt

On Jan 15, 2010 8:23 PM, "LWB250"  wrote:

Actually it was power steering fluid, not ATF.  Personally, I can't imagine
there's a lot of difference between the two (ATF & PSF).

http://sterkel.org/papers/vintage/Testing_Penetrating_Oils.pdf


Dan


--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Anthony Galioto  wrote:

> From: Anthony Galioto 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:59 PM

> Here is the original test > AG > > Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't
know how > scientific ...
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF

[LWB250]

Actually it was power steering fluid, not ATF.  Personally, I can't imagine 
there's a lot of difference between the two (ATF & PSF).

http://sterkel.org/papers/vintage/Testing_Penetrating_Oils.pdf


Dan


--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Anthony Galioto  wrote:

> From: Anthony Galioto 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 7:59 PM
> Here is the original test
> AG
> 
> Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how
> scientific it is but it
> seems convincing.
> 
> Here's some interesting
> comparisons on penetrating oils.
> 
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates
> for break-out
> torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of
> all the popular
> penetrates with the control being the torque required to
> remove the nut from
> a
> "scientifically rusted" environment.
> 
> *Penetrating Oil and Average Load*
> 
> Nothing. 516 pounds
> 
> WD-40 238 pounds
> 
> PB Blaster 214 pounds
> 
> Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds
> 
> Kano Kroil 106 pounds
> 
> ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds
> 
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50
> automatic transmission
> fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any
> commercial
> product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid
> Wrench" is about
> as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
> 
> Take care -
> Larryt
> 74 911
> 91 300D
> 
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Allan Streib 
> wrote:
> 
> > I just do an approx 50:50 mix.
> >
> > The acetone will evaporate off pretty quickly, so
> don't make more than you
> > plan to use.  Unless you have an airtight
> (probably metal or something the
> > acetone won't eat) container.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:24 -0800, "LWB250" 
> wrote:
> > > I was talking to some of my jukebox restoration
> buddies about penetrating
> > > oils, and they had never heard of the acetone and
> ATF brew.  I couldn't
> > > recall what the proper ratio of ATF to acetone
> that was suggested - can
> > > someone refresh my memory?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF

[Anthony Galioto]

Here is the original test
AG

Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
seems convincing.

Here's some interesting
comparisons on penetrating oils.

Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular
penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from
a
"scientifically rusted" environment.

*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission
fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial
product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about
as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

Take care -
Larryt
74 911
91 300D

On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> I just do an approx 50:50 mix.
>
> The acetone will evaporate off pretty quickly, so don't make more than you
> plan to use.  Unless you have an airtight (probably metal or something the
> acetone won't eat) container.
>
> Allan
>
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:24 -0800, "LWB250"  wrote:
> > I was talking to some of my jukebox restoration buddies about penetrating
> > oils, and they had never heard of the acetone and ATF brew.  I couldn't
> > recall what the proper ratio of ATF to acetone that was suggested - can
> > someone refresh my memory?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF

[Allan Streib]

I just do an approx 50:50 mix.

The acetone will evaporate off pretty quickly, so don't make more than you plan 
to use.  Unless you have an airtight (probably metal or something the acetone 
won't eat) container.

Allan 

On Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:24 -0800, "LWB250"  wrote:
> I was talking to some of my jukebox restoration buddies about penetrating
> oils, and they had never heard of the acetone and ATF brew.  I couldn't
> recall what the proper ratio of ATF to acetone that was suggested - can
> someone refresh my memory?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Hmmm.  I like the idea of acetone/ATF.  Very redneck.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Rich Thomas  
wrote:

I think it was half/half.

--R

LWB250 wrote:
I was talking to some of my jukebox restoration buddies about penetrating oils, 
and they had never heard of the acetone and ATF brew.  I couldn't recall what 
the proper ratio of ATF to acetone that was suggested - can someone refresh my 
memory?

Thanks,

Dan



 

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF

[Rich Thomas]

I think it was half/half.

--R

LWB250 wrote:

I was talking to some of my jukebox restoration buddies about penetrating oils, 
and they had never heard of the acetone and ATF brew.  I couldn't recall what 
the proper ratio of ATF to acetone that was suggested - can someone refresh my 
memory?

Thanks,

Dan



  



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[MBZ] Penetrating Oil - Acetone & ATF

[LWB250]

I was talking to some of my jukebox restoration buddies about penetrating oils, 
and they had never heard of the acetone and ATF brew.  I couldn't recall what 
the proper ratio of ATF to acetone that was suggested - can someone refresh my 
memory?

Thanks,

Dan



  


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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test-now Servo Repair

[Peter Frederick]

Alum should remove the screw, or at least corrode it enough to get it  
loose.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

[LarryT]

I got the info from another list (MGB)  - you saw all I saw.  I also wish 
there were some ASTM testing stadards for something like this but I don't 
recall any.  That doesn't mean much though - I was interested in valves and 
piping and other stuff used in nuclear submarines.  Rust wasn't normally a 
problem -


Wish I knew more  -
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91 300D


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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:57 PM
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test


That quotes the same article I sent to the list a year ago or so ---

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM, LarryT  wrote:


Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
seems convincing.

Here's some interesting
comparisons on penetrating oils.

Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular
penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut
from a
"scientifically rusted" environment.

*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission
fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial
product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
about as
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

Take care -
Larryt
74 911
91 300D


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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test-now Servo Repair

[Greg Fiorentino]

I am in the process of rebuilding the climate control servo for the wife's
'79 300TD.  I have 2 servos from which I hope to make one good one.  The
"good" upper unit, which houses the gear train has a machine screw sheared
off at the surface of the plastic housing.  Who knew that about 1/4" of
screw threads in the plastic would hold well enough to shear an 8X32 screw
(even AFTER soaking with PB Blaster!)?  Drilling it out did not seem like a
good option because of the softness of the surrounding plastic, nor is the
blue wrench usable.

Battery acid didn't do much.  My next try is a saturated solution of alum
with an overnight soak.  I have read reports that this will dissolve steel,
and I know it won't hurt the plastic.

If anyone has an interest, I'll report how it turns out!

Greg Fiorentino
'85 300SD
'80 240D 4 spd. manual
'79 300TD (with new crate engine)
'95 and '97 Crown Vics
'97 F-250HD Crew Cab 7.3 Powerstroke

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:41 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 911/993/996
Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
seems convincing.

Here's some interesting 
comparisons on penetrating oils.

Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out 
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular 
penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from
a 
"scientifically rusted" environment.

*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission 
fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial 
product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about
as 
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

Take care - 
Larryt
74 911
91 300D

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[MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

[glenn brown]

Since this was supposedly a "scientifically rusted" environment test, it would 
be nice to know what the standard deviation is/was in this testing as I'm 
having a hard time believing that something as useless as Liquid Wrench 
performed as well as it did.

 

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

[tyler]

Do you have any more info on this? It's REALLY interesting, but I'm 
surprised PB Blaster doesn't do much more than WD-40- so I want to know 
what their methods are. I love that the cheapest thing on the list 
actually works the best by far!


My experience is that PB Blaster works really well, but needs a very 
long period of soaking (overnight, or even a week) to work properly. 
When I take an exhaust manifold off, I'll usually soak it everyday with 
PB for a week before the job, and the bolts will feel nearly hand tight 
at the end- when I'm certain the studs would have just broken off 
without the PB Blaster.


Tyler

LarryT wrote:

Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it seems 
convincing.

Here's some interesting 
comparisons on penetrating oils.


Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out 
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular 
penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a 
"scientifically rusted" environment.


*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission 
fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial 
product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as 
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.


Take care - 
Larryt

74 911
91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

[OK Don]

That quotes the same article I sent to the list a year ago or so ---

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:40 PM, LarryT  wrote:

> Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
> seems convincing.
>
> Here's some interesting
> comparisons on penetrating oils.
>
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out
> torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular
> penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut
> from a
> "scientifically rusted" environment.
>
> *Penetrating Oil and Average Load*
>
> Nothing. 516 pounds
>
> WD-40... 238 pounds
>
> PB Blaster 214 pounds
>
> Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds
>
> Kano Kroil... 106 pounds
>
> ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds
>
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission
> fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial
> product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
>
> Take care -
> Larryt
> 74 911
> 91 300D
>
>
> --
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> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with
> others.
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

When I was learning to wrench on rusty air-cooled VW's in Wisconsin,
Liquid WRENCH didn't seem to work very well (but the blue wrench was a
lifesaver).  The other trick that worked if you had the clearance was to
deeply grove one face of the rusted nut with a cold chisel, grove
aligned with stud axis.  This was a great way to expand the nut a little
and break the rust bond. Thusly one could avoid twisting off the studs
holding the muffler to the heads.

Max

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Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:54 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

Thanks Larry,
Good to know-I grew up on liquid wrench.
Dwight 

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852
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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:41 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 911/993/996
Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
seems convincing.

Here's some interesting
comparisons on penetrating oils.

Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the
popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove
the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.

*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic
transmission fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any
commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid
Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

Take care -
Larryt
74 911
91 300D

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accept V/MC/AE/Dis?  We have the
best rates & 0% Interest Business loans.
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

[Allan Streib]

No you can buy acetone at any paint store or most hardware stores.

Allan

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:49 -0400, "Dillon, Meade M CIV 
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310"  wrote:
> Did you use fingernail polish remover for the acetone source, or
> something else?
> 
> Max 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib
> Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:43 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test
> 
> I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the
> lines.  Had no trouble with them at all.
> 
> Allan
> --
> 1983 300D
> 
> 
> On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, "LarryT"  wrote:
> > Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but 
> > it seems convincing.
> > 
> > Here's some interesting
> > comparisons on penetrating oils.
> > 
> > Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out
> 
> > torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the 
> > popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to 
> > remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
> > 
> > *Penetrating Oil and Average Load*
> > 
> > Nothing. 516 pounds
> > 
> > WD-40... 238 pounds
> > 
> > PB Blaster 214 pounds
> > 
> > Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds
> > 
> > Kano Kroil... 106 pounds
> > 
> > ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds
> > 
> > The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic 
> > transmission fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than 
> > any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that 
> > "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the 
> > price.
> > 
> > Take care -
> > Larryt
> > 74 911
> > 91 300D
> > 
> > Does your business accept or need to
> > accept V/MC/AE/Dis?  We have the
> > best rates & 0% Interest Business loans.
> > Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Thanks Larry,
Good to know-I grew up on liquid wrench.
Dwight 

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852
-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:41 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com; 911/993/996
Subject: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
seems convincing.

Here's some interesting 
comparisons on penetrating oils.

Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out 
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular 
penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from
a 
"scientifically rusted" environment.

*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission 
fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial 
product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about
as 
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

Take care - 
Larryt
74 911
91 300D

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accept V/MC/AE/Dis?  We have the 
best rates & 0% Interest Business loans.
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Did you use fingernail polish remover for the acetone source, or
something else?

Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the
lines.  Had no trouble with them at all.

Allan
--
1983 300D


On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, "LarryT"  wrote:
> Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but 
> it seems convincing.
> 
> Here's some interesting
> comparisons on penetrating oils.
> 
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out

> torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the 
> popular penetrates with the control being the torque required to 
> remove the nut from a "scientifically rusted" environment.
> 
> *Penetrating Oil and Average Load*
> 
> Nothing. 516 pounds
> 
> WD-40... 238 pounds
> 
> PB Blaster 214 pounds
> 
> Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds
> 
> Kano Kroil... 106 pounds
> 
> ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds
> 
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic 
> transmission fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than 
> any commercial product in this one particular test. Note also that 
> "Liquid Wrench" is about as good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the 
> price.
> 
> Take care -
> Larryt
> 74 911
> 91 300D
> 
> Does your business accept or need to
> accept V/MC/AE/Dis?  We have the
> best rates & 0% Interest Business loans.
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Re: [MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

[Allan Streib]

I used the ATF/Acetone on my oil line fittings before I changed the lines.  Had 
no trouble with them at all.

Allan
--
1983 300D


On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:40 -0400, "LarryT"  wrote:
> Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it
> seems convincing.
> 
> Here's some interesting 
> comparisons on penetrating oils.
> 
> Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out 
> torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular 
> penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut
> from a 
> "scientifically rusted" environment.
> 
> *Penetrating Oil and Average Load*
> 
> Nothing. 516 pounds
> 
> WD-40... 238 pounds
> 
> PB Blaster 214 pounds
> 
> Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds
> 
> Kano Kroil... 106 pounds
> 
> ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds
> 
> The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission 
> fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial 
> product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is
> about as 
> good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.
> 
> Take care - 
> Larryt
> 74 911
> 91 300D
> 
> Does your business accept or need to
> accept V/MC/AE/Dis?  We have the 
> best rates & 0% Interest Business loans.
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[MBZ] Penetrating Oil Test

[LarryT]

Found this on a MGB list I'm on.  Don't know how scientific it is but it seems 
convincing.

Here's some interesting 
comparisons on penetrating oils.

Machinist's Workshop magazine actually tested penetrates for break-out 
torque on rusted nuts. They arranged a subjective test of all the popular 
penetrates with the control being the torque required to remove the nut from a 
"scientifically rusted" environment.

*Penetrating Oil and Average Load*

Nothing. 516 pounds

WD-40... 238 pounds

PB Blaster 214 pounds

Liquid Wrench. 127 pounds

Kano Kroil... 106 pounds

ATF-Acetone mix. 53 pounds

The ATF-Acetone mix was a "home brew" mix of 50-50 automatic transmission 
fluid and acetone. Note the "home brew" was better than any commercial 
product in this one particular test. Note also that "Liquid Wrench" is about as 
good as "Kroil" for about 20% of the price.

Take care - 
Larryt
74 911
91 300D

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