Re: [MBZ] motor mounts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Send an email to Tom Hanson at the Classic Center.  He will sort it out for
you.  Just ask for the correct part number.   thomas.han...@mbusa.com



On Sun, Oct 24, 2021 at 8:59 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> More motor mount questions:
>
> Does anyone know if the motor mounts for a 115 and a 123 are the same?
>
> My issue is that my car is a 1976 115 300D. Mercedes started making the
> 123 in late 1976 so both models were available that year.
>
> Do I need to find ones expressly for the 115? That is proving more
> difficult to do. I have tried searching for 1975 instead of 1976 but
> there does not seem to be much offered.
>
> Neither FCP Euro nor Autohaus AZ lists motor mounts for the 115.
>
> MBZ has Uro.
>
> Rockauto has different ones for 1975 than 1976. The ones listed for 1975
> are sort of no-name things I have never heard of so likely Chinese or?
> They have Anchor and Pioneer brands listed for the 1975 300D.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] motor mounts

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

More motor mount questions:

Does anyone know if the motor mounts for a 115 and a 123 are the same?

My issue is that my car is a 1976 115 300D. Mercedes started making the 
123 in late 1976 so both models were available that year.


Do I need to find ones expressly for the 115? That is proving more 
difficult to do. I have tried searching for 1975 instead of 1976 but 
there does not seem to be much offered.


Neither FCP Euro nor Autohaus AZ lists motor mounts for the 115.

MBZ has Uro.

Rockauto has different ones for 1975 than 1976. The ones listed for 1975 
are sort of no-name things I have never heard of so likely Chinese or? 
They have Anchor and Pioneer brands listed for the 1975 300D.


Thoughts?

Randy



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Re: [MBZ] motor mounts

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On 2021-10-24 00:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

They are just a re boxer of parts. No telling what you will get.


The funny part is, RockAuto has a Made in America flag on the 
Beck-Arnley transmission mount but not the motor mounts.


My surprise purchase from an old respected USA nameplate:
Remy alternator, about half the cost of Bosch. The pictures that Remy 
supplied to Rock included one where you could see the regulator, which 
said "Bosch Made in England" on it.

Awesome, I think I'll buy it.
And now my ML has a Remy Made in China alternator in it.
3 years later it's working fine, and I guess I can't complain, but the 
one I took out was not Bosch or Valeo, and had crumbling wires to the 
windings in it. I hope my Remy isn't the same quality as the prior 
replacement alternator.


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Re: [MBZ] motor mounts

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

They are just a re boxer of parts. No telling what you will get. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2021, at 10:43 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Beck-Arnley used to be decent foreign car parts, don't know if they still 
> are. So many old brands have been sold and now the names are attached to 
> generic chinese garbage.
> 
> Allan
> 
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 11:18 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
>> I think that brand is decent, might even be oem 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On Oct 23, 2021, at 10:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=474986=1193666=5552=1351
>>> 
>>> Are these likely to be as good as I will get anywhere else?
>>> 
>>> Opinions?
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Re: [MBZ] motor mounts

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Beck-Arnley used to be decent foreign car parts, don't know if they still are. 
So many old brands have been sold and now the names are attached to generic 
chinese garbage.

Allan

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021, at 11:18 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> I think that brand is decent, might even be oem 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
> > On Oct 23, 2021, at 10:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=474986=1193666=5552=1351
> > 
> > Are these likely to be as good as I will get anywhere else?
> > 
> > Opinions?
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Re: [MBZ] motor mounts

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I think that brand is decent, might even be oem 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On Oct 23, 2021, at 10:36 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=474986=1193666=5552=1351
> 
> Are these likely to be as good as I will get anywhere else?
> 
> Opinions?
> 
> Randy
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[MBZ] motor mounts

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=474986=1193666=5552=1351

Are these likely to be as good as I will get anywhere else?

Opinions?

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I'm done with aftermarket, I'll only go dealer.  I've not had very long
life with aftermarket.  The last set of Lemforder from Rusty only lasted 3
or 5 years I think.

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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

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Always safe with Lemförder.

-D

> On Jul 7, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> What's the latest word on motor mounts? Need some for a 210. Importec has 
> lemforder listed as oem, and has rein and corteco
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[MBZ] Motor mounts

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

What's the latest word on motor mounts? Need some for a 210. Importec has 
lemforder listed as oem, and has rein and corteco

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

I installed new OEM on my 300D last year.  They are indeed crap.  I also bought 
a set of OEM for my 250S.  They are crap as well.

Lesson learned!

Buy OE.  They are worth it.

Jon


On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
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 A friend is looking for motor and tranny mounts for his 78 240D. I'm hearing 
 lately that the OEM are crap and that one should buy OE. Is there a 
 particular OEM brand that is acceptable for this kind of part or must he bite 
 the OE Mercedes bullet?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

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Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:

I installed new OEM on my 300D last year.  They are indeed crap.  I also bought 
a set of OEM for my 250S.  They are crap as well.


Do you remember which OEM?
Apparently URO is now OEM for some rubber parts.

Did Dr Fatty unsub from all the lists, or just Banned?
He usually had a good idea of which parts were good.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

As a follow up,

I have found Tom Hanson at the Classic Center very responsive and the prices 
better than what I can get at the local stealer.

Jon

PS:  Some cities have dealers that will actually give you a great discount for 
walking in, but not here in Maine.


On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:

 I installed new OEM on my 300D last year.  They are indeed crap.  I also 
 bought a set of OEM for my 250S.  They are crap as well.
 
 Lesson learned!
 
 Buy OE.  They are worth it.
 
 Jon
 
 
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 A friend is looking for motor and tranny mounts for his 78 240D. I'm hearing 
 lately that the OEM are crap and that one should buy OE. Is there a 
 particular OEM brand that is acceptable for this kind of part or must he 
 bite the OE Mercedes bullet?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

[Jon Agne via Mercedes]

Sorry, I do not remember.  I had purchased them Rusty the year before.  He said 
they were good (not Chinese), but they were not.

On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
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 Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
 I installed new OEM on my 300D last year.  They are indeed crap.  I also 
 bought a set of OEM for my 250S.  They are crap as well.
 
 Do you remember which OEM?
 Apparently URO is now OEM for some rubber parts.
 
 Did Dr Fatty unsub from all the lists, or just Banned?
 He usually had a good idea of which parts were good.
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

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Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:


PS:  Some cities have dealers that will actually give you a great discount for 
walking in, but not here in Maine.


Yeah, I'm always envious of Penoff and his relationship with the Tampa dealer.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

X2 for Tom Hanson.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Oct 15, 2014 8:19 AM, Jon Agne via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 As a follow up,

 I have found Tom Hanson at the Classic Center very responsive and the
prices better than what I can get at the local stealer.


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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I had a similar experience with Rusty on the mounts for my S500. They were 
supposed to be Lemforders but ended up being something from China, which I 
figured out after the fact.  Less than two years and they're ready to be 
replaced.

That's what I get for not buying OE parts.

Dan

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 Sorry, I do not remember.  I had purchased them Rusty the year before.  He 
 said they were good (not Chinese), but they were not.
 
 On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
 I installed new OEM on my 300D last year.  They are indeed crap.  I also 
 bought a set of OEM for my 250S.  They are crap as well.
 
 Do you remember which OEM?
 Apparently URO is now OEM for some rubber parts.
 
 Did Dr Fatty unsub from all the lists, or just Banned?
 He usually had a good idea of which parts were good.
 
 Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

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You just have to ask.  That's all I've done, and both of us have benefitted 
from the arrangement.

My dealer charges consumer list to anyone who walks in off the street. That's 
the high list that you get gouged on.  There is a lower list, which is the 
price you'll see online with places like MB of Atlanta.  I think it's either 
10% or 15% off consumer list.

Then there is the jobber discount, which is what they give local shops.  Also 
known as a trade discount. That's what I get, and it is 25% off consumer list.  
All I did was tell them I wanted to spend several thousand dollars annually 
with them, and they gave it to me.  And I do spend that kind of money, maybe 
not every year, but I'm regular enough that they consider me a regular customer.

Dan

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 wrote:
 
 Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
 
 PS:  Some cities have dealers that will actually give you a great discount 
 for walking in, but not here in Maine.
 
 Yeah, I'm always envious of Penoff and his relationship with the Tampa dealer.
 
 Mitch.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

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How does it feel to be taking fuel from the dealer owner's yacht?

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
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You just have to ask.  That's all I've done, and both of us have benefitted 
from the arrangement.

My dealer charges consumer list to anyone who walks in off the street. That's 
the high list that you get gouged on.  There is a lower list, which is the 
price you'll see online with places like MB of Atlanta.  I think it's either 
10% or 15% off consumer list.

Then there is the jobber discount, which is what they give local shops.  Also 
known as a trade discount. That's what I get, and it is 25% off consumer list.  
All I did was tell them I wanted to spend several thousand dollars annually 
with them, and they gave it to me.  And I do spend that kind of money, maybe 
not every year, but I'm regular enough that they consider me a regular customer.

Dan

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 wrote:
 
 Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote:
 
 PS:  Some cities have dealers that will actually give you a great discount 
 for walking in, but not here in Maine.
 
 Yeah, I'm always envious of Penoff and his relationship with the Tampa dealer.
 
 Mitch.
 
 
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[MBZ] Motor mounts

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

A friend is looking for motor and tranny mounts for his 78 240D. I'm hearing 
lately that the OEM are crap and that one should buy OE. Is there a particular 
OEM brand that is acceptable for this kind of part or must he bite the OE 
Mercedes bullet?

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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I show them available form the dealer for around $200 for the set of engine 
(motor) mounts:

Left - 123 241 50 13  $82
Right - 123 241 4113  $127

Transmission mount: 

There are a number of variants of this part.  The OE parts are super expensive 
for some reason, like over $200.  I would look for a good brand on the 
secondary market, such as Lemforder.  No guarantees, but better than a URO.

Whenever possible, ALWAYS go for OE rubber, suspension or brake parts.  These 
are parts you may never replace again, so why be cheap and risk getting a 
crappy part that will fail?

Dan

On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
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 A friend is looking for motor and tranny mounts for his 78 240D. I'm hearing 
 lately that the OEM are crap and that one should buy OE. Is there a 
 particular OEM brand that is acceptable for this kind of part or must he bite 
 the OE Mercedes bullet?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Looks like Meyle makes the transmission mounts for far less than OE prices, but 
I would still try to find something better.  To give you an idea of the crap 
that's out there, the URO version can be had for around $10.  Meyle takes you 
up in the low $20 range, as does Febi/Bilstein.

What does that tell you?  And how could they possibly make a quality part like 
this for $10 and make a profit on it?

While he's at it, has he checked the differential mount?  Probably not.  That's 
an often overlooked piece of drivetrain support.

Dan

  
On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 I show them available form the dealer for around $200 for the set of engine 
 (motor) mounts:
 
 Left - 123 241 50 13  $82
 Right - 123 241 4113  $127
 
 Transmission mount: 
 
 There are a number of variants of this part.  The OE parts are super 
 expensive for some reason, like over $200.  I would look for a good brand on 
 the secondary market, such as Lemforder.  No guarantees, but better than a 
 URO.
 
 Whenever possible, ALWAYS go for OE rubber, suspension or brake parts.  These 
 are parts you may never replace again, so why be cheap and risk getting a 
 crappy part that will fail?
 
 Dan
 
 On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 
 A friend is looking for motor and tranny mounts for his 78 240D. I'm hearing 
 lately that the OEM are crap and that one should buy OE. Is there a 
 particular OEM brand that is acceptable for this kind of part or must he 
 bite the OE Mercedes bullet?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Randy Bennell]

Your wonky clock keeps you in the bottom spot on the list of emails.
Is that deliberate?

Randy

On 16/08/2013 5:11 PM, Larry T wrote:
yep, shakes start  at idle for that matter.  I've been adjusting the 
throttle cable to make it start easier and shake less, then once 
moving I adjust it all the way down...


LarryT

On 8/15/2013 5:10 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Car shake on start?

--L


On 8/15/13 4:29 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
23 mounts are solid rubber.  They either get real hard (shake shake) 
or get

soft and compress (shake shake).



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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Larry T]

I see my devious plan is working - which I will share as soon as I 
figure it out... hmmm.. is being at the bottom preferred?  Perhaps I 
think...


for my next trick, perhaps shape shifting?  ;-)   Maybe I'll shift to a 
nice 300SEL 6.3?  Vroom-vroom...


Buhhahahaha... ha...

LarryT

On 8/16/2013 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:


Your wonky clock keeps you in the bottom spot on the list of emails.
Is that deliberate?

Randy

On 16/08/2013 5:11 PM, Larry T wrote:
yep, shakes start  at idle for that matter.  I've been adjusting the 
throttle cable to make it start easier and shake less, then once 
moving I adjust it all the way down...


LarryT

On 8/15/2013 5:10 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Car shake on start?

--L


On 8/15/13 4:29 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
23 mounts are solid rubber.  They either get real hard (shake 
shake) or get

soft and compress (shake shake).



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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Larry T]

Thanks - I know how to recognie when W124 MMs go bad but how about W123 
MM?  do they squish and get thinner?  Something else?


Larry

On 8/14/2013 8:03 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

lemforder doesn't make motor mounts.  you may get OEM mounts in a lemforder
box, but they weren't made by lemforder.

phoenix makes motor mounts.  btw, they also make (or at least used to) the
suspension air bags on 109 cars


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:


and unfortunately the price is not a good indicator of quality. I think
the w124 MMs were Lemforder but that's from memory - I believe they were
around $65 ea.

Thanks Gary for all your insight on these parts -

Larry


On 8/6/2013 5:27 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


if you know the brand, that would be the first thing.  in you case here,
really phoenix would have come in a lemforder, corteco, rein/crp, phoenix
or mercedes box.  anything else will likely be anywhere from really dismal
chinese to sort of ok chinese.  you'll know soon enough, i guess, albeit
perhaps the hard way


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

  that's not a bad idea!  Don't know if it;s the sae with the W123 240s as

it was with my W124 300D but when I replaced the MMs on the W124 the
change
to many things about the engine improved - it was much quieter, the idle
speed was better and the shaking and jerking at idle and  low speeds
disappeared.   I was really surprised at the difference..   Bought the
replacements from Rusty and hope they are quality - better keep an eye on
them in case thy are Chinese 



LarryT
78 240D
91 300D

On 8/5/2013 10:23 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

  seems i can get other ones as well.  i probably should just buy them all

and be king of the 240D moutns


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:

   this is more and more the case every day. i have found some lemforders


though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are often
genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net


wrote:


   Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way too
much


for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year

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On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
wrote:

   On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
wrote:


   -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.

Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.

Keenan has OEM for $118.22

Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can
get

  Rein, Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the

ticket.

  Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Mitch Haley]

Larry T wrote:
Thanks - I know how to recognie when W124 MMs go bad but how about W123 
MM?  do they squish and get thinner?  Something else?


Yes, I think the engine mount arm is supposed to sit about 3/4 above the metal 
frame of the motor mount.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Scott Ritchey]

123 mounts are solid rubber.  They either get real hard (shake shake) or get
soft and compress (shake shake).  The original ones on my TD compressed to
the point some hoses/pipes rubbed on the fender (or maybe the shock tower)
until they leaked.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

Thanks - I know how to recognie when W124 MMs go bad but how about W123 
MM?  do they squish and get thinner?  Something else?

Larry

On 8/14/2013 8:03 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
 lemforder doesn't make motor mounts.  you may get OEM mounts in a
lemforder
 box, but they weren't made by lemforder.

 phoenix makes motor mounts.  btw, they also make (or at least used to) the
 suspension air bags on 109 cars


 On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 and unfortunately the price is not a good indicator of quality. I think
 the w124 MMs were Lemforder but that's from memory - I believe they were
 around $65 ea.

 Thanks Gary for all your insight on these parts -

 Larry


 On 8/6/2013 5:27 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 if you know the brand, that would be the first thing.  in you case here,
 really phoenix would have come in a lemforder, corteco, rein/crp,
phoenix
 or mercedes box.  anything else will likely be anywhere from really
dismal
 chinese to sort of ok chinese.  you'll know soon enough, i guess, albeit
 perhaps the hard way


 On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

   that's not a bad idea!  Don't know if it;s the sae with the W123 240s
as
 it was with my W124 300D but when I replaced the MMs on the W124 the
 change
 to many things about the engine improved - it was much quieter, the
idle
 speed was better and the shaking and jerking at idle and  low speeds
 disappeared.   I was really surprised at the difference..   Bought the
 replacements from Rusty and hope they are quality - better keep an eye
on
 them in case thy are Chinese 



 LarryT
 78 240D
 91 300D

 On 8/5/2013 10:23 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

   seems i can get other ones as well.  i probably should just buy them
all
 and be king of the 240D moutns


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

this is more and more the case every day. i have found some
lemforders

 though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are often
 genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net

 wrote:

Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way too
 much

 for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
 wrote:

-- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
 Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.

 Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.

 Keenan has OEM for $118.22

 Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can
 get

   Rein, Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the
 ticket.

   Rick
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[Rich Thomas]

Car shake on start?

--L


On 8/15/13 4:29 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

23 mounts are solid rubber.  They either get real hard (shake shake) or get
soft and compress (shake shake).



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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Larry T]

yep, shakes start  at idle for that matter.  I've been adjusting the 
throttle cable to make it start easier and shake less, then once moving 
I adjust it all the way down...


LarryT

On 8/15/2013 5:10 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

Car shake on start?

--L


On 8/15/13 4:29 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:
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or get

soft and compress (shake shake).



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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Mountain Man]

Larry wrote:
 yep, shakes start  at idle for that matter.

Ah...  Now we know who Ludmila Grobtkin is - it is Larry.  When was
the last time Ludmila showed at Banned?  Car shake at idle.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

i recall being accused of being ludmilla.  also of the lindbergh baby.  i
do get around!

i remember once when a mount broke on my 220D.  whole lotta shaking goin on!



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 Larry wrote:
  yep, shakes start  at idle for that matter.

 Ah...  Now we know who Ludmila Grobtkin is - it is Larry.  When was
 the last time Ludmila showed at Banned?  Car shake at idle.
 mao

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Peter Frederick]

I put new subframe mounts in my 220D, then discovered that the engine  
mounts were shot when the AC compressor started pounding on the inner  
fender!  Quite a surprise, that


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

it's quite amazing to watch and hear that thing move with a busted mount.
 after that, i just started doing mounts every 2 or 3 years on the old
diesels

btw, that 220D was maybe my favorite car i ever owned.  it was also the
lowest HP car i've ever owned, leading me to conclude the power is vastly
overrated


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 I put new subframe mounts in my 220D, then discovered that the engine
 mounts were shot when the AC compressor started pounding on the inner
 fender!  Quite a surprise, that

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Larry T]

and unfortunately the price is not a good indicator of quality. I think 
the w124 MMs were Lemforder but that's from memory - I believe they were 
around $65 ea.


Thanks Gary for all your insight on these parts -

Larry

On 8/6/2013 5:27 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

if you know the brand, that would be the first thing.  in you case here,
really phoenix would have come in a lemforder, corteco, rein/crp, phoenix
or mercedes box.  anything else will likely be anywhere from really dismal
chinese to sort of ok chinese.  you'll know soon enough, i guess, albeit
perhaps the hard way


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:


that's not a bad idea!  Don't know if it;s the sae with the W123 240s as
it was with my W124 300D but when I replaced the MMs on the W124 the change
to many things about the engine improved - it was much quieter, the idle
speed was better and the shaking and jerking at idle and  low speeds
disappeared.   I was really surprised at the difference..   Bought the
replacements from Rusty and hope they are quality - better keep an eye on
them in case thy are Chinese 



LarryT
78 240D
91 300D

On 8/5/2013 10:23 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:


seems i can get other ones as well.  i probably should just buy them all
and be king of the 240D moutns


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:

  this is more and more the case every day. i have found some lemforders

though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are often
genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net

wrote:

  Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way too much

for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

  On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

  -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.

Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.

Keenan has OEM for $118.22

Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can get


Rein, Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the ticket.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

lemforder doesn't make motor mounts.  you may get OEM mounts in a lemforder
box, but they weren't made by lemforder.

phoenix makes motor mounts.  btw, they also make (or at least used to) the
suspension air bags on 109 cars


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 and unfortunately the price is not a good indicator of quality. I think
 the w124 MMs were Lemforder but that's from memory - I believe they were
 around $65 ea.

 Thanks Gary for all your insight on these parts -

 Larry


 On 8/6/2013 5:27 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 if you know the brand, that would be the first thing.  in you case here,
 really phoenix would have come in a lemforder, corteco, rein/crp, phoenix
 or mercedes box.  anything else will likely be anywhere from really dismal
 chinese to sort of ok chinese.  you'll know soon enough, i guess, albeit
 perhaps the hard way


 On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

  that's not a bad idea!  Don't know if it;s the sae with the W123 240s as
 it was with my W124 300D but when I replaced the MMs on the W124 the
 change
 to many things about the engine improved - it was much quieter, the idle
 speed was better and the shaking and jerking at idle and  low speeds
 disappeared.   I was really surprised at the difference..   Bought the
 replacements from Rusty and hope they are quality - better keep an eye on
 them in case thy are Chinese 



 LarryT
 78 240D
 91 300D

 On 8/5/2013 10:23 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

  seems i can get other ones as well.  i probably should just buy them all
 and be king of the 240D moutns


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

   this is more and more the case every day. i have found some lemforders

 though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are often
 genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net

 wrote:

   Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way too
 much

 for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

   On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
 wrote:

   -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
 Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.

 Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.

 Keenan has OEM for $118.22

 Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can
 get

  Rein, Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the
 ticket.

  Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Jaime Kopchinski]

They still do... the set of bags I bought for my W109 were made by phoenix.

http://www.jaimekop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/DSC_8446.jpg

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On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 lemforder doesn't make motor mounts.  you may get OEM mounts in a lemforder
 box, but they weren't made by lemforder.

 phoenix makes motor mounts.  btw, they also make (or at least used to) the
 suspension air bags on 109 cars


 On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

  and unfortunately the price is not a good indicator of quality. I think
  the w124 MMs were Lemforder but that's from memory - I believe they were
  around $65 ea.
 
  Thanks Gary for all your insight on these parts -
 
  Larry
 
 
  On 8/6/2013 5:27 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
 
  if you know the brand, that would be the first thing.  in you case here,
  really phoenix would have come in a lemforder, corteco, rein/crp,
 phoenix
  or mercedes box.  anything else will likely be anywhere from really
 dismal
  chinese to sort of ok chinese.  you'll know soon enough, i guess, albeit
  perhaps the hard way
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
 
   that's not a bad idea!  Don't know if it;s the sae with the W123 240s
 as
  it was with my W124 300D but when I replaced the MMs on the W124 the
  change
  to many things about the engine improved - it was much quieter, the
 idle
  speed was better and the shaking and jerking at idle and  low speeds
  disappeared.   I was really surprised at the difference..   Bought the
  replacements from Rusty and hope they are quality - better keep an eye
 on
  them in case thy are Chinese 
 
 
 
  LarryT
  78 240D
  91 300D
 
  On 8/5/2013 10:23 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
 
   seems i can get other ones as well.  i probably should just buy them
 all
  and be king of the 240D moutns
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
this is more and more the case every day. i have found some
 lemforders
 
  though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are often
  genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
 ka...@striplin.net
 
  wrote:
 
Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way too
  much
 
  for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
 
On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
  wrote:
 
-- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
  Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.
 
  Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.
 
  Keenan has OEM for $118.22
 
  Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can
  get
 
   Rein, Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the
  ticket.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

they could be old stock though, like that climate control servo you
bought.  did you check the date of manufacture on the bags?


On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote:

 They still do... the set of bags I bought for my W109 were made by phoenix.

 http://www.jaimekop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/DSC_8446.jpg

 Jaime



 On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  lemforder doesn't make motor mounts.  you may get OEM mounts in a
 lemforder
  box, but they weren't made by lemforder.
 
  phoenix makes motor mounts.  btw, they also make (or at least used to)
 the
  suspension air bags on 109 cars
 
 
  On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
 
   and unfortunately the price is not a good indicator of quality. I think
   the w124 MMs were Lemforder but that's from memory - I believe they
 were
   around $65 ea.
  
   Thanks Gary for all your insight on these parts -
  
   Larry
  
  
   On 8/6/2013 5:27 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
  
   if you know the brand, that would be the first thing.  in you case
 here,
   really phoenix would have come in a lemforder, corteco, rein/crp,
  phoenix
   or mercedes box.  anything else will likely be anywhere from really
  dismal
   chinese to sort of ok chinese.  you'll know soon enough, i guess,
 albeit
   perhaps the hard way
  
  
   On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
 wrote:
  
that's not a bad idea!  Don't know if it;s the sae with the W123 240s
  as
   it was with my W124 300D but when I replaced the MMs on the W124 the
   change
   to many things about the engine improved - it was much quieter, the
  idle
   speed was better and the shaking and jerking at idle and  low
 speeds
   disappeared.   I was really surprised at the difference..   Bought
 the
   replacements from Rusty and hope they are quality - better keep an
 eye
  on
   them in case thy are Chinese 
  
  
  
   LarryT
   78 240D
   91 300D
  
   On 8/5/2013 10:23 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
  
seems i can get other ones as well.  i probably should just buy them
  all
   and be king of the 240D moutns
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
 this is more and more the case every day. i have found some
  lemforders
  
   though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are
 often
   genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
  ka...@striplin.net
  
   wrote:
  
 Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way
 too
   much
  
   for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
   On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
   wrote:
  
 On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
   wrote:
  
 -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
   Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.
  
   Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.
  
   Keenan has OEM for $118.22
  
   Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he
 can
   get
  
Rein, Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the
   ticket.
  
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Jaime Kopchinski]

The servo was from 2001 or 2002... I forget which.  But the airbags were
recent stock.  I can't remember now, its been almost two years since I put
them in.

I actually drove the W109 today to make sure it would be ready to come home
(and stay home) for the first time later this week.  Its been at the garage
at my old job and its time to get it out of there.  Looking forward to
getting the water pump sorted out and getting some miles on it before
winter.

Jaime



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 they could be old stock though, like that climate control servo you
 bought.  did you check the date of manufacture on the bags?


 On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  They still do... the set of bags I bought for my W109 were made by
 phoenix.
 
  http://www.jaimekop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/DSC_8446.jpg
 
  Jaime
 
 
 
  On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   lemforder doesn't make motor mounts.  you may get OEM mounts in a
  lemforder
   box, but they weren't made by lemforder.
  
   phoenix makes motor mounts.  btw, they also make (or at least used to)
  the
   suspension air bags on 109 cars
  
  
   On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
 wrote:
  
and unfortunately the price is not a good indicator of quality. I
 think
the w124 MMs were Lemforder but that's from memory - I believe they
  were
around $65 ea.
   
Thanks Gary for all your insight on these parts -
   
Larry
   
   
On 8/6/2013 5:27 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
   
if you know the brand, that would be the first thing.  in you case
  here,
really phoenix would have come in a lemforder, corteco, rein/crp,
   phoenix
or mercedes box.  anything else will likely be anywhere from really
   dismal
chinese to sort of ok chinese.  you'll know soon enough, i guess,
  albeit
perhaps the hard way
   
   
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
  wrote:
   
 that's not a bad idea!  Don't know if it;s the sae with the W123
 240s
   as
it was with my W124 300D but when I replaced the MMs on the W124
 the
change
to many things about the engine improved - it was much quieter, the
   idle
speed was better and the shaking and jerking at idle and  low
  speeds
disappeared.   I was really surprised at the difference..   Bought
  the
replacements from Rusty and hope they are quality - better keep an
  eye
   on
them in case thy are Chinese 
   
   
   
LarryT
78 240D
91 300D
   
On 8/5/2013 10:23 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:
   
 seems i can get other ones as well.  i probably should just buy
 them
   all
and be king of the 240D moutns
   
   
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Gary Hurst 
 jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:
   
  this is more and more the case every day. i have found some
   lemforders
   
though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are
  often
genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.
   
   
On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
   ka...@striplin.net
   
wrote:
   
  Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way
  too
much
   
for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year
   
Sent from my iPhone
   
On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com
 
wrote:
   
  On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
 
wrote:
   
  -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.
   
Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.
   
Keenan has OEM for $118.22
   
Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he
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get
   
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Jaime wrote:
 ...at my old job...

No more Becker?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

there is no one left there who knows how to fix a europa, so he quit in
disgust


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[Jaime Kopchinski]

No more Becker... I left for a job directly with Mercedes-Benz RD.

But I still know who can fix a europa.

Jaime



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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts by the numbers

[Andrew Strasfogel]

My spare set of motor mounts must have been sold or given away.  Funny how
this happens.  I do have some  W123 spare brake hoses, however,

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 I believe the M103 mounts are the fluid filled ones, which makes the far
 more expensive than the solid rubber ones.  I know my W140 has the fluid
 filled ones, and they're not cheap, even in the aftermarket.

 Dan


 On Aug 5, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:

  I can't say for sure in this case but MB uses different 'strength'
 mounts for different engines.
  For example my 300TE needed mounts and they are expensive, I had some
 for the M102 engine and although the numbers are different they fit and are
 doing the job.
  So my guess is that the ones for the M103 are heavier dutier than the
 ones for the M102 but the physical dimensions are the same.
 
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[Rich Thomas]

There are 2 kinds of those too

--R

On 8/6/13 10:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

My spare set of motor mounts must have been sold or given away.  Funny how
this happens.  I do have some  W123 spare brake hoses, however,

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I believe the M103 mounts are the fluid filled ones, which makes the far
more expensive than the solid rubber ones.  I know my W140 has the fluid
filled ones, and they're not cheap, even in the aftermarket.

Dan


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I can't say for sure in this case but MB uses different 'strength'

mounts for different engines.

For example my 300TE needed mounts and they are expensive, I had some

for the M102 engine and although the numbers are different they fit and are
doing the job.

So my guess is that the ones for the M103 are heavier dutier than the

ones for the M102 but the physical dimensions are the same.

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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that's not a bad idea!  Don't know if it;s the sae with the W123 240s as 
it was with my W124 300D but when I replaced the MMs on the W124 the 
change to many things about the engine improved - it was much quieter, 
the idle speed was better and the shaking and jerking at idle and  low 
speeds disappeared.   I was really surprised at the difference..   
Bought the replacements from Rusty and hope they are quality - better 
keep an eye on them in case thy are Chinese 



LarryT
78 240D
91 300D

On 8/5/2013 10:23 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

seems i can get other ones as well.  i probably should just buy them all
and be king of the 240D moutns


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:


this is more and more the case every day. i have found some lemforders
though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are often
genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:


Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way too much
for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:


On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:


-- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+


Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.

Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.

Keenan has OEM for $118.22

Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can get

Rein, Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the ticket.

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Larry T]

Hey Rich --
you probably cringed with he said the ones you need are quite rare!   Ha 
!  just what you wanted to hear --


LarryT


On 8/5/2013 3:08 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

No, tell him if they are for a 79 they are not worth the postage.

--R


On 8/5/13 2:57 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
what year are those TD mounts for?  the ones for 79 and 80 are a 
different
spec than from 81 through 85.  if you have original ones for the 
early car,

then they are good and rare and valuable . but if you have them for the
later car, they are common as dirt as phoenix make about a billion of 
them
and they are maybe worth like 20 something dollars each of they are 
OE/OEM
and far less if they are aftermarket.  you can tell by looking at 
them as
the rubber will be stamped S11 and you will actually see where the 
star was

ground off, as if by a razor.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:


Rest asured, all my surplus parts are of superb quality, never 
driven in

rain or snow.  Highway miles only.



On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com 
wrote:



i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts

are a
different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in 
OE/OEM

form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are

very
common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, 
which is
about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the 
later

ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:


How much you want for them?

--R



On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not

Uro'

let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

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  Hey Gang --

Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
around
   $25 and the MB are $125+

That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap 
or is

the

MB overpriced - or both?

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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if you know the brand, that would be the first thing.  in you case here,
really phoenix would have come in a lemforder, corteco, rein/crp, phoenix
or mercedes box.  anything else will likely be anywhere from really dismal
chinese to sort of ok chinese.  you'll know soon enough, i guess, albeit
perhaps the hard way


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 that's not a bad idea!  Don't know if it;s the sae with the W123 240s as
 it was with my W124 300D but when I replaced the MMs on the W124 the change
 to many things about the engine improved - it was much quieter, the idle
 speed was better and the shaking and jerking at idle and  low speeds
 disappeared.   I was really surprised at the difference..   Bought the
 replacements from Rusty and hope they are quality - better keep an eye on
 them in case thy are Chinese 



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 On 8/5/2013 10:23 AM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 seems i can get other ones as well.  i probably should just buy them all
 and be king of the 240D moutns


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 wrote:

  this is more and more the case every day. i have found some lemforders
 though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are often
 genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 wrote:

  Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way too much
 for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year

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  On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

  -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+


 Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.

 Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.

 Keenan has OEM for $118.22

 Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can get

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+


Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley. 

Dr. Fattys website lists URO only. 

Keenan has OEM for $118.22

Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can get Rein, 
Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the ticket. 

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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meyle is almost never the answer . rein is a better shot.  phoenix,
corteco, lemforder, crp, febi in descending order for other brands you have
a real good shot of ending up with OEM

dr fatty website only shows worldpac.  they are highly committed to chinese
parts as the markups are huge.  there are many other sources though and
some may still have some supply of real deal mounts and much better than
dealer prices.

it's hard to say nowadays as both supply and demand for oem parts is
dwindling.  phoenix simply stops making them as they don't feel they can
compete with 'i can get the same thing from uro for 1/4 the price and
mercedes keeps raising the prices on their old stock in inventory to
astronomical levels.  it's not what i thought would happen but it is what
it is.


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 On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

  -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+


 Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.

 Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.

 Keenan has OEM for $118.22

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 meyle is almost never the answer . rein is a better shot.  phoenix,
 corteco, lemforder, crp, febi in descending order for other brands you have
 a real good shot of ending up with OEM


I wonder what the Beck Arnley crap is...

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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Uro anything is crap

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 Hey Gang --
 Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are around  
 $25 and the MB are $125+
 
 That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is the MB 
 overpriced - or both?
 
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Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way too much for mb 
or buy the uro and change then about once a year

Sent from my iPhone

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 On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
 
 
 Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley. 
 
 Dr. Fattys website lists URO only. 
 
 Keenan has OEM for $118.22
 
 Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can get Rein, 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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this is more and more the case every day. i have found some lemforders
though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are often
genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.


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 Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way too much
 for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

  On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
 
 
  Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.
 
  Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.
 
  Keenan has OEM for $118.22
 
  Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can get
 Rein, Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the ticket.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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seems i can get other ones as well.  i probably should just buy them all
and be king of the 240D moutns


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 10:10 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 this is more and more the case every day. i have found some lemforders
 though, so all should work out well.  in motor mounts these are often
 genuine with the star ground down for 1/3 the price or better.


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Wow can't get febi or whatever anymore? Either have to pay way too much
 for mb or buy the uro and change then about once a year

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 5, 2013, at 1:09 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

  On Aug 4, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  -- the URO brand are around  $25 and the MB are $125+
 
 
  Rock Auto lists DEA, Anchor, URO, and Beck Arnley.
 
  Dr. Fattys website lists URO only.
 
  Keenan has OEM for $118.22
 
  Jabba may know what is what with the ones at Crock Auto. If he can get
 Rein, Meyle, or something that sounds German, that would be the ticket.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not Uro'
let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

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 Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are around
  $25 and the MB are $125+

 That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is the
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM mounts at
a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless, it
seems


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 I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not Uro'
 let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

  Hey Gang --
  Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
 around
   $25 and the MB are $125+
 
  That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is the
  MB overpriced - or both?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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ATTABOY!

Wilton

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those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM mounts at
a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless, it
seems


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astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:



I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not Uro'
let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hey Gang --
 Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
around
  $25 and the MB are $125+

 That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is 
 the

 MB overpriced - or both?

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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My motor mounts are universal and will fit any model of any car so long as
the check clears.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM mounts at
 a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless, it
 seems


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not Uro'
  let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
 
   Hey Gang --
   Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
  around
$25 and the MB are $125+
  
   That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is
 the
   MB overpriced - or both?
  
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

i think trent used to sell universal motor mounts.  oh, no, wait, those
were invisible ones


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:

 My motor mounts are universal and will fit any model of any car so long as
 the check clears.

 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM mounts
 at
  a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless, it
  seems
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
 Uro'
   let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
  
   On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
 wrote:
  
Hey Gang --
Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
   around
 $25 and the MB are $125+
   
That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is
  the
MB overpriced - or both?
   
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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How much you want for them?

--R


On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not Uro'
let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:


Hey Gang --
Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are around
  $25 and the MB are $125+

That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is the
MB overpriced - or both?

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts are a
different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in OE/OEM
form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are very
common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the later
ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 How much you want for them?

 --R



 On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

 I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not Uro'
 let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

  Hey Gang --
 Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
 around
   $25 and the MB are $125+

 That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is the
 MB overpriced - or both?

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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Rest asured, all my surplus parts are of superb quality, never driven in
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On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts are a
 different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in OE/OEM
 form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are very
 common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
 about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the later
 ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

  How much you want for them?
 
  --R
 
 
 
  On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
 
  I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not Uro'
  let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:
 
   Hey Gang --
  Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
  around
$25 and the MB are $125+
 
  That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is
 the
  MB overpriced - or both?
 
  comments about which I should buy please --
 
  LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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what year are those TD mounts for?  the ones for 79 and 80 are a different
spec than from 81 through 85.  if you have original ones for the early car,
then they are good and rare and valuable . but if you have them for the
later car, they are common as dirt as phoenix make about a billion of them
and they are maybe worth like 20 something dollars each of they are OE/OEM
and far less if they are aftermarket.  you can tell by looking at them as
the rubber will be stamped S11 and you will actually see where the star was
ground off, as if by a razor.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:

 Rest asured, all my surplus parts are of superb quality, never driven in
 rain or snow.  Highway miles only.



 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts
 are a
  different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in OE/OEM
  form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are
 very
  common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
  about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the later
  ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas 
  richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 
   How much you want for them?
  
   --R
  
  
  
   On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
  
   I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
 Uro'
   let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
  
   On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
 wrote:
  
Hey Gang --
   Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
   around
 $25 and the MB are $125+
  
   That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is
  the
   MB overpriced - or both?
  
   comments about which I should buy please --
  
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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No, tell him if they are for a 79 they are not worth the postage.

--R


On 8/5/13 2:57 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

what year are those TD mounts for?  the ones for 79 and 80 are a different
spec than from 81 through 85.  if you have original ones for the early car,
then they are good and rare and valuable . but if you have them for the
later car, they are common as dirt as phoenix make about a billion of them
and they are maybe worth like 20 something dollars each of they are OE/OEM
and far less if they are aftermarket.  you can tell by looking at them as
the rubber will be stamped S11 and you will actually see where the star was
ground off, as if by a razor.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:


Rest asured, all my surplus parts are of superb quality, never driven in
rain or snow.  Highway miles only.



On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:


i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts

are a

different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in OE/OEM
form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are

very

common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the later
ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:


How much you want for them?

--R



On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not

Uro'

let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net

wrote:

  Hey Gang --

Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
around
   $25 and the MB are $125+

That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is

the

MB overpriced - or both?

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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what year TD do you want them for?


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 No, tell him if they are for a 79 they are not worth the postage.

 --R



 On 8/5/13 2:57 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 what year are those TD mounts for?  the ones for 79 and 80 are a different
 spec than from 81 through 85.  if you have original ones for the early
 car,
 then they are good and rare and valuable . but if you have them for the
 later car, they are common as dirt as phoenix make about a billion of them
 and they are maybe worth like 20 something dollars each of they are OE/OEM
 and far less if they are aftermarket.  you can tell by looking at them as
 the rubber will be stamped S11 and you will actually see where the star
 was
 ground off, as if by a razor.


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Rest asured, all my surplus parts are of superb quality, never driven in
 rain or snow.  Highway miles only.



 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts

 are a

 different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in
 OE/OEM
 form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are

 very

 common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
 about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the later
 ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 wrote:

  How much you want for them?

 --R



 On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

  I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not

 Uro'

 let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net

 wrote:

   Hey Gang --

 Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
 around
$25 and the MB are $125+

 That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is

 the

 MB overpriced - or both?

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[WILTON]

Rich, I thought your last name is Thomas.  'You sure it hasn't been 
changed somewhere along the way?  ;)


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No, tell him if they are for a 79 they are not worth the postage.

--R


On 8/5/13 2:57 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:
what year are those TD mounts for?  the ones for 79 and 80 are a 
different
spec than from 81 through 85.  if you have original ones for the early 
car,

then they are good and rare and valuable . but if you have them for the
later car, they are common as dirt as phoenix make about a billion of 
them
and they are maybe worth like 20 something dollars each of they are 
OE/OEM

and far less if they are aftermarket.  you can tell by looking at them as
the rubber will be stamped S11 and you will actually see where the star 
was

ground off, as if by a razor.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:



Rest asured, all my surplus parts are of superb quality, never driven in
rain or snow.  Highway miles only.



On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com 
wrote:



i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts

are a
different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in 
OE/OEM

form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are

very

common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the 
later

ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:


How much you want for them?

--R



On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not

Uro'

let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net

wrote:

  Hey Gang --

Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
around
   $25 and the MB are $125+

That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is

the

MB overpriced - or both?

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Rich Thomas]

richthomas79TD300

I don't really need some, just figured if he had some gathering dust 
they could gather dust at my place, if he would be willing to let them 
go cheepcheep


--R



On 8/5/13 3:11 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

what year TD do you want them for?


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Rich Thomas 
@constructivity.net wrote:


No, tell him if they are for a 79 they are not worth the postage.

--R



On 8/5/13 2:57 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:


what year are those TD mounts for?  the ones for 79 and 80 are a different
spec than from 81 through 85.  if you have original ones for the early
car,
then they are good and rare and valuable . but if you have them for the
later car, they are common as dirt as phoenix make about a billion of them
and they are maybe worth like 20 something dollars each of they are OE/OEM
and far less if they are aftermarket.  you can tell by looking at them as
the rubber will be stamped S11 and you will actually see where the star
was
ground off, as if by a razor.


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wrote:

  Rest asured, all my surplus parts are of superb quality, never driven in

rain or snow.  Highway miles only.



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wrote:

  i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts
are a


different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in
OE/OEM
form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are


very


common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the later
ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net
wrote:

  How much you want for them?

--R



On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

  I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
Uro'

let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

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Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
around
$25 and the MB are $125+

That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is


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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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Hahahahahahahabahahahahahahahagagahahahahahghahahaha

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 i think trent used to sell universal motor mounts.  oh, no, wait, those
 were invisible ones
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 My motor mounts are universal and will fit any model of any car so long as
 the check clears.
 
 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM mounts
 at
 a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless, it
 seems
 
 
 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
 Uro'
 let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
 
 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
 wrote:
 
 Hey Gang --
 Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
 around
 $25 and the MB are $125+
 
 That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is
 the
 MB overpriced - or both?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind off
the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine Rolex.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Hahahahahahahabahahahahahahahagagahahahahahghahahaha

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  i think trent used to sell universal motor mounts.  oh, no, wait, those
  were invisible ones
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  My motor mounts are universal and will fit any model of any car so long
 as
  the check clears.
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM mounts
  at
  a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless, it
  seems
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
  astrasfo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
  Uro'
  let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
  wrote:
 
  Hey Gang --
  Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
  around
  $25 and the MB are $125+
 
  That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is
  the
  MB overpriced - or both?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Andrew Strasfogel]

To be clear, that should have been clear.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:

 What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind off
 the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine
 Rolex.


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Hahahahahahahabahahahahahahahagagahahahahahghahahaha

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  i think trent used to sell universal motor mounts.  oh, no, wait, those
  were invisible ones
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:
 
  My motor mounts are universal and will fit any model of any car so
 long as
  the check clears.
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM
 mounts
  at
  a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless,
 it
  seems
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
  astrasfo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
  Uro'
  let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
  wrote:
 
  Hey Gang --
  Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
  around
  $25 and the MB are $125+
 
  That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is
  the
  MB overpriced - or both?
 
  comments about which I should buy please --
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[WILTON]

'My thoughts, too, re. grinding the star.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts



What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind off
the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine 
Rolex.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
ka...@striplin.netwrote:



Hahahahahahahabahahahahahahahagagahahahahahghahahaha

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 i think trent used to sell universal motor mounts.  oh, no, wait, those
 were invisible ones


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com

wrote:

 My motor mounts are universal and will fit any model of any car so 
 long

as
 the check clears.

 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:

 those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM 
 mounts

 at
 a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless, 
 it

 seems


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
 Uro'
 let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
 wrote:

 Hey Gang --
 Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
 around
 $25 and the MB are $125+

 That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or 
 is

 the
 MB overpriced - or both?

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

that's exactly the point, andrew.  the star is a mercedes trademark that
has to come in a mercedes box.

let's start at the beginning.  for the most part, mercedes builds cars, not
parts.  they buy parts and use them to build cars out of

phoenix makes mounts.  mercedes says make this mount for us.  phoenix
makes a bunch.  mercedes buys a bunch.  they are made for mercedes so they
are made with the mercedes stars on them.

other companies also want to sell those mounts.  febi buys some.  lem buys
some.  crp buys some.  corteco buys some. phoenix puts some in their own
boxes to sell.   phoenix is happy to sell them but they don't make a
special edition of the mount for each reseller.  so now there is a problem
as the proprietary benz trademark is on a rein/crp product.  they CANNOT
legal sell the one with the star on it, so the answer is to grind off the
star.  this is because they are selling them as a rein mount. to sell it
as a genuine MB mount, they'd have to buy it from MB at a huge markup to
waht they are paying phoenix, so there is no point as it all identical
product from teh phoenix factory in turkey.

it is NOT a mercedes mount, but mercedes is a kind of secondary branding
that only mercedes can use.  it is a phoenix mount but manufactured
primarily for mercedes, so it carries the mercedes logo that must be
removed if sold as someone else's product.

get it?


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 What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind off
 the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine
 Rolex.

 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 wrote:

  Hahahahahahahabahahahahahahahagagahahahahahghahahaha
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   i think trent used to sell universal motor mounts.  oh, no, wait, those
   were invisible ones
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
   My motor mounts are universal and will fit any model of any car so
 long
  as
   the check clears.
  
   On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  
   those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM
 mounts
   at
   a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless,
 it
   seems
  
  
   On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
   astrasfo...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
   I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
   Uro'
   let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
  
   On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
   wrote:
  
   Hey Gang --
   Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
   around
   $25 and the MB are $125+
  
   That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or
 is
   the
   MB overpriced - or both?
  
   comments about which I should buy please --
  
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[OK Don]

In a word, lawyers. Copyright, trademarks, licensing agreements signed when
production began, etc.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 'My thoughts, too, re. grinding the star.

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com

 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:41 PM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts


  What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind off
 the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine
 Rolex.




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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

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What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind off
the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine Rolex.


You've been learing again?

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

again, as it is not being sold as a mercedes product it cannot carry the
starr

let me give you another example.  i had a mexican palm hat for years that
was sold to me as a resistol brand hat.  i replaced it with the exact same
hat but branded ranger.  the ranger hat company cannot brand the hat
resistol just becasue both hats have a common source and are identical
models.  .  lemforder cannot brand something as mercedes just because they
have a common source and are the same model.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:46 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 'My thoughts, too, re. grinding the star.

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com

 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:41 PM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts


  What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind off
 the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine
 Rolex.

 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 wrote:

  Hahahahahahahabahahahahahahaha**gagahahahahahghahahaha

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  i think trent used to sell universal motor mounts.  oh, no, wait, those
  were invisible ones
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  
 astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  My motor mounts are universal and will fit any model of any car so 
 long
 as
  the check clears.
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM 
 mounts
  at
  a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless,
  it
  seems
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
  astrasfo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not
  Uro'
  let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net
  wrote:
 
  Hey Gang --
  Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
  around
  $25 and the MB are $125+
 
  That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or
  is
  the
  MB overpriced - or both?
 
  comments about which I should buy please --
 
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

even before production began.  the star is owned by ed by merecedes and
only they can use or give persmission to use it


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:55 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 In a word, lawyers. Copyright, trademarks, licensing agreements signed when
 production began, etc.


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  'My thoughts, too, re. grinding the star.
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel 
  astrasfo...@gmail.com
 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:41 PM
 
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts
 
 
   What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind off
  the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine
  Rolex.
 
 


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[WILTON]

So, how'd the star get on there?  Legally, originally, or by hook and crook? 
Did I miss that?


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts



even before production began.  the star is owned by ed by merecedes and
only they can use or give persmission to use it


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:55 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

In a word, lawyers. Copyright, trademarks, licensing agreements signed 
when

production began, etc.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 'My thoughts, too, re. grinding the star.

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com

 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:41 PM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts


  What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind 
 off

 the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine
 Rolex.




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[Andrew Strasfogel]

I for one appreciae the seminar from Gary.  I am leaning a lot! [stet]

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:06 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 So, how'd the star get on there?  Legally, originally, or by hook and
 crook? Did I miss that?

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:00 PM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts


 even before production began.  the star is owned by ed by merecedes and
 only they can use or give persmission to use it


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:55 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 In a word, lawyers. Copyright, trademarks, licensing agreements signed
 when
 production began, etc.


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  'My thoughts, too, re. grinding the star.
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel 
  astrasfo...@gmail.com
 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:41 PM
 
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts
 
 
   What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind
  off
  the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine
  Rolex.
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Rich Thomas]

It was until I changed it, but WorldPeace was taken.

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On 8/5/13 3:19 PM, WILTON wrote:
Rich, I thought your last name is Thomas.  'You sure it hasn't been 
changed somewhere along the way?  ;)


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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

the star got there at point of original manufacture by phoenix.  benz
contracted phoenix to make it and the star was part of the design


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 4:06 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 So, how'd the star get on there?  Legally, originally, or by hook and
 crook? Did I miss that?

 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:00 PM

 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts


  even before production began.  the star is owned by ed by merecedes and
 only they can use or give persmission to use it


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:55 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

  In a word, lawyers. Copyright, trademarks, licensing agreements signed
 when
 production began, etc.


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:46 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  'My thoughts, too, re. grinding the star.
 
  Wilton
 
  - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel 
  astrasfo...@gmail.com
 
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 3:41 PM
 
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts
 
 
   What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind
  off
  the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine
  Rolex.
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Will the later cheap style work on the earlier cars?


On 8/5/2013 1:57 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

what year are those TD mounts for?  the ones for 79 and 80 are a different
spec than from 81 through 85.  if you have original ones for the early car,
then they are good and rare and valuable . but if you have them for the
later car, they are common as dirt as phoenix make about a billion of them
and they are maybe worth like 20 something dollars each of they are OE/OEM
and far less if they are aftermarket.  you can tell by looking at them as
the rubber will be stamped S11 and you will actually see where the star was
ground off, as if by a razor.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:


Rest asured, all my surplus parts are of superb quality, never driven in
rain or snow.  Highway miles only.



On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:


i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts

are a

different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in OE/OEM
form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are

very

common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the later
ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:


How much you want for them?

--R



On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not

Uro'

let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net

wrote:

  Hey Gang --

Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
around
   $25 and the MB are $125+

That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is

the

MB overpriced - or both?

comments about which I should buy please --

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

probably because they cant sell them with the star unless they have the 
star box and come from the dealer.

On 8/5/2013 2:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

What isn't lear to me is why someone would take the trouble to grind off
the tristar.  It's like taking a Dremel tool to the face of a genuine Rolex.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:


Hahahahahahahabahahahahahahahagagahahahahahghahahaha

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2013, at 12:56 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:


i think trent used to sell universal motor mounts.  oh, no, wait, those
were invisible ones


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 1:40 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
wrote:


My motor mounts are universal and will fit any model of any car so long

as

the check clears.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

wrote:

those are different mounts.  i've already hooked him up with OEM mounts

at

a small fraction of what MB wants.  i'm not really all that useless, it
seems


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 

astrasfo...@gmail.com

wrote:
I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not

Uro'

let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net

wrote:

Hey Gang --
Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are

around

$25 and the MB are $125+

That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is

the

MB overpriced - or both?

comments about which I should buy please --

LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts by the numbers

[Hendrik and Fay]

I can't say for sure in this case but MB uses different 'strength' 
mounts for different engines.
For example my 300TE needed mounts and they are expensive, I had some 
for the M102 engine and although the numbers are different they fit and 
are doing the job.
So my guess is that the ones for the M103 are heavier dutier than the 
ones for the M102 but the physical dimensions are the same.


Hendrik
who needs to fix a leak in a water pipe

On 06/08/13 04:07, Gary Hurst wrote:

i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts are a
different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in OE/OEM
form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are very
common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the later
ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:


How much you want for them?

--R



On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:


I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not Uro'
let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.








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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts by the numbers

[Dan Penoff]

I believe the M103 mounts are the fluid filled ones, which makes the far more 
expensive than the solid rubber ones.  I know my W140 has the fluid filled 
ones, and they're not cheap, even in the aftermarket.

Dan


On Aug 5, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:

 I can't say for sure in this case but MB uses different 'strength' mounts for 
 different engines.
 For example my 300TE needed mounts and they are expensive, I had some for the 
 M102 engine and although the numbers are different they fit and are doing the 
 job.
 So my guess is that the ones for the M103 are heavier dutier than the ones 
 for the M102 but the physical dimensions are the same.
 
 Hendrik
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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

this is a good question.  my guess is they won't mount up.  but i bet jaime
would know.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Will the later cheap style work on the earlier cars?



 On 8/5/2013 1:57 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

 what year are those TD mounts for?  the ones for 79 and 80 are a different
 spec than from 81 through 85.  if you have original ones for the early
 car,
 then they are good and rare and valuable . but if you have them for the
 later car, they are common as dirt as phoenix make about a billion of them
 and they are maybe worth like 20 something dollars each of they are OE/OEM
 and far less if they are aftermarket.  you can tell by looking at them as
 the rubber will be stamped S11 and you will actually see where the star
 was
 ground off, as if by a razor.


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:52 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Rest asured, all my surplus parts are of superb quality, never driven in
 rain or snow.  Highway miles only.



 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  i hate to further kill andrew's side business, but early 300TD mounts

 are a

 different number than later ones.  if andrew has the early ones in
 OE/OEM
 form, they are worth jumping on as those are rare.  the later ones are

 very

 common and cheap in in genuine with the star scraped off form, which is
 about the purest OEM you can get.  i've got a bookcase full of the later
 ones in original that i sell cheap, but for a 79, they'd be rare


 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 wrote:

  How much you want for them?

 --R



 On 8/5/13 12:12 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

  I have some spare NOS motor mounts for a W123 300TD. They are not

 Uro'

 let me know if you're interested and I will find out the brand.

 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net

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   Hey Gang --

 Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are
 around
$25 and the MB are $125+

 That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is

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 MB overpriced - or both?

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[MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Larry T]

Hey Gang --
Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are 
around  $25 and the MB are $125+


That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is the 
MB overpriced - or both?


comments about which I should buy please --

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Re: [MBZ] Motor Mounts

[Gary Hurst]

both.  i look around and see if anyone has a better alternative.  used to
sell many of these in febi boxes and maybe there are still some left


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 Hey Gang --
 Thinking about replacing the MMs on my 78 240D -- the URO brand are around
  $25 and the MB are $125+

 That's a pretty ;large price difference - are the URO's 'crap or is the
 MB overpriced - or both?

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Re: [MBZ] motor mounts done and dusted

[Larry T]

I guess I was lucky - my 91 300D motor mounts changed fairly easily. 
True i had to work from underneath to  RR the center bolt, and getting 
to the bolts on the top required some gymnastics but many tasks have 
been worse.   the best part was the HUGE improvement in the way the 
engine was held in place and kept quiet!I was so happy I could not 
believe it!  The transformation was enormous!


I wish changing the Ms on my 78 240D W123 cwould make such a huge 
dfference


LarryT

On 6/2/2013 2:05 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
The diesel on a W124 is just as much of a PITA -- really only possible 
to get to the right side from underneath, and even then it's a pain.


Usually have to jack up the M103 to get access to the left one (US 
driver's side) when they have gone flat.


Never helps when a gorilla has tightened the bolts, either.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] motor mounts done and dusted

[MG]

Wow! makes me glad to have the diesel engine.

Manfred

Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2013 11:20:25 +0930
From: Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com

Just done them on my 300TE, to do the right one you have to take the
fuel distributor assembly off.

Hendrik
who used S/H M102 mounts

On 31/05/13 04:02, MG wrote:
  Had some fun this morning. Put motor mounts in one of my 83 
300D
  sedans. Took almost two hours. I can't believe it! I am 
getting so
  slow. That should have taken less then an hour. I do wish 
the left
  mount was as easy to do as the right. Oh well it's done and 
a lot

  quieter then it was so all in all a mark for the plus side.
 
  Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] motor mounts done and dusted

[Peter Frederick]

The diesel on a W124 is just as much of a PITA -- really only possible  
to get to the right side from underneath, and even then it's a pain.


Usually have to jack up the M103 to get access to the left one (US  
driver's side) when they have gone flat.


Never helps when a gorilla has tightened the bolts, either.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] motor mounts done and dusted

[Hendrik and fay]

On the M103 you also have to lift off centre, otherwise the exhaust will 
cause the engine to tilt, best done at the rear of the engine.


Hendrik
who needs a 12 point thingy to undo head bolts

On 03/06/13 03:35, Peter Frederick wrote:
The diesel on a W124 is just as much of a PITA -- really only possible 
to get to the right side from underneath, and even then it's a pain.


Usually have to jack up the M103 to get access to the left one (US 
driver's side) when they have gone flat.


Never helps when a gorilla has tightened the bolts, either.

Peter





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Re: [MBZ] motor mounts done and dusted

[Hendrik and fay]

Just done them on my 300TE, to do the right one you have to take the 
fuel distributor assembly off.


Hendrik
who used S/H M102 mounts

On 31/05/13 04:02, MG wrote:
Had some fun this morning. Put motor mounts in one of my 83 300D 
sedans. Took almost two hours. I can't believe it! I am getting so 
slow. That should have taken less then an hour. I do wish the left 
mount was as easy to do as the right. Oh well it's done and a lot 
quieter then it was so all in all a mark for the plus side.


Manfred





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[MBZ] motor mounts done

[MG]

Had some fun this morning. Put motor mounts in one of my 83 300D 
sedans. Took almost two hours. I can't believe it! I am getting 
so slow. That should have taken less then an hour. I do wish the 
left mount was as easy to do as the right. Oh well it's done and 
a lot quieter then it was so all in all a mark for the plus side.


Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts

[andrew strasfogel]

Don't they all have subframe mounts as well?

On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Okay well, this is part of why I have this car, to learn some new
 wrenching...

 So how many mounts, just 2?
 Worldpac hates me this morning and won't load...

 These would have been replaced u 5 years ago when I first bought the
 car, maybe 60,000 miles? Does that seem reasonable? In the last 2 years the
 car has sat alot.

 -Curt

 Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 14:25:33 -0700 (PDT)
 From: LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hammie exhaust
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

 Engine mounts on nearly all MB chassis are a piece of
 cake.  I got so good at doing 123 mounts I had it down
 to about 30 minutes a side, and most of that was setup
 and tear down.

 Just be sure to get a hex driver that goes on a 1/2
 drive ratchet to break the bolt loose.  And snap it,
 don't just twist.

 Dan


 --- OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I don't think it will be a big job for you, if it's
  not one for him.
  Engine mounts are loosen bolts, rlift enough to take
  weight off,
  remove bolts, remove old mounts. insert new mounts,
  start bolts, let
  the engine down, tighten bolts. - do one side at a
  time. I find
  exhaust systems to be more work than changing engine
  mounts!
 
  Did you get the photos I sent?



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[MBZ] Motor mounts

[Curt Raymond]

Okay well, this is part of why I have this car, to learn some new wrenching...

So how many mounts, just 2? 
Worldpac hates me this morning and won't load...

These would have been replaced u 5 years ago when I first bought the car, 
maybe 60,000 miles? Does that seem reasonable? In the last 2 years the car has 
sat alot.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 14:25:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: LWB250 lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hammie exhaust
To: Mercedes Discussion List lt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt;
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Engine mounts on nearly all MB chassis are a piece of
cake.nbsp; I got so good at doing 123 mounts I had it down
to about 30 minutes a side, and most of that was setup
and tear down.

Just be sure to get a hex driver that goes on a 1/2
drive ratchet to break the bolt loose.nbsp; And snap it,
don't just twist.

Dan


--- OK Don lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote:

gt; I don't think it will be a big job for you, if it's
gt; not one for him.
gt; Engine mounts are loosen bolts, rlift enough to take
gt; weight off,
gt; remove bolts, remove old mounts. insert new mounts,
gt; start bolts, let
gt; the engine down, tighten bolts. - do one side at a
gt; time. I find
gt; exhaust systems to be more work than changing engine
gt; mounts!
gt; 
gt; Did you get the photos I sent?


  
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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts, OM-617 - pic.

[andrew strasfogel]

The mount looks pretty collapsed to me.

On 10/27/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Taken with a cell phone, so not great quality.  Does this look like
 it needs to be replaced?

 Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts, OM-617 - pic.

[Curt Raymond]

Me too.

Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:30:47 -0400
From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts, OM-617 - pic.
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The mount looks pretty collapsed to me.

On 10/27/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Taken with a cell phone, so not great quality.  Does this look like
 it needs to be replaced?

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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts, OM-617 - pic.

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

About the same.

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- Original Message - 
From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts, OM-617 - pic.


 What's the situation with the motor mount replacement on my '83 300sD? 
 More
 or oess room?  I wouldn't anticipate much difference from my W123 300D.

 Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts, OM-617 - pic.

[Kevin Kraly]

What's the situation with the motor mount replacement on my '83 300sD?  More 
or oess room?  I wouldn't anticipate much difference from my W123 300D.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts, OM-617 - pic.

[Scott Ritchey]

I've replaced motor mounts on a 126 SD and a 123 TD.  The SD is slightly
harder because you need to disconnect the engine dampers.  On the other
hand, the 126 has a bit more room.  You'll want to remove the air cleaner to
make room in both cases.  I recommend a good set of hex bits for the 3/8
drive and a good assortment of 3/8 extensions.  You want to be sure the hex
is fully inserted into the bolt head which may require picking out dirt or
crud first.  The hardest part, in my experience, was getting the engine
aligned to start the last bolt on reassembly.  This would have probably been
easier if I had a helper.

Scott Ritchey 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Motor mounts, OM-617 - pic.

What's the situation with the motor mount replacement on my '83 300sD?  More

or oess room?  I wouldn't anticipate much difference from my W123 300D.

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[MBZ] Motor mounts, OM617

[Allan Streib]

Installed my new air cleaner bracket today on my 300D.  I ordered  
motor mounts at the same time, but it was too late in the day to  
start that job, considering it's not one I've done before.  Something  
unexpected always seems to come up when I do a particular repair for  
the first time.

Even with the air cleaner bracket, for example, I had a lot of  
trouble with the bottom bolt.  Despite trying to be careful and using  
a lot of PB Blaster, when I got it out it looked like it it had taken  
a few threads with it.  So -- had to stop what I was doing and make a  
run to the hardware store for a new bolt, also got a tap to chase out  
the bore and hopefully clean up the threads enough for it to hold.   
It did seem to go back together OK.

Also did not know I had to unfasten the oil line flange on the  
turbocharger in order to change the bracket.  I did not have a new  
gasket for the flange so reassembled with the existing one.  It  
looked OK, did not tear or anything when I pulled the flange off.

Anyway -- looking at the motor mounts and comparing them to the new  
ones, I'd say the ones on the car definitely look flat.  Can anyone  
write up a quick how-to on the RR?  Looks like there is a center  
bolt that goes in from the bottom and two bolts that hold the mount  
to the subframe.  Do I just pull those two center bolts, raise the  
motor a little, and then unbolt and replace the mounts?

Allan
--
1983 300D
1966 230

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