Re: [WISPA] Pig tails
I might have a boat load of new never used still in the package mmcx to n female bulkhead. I have to check to make sure the mmcx is correct. George Erik Jansson wrote: I'm looking for the best quality lowest loss pigtails, mostly ufl and mmcx to N female bulkhead. Who sells the best? I recall reading a post somewhere that some on on ebay made a top notch jumper... Any experiences would be appreciated. Erik -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Hotspot Setup
Is it really any of your business Dawn? George Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, Can anyone point me to anyone else who has certified a Mikrotik system other than Trango and assure me that every Mikrotik user is deploying one of these systems? Just because one is using FCC certified parts does not make the system as a whole certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops
I didn't buy that one, but I did buy a 100 meg fd Plaintree FSO link a couple weeks ago. Should be here any day now. From what I understand, most FSO has very little tolerance. Things like vibration can interrupt the links connectivity. Although Plaintree specifically said it did not effect their system. Smith, Rick wrote: Hrm. Designed to mount ON the cable at the street and point toward the homes ? Interesting, but futile in the wind... Isn't it more expensive than a coax run to the home ? LOL. Hey Cable companies, buy these things and put 'em everywhere -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops Now THAT's cool! marlon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:21 PM Subject: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops http://www.lindsaybroadbandinc.com/product.line/fleex/pdf/FreeSpaceOptic s.pdf -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.
Maybe we should all ask our lawmakers to endorse this bill. Blair Davis wrote: FYI Rep Bart Stupak's (D-MI) request for a CALEA waiver for small broadband company's is currently expected to be endorsed by my congressional Rep Fred Upton (R-MI) Thought some would like to know. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISP] Nifty new tool for the cable ops
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: mks: Sure. Unless you have to try to get a permit to cross a road, river, train track etc. Bingo I would like to have a 100megs fd and there is only two ways, fiber or optical. I prefer fiber, but it's not so simple and needs a bit of work to get the fiber done right. So this was a simple $5k solution to go across the street. 100 meg FD internet feed is a handy thing to have in a small rural town like here. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA?
Nahh, hippies don't have harley's. I was wiring at a hippie market a few years back, and this hippie dude, a real hippie dude, told me that my truck was a waste and that anywhere I could go in Eugene Oregon, he could get there just as fast on his bicycle. robably is true. So as I was getting ready to go to the supply house, he bet me that he would get there first. So I took the bet, sure enough I show up and here is this hippie dude sitting on the loading dock. So I say to him, yeah but, ( a canadian expression :) ) waite right here. I come out with a few bundles of conduit and a few big rolls of wire,etc and ask him, how are you going to get this stuff back to your store on a bicycle??? Why else would I be driving a truck! George Cliff Leboeuf wrote: But they are alike in they both have Harleys... :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 4:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA? Its like my old hippie friend told me the only difference between hippie and yuppie is 50 grand a year That was in 91. Adjust accordingly for inflation. c -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISPA task
Please post that link, if we all filled out the form, we would get some kind of recognition. Jason wrote: Gang, Congress.org has a spot to enter your zip and then takes you to a form to email all the elected officials in your district. I found it when I was googling Rep Bart Stupak + CALEA because someone else had already wrote their reps asking them for endorsement! So I did too. Jason Travis Johnson wrote: Yes! There is a job for WISPA. Gather all the email addresses for all the congresspeople in all the states and post the list to this mailing list. Then everyone can write their reps with little or no effort. It was a little short sighted for Marlon to say The time for changing minds is past, wasn't it? ;) Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: Maybe we should all ask our lawmakers to endorse this bill. Blair Davis wrote: FYI Rep Bart Stupak's (D-MI) request for a CALEA waiver for small broadband company's is currently expected to be endorsed by my congressional Rep Fred Upton (R-MI) Thought some would like to know. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA?
In Maine, the old time new englander yankees say you can't get theyer from heyer. :) JohnnyO wrote: in BC most say hey - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Was lemmings... now What is WISPA? eh? I thought it was aye Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: The proper phrase is: yeah but, wait right here, eh? Always end with a question, eh? Lonnie -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question
Hmmm, Well during the dial up days, Jokingly, I was thinking about starting a new internet business. Internet on a disk! . Each week we send you a new disk. We start you off with disk labeled, beginning internet a-ab, next week it will be ac-ad. This way the sites will be fast loading and won't tie up your telephone lines, nor will you have to buy a fancy high speed internet line. No more connection issues. Well I did ell a couple of my subs this, and they wanted to know what would be cheaper grin Mike Hammett wrote: Well, everybody gets their Internet from someone else. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 1:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] CALEA Question As I am finding myself back into sales, I have a question concerning CALEA. I just read this blurb: The “facilities-based” terminology was meant to include providers offering connectivity infrastructure between end users and the Internet. However, establishments that acquire broadband Internet access service from a facilities-based provider to enable their customers to access the Internet from their respective establishments are excluded. The FCC explicitly exempted retail providers such as those offering hot spot WiFi (News - Alert) service where the actual Internet connectivity is obtained from another provider From this site: http://www.rad-info.net/fcc/calea1.htm This would indicate to me that if you are a retail provider, i.e. you buy your broadband from someone else and resell it to your customers, that you are exempt. This would suggest that the onus is on your provider to monitor your T-1 or other connection to them in the event of a need for a tap. Any clarity on this would be great. WirelessGuys David Peterson Senior Wireless Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 207 W. Los Angeles Avenue, Suite 300 Moorpark, CA 93021-1862 tel: 800-945-3294 mobile: 979.224.4192 AIM: ultramesh inc Skype ID:nexuswirelessusa No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/784 - Release Date: 5/1/2007 2:57 PM CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information for the use of the designated recipients. If you are not the intended recipient, (or authorized to receive for the recipient) you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of it or its contents is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please destroy all copies of this communication and any attachments and contact the sender by reply email or telephone (800) 945-3294. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Exemption for Small Wireless ISPs
I believe the feds have secret deals with the telcos so they can do what ever they want besides calea. Just like I pointed out that fiber att wiretapping deal in the very first days of wispa calea discussion. This is where I see the imbalance, The little guys carry the weight and the big guys get gravy secret contracts that help shoulder the burden. I will still do what I have to do to be compliant. But there is a reality to the even handedness of this. George Jack Unger wrote: Dear cw, Thank you for your opinion. I respectfully disagree. There's nothing wrong with admitting that small local providers can't afford to comply with the same requirements that big carriers like ATT can comply with. That's the problem here; small local businesses are being asked to shell out more money than they can afford just so the FBI/DOJ/ATF/CIA/NSA/DHS can quickly and conveniently wiretap. As to whether the big carriers have provided input to the FCC (FBI/DOJ/ATF/CIA/NSA/DHS) on this issue; the jury is out on that question for the moment. jack P.S. - The issue of obtaining more spectrum from the FCC will be moot once the ranks of the small, local license-free spectrum users are thinned much further. In short, no one will be around to need any more spectrum. cw wrote: My opinion is that you're not helping the big picture by saying compliance is more than you can handle. The FCC is not going to go out of their way to hand out more spectrum to providers that can't perform basic requirements. Just like they're not going to help providers that refuse to file 475 forms. You can build a unix box for five hundred dollars that will do the job for you. Or you can buy a turnkey box with support for seven thousand. I've seen it suggested people pool their funds and share a $7000 turnkey box. If you can't do any of these things, then you can't provide required services. I don't like or trust government but I don't think they're out of line requiring providers be CALEA compliant. This one ain't special interests motivated. - cw Jack Unger wrote: Dear Representative Stupak, I'm writing to support your request on March 14, 2007 asking that the FCC Commissioners consider a waiver from CALEA regulations for small broadband providers. In a nutshell, the costs of complying with the CALEA provisions are far in excess of what small broadband providers can afford to pay. It is poor government policy to allow the costs of CALEA compliance to literally put small broadband providers out of business thereby denying broadband Internet access to many rural Americans. Do you plan to introduce legislation that directs the FCC to reconsider their regulations and to consider the compliance costs when regulating small Internet access providers? Please advise me how I can further support your effort to retain broadband Internet access service for rural Americans. Thank you for your time, interest, and efforts. Sincerely, Jack Unger P.S. - I am copying this email to the general email list maintained by the Wireless Internet Service Providers Association (WISPA.org) to help as many small ISPs as possible learn about and support your efforts in their behalf. I will forward your response to this list. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question
gas 3.20 per gallon here. $95.00 to fill my truck yesterday. Sheesh Marlon K. Schafer wrote: We have a line item of: Surcharge to cover the cost of a sales tax being charged against our fiber connection. Or words to that effect. We don't call it a tax, we specifically call it a surcharge. I think that several out here do something similar. We also charge a $10 trip charge anytime gas is over $2.50 per gallon in this area. If it hits anywhere close to $4 I'll likely raise that to $15. People don't like it but they do understand. Especially when nearly everyone else out here has also put on fuel charges. The only good thing about current gas prices is that crop prices are also way up. I'll take $3 fuel with $6 wheat any day :-) marlon - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question I think you better just take a rate increase and chalk it up to increased expenses all the way around as opposed to creating a CALEA charge line item. Adding a fee as a line item could get you in trouble with the FTC if not approved as a legitimate added government fee (just my opinion, nothing to base this on other than my gut). Your fuel and electricity have jumped considerably I am sure. I am considering a rate increase over these added costs also. I see no way around it. I have never raised my rates in 10 years. Times are changing I am afraid. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: I give up I just signed a contract to ensure my protection under CALEA. My hope is tht those that become compliant do not get underminded by those that have hidden in the bushes and took the risk upon themselves by not becoming compliant. It appears that it is time to start charging a homeland security fee. Since we cannot authorize taxes, we can charge fees that will allow us to mange these cost. By my figures, I will have to charge at least $1.53 per month per customer. Since this doens't include dialup customers, my broadband customers will have to incurr this burden alone. What are you thougths on this. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA Question Peter R. wrote: Why not check with a knowledgeable legal professional instead of guessing? That'd be my boss's department. :D I'm just a pundit - full of opinions and hot air. Now you can choose to ignore it, and say a prayer daily that Barney Fife or any other LEA officer does not knock on your door I'd encourage Barney Fife to knock on my door, I wouldn't mind having his autograph. Remember him from Three's Company? Edit: Apparently Don Knotts died last year. Now I'm sad. :( David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RURAL BROADBAND ACT REDEFINES USDA LOAN RECIPIENTS
http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/22967.html A new bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives aims to improve and re-focus an important broadband loan program to ensure that rural, unserved areas are properly targeted for investment in and development of this critical infrastructure. If passed, such reform could benefit incumbent telcos, competitive telephone companies and cable companies alike. Crafted by Reps. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-SD) and Jerry Moran (R-KS), and co-sponsored by Earl Pomeroy (D-ND), John Salazar (D-CO) and Adrian Smith (R-Neb), the bi-partisan Rural Utility Service Bill (H.R. 2035) promotes increased access to high-speed broadband Internet service in rural America. The bill would improve the Rural Utility Service Broadband Loan Program that provides federal loans to areas of rural America that don't have service; that law, however, has a loophole that allows nonrural areas and areas that already have broadband services to apply for these loans, thus depleting the cash set aside for the real rural America. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] commercial router
I thought that content filtering happened by way of dns. George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Do you have a content filtering service? Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] commercial router ImageStream? *ducking* :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 12:22 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] commercial router Hi All, I have a customer that's looking for a router that also does content filtering. What are people using these days? Prices? thanks, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz
How much? Dylan Oliver wrote: Brett Bonomo and Greg VanDell of Exalt provided amazing pre-sales support when I inquired about their 4.9 GHz gear for an RFP a few weeks ago. Exalt takes the cake in 4.9 GHz because of high guaranteed throughput (up to 55 Mbps goodput with 20 MHz channel) and sync, which would allow many more than two links to be deployed from a central location. They can also do sub-millisecond latency (or up to 5 ms for maximum throughput) and have adjustable channel sizes - down to 5 MHz, I believe, with 1 MHz spacing - to help one fit into cluttered spectrum. All of these things apply to the 5.xtri-band product, except that it can do 13 Mbps (in 8 MHz) to 216 Mbps (in 64 MHz). The integrated tri-band radio/antenna looks like the most flexible option out there right now for shorter links where any of the three bands would work. On 5/7/07, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.exaltcom.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Camera recommendation
I need to do some outdoor ip security cams and server. I need for 3 cams. Not really looking for pan tilt zoom as much as clarity and wider angle lens My customers budget for the cams and server software is bout 2k, Any recommendations? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] WAS: Are you for sale? NOW: Comcast 150 meg offering... YIKES
Well maybe this will make a few want to sell: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070509/ap_on_hi_te/fast_cable_modem Comcast Corp. Chief Executive Brian Roberts dazzled a cable industry audience Tuesday, showing off for the first time in public new technology that enabled a data download speed of 150 megabits per second, or roughly 25 times faster than today's standard cable modems. The cost of modems that would support the technology, called channel bonding, is not that dissimilar to modems today, he told The Associated Press after a demonstration at The Cable Show. It could be available within less than a couple years, he said. Personaly, I think this is premature hype. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RE: Are you for sale?
Jason wrote: Isn't this what we filed on March 12? Or is something else due? File your compliance plan, because that is where they will get you. A lot of us at WISPA have hired Kris Twoomey to handle the CALEA filings for us. I'm not sure how much it costs, lawyers are never cheap, but I feel safer having an attorney that is FCC versed handing this type of thing. I also was happy to hear Michael Erskine's post seeing he is part of the WISPA/CALEA team. I sounds at least in part more reasonable. I'm feel if a wisp is moving forward with CALEA compliance in a professionals manor, he is fairly safe, as long as he really is performing. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
It's hard for me to believe he can't get out of his contract. A customer of ours told me a couple years ago that there is some laws, maybe just in Oregon, not sure, that eliminate the early termination fees. I would dig deeper, there is no freaking way that you can be sold something like a cell phone service and have to pay if the service is sub standard. I would especially want to attack the 1200 bill. If they can sell you 1200 worth of service in one month, and the same amount of service for 50 more than your base bill, then I think there is also a giant hole in the contract. I bet there is a very easy unknown out for this and a refund as well. I would start with the state public utilities commission. Call the Governator, or your local senator or rep. Don't swallow everything being shoved down your throats by a telco. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month). Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a $1200 bill. He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular. *argh* That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup a standalone fax machine with the Cingular card? I can't contemplate anything at all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
David It's widely known Qwest has 1.5 meg and 6 meg service here, 1.5 megs being the standard offering. Verizon has more dead spots than swiss cheese. To tell a sub that it's faster than dsl and available everywhere is the biggest stretch I can think of. Which is the point, if you make a contract that is based on assumptions, assumptions brought on by the seller, regardless of whether a customer is sophisticated enough to do proper due diligence in the truthfulness of the offering seller is claiming. IE: it's faster than DSL = disclaimer: The slowest possible DSL, not the typical 1.5 meg and 6 meg DSL is being sold today. IE: Our service is available everywhere = disclaimer: Everywhere where our wireless signals reach, not including where they don't reach which is maybe 10-20 percent of our coverage area. So contracts can be broken without penalty, and without tarnishing a credit worthiness reputation Travis, when the contract is based on misleading information. The phone companies are full of misleading sales information. If they had to tell the truth it would be an entire different market. And Travis, my word is good as well, but don't think I won't kick someone in the crotch if I finding them taking advantage of me, contract or not. George David E. Smith wrote: George Rogato wrote: Words huh, thats the issue isn't it. You know how this stuff works, a customer calls cingular, sprint, verizon, and they get told barely the facts and then their bill comes in much higher with added costs. This only happens if you don't read the contract. (I feel that anyone who signs up for this kind of service online or over the phone is nuts. Go to the store - there's about five of them in every major shopping mall in this country - and READ THE BLEEPING CONTRACT.) I've bought a few cell phones and signed a few contracts in my day, and as contracts go, the language is generally pretty clear. If something doesn't make sense, it's in the salesperson's best interest to try to explain it, clearly and accurately, so you don't return the phone or data card. (Said contracts usually have an escape clause in the first two to four weeks.) I had a sub have me do a site survey last week. I Couldn't give him service and explained his options to him. Verizon told him that their cellular broadband was much much faster than qwest dsl and he could take it anywhere. A blatant lie told to an unsuspecting customer. This statement may be potentially misleading, but I don't see where it's untrue. A wireless broadband card can be faster than a low-quality DSL connection, and as long as you append anywhere you can receive cell signal to the sentence, it's technically correct. It's like saying how fast is a car? Is your car a shiny new Mustang or a thirty-year-old rusty pickup? You can't compare wireless to DSL, period. There's more to it than just a name. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The Next Big Thing in Wireless
For resi customers I can see the expense being an issue. But for wisps infrastructure, not so much of an issue if the bandwidth is high enough. George Jory Privet wrote: Sounds like a great idea. I only have one issue from what I read here, $500 per link seems high. Most ISPs complain about the $250 they pay now for CPEs. Jory Privett WCCS -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CLEC Services
I'm sure Peter can help, but I'm curious why the clec doesn't know these things, aren't they a facilities based clec with interconection agreement with the ilec? George Rick Harnish wrote: Peter is no longer suspended and I agree with Mac! Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 1:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] CLEC Services Doug, I can give you a name of a man who can take you by the hand and lead you through the wildness of the Telco maze as well as explain it to where you can understand it all. I can also tell you he is ABSOLUTELY worth more than he charges for consulting! His name is Peter Radizeski and he is member on the free WISPA list - - currently suspended for - - er...well, less than perfect list etiquette (hehehehehe) Email addy: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rad-info.net/ GL, Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief) www.mac-tel.us (VoIP sales) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 318.303.4182 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] CLEC Services We have a CLEC who's co-located their offices with ours, and although they're residential copper analog only, they told us they can order anything from the ILEC for us for cost and a small markup. But it's Bellsouth territory, and he's given me the tech line's phone number and a big book of services, but I don't even know where to start. I'm looking for prices on T1's, and also DSL I can sell private label with my own TOS. I don't want to have any facilities to install at the CO, just use the CO's equipment under the CLEC's name but I don't even know what services to request. Any ideas where to start? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
David E. Smith wrote: JohnnyO wrote: Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is why I can't consider an outsourced email plan. Aside from a couple thousand email accounts, I also offer imap and have an unlimited quota to quite a few subs that use their imap feature to hold emails or to send very large files. Makes it hard when outsourced has these limits to work around. But I'm sure there are many who could benefit from outsourced mail. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Frank, you are right on Dee, you owe Frank Muto an immediate apology. Frank is a paid WISPA vendor member and has supported WISPA efforts in so many ways that no other vendor or wireless member has come close to. You Dee, have been on the various wireless lists for many years and you fully understand the ramifications of your blatant advertizing post, which aside from being sneaky also bashes a WISPA member. So the two things you need to do, is apologize to Frank and buy a membership or do not post any more advetizing baloney again. If you don't apologize to Frank, you will be quickly removed. I regret having to take this approach, but you Dee know the rules and this is where the rubber hits the road. George Frank Muto wrote: As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
You were a bit nicer than I was Rick, and I actually like Dee. George Rick Harnish wrote: I do have to agree with Frank here. Dee, please contact the WISPA board if you plan on promoting your sales position with Barracuda on this list, especially at the expense of a paying Vendor member.I'm sure each product has a place or a niche that works for some and doesn't work for others. There is no reason for one vendor to be slamming another on the WISPA lists. If you wish to become a vendor member, please go to http://signup.wispa.org, then you will be able to send advertisements to the list members and support our industry at the same time. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
John Scrivner wrote: Very good points George. Frank has definitely worked hard to show his support of WISPA and deserves our gratitude for sure. Frank, we all thank you for everything you have done and continue to do for WISPA. You are a friend to our organization and we appreciate you very much. Just so you guys all know. I see that Dee has sent in his application for Vendor Membership to WISPA. He is not paid up yet but it appears he is taking steps to put his money where his mouth is. Alls well that ends well.:-) Scriv I never once doubted Dee's integrity. He has been around us for many years and contributed to the betterment of our industry. I'm glad he is taking this approach and helping support WISPA. There is nothing worse than those who take and never give. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: My suspicion is you'll get the support if you represent what people want. People vote with their feet and pocketbooks. I've seen a lot of good people leave. I've seen a lot of good people forced out because the GOB's could not stand them. And I've seen a lot of good people (mostly everybody on this list) not support WISPA financially. You know Lonnie, I consider you a friend of mine, but I just can't say that I have seen that many people leave. I have seen more people decide to join. Join means actually paying a membership fee not just participate on list. As for the good old boys. I'm not so sure I see much of what you perceive you are seeing. Either there is a whole other board list that left me out or it's just not the situation. I don't consider myself to be a good old boy. I think the other board members who actually contribute behind the scenes do a wonderful job. The hardest working guy on the board, and by far he IS the #1 hardest working guy on the board is Marlon and he is leaving the board voluntarily because of lack of time. How many ways can you split Marlon up? I think Marlon thinks the board is one way too many. And he has decided to open a position for someone else to take a shot at doing something. My respect for Marlon has grown 10 fold. Even if I disagree with some of his opinions, I believe he is just trying his hardest best. I would venture to guess that if we all put down our swords and shields and forgot about those things in the past that have prejudiced us against each other, we would be far more better off and this organization would be an even better asset to the wisp industry. I personally harbor no ill feelings against anyone. I may have my opinions, but in no way shape or form do I have anything but goodwill towards everyone. Sure there are some of us here who are short, crude or rude or rush to judgment, but we are after all just human and none of us are perfect. We make mistakes. I prefer to look past the faults that anyone has and look for the good in everyone. Lonnie, WISPA can still use your support. You asked certain things a couple months ago as a prerequisite to again supporting WISPA with a vendor membership and we have done these things mostly and want to remind you that we are an organization of various opinions / ideas who are just trying to do things that will make being a wisp that much better. There is no good old boys club. Sincerely George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Thanks Lonnie My only goal for WISPA is to unite us all, divided we fail. Even if I'm off base, I'm just one opinion. George Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: You have shown your good nature many, many times George. Thanks for the hard work and peace making. Are you sure you're not Canadian? Lonnie On 5/17/07, George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie Nunweiler wrote: My suspicion is you'll get the support if you represent what people want. People vote with their feet and pocketbooks. I've seen a lot of good people leave. I've seen a lot of good people forced out because the GOB's could not stand them. And I've seen a lot of good people (mostly everybody on this list) not support WISPA financially. You know Lonnie, I consider you a friend of mine, but I just can't say that I have seen that many people leave. I have seen more people decide to join. Join means actually paying a membership fee not just participate on list. As for the good old boys. I'm not so sure I see much of what you perceive you are seeing. Either there is a whole other board list that left me out or it's just not the situation. I don't consider myself to be a good old boy. I think the other board members who actually contribute behind the scenes do a wonderful job. The hardest working guy on the board, and by far he IS the #1 hardest working guy on the board is Marlon and he is leaving the board voluntarily because of lack of time. How many ways can you split Marlon up? I think Marlon thinks the board is one way too many. And he has decided to open a position for someone else to take a shot at doing something. My respect for Marlon has grown 10 fold. Even if I disagree with some of his opinions, I believe he is just trying his hardest best. I would venture to guess that if we all put down our swords and shields and forgot about those things in the past that have prejudiced us against each other, we would be far more better off and this organization would be an even better asset to the wisp industry. I personally harbor no ill feelings against anyone. I may have my opinions, but in no way shape or form do I have anything but goodwill towards everyone. Sure there are some of us here who are short, crude or rude or rush to judgment, but we are after all just human and none of us are perfect. We make mistakes. I prefer to look past the faults that anyone has and look for the good in everyone. Lonnie, WISPA can still use your support. You asked certain things a couple months ago as a prerequisite to again supporting WISPA with a vendor membership and we have done these things mostly and want to remind you that we are an organization of various opinions / ideas who are just trying to do things that will make being a wisp that much better. There is no good old boys club. Sincerely George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 180* sector choices
(and antennas) as far as possible. 2. Using three APs that are configured on frequencies that are too close together and are interfering with each other? [Mac says:] Unless we deploy 4 90* sectors we use non overlapping channels (1, 6 11) I guess what I'm asking is (before you go spend money on antennas that may or may not solve the problem) what equipment are you currently using, how is it configured, and how far apart can you actually get three sector antennas on the 25G tower? jack [Mac says:] I have come to the conclusion that it is interference from the backplane of the antennas due to not having adequate separation from each other. These small towers (although 180') like Rohn 25G aren't but 12 across - so you wind up with the 3 sectors only 1' apart at their bases. I wish you had some more ideas :-), but thanks for the thought and the time! Mac -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $25 is cheap insurance... Was: What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Frank Muto wrote: Now this is spot on. WISPA is an ADVOCATE for the WISP industry. It should never become, IMO an association buying group. Sure vendors may look at WISPA as a market channel and wish to support it with paid advertisements and sponsorships. But, unless there is enough accountable (not made up numbers)membership they may not care to support the organization. Thank you for the lead in Frank. My belief is, after having the buying group idea tossed around is for the vendors to offer the WISPA membership a special discount that only WISPA members can have. It's cleaner. This is what WISPA needs to negotiate and work on. You have already done this. Your offer of paying for any wisp's 250.00 membership fee was very very good offer and a benefit to WISPA members. Before I ran for the board I was about to start a wireless assembly business and I had a special discount for WISPA only members. check out www.warvx.com and notice the special wispa discount listed on the right hand side under news. WISPA eventually will get more vendors offering our membership special discounts. I've talked to various vendors myself and hear the maybe and pretty soon words. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dues Value was What is WISPA?
Scott That was just an idea. It's not the way it is. Dues are simple 250.00 per year for a wisp , 1,000 for a vendor. In the early formation days of WISPA the subject of how and how much to pay was tossed around and Marlon had a per wireless sub plan. I recommended 1,000 per wisp because I felt there would not be enough wisps to support wispa and there has to be enough dues to keep the association going and give it enough money to work with to get things done. Quite a few of the very small wisps didn't feel they could pay more than a couple hundred dollars per year. So affordability won out and the dues are an easy 250.00 per year or 25.00 per month and we take credit cards. Pretty much most of the people who have payed dues realize that like my business and yours we need revenues to continue on, we are hoping that a lot more wisps join so that WISPA can get some things done. We also need members to step forward and help out via the special committees. We have some that are kind of dormant that could use help and WISPA is willing to start new ones that anyone wants to create. George Scott Lambert wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 10:17:22AM -0700, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I wanted to make the dues $1 per year per customer. Now, is that $1 per wireless customer, or per customer in general? I work for an old style ISP who has several thousand customers but only a few hundred of them are wireless. I just joined the lists to see if WISPA is something we need to be involved in. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm)
Bob, I posted an article on the chat list about immigration, birth rates and population shifts over the next 20 years yesterday. It was an interesting article in the Smithsonian Magazine I read while at the dentist office. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/issues/2006/october/presence.php Very interesting outcome is expected. I was surprised myself and I would recommend anyone who is worried about immigrants to read it. George Lakeland wrote: Been too busy. I have no life. My Calea solution is a snap. Set the whole system up on a crappy removal hard drive that doesn't store data. When the feds show up, pull the hard drive and give it to them. When they complain tell them it worked when you gave it to them! The feds love semantics. :-) There is not enough money to be made as a WISP (a few excluded) to be bothered with all that nonsense IMHO. I know its the law but so is illegal immigration. Sheesh...I have over 40,000 illegal aliens within 25 miles of my office doing work off the books and the federal government isn't doing anything about them. I'm off to my next job. Later... -B- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 writes: LOL Google is sometimes very helpful. I love the Blues Brothers! I knew just what I wanted but couldn't remember the exact quote. Took all of 30 seconds to find it. Now if only a nice CALEA solution was that fast :-) How have you been stranger? I tried calling a couple of times but only got voice jail. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Lakeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Re: Waltonville (third time's the charm) You sir have too much time on your hands. :-) -B- Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 writes: I'm sorry! No I didn't. Honest... I ran out of gas. I, I had a flat tire. I didn't have enough money for cab fare. My tux didn't come back from the cleaners. An old friend came in from out of town. Someone stole my car. There was an earthquake. A terrible flood. Locusts. IT WASN'T MY FAULT, I SWEAR TO GOD. I'm even built like Jake! hehehehee For those that don't get it: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080455/quotes Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Dangit Marlon - I thought you were going to take care of this ! If your performance and timeliness doesn't improve immediately, I'll have you in Idaho pickin potatoes ! JohnnyO - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [wireless] Waltonville (third time's the charm)] Why wasn't this done yesterday? I asked that it be done then. The people of Waltonville deserve better than three days of bad service. Scriv David E. Smith wrote: Apparently, we will have to run new Ethernet cable at the Waltonville tower, as we've now replaced basically everything else there and the AP is still doing weird freaky stuff. yay. Tell Ron I'm sorry, then clear his morning schedule. dave --- -- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, NY 11741 800-479-9195 631-286-8873 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless
[WISPA] It's Rhody Days here in Florence Oregon
My home town is celebrating our 100th Rhody Festival. It's the biggest celebration here on the Central Oregon Coast. The town fills up with motorcycles and we have parades, celebrations and a lot of fun. People come from all over the country for the weekend. We are also a Distinguished Sponsor of the Florence Chamber of Commerce. Part of the dues is the local TV station does a nice commercial. Here's mine: http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Commercial/YourConnection.mov -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What is WISPA? was Promotion of services on-list
Chadd Thompson wrote: Does WISPA seek input from members when dealing with issues like this? Or is everything decided by a group of officers? In other words how does the ORG run on a day to day basis, how are decisions made, how does it decide what battles to fight, how does it determine what stance to take on issues? Chadd We really really want wisps to join participate get involved help advise and bring ideas to the table. Some wisps help by sending a check and don't have the time to do much more than that. They don't even subscribe to this list. We all are grateful to them as well. But I think your active well thought out ideas and advice is a part of the consensus building that is needed to help lead WISPA in the right direction. So yeah we want your input/help. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] It's Rhody Days here in Florence Oregon
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that a Premium Distinguished Sponsor of this Chamber of Commerce is only $5,000.00 per year. 5 grand and I get a bunch of advertising, that does not have any immediate return. So I get a couple commercials and my name is always thanked on the radio during festivals and such. Next big one is Chowder Blues and Brews Festival. Now compare that to the very low and very affordable price of 250.00 per year that it cost me to be a member in good standing in the most exclusive Wireless Internet Service Provider Association is the world. One that gives me up to the minute news and information from all you insiders point of view in this wonderful world of wispdom. Which is the better value? WISPA $250.00 dues that make you smarter and better or Local Community Support $5,000.00 George Rogato wrote: My home town is celebrating our 100th Rhody Festival. It's the biggest celebration here on the Central Oregon Coast. The town fills up with motorcycles and we have parades, celebrations and a lot of fun. People come from all over the country for the weekend. We are also a Distinguished Sponsor of the Florence Chamber of Commerce. Part of the dues is the local TV station does a nice commercial. Here's mine: http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/Commercial/YourConnection.mov -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] consumer credit checking solutions
That guy was just gaming you. Probably why the other wisp wouldn't turn him on. We charge first month and last month to turn on and a 30 day written notice to disconnect. We also do not give any refunds on prepaid service and the customer actually signs on the dotted line acknowledging this. We also charge 175.00 in up front set up and activation fees to force the sub to make an investment. Too many people from the dial days have tried to beat the system. George Mark Nash wrote: Have to vent on this one, although I'm taking it a little off topic. Guy calls me up saying that another wireless company couldn't connect him and he actually bad-mouthed that company to me on the sales call because that company couldn't get to him for a week. He wants me to waive my $199 installation fee because the other company did. I say no, but we have a '30-day satisfaction policy' that will give him his money back if he didn't like the service. So we install service within a couple days and get him up and running. Well he calls up after 4 days of service and my tech talks with him. He has moved and doesn't want our service. No big deal...it happens... EXCEPT... The dude knew about it about a half hour BEFORE my installer got there to do the wireless installation (as he told my tech). And he said 'Mark said that I could get my money back'. Well, I'm not going to give him his money back due to the way he treated the resources of my business. He knew that he was not going to take our service and expected something for nothing. He did not disconnect due to dissatisfaction, and as far as I'm concerned he's just going to have to learn a lesson here on basic human treatment. In 6 years, I've never had anything like this. Blech Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] consumer credit checking solutions heya Rick. Where ya been? We just don't let people get more than a month or two into us. Then we shut them off. Haven't had much of a problem. Why do you want to check on people? marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Kunze [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: [WISPA] consumer credit checking solutions Anyone out there using any credit checking solutions to check the credit worthiness of new sign-ups? Consumer credit checking or the like? Recommendations? Rk -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Best night cameras
I need cameras that will take pictures in the night. Something that is reasonable in price and maybe can catch a license plate number. It does not have to be an ip camera. Does anyone have experience in this? -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best night cameras
Thanks Any experience with nite time captures? Costs? Jonathan Schmidt wrote: George, I use these and find them exceptional. They see in brilliant color in the day (up to 5 megapixels) and have night mode that's BW but equal in resolution and will see a lot more than you can but isn't for total darkness. It can read a plate at 100 feet, I'd guess, in moonlight, and still catch a wide image (you can digitally zoom up...not bad when you start with 5 megapixels). If you want, I can send you an image or try their site: http://www.iqeye.com/productlist.html It is an IP camera that has Web access, very rich triggering options including selected parts of the image for e-mail or FTP. It doesn't have an AP built in, however, so you need PoE or other power. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Best night cameras I need cameras that will take pictures in the night. Something that is reasonable in price and maybe can catch a license plate number. It does not have to be an ip camera. Does anyone have experience in this? -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] strange connectivity issues
Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Vista is a disaster. Crappy interface. Hides everything in strange places and in non intuitive fashion. I seen Vista for the first time a couple weeks ago. I felt stupid not being able to navigate so easily in front of the customer. Now I need to upgrade to Vista on my personal machines so that I can acquainted. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Standing Towers
I second that. How much is a 190' Nello tower costing you. Thanks George D. Ryan Spott wrote: Can you give us a round about price for what this thing cost you and perhaps where you bought it? Thanks! ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Free Standing Towers I just put up a Nello tower that is 190' tall. It is similar to a Rohn SSV, but I got better wind-loading compared to any of the others. Mine has a 3 1/2' face at the top, and can withstand about 110ft^2 of surface area. I would definitely recommend it. I was a bit leery of the hollow legs. Hollow towers rust from the inside out, and you can't usually tell until it is too late. This is electro-galvanized, so it is plated well. Only time will tell. I can send pictures if you would like. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Shaw Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Free Standing Towers Folks, I'm looking for a good free-standing tower. I need to be able to choose between 150' and 190' and it needs to be able to handle your typical WISP needs. I already know about the Trylon SuperTitan and while they seem to serve the purpose, they are really hard to maneuver around on when you get to the top. What are you guys using for free-standing towers at these heights? Kelly Shaw Pure Internet -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Man described as a top spammer arrested
SEATTLE - A 27-year-old man described as one of the world's most prolific spammers was arrested Wednesday, and federal authorities said computer users across the Web could notice a decrease in the amount of junk e-mail. Robert Alan Soloway is accused of using networks of compromised zombie computers to send out millions upon millions of spam e-mails. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070531/ap_on_hi_te/spam_arrest;_ylt=Ap5pTizGLm70UMCONge8NNtk24cA -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013 “By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a huge problem for ATT and Verizon. And an important social issue as well.” http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
Sam, I thought it was an outrageous statement to be made myself. Figured it might be good for list discussion. George Sam Tetherow wrote: Hmm, I'll take that bet. People that make these types of claims obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting off the beaten path to individuals homes. Some times it really is more economical to string copper than put up towers. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless George Rogato wrote: Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013 “By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a huge problem for ATT and Verizon. And an important social issue as well.” http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
I've been pricing fiber for a fiber project I'll be doing. I was shocked to find underground direct fiber for under .25 per foot. I'm pretty certain that my underground cat 5 costs more. George chris cooper wrote: I was at a meeting yesterday that had several large carriers present. One of the carriers made the comment that they are migrating away from copper for new deployments. He said that FTTH is now cheaper than copper due to increased material costs. c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013 Thats Funny. Like A inplace copper plant is more costly to maintain than a new Fiber network? Not likely. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dawn DiPietro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013 Sam, My guess is these areas will be sold off to the smaller regional companies with less overhead or they will muscle the states into footing the bill. As someone once said No one wants to be in office when the copper networks go dark. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Sam Tetherow wrote: I don't deny any of that, but I'd be pretty pissed as a telco customer if they are allowed to pull out of those areas. A very large amount of money has been funneled through the USF program so that voice lines are available in the hinterlands. How many millions of USF dollars has Verizon pulled out of their Northern New England customers? I would be very willing to bet that it is significantly more than they have spent on maintaining the copper to those customers. Yes the rural areas a losing money which is why the USF existed in the first place, someone decided that all telco customers should fund voice to every home regardless of its economic viability. Right or wrong, that was the deal they signed on for, they have taken the money for this long but now when they are having to make sizable reinvestment they are trying to weasel their way out of it. However, the real point of my reply on the email was that some customers are still more economically served via copper rather than wireless. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs. 100 would be good. It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen 5gig and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited. George Gino Villarini wrote: George How much bandwidth needed, range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). 2.5 miles Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the highest Rain/Fog zones (Fade). Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend. He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
Range is about 2.5 miles It crosses a river and the river is fogged in many many mornings. We also are considered a rain forest. Licensed is the preference unless there is something not in the typical 5 gig 2 gig frequencies. George Gino Villarini wrote: Range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs. 100 would be good. It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen 5gig and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited. George Gino Villarini wrote: George How much bandwidth needed, range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). 2.5 miles Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the highest Rain/Fog zones (Fade). Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend. He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
Whats under 15k and licensed? George Tom DeReggi wrote: E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). 2.5 miles Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the highest Rain/Fog zones (Fade). Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend. He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
I'm hoping to avoid the 5.4 stuff. Figure 5.4 will soon be multi point stuff. I hate to shoot myself in the foot with that. George Gino Villarini wrote: Redline AN80 in 5.4 up ghz to 90 mbps Motorola PTP 600 (aka Spectra) in 5.4 ghz (available soon) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Range is about 2.5 miles It crosses a river and the river is fogged in many many mornings. We also are considered a rain forest. Licensed is the preference unless there is something not in the typical 5 gig 2 gig frequencies. George Gino Villarini wrote: Range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga I would like something fast and duplex. Guess fast would be 45 megs. 100 would be good. It's a back haul from a fiber feed and it's serving a half a dozen 5gig and 2 gig ap's that are not rate limited. George Gino Villarini wrote: George How much bandwidth needed, range ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). 2.5 miles Not Likely in George's neck of the woods. I think he's in one of the highest Rain/Fog zones (Fade). Possibly Bridgewave's AR80X, if he's got 30+ grand to spend. He's better off with Licensed, which he'll be able to do under 15K. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Check manufacturers in the That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga -- Dragonwave Horizon
Thanks Charles Charles Wu wrote: George, DragonWave 18 Ghz Horizon will most likely do the job for you -- here's a web link for more info: http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/products-horizon.asp What's nice about it is that you can buy it at 50 Mb, and upgrade it (via software) up to 400 Mb The scary thing is the price of licensed radios have come down so far that once you get above 50 Mb FD, it's almost cheaper to go licensed I'll ping you offlist with info -Charles CTI Dragonwave Distributor PAID WISPA Vendor Member -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems
Alan, I was an electrician for just about 30 years. Drywallers with routers in their hands are one the most dangerous things . George Alan Cain wrote: Tim Wolfe wrote: I was reading this thread, and I had a thought (scary thing!, LOL), it it possible that inside the conduit, there is a rough edge (maybe the edge of a junction box if you are not using LBE's?) that scraped off the outside covering and you now have exposed wires that you can not see?. Perhaps the wires are exposed somewhere and a little bit of moisture (even humidity) got inside the conduit and is causing the errors?. It would really be a long shot, as this rough edge would have to scrape off the shielding from both CAT5 cables, but I have seen stranger things. I have also had problems in the past from bad ballasts in flourescent lights. Even if they are a few feet away, they make all sorts of strange things happen. Another place to look is bad power supplies. I installed a radio at a customers home one time that had a power supply. It made noise thru every computer speaker. As soon as you unplugged the power supply, the noise went away. It also would allow the radio to boot up, but the ethernet was just screwy, sometimes passing packets, sometimes not. Good luck in your search!. Tim I just repaired an install done while the walls were open; the drywallers used a motor router to cut the junction box holes and went to a GREAT deal of effort to nick the wires in multiple locations. Sadly, I know these guys. ID10Tz. Oh well. I did not do the repair for free. The idea of frayed wires is a very good one. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems
We had an issue before with the first wrap board causing interference on the ethernet run. It was the first release of a wrap board. When we plugged into the ethernet at the bottom of the tower we got terrible packet loss pinging the radio on the other end of the ethernet run at the top of the tower. We replaced the non shielded cable with shielded cable and grounded one end. Problem went away. We Also had a couple Trango ap's and a Proxim ap for quite some time before installing that wrap, all wired with outdoor rated non shielded cat5 cable, without issue. So the issue was with the wrap board and something else on the tower interfering with it. We don't have this issue with war boards or the newer wrap boards. Not sure if this is a clue or not. George Mike Hammett wrote: One the end of the cable I pulled through the entire length of the conduit, I don't see anything worse than rubbed off lettering. I have tried different PoE injectors with no difference. I just tried a 48v instead of an 18v and it isn't any better. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Tim Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet problems I was reading this thread, and I had a thought (scary thing!, LOL), it it possible that inside the conduit, there is a rough edge (maybe the edge of a junction box if you are not using LBE's?) that scraped off the outside covering and you now have exposed wires that you can not see?. Perhaps the wires are exposed somewhere and a little bit of moisture (even humidity) got inside the conduit and is causing the errors?. It would really be a long shot, as this rough edge would have to scrape off the shielding from both CAT5 cables, but I have seen stranger things. I have also had problems in the past from bad ballasts in flourescent lights. Even if they are a few feet away, they make all sorts of strange things happen. Another place to look is bad power supplies. I installed a radio at a customers home one time that had a power supply. It made noise thru every computer speaker. As soon as you unplugged the power supply, the noise went away. It also would allow the radio to boot up, but the ethernet was just screwy, sometimes passing packets, sometimes not. Good luck in your search!. Tim Russ Kreigh wrote: What if you plug directly (or as direct as you can) into the Mikrotik CPE with your laptop?? -Russ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 4:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet problems I installed a customer in October and started having Ethernet problems in March. I have an approximately 200' Ethernet run from the top of a TV tower, to the house, and through the basement. I installed a Belden? outdoor Cat5E cable, a Mohawk outdoor gel cable, a rope for future cable additions, and an RG6 quad shield TV cable in a conduit. Numerous times I cut off slack on both ends of the original cable (the Belden). All that fixed the problem was turning off auto negotiation and setting it to 100 HDX. A few weeks later the problems returned, and I set it to 10 HDX. Now, maybe 6 weeks later the problem is back. I switched to the Mohawk cable. I put on a different PoE injector and a different ECS cable (PacWireless cable that provides an Ethernet jack on the outside of the enclosure and has a 1' pigtail that plugs into the Mikrotik board. Problem remains. The Mikrotik is getting power as it associates with my tower and the two clients off an AP installed on the same board work just fine. I tried different patch cables from the injectors to the laptop\desktop. I really don't want to pull 200' of cable only to have it not work again. Does anyone have a good Ethernet tester I can borrow\rent? Not one that just says if the pins make it (I had one of those and it said the cable was fine), but one that is a bit more advanced. From my understanding, these are $800 - $5k units. Someone close to Northern Illinois would be best. I'm out of ideas. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How can this be?
Rick Harnish wrote: Fastest and most reliable does not equate to broadband penetration which his where the US is lagging. I can tell you, my penetration is not lagging! woo hoo I'm on my 4th install today. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How can this be?
http://telephonyonline.com/access/news/broadband_subscribers_instat_053007/ Broadband subscriber base to double by 2011 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Ralph wrote: whatever roo-tenna or tupperware box -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Matt The reason we like stuff MT and Star, it works and we like it. The future is arriving, there will be lots of new certified Star and MT products to choose from. http://forums.star-os.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=67stc=1d=1180571824 That one is called the Can-O-War. See it looks like a canopy, but is actually a Star War board. hence, can of war! Matt Liotta wrote: Smith, Rick wrote: From what I've seen to date; Alvarion / Canopy / Trango backhaul equipment - they are merely (sometimes fancy) bridges. I don't know about all vendors, but Canopy APs certainly can be configured to route. Additionally, the Deliberant radios I have seen do routing as well. I only bring them up because they make use of miniPCI cards for their radios as well. I prefer to route. Everything. Let's not start a war there, either pls. Not looking for a war; just an answer to my earlier question in regard to choosing an uncertified MT system vs a certified system. Ubiquity does NOT have to certify the whole system - they have to cert the miniPCI card - which I believe is already done. The whole system is up to whoever wants to certify it and then sell it as a system. Alright, but then you are still stuck waiting on someone to certify a system. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Travis Johnson wrote: I said this several months ago and I'll say it again MT and Star-OS are used because of price. Period. Thats right, MT and Star are priced to the point a wisp can make the market happen a whole lot faster than other more expensive solutions. The guys that cherry pick T-1 prices will never understand the pressures the wisp who is trying to bring broadband to the 40.00 market has. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
The issue of certification is a simple one. Certs are only good for the assembler or complete system manufacturer. If you assemble your own, you need to get your own certs. MT and Star do not sell assembled products, yet. hence you can't buy their certified system, you have to make your own. We do have a cert list at wispa, contact Jack Unger if your a paid wispa member. George D. Ryan Spott wrote: I will pay $500 over the price of an unlicensed Microtik if I can get one with the cute little FCC sticker on it. Did you hear that kids? $500 over the MSRP! I have 8 APs (only one is a Microtik at this time) that I would like to replace. I think I paid $185 for the RB500 with the software pre-installed, $8 for the pigtail and $45 for the small electrical box it is sealed in. So around $250 for the whole thing including shipping and tax. I am offering to pay $750 (300% markup based on MSRP!) for this item with the cute little FCC sticker on the box. I will buy 8 from whomever can present this to me. And I am a SMALL operator! Who wants to sell this to me? My credit card is standing by. ryan - The troll trying to kill this thread. :P -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 4:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble Ryan, Currently a typical MT AP with wireless card, outdoor case, pigtails, etc. with an RB532 board is going to be about $350ish without antenna. Can you give an example of what this PREMIUM price is that you are willing to pay for the same system certified? Travis Microserv D. Ryan Spott wrote: I don't really care for the whole discussion of whether certified gear should be used or not. Every piece of gear has advantages and disadvantages as well as pricing considerations. Regardless of whether someone is willing to use uncertified gear, I am sure that given the choice between uncertified and certified everyone would choose certified every time. Therefore, uncertified gear is at a disadvantage to other gear, so it must make up for this disadvantage some other way or no one would choose it. What is MT's advantage? In a word, horsepower. I am considering taking a collection for the fee required to have the a Microtik based system certified. I wish one of the bigger players out there would just DO this. I would pay a PREMIUM for an AP with the horsepower and features that the Microtik offers. ryan -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Dawn, Just how many wisp customers did you have in your short career as a wisp? Why is it that some people who don't actually participate in running a wireless service want to come in and try to tell us how to run our wisps? Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, I have come to the conclusion that there are some on this list that think FCC certification is up for debate. There may be a need for clarification in some cases but like it or not the FCC has the final say in what can and cannot be certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Matt Liotta wrote: George Rogato wrote: Dawn, Just how many wisp customers did you have in your short career as a wisp? Why is it that some people who don't actually participate in running a wireless service want to come in and try to tell us how to run our wisps? I don't think that is fair. It isn't Dawn telling you how to run your WISP in this case; it is the FCC. -Matt Nope, it's only you guys that have anything to say. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: Is that really a necessary question, It sure is to find out where she's coming from. As a wisp, a long term wisp, as the person that bootstrapped this tiny bbs-isp from the dial up days in 99 to where we are today, who has put his money where his mouth is, and taken all the risks of mine and my families security to bring broadband at an affordable price to an underserved market and create jobs and commerce from where there were none, I find it odd that those that don't have a stake in anything have so much to say about us that do. I don't mind advice, but it's a broken record with not much more being brought to the table for my benefit. Maybe for someone's ego, but not my benefit. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
I wonder how many wisps who would usually discuss their infrastructure and talk about their issues and performance of the equipment they are using, etc, no longer say a word on this list because of the fear mongers who have them running scared? We used to have lots of wisps discussing this stuff in detail, not any longer. Matt Liotta wrote: This has become a ridiculous thread. Dawn's customer experience is irrelevant in this case. Plenty of operators who have lots of customers (including me) understand and agree with the position presented. Don't kill the messenger! The FCC makes the rules; not Dawn or me or any of the other folks who have made accurate statements regarding certification. Use of certified equipment is required by law. Many people break laws for a variety of reasons, but that doesn't change the law. For example, everyday I drive over the speed limit and occasionally I am fined for doing so. -Matt Brad Belton wrote: How would the number of customers I had on my network have any bearing on this discussion? Well, it's a lot like having a medical intern weigh in on what a resident is more qualified to answer. Certainly the intern is not to be considered a dummy, but the intern's general lack of tenure, real world experience and overall knowledge can not be considered equal to an experienced resident. Questioning your ISP experience and specifically your fixed wireless experience is certainly relevant to this discussion. Anyone that has scaled their operation beyond a few dozen or even a few hundred clients knows the difficulty and complexity is compounded. It is quite a different animal to run an ISP with several thousand users behind it as compared to a few hundred. No offense is intended Dawn. I enjoy reading your posts and agree with your FCC Certification Crusade, but until you have walked a mile (or more in many cases) in the shoes of those you are speaking of many will rightly question what you offer here as the gospel. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble George, As I said in my post wireless providers do not get to decide what has to be certified this is up to the FCC and if there are any questions they need to be clarified not argued against which seems to be the norm among some on this list. How would the number of customers I had on my network have any bearing on this discussion? Regards, Dawn DiPietro George Rogato wrote: Dawn, Just how many wisp customers did you have in your short career as a wisp? Why is it that some people who don't actually participate in running a wireless service want to come in and try to tell us how to run our wisps? Dawn DiPietro wrote: All, I have come to the conclusion that there are some on this list that think FCC certification is up for debate. There may be a need for clarification in some cases but like it or not the FCC has the final say in what can and cannot be certified. Regards, Dawn DiPietro -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: Not Babble: WAS Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
Joe wrote: Not sure about now but when smartbridges came out with Nexus line it had a a few extra channells. And it was certified. Did you know it was Pac Wireless who paid for the certifications on the original Smart Bridges, not Smart Bridges? -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites
In this instance, WISPA needs to make an official stance to publicly state that we oppose any and all legislation requiring an isp to block this or other sites, pharmaceutical or not. We are not the censors of the internet and it's a slippery slope when we take on that roll. George Matt wrote: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/05/17/senate-pushes-web-pharmacy-regulations or http://tinyurl.com/2cl7cs Personally I think its great they are finally doing something about online pharmacies but requiring ISP's to block sites is ridiculous. What will be next. It should be completely illegal to use or actively participate in the use of email or telemarketing for the marketing of prescription drugs directly to consumers. Credit card processing companies should be held liable as well. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Candidate Questions
these questions so people can decide who they want to represent them in the next year. John Scrivner -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Candidate Questions
Ok I screwed up and sent it to the wrong list. George George Rogato wrote: Thank you for the opportunity to highlight my views for the future of WISPA and for allowing me to serve you as a Board of Director. As the Treasurer and a Director of WISPA, I will continue my roll in building membership and growing WISPA as thee wisp industry organization, to be more effective in the legislation that effects our industry. Over the past year I have taken the task of promoting membership and have enjoyed success in growing our membership through my active and outspoken efforts. Membership and the financial health of WISPA is a top priority. Unfortunately as positive as this past year has been for membership enrollment, it's not enough. I have brought forward to the board a proposal to hire a part time to full time WISPA membership employee. Although it did have a positive response from most of the other Board, we have not taken this next step to hire a WISPA person. Sometimes things don't happen fast enough. This next term, I will push WISPA in this direction. It's important to understand that in order to be effective, we need more help and we need more members to help. We need more organizational help. Help can be as simple as being vocal, or taking part on a special interest committee. Also important is that WISPA as a group understands that it represents a cross section of our industry made up of different beliefs, practices, and opinions. In order to evoke change and to help our industry grow in a direction that benefits us all, we need all wisps, no matter how small or how they think. WISPA represents ALL wisps. I will continue to promote membership in WISPA to help grow WISPA with a centrist point of view. Rule changes. We need new rules regarding componentized systems such as MT, Star, ADI, Icarus, open source, etc. The most effective accomplishment that I have had is the subject of certification and the advancement of certified systems now starting to hit the streets. Yes we need to be able to build our own certified systems, but we need the help of the manufacturers. At our WISPA Feb 2007 WASHINGTON DC FCC meeting I brought up the subject of certification and discussed in detail the aspects of certified and non certified systems used widespread as a standard practice through out our industry and how do we change this. I said to the FCC, you need to go after the manufacturers who sell these systems and make them get them certified, not the wisp. We talked in detail about the use and about the infrequent issues associated with Unlicensed Frequency use. I came back from DC with a message from the FCC concerning certified systems use and put the pressure where the pressure belongs, on the manufacturer not the wisp. I also put together a committee with Jack in the lead to help wisps get their systems certified. I'm sure there will e certified systems come from this seed that I planted. I personally talked to various manufacturers encouraging and drumming up support for certification and I know there will be many new certified systems. I have already seen some. But we need to not stop here, we need to actively try to create a special wisp or wispa certified system installer who can design - build on the fly with already certified and accepted components. Today we have new certified systems coming online and I believe I played a roll in hastening this. I have created 2 committees and would create any special interest committee that would be of interest or benefit our member wisps. WISPA as an organization is successful and headed in the right direction. This past year as a Director and the Treasurer, I can tell you that the other Directors and volunteer wisps that serve on committees trying to help are all special people who deserve recognition. Not one time have I witnessed any kind of impropriety from anyone. Everyone serving has WISPA's best interest at all times. Because of this, the membership should know that WISPA's financial condition is healthy. With volunteer ism for labor and conservative but necessary spending has allowed WISPA to stay in the black and with continued support and increased membership size, WISPA can more effective lobbying for change to benefit our industry. I appreciate your vote Thank You George John Scrivner wrote: Here are some questions that our board candidates can answer to help give some insight to those of you who will be voting for our board this Friday: What do you hope to achieve as a board member in WISPA over the next 12 months? What is WISPA doing right and what do you think needs to be changed? What are the top 3 laws or rules that you feel should be the highest priority for WISPA involvement right now. How should they be changed? Do you serve, or plan to serve, on any WISPA committees while in office? If yes then what committees? I will answer my own
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
I was just thinking yesterday about a conversation I had with a telephone guy just after I took over the old winfinity.com isp-bbs. At that time ATT said they would be in every market, wirelesly. They would put a little antenna on the corner of every house Who is putting little antennas on the corners of houses today? :) George John Scrivner wrote: I am guessing this prediction has been made by most anyone I know who has been around for a while. I guess when someone important says it though then it is news. I remember many years ago when Steve Stroh told us that the phone companies as we know them and their copper plants were going to die. He said they would fall unless the government stepped in and saved them. Even then I had very little doubt that many people shared that feeling. If you look at what is happening to copper plant use the numbers lead to the same conclusions. People are migrating to other platforms for voice. They use mobile phones and VOIP more and more. I have not used a PSTN phone line now at home for over a year. I don't miss it a bit. Scriv Peter R. wrote: Last month, Tom Evslin, the co-founder of Internet service provider ATT Worldnet and voice-over-IP wholesaler ITXC, created quite a stir by making the bold prediction that the twisted copper pair to the home won't exist in 2013. By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won't, Evslin wrote in his blog. I don't think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it's] a huge problem for ATT and Verizon. And an important social issue as well. Those comments provoked quite a reaction from readers, most of which were along the lines of, Wha-huh? Most people were eager to bet against Evslin's prediction. At the same time, his words echoed in my mind as I read recent complaints from the Communications Workers of America and the West Virginia Public Service Commission that Verizon Communications is neglecting its copper plant as it focuses on fiber-to-the-home deployment. The CWA told Virginia regulators that Verizon is foregoing preventative maintenance on much of the state's copper lines and ordering Band-Aid repairs for major problems. Verizon refutes that charge that copper has, in essence, become its redheaded stepchild. But those complaints highlight the way that copper becomes increasingly onerous for Verizon as its fiber network grows. Copper lines will require more care than passive optical networks and yield less revenue. In some cases, it might behoove Verizon for that copper to fail sooner rather than later to accelerate fiber migration. So I can't help but wonder if Verizon would bet against Evslin. Or on him. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
Isn't the reason they are replacing some of their copper with fiber is because they then do not have to allow competition to ride their wires? Old wires old rules, new fiber new rules? George Peter R. wrote: The ATT (originally SBC) VDSL plan requires copper to the home. Fiber to the neighborhood. In VZ region, they are pulling out copper as fast as they can replacing it with fiber. (FiOS is FTTH not FTTN). VZ even clips the copper when they install your FiOS. And what VZ isn't replacing, thieves are stealing, since copper is easy to sell. VZ's union is even claiming that VZ is not maintaining the copper plant in some areas. If you watch the FCC network notifications, there is more copper replacement being done this year then ever before. - Peter Steve Stroh wrote: Clint: No, not really, as ATT is betting on copper only in the last few hundred feet to the premises. While they're not going to do fiber-to-the-premises, they will be doing a fiber infrastructure. Thanks, Steve On 6/15/07, Clint Ricker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ATT is betting on copper for the next 5-10 years for the next 5-10 years. I think that, alone, about disbunks this article. -Clint -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant
For Last Mile- FreeSpace Optics can be had now up to 1/2 mile for as low as $5K. GB manufacturers are going to realize soon, the day of the huge profit margin will be a thing of the past. The competition is here on all fronts. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband Yep, I just did a 100meg FSO link and it was around $5k for the link. I wuld have preffered to do fiber and I'm sure it would have been not much more, but the beaurocracy to get where I needed to go was slow moving. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLINK Giga
Matt Liotta wrote: I will say it is in line with what most people are expecting out of Trango price wise. -Matt And that price is? :) George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Low cost generator
http://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=538 I'm in the market for a generator and came across this one. The auto transfer switch and propane caught my eye and I figured I'd share it with the list. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator
I called and got voice mail for someone named Mike? JohnnyO wrote: Hey Brad - Being George don't wanna call me You call me LOL JohnnyO 337-764-5953 ps. call me after 5pm today .. I may have something you may want...maybe :) - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator David, Oh, ok...I missed the original post link to the 3800.00 generator. After poking around on the www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com site I came across the $1959.00 7kW LP Natural gas genset delivered, tax included, with transfer switch and $40 check discount. I'm inclined to bite off on that deal if I knew for certain all my APC's (500VA and greater) would be happy with it. grin Ralph, Kudos on a great score at Home Depot! Gotta love a motivated big box manager when in their eyes they have an albatross SKU. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ralph Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:33 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Low cost generator We've used the Guardians (Generac) from Home Depot. Work fine. Every one I have ever seen came with the transfer switch. Best deal was a 12Kw I got that was brand new, but the transfer switch and the top of the generator were slightly dented. Seems like I gave $1500.00 for it. HD said it was 400.00 below cost. I have been told by the HD folks that unless you have it installed by their folks, the warranty is void, though. I am not sure how true that is. I don't think they (HD) sell them without installation. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Low cost generator Brad Belton wrote: So, you bought this LP Natural Gas generator for $1460 delivered, including tax and transfer switch? Not quite. I was going on the price posted with the OP's link, which had a displayed price of about $3800 (at the time I looked at it, at least). That unit can run on either propane or natural gas, out of the box (as it were). We paid about $3000 plus sales tax and delivery, which made it around $3200, including the transfer switch and sundry bits. I was surprised to find a good price on a generator at Lowe's, but then I always thought of Lowe's as more of a home improvement store, and didn't expect them to carry things this big. (Maybe I'm just naive or something, dunno.) David Smith MVN.net -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango VOIP
I've seen it mentioned on the asterisk newsgroup that someone has in fact loaded asterisk on a wrap board Peter R. wrote: Since you can load Asterisk on anything including a Linksys router, then you could probably load a version on a WRAP board. - Peter Doug Ratcliffe wrote: So IAX2 is capable of packaging multiple phone calls into 1500 byte ethernet packets? I mean, G729 is 300 bytes, if 4 calls plus overhead became one packet, then it sounds like it is the solution for wireless. I wonder if an Asterisk IAX/SIP converter with linux for QOS can be loaded onto a SBC like a WRAP board? That would allow me to have both QOS and the ability to use inexpensive SIP devices on the inside of the network. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts
http://www.sunbeltstudwelding.com/studwelding.htm Tom DeReggi wrote: OK. Fair Comment. So how do you do it right? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water Tower Mounts
You may have been blunt, but one benefit to some of your posts, is it's probably saved lives. remember the guy who posted pictures of his new tower set up a few years back? His guy was up on a 300' tower with no harness and sneakers... I'm sure your response drove home the issue of safety. At least John was cautious enough to use safety cables. In closing I probably could have responded differently initially. I apologize if I offended you with my bluntness. My primary industry (communications/cellular/tower contracting) lost two tower workers in Kansas within the last 72 hours after falling 500+ feet. Four workers within the past 60 days. Safety is my only issue when we get in the air. If I can't afford the right equipment, we don't do the job. We don't cut corners. Period. Be safe, think safety. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] pricing
I'm pretty sure TJ is Travis and that was just another discussion we have had countless times about how much we are worth. I say we are worth at least what it would cost for another provider to come in and get up to where we are. IN A SHORT TIME SPAN. That price can vary, but it's probably much more than 12x monthly. George Felix A. Lopez wrote: Travis,Last year, I discussed this very topic with my regional WISP in Northern California and they said they heard a raw price is needed on a per subscriber basis. Here is a 2004 aricle from IP Planet which probably needs an update: The Value of a WiSP: http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/business/2004/wisp_valuation_bol.html an anyone give me the current value of a traditional ISP client (in real dollars) on a per subscriber basis? Client base includes dial-up, wireless, broadband (cable and DSL). I know this is a very subjective figure; however I'm just interested in ballpark figures, or a link with industry values for this type of information. Many had numbers ready at hand. [TI said] My rule of thumb is 9 to 18 months of revenue depending on profit. [TJ replied] Actually, I have heard of buy-outs as low as 6 times and as high as 24 times the monthly. It really depends on many, many things. [BR added] We have ad some talking with us a while back, and so far it's assets + 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 years' gross. [PS enthused] Sold! Where do I go to get my check? I haven't seen deals like this in a long time. Anyone have a list of recent transactions? The ISP brokers used to post on their websites recent transactions, now they are all kept secret. I would sell for 2 times gross plus assets any day of the week. I just don't see those deals out there anymore. The deals I see are closer to 4-6 times monthly for dialup and 1-2 times annual gross for broadband + assets - liabilities. Granted it's been a long time since I looked because it got too depressing to follow a few years back. Maybe with all the bankruptcies and mergers the value has gone up with fewer companies being left out there to buy? FC suggested that different metrics than just number of subscribers should be used: From talking to a number of people, I can tell you that a true businessperson looks at your cash flow per year (excluding growth) and multiplies that by something between 5 and 7.5. Expect to get closer to 5 than 7.5. That makes a lot more sense than $xSub since fixed costs (tower rental, bandwidth, employees) vary greatly between ISPs. All else being equal, an ISP that pays $2,000 per month in tower rent is worth a lot more than one that pays $5,000 per month. [TJ concluded] However, you should also keep in mind that when buying another ISP, your thoughts are always going to be I know what my costs are, so I can make the costs for the new ISP the same. Thus, if an ISP is paying $5,000/month in tower rents and you are only paying $2,000/month, then my thoughts would be I can save $3,000/month right to begin with. ;) There are always cost savings by purchasing another business of the same type. Billing, receptionists, tech support, etc. Having purchased 3 other ISPs (back in the dial-up only days), I can tell you that the only cost we carried over were the additional T-1 lines we needed to support the additional users. You then use the extra cash that those new customers are making you to pay the purchase price over 12-24 months... :) —End Felix Lopez Wireless Practitioneer San Francisco, CA --- Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Anyone seen current pricing for purchase of a WISP? The last I saw it was around 12x the monthly... has that changed at all lately? I have the opportunity to purchase a neighboring WISP. Travis Microserv Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts.
Re: [WISPA] mismarked phones
I recall on the moto list, maybe it was chuck, determined that 2.4 and 5 gig phones also use 900 to either send or recieve. That would be why they are alll 900MHz as well. George Mike Ireton wrote: Hi All, I have numerous examples of cordless phones that all claim to be '2.4ghz' or '5.8' ghz, but in fact are 900mhz models. This is maddening and frusterating for subs on 900mhz systems such as trango and canopy as these interfere pretty bad with their service. This misleading labeling has also led to situations where subs have gone to get new phones, different manufacturer and models, and they also turn out to be 900, increasing customer frusteration and giving us a black eye. The fcc numbers on the phones give us the right information - it's the product packaging and product parkings on the phone and base station that are wrong. Isn't there something wrong with this? Aren't manufacturers of this stuff required to say '900mhz' if it's 900mhz and not misrepresent it as 5.8ghz when it's not? Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 4.9 use (answer for Ralph)
Sheesh 2.4 for utility metering? Felix A. Lopez wrote: Ralph, To answer your question regarding what part of workforce is using the 4.9 GHz. The short answer is the city first responders workforce will be the primary user of the 4.9 GHz portion of the Mesh networking. The 2.4 GHz will be used for utility services such as metering/monitoring. The electric meters have a WiFi chipset inside the utility meter (802.11g flavor). The longer answer is that some cities also have electric utilities (municipalities). The CIO thus asked his Communications Director to file for the 4.9GHZ FCC license for the 4.9 GHz portion needed. The radio we used was by the major manufacturer and actually is 4 radios in one box. (2) 2.4 GHz radios + (2) 4.9 GHz radios (Mesh). We connected the mesh radios to a 900 MHz radio and backhauled it to the City corporation yard on 5.7 GHz if I recall (or it could have been all 900 MHz, I need to check my notes) We used the 900 MHz because the of the amount of trees in the area. And the backhaul was only about 2 miles from our system. We backhauled to the fiber POP at the Corporation yard. All the backend network equipment was Cisco so we very closely with the client's Cisco architect (network manager). He set up all this outside his firewall and indigenous city system. Sorry for not answering you earlier. Felix Lopez Utilities and Wireless Practitioneer --- Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is very interesting and makes me curious, Felix. Which part of the workforce is using the 4.9? What city services? This implies something else than Public Safety because you said city services AND public safety. Ralph WISPA full member -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felix A. Lopez Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 4.9 use Butch, My WISP team installed a MotoWi4 Motorola Mesh + Motorola Canopy system at a municipality/city. The system was the 2.4 GHz + 4.9 GHz MotoMesh radio (the MotoWi4 product line). The 2.4 GHz is being used for WiFi city utility metering. The 4.9 GHz will be used for mesh networking for mobility along thoroughfares for workforce. To use the 4.9 GHZ we called the FCC and researched what was needed. There is a piece of paperwork that needs to be completed by your city Communications Officer or CIO. So that is what they did...the Communicatios Officer and CIO complted the FCC paperwork and officially filed and got permission from the FCC to use the 4.9 GHz. It was actually quite easy. I don't have the paperwork with me but there is a FCC Technical Engineer available on the FCC website. The key point is the 4.9GHZ will be used for city services and public safety for first responders. Felix Lopez Wireless Practioneer /wireless/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] trango repairs
Travis, if it was a very common problem with all your units and you know what needs to be replaced, there's probably a company near you that does board component replacements. I know a guy who owned a company that did just this. If there is a lot of units and it's all the same parts you could get them repaired for next to nothing on a per unit basis. You have to find the company in your area that does board component replacements. George Travis Johnson wrote: I'm talking mainly about radios we pay around $350 each for brand new at $200 for repair, we have just been piling them on a shelf... but if we could find someone to fix them for $100, it would be worth it. The FOX and Atlas units we just throw in the garbage. :( Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Actually, if they come back repaired... Thats a pretty good price, considering from a manufactuer, that has the tools and knowledge to verify a proper repair. Atleast, if we are talking about the higher cost radios 900, 5830, APs, etc If you are referring to Fox Atlas CPEs, that sell for $200 new, I'd agree a lower priced alternative would be needed to justify repairing. But is that realistic to find, (for specialize proprietary radio equipment)? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] trango repairs Hi, Is there anyone doing Trango repairs for a reasonable rate? Trango wants $200 per radio. Thanks, Travis Microserv Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.6/865 - Release Date: 6/24/2007 8:33 AM Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell phone service even though it's wifi voip. Very serious issue here. George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What does that mean. They relay GPS location to the fire department/cops? I can see a double standard here. Anyone else? George Peter R. wrote: The GPS locator in the handset probably. George Rogato wrote: I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell phone service even though it's wifi voip. Very serious issue here. George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 911
No, but voip does. When it's not talking to a cell tower and is talking to a wifi ap, it's voip. Why is it that their offering of voip does not have to live up to the latest e911 voip rules, but my home rolled * system does? Can I offer roaming voip using cordless handsets and wifi access and not be required to supply e911? I hate to be a complainer, but I was looking to offer voip to all my broadband subs, till e911 hit and put an expensive damper on it. This is a serious issue. Peter R. wrote: That was how the cell guys were going to originally offer 911. I don't think cell has to have E-911 (enhanced). http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2007/apr/06/fcc_chief_wants_better_accuracy_cell_911_calls/ Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com George Rogato wrote: What does that mean. They relay GPS location to the fire department/cops? I can see a double standard here. Anyone else? George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED]
GPS co-ordinates, your personal address, triangulation of cell towers to pin point your locaton. None of that satisfies e911, like the e911 that we are required to do provide to become a voip carrier and provide voip service. I say, if they can do this, there is a double standard and we're getting the short end of the stick. Why can't I sell wifi voip service with out the e911 again? John Valenti wrote: They wouldn't sell me a phone until I gave them a service address. As I understand it, if they can't determine a location from the regular cell tower triangulation, they use that address. Personally, I don't care all that much. I lived for thirty years before the 911 system was available. I understand a few people have perhaps died from e911 not working over voip, but autos kill 30,000+/year and we still use them. Technically, I don't see how you can track IP address location very easily. I don't look forward to a government mandated system that I need to feed info into. We still have a landline at our house, but never use it. I would cut that $35/month if things got tight. Compared to the six cell phones we have for ~$125/month that we actually use the landline is a very value. On Jul 21, 2007, at 12:55 PM, George Rogato wrote: I'd like to know how it is that they can provide e911 for their voip offering? Last I heard, a voip call was required to have e911. Like to know how they are going to pull their roaming wifi voip off without saying, it's cell phone service even though it's wifi voip. Very serious issue here. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T-Mobile [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 911
Haudy Kazemi wrote: http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/discuss.php?fm=mff=136fi=1248052 A call to 911 will always try to use a tower if one is avaiable (even if you are connected to wifi), if not it will use the wifi network and privide the address that you registered with t-mobile -hk Houston, we have a problem, T-Mobile is breaking the e911 voip rules, somebody call the FCC and ask why they allow this. Anyone can provide 911 service, it's the e thats the issue. e is not your registered home address. George Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tools for making LMR400 N connectors...
One advice of caution, buy the stripper crimper from the same place that sells the connectors. Not all connectors are the same. for the record, I use electro com and buy my tools from them as well as the times ez's for 5 gig and 2 gig and the cheaper crimp /crimp aluminum connectors for 2 gig only. George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Phone Tech Support ?
Why would you expect an answering service to do tech suport? Isn't it out of their league to handle anythng more than taking a name number and message? The problem I see with hotspot tech support, is the cost should be much higher than the hotspot internet service costs. A per incident price makes more sense to me. George Smith, Rick wrote: I've asked this question before, never really got a response. Figured I'd try again. I run a number of hotspots, and need to provide 24x7 support for the users at them. Generally means asking the stupid questions like is your wireless adapter turned on / cable plugged in, etc I use an answering service now, and they're just not cutting it. They have been given a QA sheet by me, with prescribed answers, and then if none of those answers / procedures work, they're to patch me or my tech support person in to the call so we can take it from there. Well, they're telling customers Sorry, support dept is closed, let me patch you through to someone else all the time. They're now being fired ASAP. Need someone to replace them. These calls don't last long, and it's not too involved a process to support customers at a hotspot. Does anyone subscribe (or offer) such a service ? Needs to be courteous people with knowledge on the other end on supporting stuff like this. And, it NEEDS to be 24x7x365 staffed. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: YOUTUBE has a WiMAX ad on TV in Alaska, link
What frequency is this? George Patrick Leary wrote: It is an ATT commercial. Near the end of the ad is a blue box on the desk. That is an Alvarion BreezeMAX Si self-install CPE. This is an 802.16e WiMAX network and according to the add they are selling data and voice (the Si's can have voice ports on it). At least for us, this is awesome to see our technology and wireless broadband at large on TV. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8gO1dEMzI8 Thanks Dee! Patrick WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Modern Marvels
Yeah I seen that show too. Here's is the tower accident. http://youtube.com/watch?v=eqygUApfnZg Mike Hammett wrote: I just saw about 8 minutes of a Modern Marvels episode that was about towers and safety. It will repeat tonight at 11:00 PM Central. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: BlackBerry Apps WAS Re: [WISPA] Managing your network onthego-go-go!
Felix A. Lopez wrote: Paul - I recall a wireless operator wanted his field technician to be able to VPN into their server (using his handheld PDA) and download trouble tickets for field repair jobs on CPE, check network status, etc. They wanted to do this over Verizon but also WiFi. And they wanted session persistence so the field technician did not have to relog-in (re-authenticate) every-time he dropped the signal...or They wanted to keep the trouble ticket 'hot' and I think you can do this with the volatile memory on the PDA which then refreshes when you gain the signal. Can you talk about this, your experiences, and your product? Thanks Felix Lopez San Francisco, CA Utilities and Wireless Practitioner --- Paul Dumais [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our VNC product is called Mobile Desktop (also supports RDP and SSH tunneling) and it is $45. Paul Dumais Idokorro Mobile Inc. -Original Message- From: Mark Nash [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: BlackBerry Apps WAS Re: [WISPA] Managing your network onthego-go-go! That's better... What about the mobile VNC? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Paul Dumais [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 10:49 AM Subject: RE: BlackBerry Apps WAS Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on thego-go-go! Mark, it sounds like you are referring to our Mobile Admin product which is directed to enterprises, pricing for Mobile Admin starts at $245/server. The Mobile SSH product that I suggested to David is much more affordable and targeted to individuals at $95, most of our customers agree that the ROI on the SSH product even for an individual or small company is very easy to justify. Paul Dumais Idokorro Mobile Inc. -Original Message- From: Mark Nash [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: BlackBerry Apps WAS Re: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go! Paul, I have considered your product line for our BlackBerries (we have 2). It seems that your pricing was way out of line for a small provider to take on. It seemed that it was more directed at enterprise-level tech support personnel managing a large network with Exchange servers file servers such. Our needs are often that great, but our budgets often aren't. Do you have a pricing solution for us? Mark Nash UnwiredOnline 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Paul Dumais [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:03 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go! David I just noticed your message asking for an SSH client for BlackBerry. Our product Idokorro Mobile SSH supports sending keys with CTRL, for example you can press CTRL+C and any other combination. As well with the BlackBerry devices QWERTY keyboard it makes SSH a snap. You also mentioned VNC, we also have a product that does that on a BlackBerry, it's called Mobile Desktop. If you have any other questions please contact me! Paul Dumais Idokorro Mobile http://www.idokorro.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 12:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Managing your network on the go-go-go! I'm looking for a way to keep an eye on my network, and to fix some basic stuff, while hiking, or on vacation, or what-have-you. Ideally, something I could take to a baseball game with me, even. A laptop computer is far too big for what I've got in mind, as it's likely to double as a pass-around pager for whoever's on call this week. Thus, I'm probably limited to a Blackberry or maybe a Windows Mobile device like the Motorola Q, running on a cell phone network. Most of our towers are running Valemount's StarOS software, so we need something that has an SSH client, and that SSH client needs to support key chording (Control-whatever, basically). Most devices like this, a Web browser is a given, which should handle the rest of our needs (looking in on the network monitoring system, and a couple Ligowave towers). The ability to receive (and, maybe, send) emails is important, but that's pretty much guaranteed these days too. (Worst case, I whip up some email-to-SMS voodoo.) VNC support would be swell but probably not strictly needed. (Besides, it'd take forever to scroll around a 1208x1024 desktop on one of those...) I can't be the first one here who's looked at getting a Blackberry (or something similar) to handle basic network stuff remotely. What works? What doesn't? Will I even be sorta-happy with, say, a Blackberry 8700? David Smith
Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers
I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive. Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why ay more if you don't have to? George Mike Hammett wrote: The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes. What are some nice connectors and crimpers to use? The female ends I use are really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have to be the exact length, etc. That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded cable. I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers
The stuff we use to go up the tower is either a heavier gage copper or a thicker insulation on the conductor. Maybe both. I use the ez's there always. It's easier to terminate and I'm that much more comfortable knowing I went the extra step to have no problems or issues. On customer premises stuff, I use the typical connector and don't have any problems. I also buy thousands per year and I like thouands times .10 than .55 George Mike Hammett wrote: I've done hundreds of crimps with the cheapos, but I am lazy and time is money. ;-) Regular indoor cable and the first few reels of outdoor cable I used were all pretty easy, but as I've started to get different kinds of cable in, some are more difficult to work with than others. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive. Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why ay more if you don't have to? George Mike Hammett wrote: The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes. What are some nice connectors and crimpers to use? The female ends I use are really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have to be the exact length, etc. That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded cable. I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DC power suggestions
And I thought *ALL* the corn came from Iowa. :) George Mike Hammett wrote: Wow, you learn something every day. What I've learned today is that down south harvests corn significantly earlier than we do in the corn belt. ;-) What I've wanted to do, but have been so far unable to do is to have a power source (be it a 120 vAC charger, solar cells, wind turbine, etc.) charge an array of batteries (the guys at Mr. Solar said that I should use 48 vDC for the DC systems), and then have a bunch of power supplies that use 48 vDC as the source.I have a PC based MT for my AP and an Orthogon Gemini on my primary tower. I can source 48 vDC power supplies for both. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] DC power suggestions I have an 80' Rohn 25G tower on top of a 110' concrete grain elevator. This elevators power is giving me fits as they are flipping breakers on and off as they are in full swing with all the corn coming in right now out of the fields. I do have everything on UPS's, but need to move up the ranks for longer run times to 4 larger marine batteries to accomplish longer run times when the breakers are flipped off. Here is my question: Do they make a device that has multiple DC power output voltages (12/18/24/48) that connects directly to a set of batteries with the ability to connect multiple devices and if so - how do you keep your batteries charged? I would like to run my gear directly off the DC power instead of plugging everything into 120vdc and then have the wall warts convert to the DC power. I currently have 10 radios on top of the elevator and it is a major distribution point for the North and East legs of our network. Any and all suggestions are welcomed!! Thanks folks, Mac WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Managed IT Service
Depends upon your market and what you can get away with and who you want to target. Mike Hammett wrote: Does this sound fair to all parties? My normal rate is $40/hour, with $80/hour for emergencies. I charge $150/month to manage a business's network. This includes 3 hours of support. I also will VPN into the network and ensure that operating systems, anti-virus, etc. are updated, which does not consume any hours. Additional support is available at $35/$70 per hour. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers
Funny, I can do them both in about the same time. George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Time George, time. I can do a connector, perfectly, every time, in 1/4th of the time that it takes the old way. And I NEVER have to redo them. Yeah it sucks paying $.50 for a connector, but my time and my sanity are worth it! And ONE call back because of a flaky connector covers my connector costs for years. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RJ-45 and crimpers I know those EZ's are easy, but they are expensive. Why don't you just learn to use the cheap ones and get it right. Why ay more if you don't have to? George Mike Hammett wrote: The RJ-45 male connectors and crimpers I use are a PITA sometimes. What are some nice connectors and crimpers to use? The female ends I use are really easy to put in the right order (and stay there), they don't have to be the exact length, etc. That said, I'm looking at possibly needing to install some shielded cable. I'd imagine they'd need a connector made for shielded cable. Suggestions on this route are appreciated as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Interesting tool.
http://www.greenlee.com/promotions/summer/cast_in_deal.pdf -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PITA customers...
Customers are hard to come by to dispose of them so easily. I wonder, I wonder what it is that is causing the customer to complain? Maybe you can expand on why they are complaining or what the problem is for that particular customer. Also, Brian, if you don't call your customers back, regardless if they are a pain in the ass or who's fault it is, you will get a bad reputation. George -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PITA customers...
As a dial up isp with 3,000+ subs in a small town, I know exactly the type of customer your talking about. I went to the school of hard knocks too. Hey, your internet caused my computer to stop working... Your internet gave me that virus, you should clean my machine for free. blah blah blah. With my wireles broadband, some have faulted me for charging a higher monthly fee and having a higher start-up fee, but it was designed to avoid problematic people. I heard it today, too much money, we'll go elsewhere. Ok thank you. if $5.00 more per month is gonna kill them, their not my kind of subs. But charging abit more elimantes a swarth of the market that is looking for the cheapest deal. In that group is where a lot of those customer relations problems linger. They know they are being cheap [EMAIL PROTECTED], but they want everything for nothing and are not willing to pay for anything that they can badger someone into giving. It's a game played by a lot of consumers. I've avoided that crowd and grow slower, but my customers are steady and we go the extra mile to help them and educate them when needed. I try to avoid kids and I try to avoid renters and I try to avoid people with high anxiety reputations who always have something negative to say. I try to choose customers wisely that fit in with us as a whole. I also look for the types who look at buying my service with the upfront fees as a sort of investment that they want to protect. Never mind being the guy that costs nothing to come and go. Problem is, I'll never be a regional provider or be able to grow beyond my turf with my attitude. George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I talking about the ones who cause problems on their computer and blame it on me. Then they tell my it's my job to fix it, for free. The internet is working fine when I go over there with my laptop. It's only a couple I've done this to. Brian George Rogato wrote: Customers are hard to come by to dispose of them so easily. I wonder, I wonder what it is that is causing the customer to complain? Maybe you can expand on why they are complaining or what the problem is for that particular customer. Also, Brian, if you don't call your customers back, regardless if they are a pain in the ass or who's fault it is, you will get a bad reputation. George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PITA customers...
Ive actually told subs that I'm able to bring onto my level, that with my customers, I expect to have a good working relationship for a very long time. But I can't do that with someone who does not respect me or wants to be beligerant. And that I'm just too friggin old and not getting any younger and don't have time for people that want to wrangle with me rather than work with me to make life smooth. Life's short, if we can't work together pleasurably, we should do something diferent. Some people are just rude or obnoxious and sometimes others are wiseguys that think they are talking to ATT or a sears and roebuck When I get them to realize that they are talking to their neighbor, the guy that lives down their street, someone who could be the husband, son, or friend, then usually I can get them to the positive side. Unfortunatly, not everyone is going to be workable. Sometimes it's better to part ways. The worse thing is to have a customer that thinks he is stuck with you, unhappy with his level of service or does not like you. George Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: I tell them to treat people here with respect or find another provider. Most of the time I can calm them down though. And they are nicer in the future. I've not fired any for being frustrated and taking it out on us yet. Been close a few times though. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] PITA customers... I am looking for advice and examples of what to do with PITA customers. I have a few that are just shy of abusive on the phone. Do you read them the riot act? Do you turn them off? Do you collect an early termination fee? Share your stories or policies. Thanks! ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] PITA customers...
If you are not happy, we are more than willing to let you out of your contract and refund your installation fees line. -forrest We have a pretty strict policy of no refunding install-set up fees. Maybe if we were incompetent, which has never happened yet, we would. But no money gets refunded, we are not Macy's. They also have to give 30 day notice. And if they prepaid to get some discount or special rate plan, nadda. George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Gunplay blamed for Internet slowdown
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/082107-gunplay-blamed-for-internet.html Maybe we should be nicer to our customers :) -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
