Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2008-01-06 Thread Lester Caine
Peter Homann wrote: > Hi Lester, > > The DigiSpeed-GX board contains an isolated 5V to 15V dc/dc converter. It > accepts a PWM signal and converts it to an isolated DC control voltage > suitable for Asian DC motor controllers, and VFDs. > > http://homanndesigns.com/store/index.php?main_page=produ

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2008-01-06 Thread Peter Homann
Hi Lester, The DigiSpeed-GX board contains an isolated 5V to 15V dc/dc converter. It accepts a PWM signal and converts it to an isolated DC control voltage suitable for Asian DC motor controllers, and VFDs. http://homanndesigns.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=21 Ch

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2008-01-05 Thread Geert De Pecker
Lester, I first tried to get the required 12V from the kbic, but as this is only provided for with a zener (according to the schematics), it dropped to 6V as soon as the C11 board was connected. So bad option. As in the meantime the 5V-12V dc converter arrived (indeed from Farnell), I used that

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-29 Thread Geert De Pecker
Just had word from Arturo, maker of the C11 board that the fequency for full voltage is set to be 25KHz. Will need to investigate why I get nice results with 400Hz... Kirk Wallace wrote: > On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 23:18 +0100, Geert De Pecker wrote: >> Same here, but then again, the 400 Hz is the max

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-27 Thread rogerb
On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 23:19:49 -0600 Jon Elson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Engvall wrote: > > If anyone wants to etch a disc I can probably find an 30 mL or so > > of KPR. > > > KPR is abominable to work with. I have DuPont Riston dry film > photoresist. I have laminated it onto .005" and

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-27 Thread Lester Caine
Kirk Wallace wrote: > On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 21:07 +, Lester Caine wrote: >> Kirk Wallace wrote: >>> On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 17:22 +, Lester Caine wrote: Geert De Pecker wrote: > I probably wrongly assumed that the voltage should come from the KBIC > ... snip >>> How much adjustment

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Jon Elson
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 26 December 2007, Dave Engvall wrote: > >>Hi Jon, >> >>Riston sounds like better stuff and easier to use. I think one gets >>sharper etching if the etchant is pumped over the foil. > > > Many years ago, we had a DEA spray etcher at the tv station where I got >

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 26 December 2007, Dave Engvall wrote: >Hi Jon, > >Riston sounds like better stuff and easier to use. I think one gets >sharper etching if the etchant is pumped over the foil. Many years ago, we had a DEA spray etcher at the tv station where I got started back in the early 60's. You

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 23:18 +0100, Geert De Pecker wrote: > Same here, but then again, the 400 Hz is the maximum needed to get the > full analog voltage. So no problem here. > > The C11 board really needs a frequency, the pulse width is of very > little influence on the voltage. > ... snip It is

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Geert De Pecker
Same here, but then again, the 400 Hz is the maximum needed to get the full analog voltage. So no problem here. The C11 board really needs a frequency, the pulse width is of very little influence on the voltage. >>> Geert >> I checked the siggen setup on my test system and 480Hz was the highest >

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Geert De Pecker
Lester, This is indeed a solution. Thanks for the link. Lester Caine wrote: > http://cnc4pc.com/Tech_Docs/C11G_&_SIEG_X3_Electrical%20storybook.pdf > Check out page 7. > The thing to remember here is that the motor control pot on the Asian mills > is > at mains potential, so you need a totally

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 12:28 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: > On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 20:21 +0100, Geert De Pecker wrote: > > Kirk, > > > > > The C11 document specifies three power supplies. One computer side +5V, ... snip > > > if I had enough money, I'd be rich. > > > > > > > At 400Hz I get the max

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 21:07 +, Lester Caine wrote: > Kirk Wallace wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 17:22 +, Lester Caine wrote: > >> Geert De Pecker wrote: > >>> I probably wrongly assumed that the voltage should come from the KBIC ... snip > > How much adjustment will the potentiometer gi

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Lester Caine
Kirk Wallace wrote: > On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 17:22 +, Lester Caine wrote: >> Geert De Pecker wrote: >>> I probably wrongly assumed that the voltage should come from the KBIC >>> board. As you say, this would indeed be a flexible solution. Will look >>> out from such a converter. My controller ca

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 20:21 +0100, Geert De Pecker wrote: > Kirk, > > > The C11 document specifies three power supplies. One computer side +5V, > > one CNC side +5V @ 2A and One CNC side +12V @ 300mA. I would think if > > you have satisfied these specifications, you should be okay. 12V should > >

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Geert De Pecker
Kirk, > The C11 document specifies three power supplies. One computer side +5V, > one CNC side +5V @ 2A and One CNC side +12V @ 300mA. I would think if > you have satisfied these specifications, you should be okay. 12V should > have enough headroom to regulate to 10 V and the VFD should only draw

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 17:22 +, Lester Caine wrote: > Geert De Pecker wrote: > > I probably wrongly assumed that the voltage should come from the KBIC > > board. As you say, this would indeed be a flexible solution. Will look > > out from such a converter. My controller case is almost full, have

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Dave Engvall
Hi Jon, Riston sounds like better stuff and easier to use. I think one gets sharper etching if the etchant is pumped over the foil. I guess I'm pretty casual about solvents having worked with benzene above the permissible limit for several weeks each year. Anytime you can smell benzene you

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Lester Caine
Geert De Pecker wrote: > I probably wrongly assumed that the voltage should come from the KBIC > board. As you say, this would indeed be a flexible solution. Will look > out from such a converter. My controller case is almost full, have to > find some room to put this one in :-) Don't need much spa

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 11:04 +0100, Geert De Pecker wrote: > I probably wrongly assumed that the voltage should come from the KBIC > board. As you say, this would indeed be a flexible solution. Will look > out from such a converter. My controller case is almost full, have to > find some room to put

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Geert De Pecker
I'm thinking of a 100 line encoder. Wouldn't require too much resolution. Tested from the rhino cad program and output seems very acceptable. But I assume for more then 200 line, it could be worse. Geert ben lipkowitz wrote: > On Mon, 24 Dec 2007, Geert De Pecker wrote: > >> To do threading on t

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-26 Thread Geert De Pecker
I probably wrongly assumed that the voltage should come from the KBIC board. As you say, this would indeed be a flexible solution. Will look out from such a converter. My controller case is almost full, have to find some room to put this one in :-) Lester Caine wrote: > Geert De Pecker wrote: >> N

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-25 Thread Jon Elson
Kirk Wallace wrote: > KPR? > > Kentucky Paranormal Research > Kawartha Pine Ridge District Public School Board Kodak Photo Resist, a Xylene-based organic photo resist that is hardened by exposure to UV light. It is very "old school" and not only requires nasty chemicals, but is quite fragile.

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-25 Thread Jon Elson
Dave Engvall wrote: > If anyone wants to etch a disc I can probably find an 30 mL or so of > KPR. > KPR is abominable to work with. I have DuPont Riston dry film photoresist. I have laminated it onto .005" and .003" brass shim stock with my dry film laminator machine. It has heated Silicon

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-25 Thread Dave Engvall
Good try. KPR is a photoresist made by Kodak. It is good enough to do wafers. It needs reasonably energetic UV to polymerize and then toluene to dissolve off the non-polymerized part for etching. D On Dec 25, 2007, at 4:15 PM, Kirk Wallace wrote: > KPR? > > Kentucky Paranormal Research > Kaw

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-25 Thread Kirk Wallace
KPR? Kentucky Paranormal Research Kawartha Pine Ridge District Public School Board On Tue, 2007-12-25 at 15:42 -0800, Dave Engvall wrote: > If anyone wants to etch a disc I can probably find an 30 mL or so of > KPR. > > For best resolution make a 4X image and then photoreduce 4X on to > film

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-25 Thread Dave Engvall
If anyone wants to etch a disc I can probably find an 30 mL or so of KPR. For best resolution make a 4X image and then photoreduce 4X on to film and use that to expose the KPR. It makes beautiful circuit boards that way. Dave On Dec 25, 2007, at 12:42 PM, ben lipkowitz wrote: > I would feel

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-25 Thread ben lipkowitz
I would feel confident printing 256 lines on a 2 inch diameter encoder, with my 600 dpi HP laserjet 1018, but I haven't tried it out with a sensor yet. At 512 lines, the spacing between lines starts to look uneven. A 7 inch disc with 1024 lines looks pretty good. Kinko's has 1200 dpi laser prin

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-25 Thread Kirk Wallace
A while back, I tried printing an encoder with my CAD program. I didn't get very good results. My laser printer's resolution, which is great for printing documents, was lousy for encoders. What resolution and how small a disk is possible with your method? Although, I suppose for a spindle, a larger

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 25 December 2007, ben lipkowitz wrote: >On Mon, 24 Dec 2007, Geert De Pecker wrote: >> To do threading on the lathe is the end goal. I'm still in the >> development phase for the encoder bit. Want to make it myself >> (see part of drawing at http://users.skynet.be/gedp/FILES/index.html).

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-24 Thread ben lipkowitz
On Mon, 24 Dec 2007, Geert De Pecker wrote: > To do threading on the lathe is the end goal. I'm still in the > development phase for the encoder bit. Want to make it myself > (see part of drawing at http://users.skynet.be/gedp/FILES/index.html). Geert, There are some .ps files floating around

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-24 Thread Lester Caine
Geert De Pecker wrote: > Next problem: the analog voltage on the C11 board doesn't go to the max > input voltage. I measured the voltage across the sherline potentiometer > and it is 9.2 volts. With the bench supply set to 9.2 and attached to > the analog voltage of the board, the max output is 8.2

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-24 Thread Geert De Pecker
Kirk, You pointed me in the right direction. With siggen and scale, I was able to produce a frequency from the spindle control. I posted the mill.ini and mill.hal on http://users.skynet.be/gedp/FILES/index.html. The signal isn't very stable because I had to put it in the servo-thread (probably ne

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-24 Thread Geert De Pecker
Kirk, To do threading on the lathe is the end goal. I'm still in the development phase for the encoder bit. Want to make it myself (see part of drawing at http://users.skynet.be/gedp/FILES/index.html). Still some time away though. Yes the C11 is full throttle. If you're interested in the files,

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-24 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2007-12-24 at 20:13 +0100, Geert De Pecker wrote: > Kirk, > > Thanks for the info. I'll check it out. > > I don't think we need 24kHz. The default pwm signal is 100Hz and gave me > 2.5 volts. I changed the frequence in the hal config to 200 Hz and the > output was approx 5V, so I guess th

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-24 Thread Geert De Pecker
Kirk, Thanks for the info. I'll check it out. I don't think we need 24kHz. The default pwm signal is 100Hz and gave me 2.5 volts. I changed the frequence in the hal config to 200 Hz and the output was approx 5V, so I guess the max voltage on the C11 board is reached at 400Hz. Never experimetd wi

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-24 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2007-12-24 at 19:01 +0100, Geert De Pecker wrote: > It is the C11 multifunction board. Main reasons where the isolated > analog voltage and the relay to enable me to stop the motor when the job > is finished. > >From a brief look at the documentation, it looks like you need one of the par

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-24 Thread Geert De Pecker
It is the C11 multifunction board. Main reasons where the isolated analog voltage and the relay to enable me to stop the motor when the job is finished. Kirk Wallace wrote: > Which CNC4PC board do you have? > > On Mon, 2007-12-24 at 18:51 +0100, Geert De Pecker wrote: >> Kirk, >> >> Problem is th

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-24 Thread Kirk Wallace
Which CNC4PC board do you have? On Mon, 2007-12-24 at 18:51 +0100, Geert De Pecker wrote: > Kirk, > > Problem is that I bought the cnc4pc board with the speed controller in > mind. The doc said it supported emc, so I guess there must be a way. > Arturo of cnc4pc is looking into it. > > So if I c

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-24 Thread Geert De Pecker
Kirk, Problem is that I bought the cnc4pc board with the speed controller in mind. The doc said it supported emc, so I guess there must be a way. Arturo of cnc4pc is looking into it. So if I can avoid adding extra hardware, this would be nice. I agree if you want very fine control, your solution

Re: [Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-24 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Mon, 2007-12-24 at 14:11 +0100, Geert De Pecker wrote: > Hi all, > > I installed a CNC4PC breakout board that has an analog voltage output > available for spindle speed control. However, this board works based > on a frequency to voltage converter and not like standard emc duty cycle > generate

[Emc-users] Spindle speed control with cnc4pc board

2007-12-24 Thread Geert De Pecker
Hi all, I installed a CNC4PC breakout board that has an analog voltage output available for spindle speed control. However, this board works based on a frequency to voltage converter and not like standard emc duty cycle generated by pwmgen. I was looking into using siggen to create a speed contro