Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 12.08.18 02:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: On 12. Aug 2018, at 01:40, Simon Poole > wrote: People seem to be looking more for unique ids for their dwellings than something that is dependent on a relatively fine grained location/coordinate value, of which you may ha

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

sent from a phone > On 12. Aug 2018, at 01:40, Simon Poole wrote: > > People seem to be looking more for unique ids for their dwellings than > something that is dependent on a relatively fine grained location/coordinate > value, of which you may have multiple for one house. We know this work

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Unfortunately reality is new mappers cut and paste buildings so you end up with multiple buildings with the same address. There are three other problems, maintenance is the first. How do you ensure that new buildings get a code? Second in many parts of Africa the same building gets mapped more t

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 12.08.2018 um 01:27 schrieb john whelan: > > Note my opposition, notwithstanding my general concerns about > fiddling with the markets, is founded in that plus codes are just > simply not very good/fit for purpose. > > And discounting using pure lat and long your solution would be? A pure nume

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

> Note my opposition, notwithstanding my general concerns about fiddling with the markets, is founded in that plus codes are just simply not very good/fit for purpose. And discounting using pure lat and long your solution would be? Thanks John On 11 August 2018 at 19:04, Simon Poole wrote: > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 11.08.2018 um 16:39 schrieb Richard Fairhurst: >  is a good idea, > apart from Simon, and even Homer nods sometimes. > > Note my opposition, notwithstanding my general concerns about fiddling with the markets, is founded in that plus codes are just simply not very good/fit for purpose. But

Re: [OSM-talk] Generic Tasking Manager instances

The instance I ran for many years has been replaced by http://tasks.osm.ch/ that I suspect will again be available for many years to come  (note that the main problem in the past has been that there was typically no way to migrate to newer version which led to people being stuck on old, unmaintaine

Re: [OSM-talk] Generic Tasking Manager instances

Hi Michal, The OSM-US has a pretty open and friendly OSM Tasking Manager install for projects. There is a form to fill out for project creation permissions: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScho9oKNc_8OjAUdYxFtasRF6Qg3eyYoQF_jbka6Xk79nrvOw/viewform Cheers, Bake On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at

[OSM-talk] Generic Tasking Manager instances

Hi all, from all the instances of OSM Tasking Manager, are there ones which - won't close in foreseeable future - won't mind hosting generic tasks (not related to specific cause/region)? So, in essence, kind of like MapCraft, but with all the benefits of TM - including, but not limited to, automati

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

I think what is needed is an independent way to generate them from OSMand and I think that is part of the missing puzzle. Cheerio John On 11 August 2018 at 11:30, Blake Girardot HOT/OSM < blake.girar...@hotosm.org> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Richard Fairhurst > wrote: > > Blake

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Blake Girardot wrote: >> Also: No one is getting paid for anything related to this at this >> point. I personally would like to see Google donate to the OSMF >> and let the OSMF grant it out to help OSM core and eco system >> tools imple

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Blake Girardot wrote: > Also: No one is getting paid for anything related to this at this > point. I personally would like to see Google donate to the OSMF > and let the OSMF grant it out to help OSM core and eco system > tools implement OLC native in code as it should be. That's done. Tom has c

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

What do the users in Tanzania require? Do they have access to an android smartphone? If so what is wrong with using OSMand, its free. Every building in Tanzania has a visible OLC code and its permanent so no danger it will disappear after the trial. Cheerio John On 11 August 2018 at 09:31,

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 5:49 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Hi, > > On 11.08.2018 11:21, mmd wrote: >> With all due respect, I think we've long crossed that point: > > All these have been added by accident, as a side effect of undiscussed > imports. > > This is bad, but not as bad as adding them on pu

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

On 11/08/18 07:02, Andrew Harvey wrote: > No, all highways are areas :) Mapping them as a line is a manual generalization ;) Yes, but you're mapping the road centerline, which isn't a generalization but a real world feature. Mapping the path of a highway as a 'way' is a generalization. This

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 8/11/2018 1:35 AM, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: And they will not start putting up signs of the Plus-Codes outside their house unless the OpenStreetMap community accept this technology. What would actually happen in these locations? Do they bring up the web site https://www.openstreetmap.org

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 11.08.2018 um 12:18 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > I hope you are aware that you are defending a bad tagging idea with the > existence of other bad tagging ideas. The intention was actually quite the opposite. It was more a question of taking a step back and revisiting those tags where coordinat

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Yes indeed, otherwise I wouldn't have recorded them. I'd be happy to hear a better solution for survey points. The naive approach is to assume that the latitude and longitude of the point in OSM is the surveyed value, which it should be, but without external corroboration you can't be sure. Anywa

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Do you know whether the latitude and longitude on the plaque are in the WGS84 that we use? From: Andrew Errington Sent: 11 August 2018 10:56 To: mmd Cc: Talk Openstreetmap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Cod

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Saturday 11 August 2018, mmd wrote: > > With all due respect, I think we've long crossed that point: > > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/KSJ2%3Alat > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/ngbe%3Alat_ed50 > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/gns%3ALAT > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.o

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

I tag survey points with latitude and longitude (taken from the plaque on the survey marker). Then it is possible to see if they have been moved accidentally, and for users to check that they are actually in the surveyed location. Andrew On Sat, Aug 11, 2018, 21:24 mmd wrote: > Am 10.08.2018 um

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Hi, On 11.08.2018 11:21, mmd wrote: > With all due respect, I think we've long crossed that point: All these have been added by accident, as a side effect of undiscussed imports. This is bad, but not as bad as adding them on purpose in the course of an ill-conceived aid project with the promise

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Op za 11 aug. 2018 om 11:24 schreef mmd : > > With all due respect, I think we've long crossed that point: > > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/KSJ2%3Alat > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/ngbe%3Alat_ed50 > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/gns%3ALAT > https://taginfo.openstreetm

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 10.08.2018 um 19:46 schrieb Christoph Hormann: > The idea of tagging encoded coordinates is so ridiculous to anyone with > a bit of understanding of computer programming, data processing and > data maintainance that even after ignoring all the arguments in > substance that have been voiced th

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

The argument against the goog is that they have a monopolies in certain markets and are using those to extend in to others, I doubt that you could make a case against third parties supporting what then becomes the monopoly system, but who knows. I've actually legally been in that situation during

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

If they did sue, could Nomination, Osmand or OSM be liable if we implement it? -- Andrew From: Simon Poole Sent: 11 August 2018 09:43 To: Blake Girardot Cc: OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 10.08.2018 um 23:25 schrieb Blake Girardot: > Is that not the reason OSM was started in the first place? :) It is slightly different in more than one way for a monopoly owner to pre-emptively create and promote a free system  to stop a competitor from gaining a foothold in a potential new m

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On 10/08/2018 21:41, Blake Girardot wrote: But while I do not like the w3w solution, if they wanted to support OSMF to improve w3w support in osm core and the ecosystem of tools I would be all for giving it the exact same trial if the community agreed. But generally, I think plus codes are comi

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

On Saturday 11 August 2018, Blake Girardot wrote: > >> > >> Ok, enough of your overly polite, gentle feedback stuff, tell us > >> how you really feel :) > > > > I am afraid that even after reading it several times i have no idea > > what you want to say with that. > > My apologies Christoph, it was

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

> If the OSM community accepts the OpenLocationCode, then it would become de facto universal addressing system. Only then people may start believing and investing in it. As others have pointed out the proper place for OSM to support the OpenLocationCode in OSM is in https://nominatim.openstreetmap

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

Am 11.08.2018 um 01:19 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > While it is true that both parties have economic interest in this, plus codes > are both, free to use and open source, unlike their 3 words competitor. Even > if w3w „wins“ we would likely not be interested in promoting them on OSMF > serve

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

On Saturday 11 August 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > > The wiki has definitely had problems recently and we should have a > > good discussion about what we want from it. > > I don’t know since when you are following the wiki development, but > from my point of view, there is nothing that wo

Re: [OSM-talk] highway=* + area=yes vs area:highway=*

sent from a phone > On 11. Aug 2018, at 07:56, Andrew Hain wrote: > > The wiki has definitely had problems recently and we should have a good > discussion about what we want from it. I don’t know since when you are following the wiki development, but from my point of view, there is nothing

Re: [OSM-talk] Is it technically and legally possible to add the Open Location Code to the OSM search?

sent from a phone > On 11. Aug 2018, at 07:28, Martin Trautmann wrote: > > And this is still a two dimensional address only? How about multilevel > buildings? for tall buildings you will add a floor number I guess, and in more complex cases a unit or door number as well. These do not requir