Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit
My dorm room was 2 doors down from her supposed room when she went to UofM freshman year. On the topic of the last time she was in Detroit, it was 2 summers ago. I remember it being the night of Lifefest and being mad because I had to work the Madonna show at the Palace. HBO aired it live. - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:43 AM Subject: (313) Madonna - Detroit This is an left of centre question, but been listening to Madonna's latest. Madonna to me is still a Detroit girl - posh UK accent aside. But I wondered, where exactly was she from in Detroit?
Re: (313) chicago micro-house?
smartbar on thursdays has been bringing in people like matt dear and magda. its not every thursday, but pretty regular. there's occasioal shows at empty bottle. stewart walker and thomas fehlmann were both this past month. unfortunately, there's rarely more than 50 people at any of these shows. but the music is definately out there if you look for it. On Sun, 4 May 2003, David Powers wrote: Any regular nights in chicago featuring micro-house or minimal techno type stuff? Or special events in the next couple months? I am new in town and bored! /dave
Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit
Someone actually wrote to me offlist, saying it's unethical to post about a non-techno Detroit artist, and I take that point, and felt momentarily chastised, but, then again, I feel that in order for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need to see it as part of a wider music culture, not isolate it entirely. It's interesting that, like Motown's HQ, Madonna felt compelled to leave Detroit - though, to be fair, she was determined to be a dancer not singer - whereas the next generation of techno acts (mostly) stayed and now Eminem is staying. That represents a turnaround. Maybe it's generational? Maybe there is a sense of 'reclaiming' or 'reasserting' Detroit. I often wonder if Veronica Electronica, as she once dubbed herself, knows that the 'electronica' she has been recording has antecedents in Detroit. She has discussed 'techno' in an interview published in Mixmag a few years ago - in general terms. Some industry people are now saying that Detroit is the next music hotspot like 'Hotatlanta' was in the 90s. I wonder if there is a sense of this in Detroit? What implications does it have for the electronic scene? I admit I am a fan of Madonna's. I think any female who grew up in the 80s would see her as more than a pop artist. I don't think I would have done what I've done in life without that kind of role model as a kid. Joan Mitchell has accused her of ushering in the manufactured pop star, and she hrself is now retiring because of the malaise in pop, but I feel Madonna was more sophisticated. Madonna has wrtten some very brilliant pop. I rate Ray Of Light, the last albums were uneven, though. Incidentally I hear there is an Octave One remix of the new Massive Attack single. Anyone know anything more? Heh, well when was the last time Madonna was IN the Detroit area, and what the hell has she ever done for Detroit? She moved to New York before a lot of 313 subscribers were born... She's my age for gawdsakes (45) though I'll give it up to her for being in better shape than me. Musically my opinion of Madonna is that she sang on a couple of decent Jellybean tracks and did OK, but the rest of her stuff is pretty average pop music. Voicewise, she has about a 7-half step range, and her delivery rarely rises above a jr high glee club level of artistry. If you want a laugh sometime look at the sheet music for 'Music' -- I like the guitar tab, where the verse is G Major, and the Chorus is G Minor. I bet George Gershwin would be jealous... On Sun, 4 May 2003, The REAL Mxyzptlk wrote: Rochester...Northern (slightly east) suburb.
Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit
for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need Why must techno reach a wider audience? On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 02:29 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Someone actually wrote to me offlist, saying it's unethical to post about a non-techno Detroit artist, and I take that point, and felt momentarily chastised, but, then again, I feel that in order for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need to see it as part of a wider music culture, not isolate it entirely. It's interesting that, like Motown's HQ, Madonna felt compelled to leave Detroit - though, to be fair, she was determined to be a dancer not singer - whereas the next generation of techno acts (mostly) stayed and now Eminem is staying. That represents a turnaround. Maybe it's generational? Maybe there is a sense of 'reclaiming' or 'reasserting' Detroit. I often wonder if Veronica Electronica, as she once dubbed herself, knows that the 'electronica' she has been recording has antecedents in Detroit. She has discussed 'techno' in an interview published in Mixmag a few years ago - in general terms. Some industry people are now saying that Detroit is the next music hotspot like 'Hotatlanta' was in the 90s. I wonder if there is a sense of this in Detroit? What implications does it have for the electronic scene? I admit I am a fan of Madonna's. I think any female who grew up in the 80s would see her as more than a pop artist. I don't think I would have done what I've done in life without that kind of role model as a kid. Joan Mitchell has accused her of ushering in the manufactured pop star, and she hrself is now retiring because of the malaise in pop, but I feel Madonna was more sophisticated. Madonna has wrtten some very brilliant pop. I rate Ray Of Light, the last albums were uneven, though. Incidentally I hear there is an Octave One remix of the new Massive Attack single. Anyone know anything more? Heh, well when was the last time Madonna was IN the Detroit area, and what the hell has she ever done for Detroit? She moved to New York before a lot of 313 subscribers were born... She's my age for gawdsakes (45) though I'll give it up to her for being in better shape than me. Musically my opinion of Madonna is that she sang on a couple of decent Jellybean tracks and did OK, but the rest of her stuff is pretty average pop music. Voicewise, she has about a 7-half step range, and her delivery rarely rises above a jr high glee club level of artistry. If you want a laugh sometime look at the sheet music for 'Music' -- I like the guitar tab, where the verse is G Major, and the Chorus is G Minor. I bet George Gershwin would be jealous... On Sun, 4 May 2003, The REAL Mxyzptlk wrote: Rochester...Northern (slightly east) suburb.
(313) Duck and Cover... was RE: (313) Madonna - Detroit
Oh boy... I'm running for cover on this one, gonna have to inform my isp that I might be receiving a hell of alot of email in the next few days... Out, Patrick. -Original Message- From: a [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 5 May 2003 1:23 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need Why must techno reach a wider audience? On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 02:29 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Someone actually wrote to me offlist, saying it's unethical to post about a non-techno Detroit artist, and I take that point, and felt momentarily chastised, but, then again, I feel that in order for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need to see it as part of a wider music culture, not isolate it entirely. It's interesting that, like Motown's HQ, Madonna felt compelled to leave Detroit - though, to be fair, she was determined to be a dancer not singer - whereas the next generation of techno acts (mostly) stayed and now Eminem is staying. That represents a turnaround. Maybe it's generational? Maybe there is a sense of 'reclaiming' or 'reasserting' Detroit. I often wonder if Veronica Electronica, as she once dubbed herself, knows that the 'electronica' she has been recording has antecedents in Detroit. She has discussed 'techno' in an interview published in Mixmag a few years ago - in general terms. Some industry people are now saying that Detroit is the next music hotspot like 'Hotatlanta' was in the 90s. I wonder if there is a sense of this in Detroit? What implications does it have for the electronic scene? I admit I am a fan of Madonna's. I think any female who grew up in the 80s would see her as more than a pop artist. I don't think I would have done what I've done in life without that kind of role model as a kid. Joan Mitchell has accused her of ushering in the manufactured pop star, and she hrself is now retiring because of the malaise in pop, but I feel Madonna was more sophisticated. Madonna has wrtten some very brilliant pop. I rate Ray Of Light, the last albums were uneven, though. Incidentally I hear there is an Octave One remix of the new Massive Attack single. Anyone know anything more? Heh, well when was the last time Madonna was IN the Detroit area, and what the hell has she ever done for Detroit? She moved to New York before a lot of 313 subscribers were born... She's my age for gawdsakes (45) though I'll give it up to her for being in better shape than me. Musically my opinion of Madonna is that she sang on a couple of decent Jellybean tracks and did OK, but the rest of her stuff is pretty average pop music. Voicewise, she has about a 7-half step range, and her delivery rarely rises above a jr high glee club level of artistry. If you want a laugh sometime look at the sheet music for 'Music' -- I like the guitar tab, where the verse is G Major, and the Chorus is G Minor. I bet George Gershwin would be jealous... On Sun, 4 May 2003, The REAL Mxyzptlk wrote: Rochester...Northern (slightly east) suburb.
(313) SoHo store Ipod picts
For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo iPod release. Rich Hawtin played. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80/lst?.dir=/iPod.view=t my personal faves: mac1,mac,mac12,17,19,26,31 mostly just for artistic or funny things in the back ground. enjoy! diana = my camera go boom:http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80 (YahooIM:dianalynn80::aolIM:pottsdia) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
Re: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
diana potts wrote: For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo iPod release. Rich Hawtin played. Is that hair? I never thought I'd see such a thing... -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
RE: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
Speaking of iPods, wouldn't it be great if you could use that big data wheel to pitch the audio file up or down? Maybe some hacker could work that one out. Dreamin' away... Patrick. -Original Message- From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 5 May 2003 1:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo iPod release. Rich Hawtin played. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80/lst?.dir=/iPod.view=t my personal faves: mac1,mac,mac12,17,19,26,31 mostly just for artistic or funny things in the back ground. enjoy! diana = my camera go boom:http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80 (YahooIM:dianalynn80::aolIM:pottsdia) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
Re: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
hehe. there's more coming. sorry. the 20's didn't upload. yes. that's hair. it's real too. --- Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: diana potts wrote: For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo iPod release. Rich Hawtin played. Is that hair? I never thought I'd see such a thing... -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
RE: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
Cold winter in NYC maybe?? P. -Original Message- From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 5 May 2003 2:08 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts hehe. there's more coming. sorry. the 20's didn't upload. yes. that's hair. it's real too. --- Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: diana potts wrote: For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo iPod release. Rich Hawtin played. Is that hair? I never thought I'd see such a thing... -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
Re: (313) Beam Me Up
Tom Churchill wrote on Sun, 4 May 2003 about following: there's track called beam me up on b-side of pepper And indeed on the 'Ginger' album on Warp. just noticed that it's rene van der weyde's (known from atlantic ocean - waterfall for example) remix on b-side of pepper. sakke -- Timing must be perfect now. Two-timing must be better than perfect.
(313) Dynarec on Delsin
I heard this record 2 days ago and it rocks! Just buy it on-sight. If it is not somebody who is involved with Drexciya they did a hell of a job copying it but i don't mind, get it! [ Dynarec - R Cam EP ] [ 38dsr/dnr1, coming May 19th ] Delsin suprises with some deep slamming electro! After the likeminded sounds of Optic Nerve (aka Keith Tucker), Amsterdam’s eclectic Delsin-label brings another deeply talented electro artist. This striking EP brings energetic stuff, reminding to the earlier releases by Drexciya. The EP kicks off with a short spaced out Dopplereffekt-like jam. The second track boosts all dust out of the disco, with it’s hunting bassline and beats. First track on side b comes with funky intriguing melodies. Last track will shake legs as well, pumping energetic beats come with apocalyptic synth sounds. But it’s not yet the end of the world, a full album is expected early next year! Check this. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Dynarec on Delsin
sorry i forgot the soundbites: [ Sounds: http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-a1.mp3 | http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-a2.mp3 | http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-b1.mp3 | http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-b2.mp3 ] On maandag, mei 5, 2003, at 11:10 Europe/Amsterdam, Klaas Jan Jongsma wrote: I heard this record 2 days ago and it rocks! Just buy it on-sight. If it is not somebody who is involved with Drexciya they did a hell of a job copying it but i don't mind, get it! [ Dynarec - R Cam EP ] [ 38dsr/dnr1, coming May 19th ] Delsin suprises with some deep slamming electro! After the likeminded sounds of Optic Nerve (aka Keith Tucker), Amsterdam’s eclectic Delsin-label brings another deeply talented electro artist. This striking EP brings energetic stuff, reminding to the earlier releases by Drexciya. The EP kicks off with a short spaced out Dopplereffekt-like jam. The second track boosts all dust out of the disco, with it’s hunting bassline and beats. First track on side b comes with funky intriguing melodies. Last track will shake legs as well, pumping energetic beats come with apocalyptic synth sounds. But it’s not yet the end of the world, a full album is expected early next year! Check this. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) ASR is back!
The website (after a long judicial battle) is back up and running with a few new streamable tracks for your listening pleasure. Be sure to check out what the evil ones have been trying to keep from you all!!! http://www.acidsonicresearch.com TJ PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit
Well I think that was always a desire of at least some of the Detroit producers. Also, with the way things are now, it's hard to make an income out of music. People need to eat. Being in demand helps that. -- From: a [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 1:22 PM for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need Why must techno reach a wider audience? On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 02:29 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Someone actually wrote to me offlist, saying it's unethical to post about a non-techno Detroit artist, and I take that point, and felt momentarily chastised, but, then again, I feel that in order for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need to see it as part of a wider music culture, not isolate it entirely. It's interesting that, like Motown's HQ, Madonna felt compelled to leave Detroit - though, to be fair, she was determined to be a dancer not singer - whereas the next generation of techno acts (mostly) stayed and now Eminem is staying. That represents a turnaround. Maybe it's generational? Maybe there is a sense of 'reclaiming' or 'reasserting' Detroit. I often wonder if Veronica Electronica, as she once dubbed herself, knows that the 'electronica' she has been recording has antecedents in Detroit. She has discussed 'techno' in an interview published in Mixmag a few years ago - in general terms. Some industry people are now saying that Detroit is the next music hotspot like 'Hotatlanta' was in the 90s. I wonder if there is a sense of this in Detroit? What implications does it have for the electronic scene? I admit I am a fan of Madonna's. I think any female who grew up in the 80s would see her as more than a pop artist. I don't think I would have done what I've done in life without that kind of role model as a kid. Joan Mitchell has accused her of ushering in the manufactured pop star, and she hrself is now retiring because of the malaise in pop, but I feel Madonna was more sophisticated. Madonna has wrtten some very brilliant pop. I rate Ray Of Light, the last albums were uneven, though. Incidentally I hear there is an Octave One remix of the new Massive Attack single. Anyone know anything more? Heh, well when was the last time Madonna was IN the Detroit area, and what the hell has she ever done for Detroit? She moved to New York before a lot of 313 subscribers were born... She's my age for gawdsakes (45) though I'll give it up to her for being in better shape than me. Musically my opinion of Madonna is that she sang on a couple of decent Jellybean tracks and did OK, but the rest of her stuff is pretty average pop music. Voicewise, she has about a 7-half step range, and her delivery rarely rises above a jr high glee club level of artistry. If you want a laugh sometime look at the sheet music for 'Music' -- I like the guitar tab, where the verse is G Major, and the Chorus is G Minor. I bet George Gershwin would be jealous... On Sun, 4 May 2003, The REAL Mxyzptlk wrote: Rochester...Northern (slightly east) suburb.
RE: (313) Madonna - Detroit
why does it need to stay 'reserved for the cool people'??? how long is a piece of string? ab -Original Message- From: a [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:53 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need Why must techno reach a wider audience? On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 02:29 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Someone actually wrote to me offlist, saying it's unethical to post about a non-techno Detroit artist, and I take that point, and felt momentarily chastised, but, then again, I feel that in order for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need to see it as part of a wider music culture, not isolate it entirely. It's interesting that, like Motown's HQ, Madonna felt compelled to leave Detroit - though, to be fair, she was determined to be a dancer not singer - whereas the next generation of techno acts (mostly) stayed and now Eminem is staying. That represents a turnaround. Maybe it's generational? Maybe there is a sense of 'reclaiming' or 'reasserting' Detroit. I often wonder if Veronica Electronica, as she once dubbed herself, knows that the 'electronica' she has been recording has antecedents in Detroit. She has discussed 'techno' in an interview published in Mixmag a few years ago - in general terms. Some industry people are now saying that Detroit is the next music hotspot like 'Hotatlanta' was in the 90s. I wonder if there is a sense of this in Detroit? What implications does it have for the electronic scene? I admit I am a fan of Madonna's. I think any female who grew up in the 80s would see her as more than a pop artist. I don't think I would have done what I've done in life without that kind of role model as a kid. Joan Mitchell has accused her of ushering in the manufactured pop star, and she hrself is now retiring because of the malaise in pop, but I feel Madonna was more sophisticated. Madonna has wrtten some very brilliant pop. I rate Ray Of Light, the last albums were uneven, though. Incidentally I hear there is an Octave One remix of the new Massive Attack single. Anyone know anything more? Heh, well when was the last time Madonna was IN the Detroit area, and what the hell has she ever done for Detroit? She moved to New York before a lot of 313 subscribers were born... She's my age for gawdsakes (45) though I'll give it up to her for being in better shape than me. Musically my opinion of Madonna is that she sang on a couple of decent Jellybean tracks and did OK, but the rest of her stuff is pretty average pop music. Voicewise, she has about a 7-half step range, and her delivery rarely rises above a jr high glee club level of artistry. If you want a laugh sometime look at the sheet music for 'Music' -- I like the guitar tab, where the verse is G Major, and the Chorus is G Minor. I bet George Gershwin would be jealous... On Sun, 4 May 2003, The REAL Mxyzptlk wrote: Rochester...Northern (slightly east) suburb. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003
(313) bubbles cookies
hello all, it's monday you're bored?... http://www.homepage.mac.com/reallynice/ - a mini site where you can download some of my newer stuff. some spacey hip hop vibes a couple of ethnic flavored (brazilian/dub) downtempo workouts. all aces balance are from the forthcoming ep tell me more about bubbles on my own label, really nice recordings. probably early autumn on that. the other three are from a full length album, accepting cookies - still working out the label release details on this one, let it be your favorite mystery. i'm not giving away the best stuff right now rob, they gotta buy something! go get 'em y'all. j
(313) Track id - help!
Heard a Richie Hawtin (live @ Mixmag) in Toronto - 96'? Can't believe how much his mixing/music style has changed. The set is composed of mostly acidhouse/tech stuff. The last track that my friend has recorded is the track I'm seeking. It's this melodic/acid track where the melody rolls in then the acid line rolls in and they keep playing with eachother throughout the track, then this women vocal comes in - she's not actually saying anything, just doing the soul hum thing to the melody - pretty sexy. He keeps the track on for quite awhile compared to some of the other stuff he played during the set. This might be difficult because I don't have to much information - so if this doesn't ring a bell I'll look for more specifics and re-send this. Appreciate the help! Luke
Re: (313) Track id - help!
Ramon IV - Altes Testament on the label Ladomat Great track On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 13:20 Atlantic/Reykjavik, tuneintuition wrote: Heard a Richie Hawtin (live @ Mixmag) in Toronto - 96'? Can't believe how much his mixing/music style has changed. The set is composed of mostly acidhouse/tech stuff. The last track that my friend has recorded is the track I'm seeking. It's this melodic/acid track where the melody rolls in then the acid line rolls in and they keep playing with eachother throughout the track, then this women vocal comes in - she's not actually saying anything, just doing the soul hum thing to the melody - pretty sexy. He keeps the track on for quite awhile compared to some of the other stuff he played during the set. This might be difficult because I don't have to much information - so if this doesn't ring a bell I'll look for more specifics and re-send this. Appreciate the help! Luke
Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit
why does it need to stay 'reserved for the cool people'??? Did I say that? On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 11:59 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Alex Bates wrote: why does it need to stay 'reserved for the cool people'??? how long is a piece of string? ab -Original Message- From: a [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:53 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need Why must techno reach a wider audience? On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 02:29 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Someone actually wrote to me offlist, saying it's unethical to post about a non-techno Detroit artist, and I take that point, and felt momentarily chastised, but, then again, I feel that in order for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need to see it as part of a wider music culture, not isolate it entirely. It's interesting that, like Motown's HQ, Madonna felt compelled to leave Detroit - though, to be fair, she was determined to be a dancer not singer - whereas the next generation of techno acts (mostly) stayed and now Eminem is staying. That represents a turnaround. Maybe it's generational? Maybe there is a sense of 'reclaiming' or 'reasserting' Detroit. I often wonder if Veronica Electronica, as she once dubbed herself, knows that the 'electronica' she has been recording has antecedents in Detroit. She has discussed 'techno' in an interview published in Mixmag a few years ago - in general terms. Some industry people are now saying that Detroit is the next music hotspot like 'Hotatlanta' was in the 90s. I wonder if there is a sense of this in Detroit? What implications does it have for the electronic scene? I admit I am a fan of Madonna's. I think any female who grew up in the 80s would see her as more than a pop artist. I don't think I would have done what I've done in life without that kind of role model as a kid. Joan Mitchell has accused her of ushering in the manufactured pop star, and she hrself is now retiring because of the malaise in pop, but I feel Madonna was more sophisticated. Madonna has wrtten some very brilliant pop. I rate Ray Of Light, the last albums were uneven, though. Incidentally I hear there is an Octave One remix of the new Massive Attack single. Anyone know anything more? Heh, well when was the last time Madonna was IN the Detroit area, and what the hell has she ever done for Detroit? She moved to New York before a lot of 313 subscribers were born... She's my age for gawdsakes (45) though I'll give it up to her for being in better shape than me. Musically my opinion of Madonna is that she sang on a couple of decent Jellybean tracks and did OK, but the rest of her stuff is pretty average pop music. Voicewise, she has about a 7-half step range, and her delivery rarely rises above a jr high glee club level of artistry. If you want a laugh sometime look at the sheet music for 'Music' -- I like the guitar tab, where the verse is G Major, and the Chorus is G Minor. I bet George Gershwin would be jealous... On Sun, 4 May 2003, The REAL Mxyzptlk wrote: Rochester...Northern (slightly east) suburb. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003
RE: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
I stopped by the mac store in SOHO to take a look at the 30 GB IPOD on sat. , it was all sold out ! -Pete -Original Message- From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo iPod release. Rich Hawtin played. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80/lst?.dir=/iPod.view=t my personal faves: mac1,mac,mac12,17,19,26,31 mostly just for artistic or funny things in the back ground. enjoy! diana = my camera go boom:http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80 (YahooIM:dianalynn80::aolIM:pottsdia) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
RE: (313) Madonna - Detroit
no you didnt but a lot of people who like techno would like it to be like that ab -Original Message- From: a [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:22 PM To: Alex Bates Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit why does it need to stay 'reserved for the cool people'??? Did I say that? On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 11:59 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Alex Bates wrote: why does it need to stay 'reserved for the cool people'??? how long is a piece of string? ab -Original Message- From: a [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:53 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need Why must techno reach a wider audience? On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 02:29 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Someone actually wrote to me offlist, saying it's unethical to post about a non-techno Detroit artist, and I take that point, and felt momentarily chastised, but, then again, I feel that in order for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need to see it as part of a wider music culture, not isolate it entirely. It's interesting that, like Motown's HQ, Madonna felt compelled to leave Detroit - though, to be fair, she was determined to be a dancer not singer - whereas the next generation of techno acts (mostly) stayed and now Eminem is staying. That represents a turnaround. Maybe it's generational? Maybe there is a sense of 'reclaiming' or 'reasserting' Detroit. I often wonder if Veronica Electronica, as she once dubbed herself, knows that the 'electronica' she has been recording has antecedents in Detroit. She has discussed 'techno' in an interview published in Mixmag a few years ago - in general terms. Some industry people are now saying that Detroit is the next music hotspot like 'Hotatlanta' was in the 90s. I wonder if there is a sense of this in Detroit? What implications does it have for the electronic scene? I admit I am a fan of Madonna's. I think any female who grew up in the 80s would see her as more than a pop artist. I don't think I would have done what I've done in life without that kind of role model as a kid. Joan Mitchell has accused her of ushering in the manufactured pop star, and she hrself is now retiring because of the malaise in pop, but I feel Madonna was more sophisticated. Madonna has wrtten some very brilliant pop. I rate Ray Of Light, the last albums were uneven, though. Incidentally I hear there is an Octave One remix of the new Massive Attack single. Anyone know anything more? Heh, well when was the last time Madonna was IN the Detroit area, and what the hell has she ever done for Detroit? She moved to New York before a lot of 313 subscribers were born... She's my age for gawdsakes (45) though I'll give it up to her for being in better shape than me. Musically my opinion of Madonna is that she sang on a couple of decent Jellybean tracks and did OK, but the rest of her stuff is pretty average pop music. Voicewise, she has about a 7-half step range, and her delivery rarely rises above a jr high glee club level of artistry. If you want a laugh sometime look at the sheet music for 'Music' -- I like the guitar tab, where the verse is G Major, and the Chorus is G Minor. I bet George Gershwin would be jealous... On Sun, 4 May 2003, The REAL Mxyzptlk wrote: Rochester...Northern (slightly east) suburb. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/28/2003
RE: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
LOL. Rich is trying to get apple to put a pitch control in. We'll see if he can lobby up enough support to do this. I agree though, adding it to the software and controlloing it via the data wheel ( so smooth... ) would work perfectly well and wouldn't be that hard. -Pete -Original Message- From: Southern Outpost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:05 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts Speaking of iPods, wouldn't it be great if you could use that big data wheel to pitch the audio file up or down? Maybe some hacker could work that one out. Dreamin' away... Patrick. -Original Message- From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 5 May 2003 1:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo iPod release. Rich Hawtin played. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80/lst?.dir=/iPod.view=t my personal faves: mac1,mac,mac12,17,19,26,31 mostly just for artistic or funny things in the back ground. enjoy! diana = my camera go boom:http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80 (YahooIM:dianalynn80::aolIM:pottsdia) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
(313) heads-only techno? nah
Heh. I don't know who those people are; I'd like Techno to be the next hip hop. While there's nothing like the vibe of a party where everyone there is well into the music, but economically the audience needs to expand or it's just going to be a hobby for all but a few people lucky enough to make a living at it. Wait, I think that's pretty much the case now. On Mon, 5 May 2003, Alex Bates wrote: no you didnt but a lot of people who like techno would like it to be like that From: a [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:22 PM To: Alex Bates Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit why does it need to stay 'reserved for the cool people'??? Did I say that?
Re: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
How much are those things, like $400?? damn - that's a bit steep for an mp3 player even a hard drive based one. :-( Jim J. - Original Message - From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'diana potts' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:59 AM Subject: RE: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts I stopped by the mac store in SOHO to take a look at the 30 GB IPOD on sat. , it was all sold out ! -Pete -Original Message- From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo iPod release. Rich Hawtin played. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80/lst?.dir=/iPod.view=t my personal faves: mac1,mac,mac12,17,19,26,31 mostly just for artistic or funny things in the back ground. enjoy! diana = my camera go boom:http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80 (YahooIM:dianalynn80::aolIM:pottsdia) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
Re: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
apologies for the photo page not working. i dont know what's up. pre-posting to 313 it worked fine when tested on others. If anyone knows how to get a hold of yahoo support-send the 411 this way --- JL Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much are those things, like $400?? damn - that's a bit steep for an mp3 player even a hard drive based one. :-( Jim J. - Original Message - From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'diana potts' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:59 AM Subject: RE: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts I stopped by the mac store in SOHO to take a look at the 30 GB IPOD on sat. , it was all sold out ! -Pete -Original Message- From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo iPod release. Rich Hawtin played. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80/lst?.dir=/iPod.view=t my personal faves: mac1,mac,mac12,17,19,26,31 mostly just for artistic or funny things in the back ground. enjoy! diana = my camera go boom:http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80 (YahooIM:dianalynn80::aolIM:pottsdia) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
Re: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
On Mon, 5 May 2003, diana potts wrote: apologies for the photo page not working. i dont know what's up. pre-posting to 313 it worked fine when tested on others. If anyone knows how to get a hold of yahoo support-send the 411 this way Yahoo has support?
RE: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
it's $450 for the 30GB, well worth it in my opinion. It's nice having my entire collection of cd's with me + also the vinyl i've encoded, with room to spare... the new ones are super light + a bit sleeker too. -Pete -Original Message- From: JL Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:03 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts How much are those things, like $400?? damn - that's a bit steep for an mp3 player even a hard drive based one. :-( Jim J. - Original Message - From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'diana potts' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 9:59 AM Subject: RE: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts I stopped by the mac store in SOHO to take a look at the 30 GB IPOD on sat. , it was all sold out ! -Pete -Original Message- From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo iPod release. Rich Hawtin played. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80/lst?.dir=/iPod.view=t my personal faves: mac1,mac,mac12,17,19,26,31 mostly just for artistic or funny things in the back ground. enjoy! diana = my camera go boom:http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80 (YahooIM:dianalynn80::aolIM:pottsdia) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
RE: (313) heads-only techno? nah
odon't think that'll go over well with the heads in detroit. Don't want to get into the whole elitism thing again, butguess heads will have to except that our underground scene will eventually be a POP-MTV-CEO controlled genreif it becomes the next hip hop. I mean...I LOVE hiphop...but it's getting a little too...well...MTV!! Personally, I think that keeping things the way they are is one way to keep some quality control on things. After all...a lot of hiphop is ABOUT the $$...can't think of any techno that iswell...MAYBE GhettoTekbut that's more about THAT ASS!!! haha ...unleash the comments. d$ -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:43 AM To: Alex Bates Cc: a; 313 Detroit Subject: (313) heads-only techno? nah Heh. I don't know who those people are; I'd like Techno to be the next hip hop. While there's nothing like the vibe of a party where everyone there is well into the music, but economically the audience needs to expand or it's just going to be a hobby for all but a few people lucky enough to make a living at it. Wait, I think that's pretty much the case now. On Mon, 5 May 2003, Alex Bates wrote: no you didnt but a lot of people who like techno would like it to be like that From: a [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 11:22 PM To: Alex Bates Cc: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit why does it need to stay 'reserved for the cool people'??? Did I say that?
RE: (313) heads-only techno? nah
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote: odon't think that'll go over well with the heads in detroit. Don't want to get into the whole elitism thing again, butguess heads will have to except that our underground scene will eventually be a POP-MTV-CEO controlled genreif it becomes the next hip hop. I mean...I LOVE hiphop...but it's getting a little too...well...MTV!! I think what Kent is referring to is the mass support that hiphop receives on the radio, on tours, on television, and the like. Personally, I think that keeping things the way they are is one way to keep some quality control on things. After all...a lot of hiphop is ABOUT the $$...can't think of any techno that iswell...MAYBE GhettoTekbut that's more about THAT ASS!!! haha This is where the comparisons end, largely because much of techno is instrumental. Delivery, Flow, Rhythmic complexity, all have undoubtedly improved in rap music...and part of that is because more people listen and participate in it. The thing that has dried up is content. Rap played on popular radio stations isn't really saying much. I attribute this to the political economy of popular music. Because the emphasis in techno is not on lyrics--again MOST of techno is instrumental--I think that if techno did become as strong as hiphop in the states we'd get all of the benefits (as far as growth of the artform) without the detriments (content that is arguably vulgar and spirit-killing). I'd make the same argument for house, even though there is a strong lyrical component to it. You just can't sing about Benzes the way you can about unrequited love, or about worship. lks
Re: (313) Madonna - Detroit
Someone actually wrote to me offlist, saying it's unethical to post about a non-techno Detroit artist, and I take that point, and felt momentarily chastised I don't think you should feel chastised, Cyclone - this is the 313 list, not a solely Detroit techno list. Eminem, MC5, White Stripes, they're all valid subjects for discussion here AFAIK. Incidentally I hear there is an Octave One remix of the new Massive Attack single. Anyone know anything more? I have it, it's called 'Butterfly Caught'. It's a nice groove, but not much more. It comes with two downtempo Paul Daley mixes, but none of them have a vocal. Anyone know if there was a vocal on the MA original? I presume not but if there was, why dump it? I never understand it when remixers do that. TOM NP: John Tejada Arian Leviste: Fairfax Sake
RE: (313) heads-only techno? nah
I think what Kent is referring to is the mass support that hiphop receives on the radio, on tours, on television, and the like. I agree these could do wonders...but with the good, comes the bad, that's all. Some recognition WOULD be nice. Minus the exploitation. ...but we obviously have WAY too much time on our hands..after all...it's Monday morning!haha d$
RE: (313) heads-only techno? nah
On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote: I think what Kent is referring to is the mass support that hiphop receives on the radio, on tours, on television, and the like. I agree these could do wonders...but with the good, comes the bad, that's all. Some recognition WOULD be nice. Minus the exploitation. That's right...though I read SOMEWHERE (maybe Norman Kelley's RHythm and Business? maybe Salon?) that independent labels are more apt to exploit because their artists aren't part of the union. Too many stories about beats getting jacked and folks not getting credit for us to valorize being underground TOO much. ...but we obviously have WAY too much time on our hands..after all...it's Monday morning! haha ...and in my case I can easily grade black nationalism papers and read email. I've got the best job in the WORLD! :) lks
RE: (313) heads-only techno? nah
I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support among the general populace that it's a) taken seriously as a musical form b) gains a large enough audience to support events in places other than major cities. Not only has techno never really entered the pop music scene in the US, techno and dance music seems to be dying on the vine out here in the hinterlands. A couple of years ago we could bring out prominent Detroit and Chicago artists and not lose our shirts. No more. I don't think Iowa is unique, either. Factors like the putrid state of the US Economy, Anti-rave laws, changing tastes, have made it harder to find an audience for the music. On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote: odon't think that'll go over well with the heads in detroit. Don't want to get into the whole elitism thing again, butguess heads will have to except that our underground scene will eventually be a POP-MTV-CEO controlled genreif it becomes the next hip hop. I mean...I LOVE hiphop...but it's getting a little too...well...MTV!!
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support among the general populace that it's taken seriously as a musical form Why? On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 15:45 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Kent williams wrote: I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support among the general populace that it's a) taken seriously as a musical form b) gains a large enough audience to support events in places other than major cities. Not only has techno never really entered the pop music scene in the US, techno and dance music seems to be dying on the vine out here in the hinterlands. A couple of years ago we could bring out prominent Detroit and Chicago artists and not lose our shirts. No more. I don't think Iowa is unique, either. Factors like the putrid state of the US Economy, Anti-rave laws, changing tastes, have made it harder to find an audience for the music. On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote: odon't think that'll go over well with the heads in detroit. Don't want to get into the whole elitism thing again, butguess heads will have to except that our underground scene will eventually be a POP-MTV-CEO controlled genreif it becomes the next hip hop. I mean...I LOVE hiphop...but it's getting a little too...well...MTV!!
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
On Mon, 5 May 2003, a wrote: I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support among the general populace that it's taken seriously as a musical form Why? I dunno, maybe because I take it seriously as a musical form? Because American Dance Music pretty much rules the rest of the world, while most American Techno artists are lucky to make as much money as the assistant manager of a used car dealership? Because it's an indigenous novel, indigenous art form? Why ask why?
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
I think it's something that the creators of the music have consistently expressed, they want recognition for their artform - when others (eg Oakenfold) are getting credit for it. But more than that it's a matter of being able to draw an income from it. Unless you got a second job. I have this saying 'underground needs to eat'. If you're really underground, no one knows you, how can you get international bookings? It costs a fortune to tour acts now and promoters favour those with a profile. Putting out music is an expensive enterprise. Marketing, everything. How can you promote your music without touring? It's pretty straightforward. I think this is why many of the creators want some recognition. They want to earn a living from their music to support themselves and have some financial security. People often forget that music-making is still a process of labour. Musicians still got to pay the bills. Sure, UR are very underground and have made it work, same with KDJ, but they are clever enough to devise alternative ways of marketing themselves. Anti-marketing. Recognition brings other opportunities too - like commisioned work for art galleries of whatever. It's not a case of wanting MTV and Hype Williams videos, it's more subtle. -- From: a [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 2:10 AM I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support among the general populace that it's taken seriously as a musical form Why? On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 15:45 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Kent williams wrote: I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support among the general populace that it's a) taken seriously as a musical form b) gains a large enough audience to support events in places other than major cities. Not only has techno never really entered the pop music scene in the US, techno and dance music seems to be dying on the vine out here in the hinterlands. A couple of years ago we could bring out prominent Detroit and Chicago artists and not lose our shirts. No more. I don't think Iowa is unique, either. Factors like the putrid state of the US Economy, Anti-rave laws, changing tastes, have made it harder to find an audience for the music. On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote: odon't think that'll go over well with the heads in detroit. Don't want to get into the whole elitism thing again, butguess heads will have to except that our underground scene will eventually be a POP-MTV-CEO controlled genreif it becomes the next hip hop. I mean...I LOVE hiphop...but it's getting a little too...well...MTV!!
(313) New Mix from a Weird Date
Happy Cinqo de Mayo, or bank holiday, depending where you are. Since it was a beautiful day in London yesterday, I stayed inside and mixed for three hours - because I'm stupid like that. I remembered to press record for about the last two hours of it, so you'll be joining a mix in progress should you choose to accept this mission. As you can see from the brevity of the tracklist I let this stuff play out for the most part. Lots of house, some more house, and a few odd bits of other stuff to boot. Mostly newer stuff too. Not my best mixing ever, but nothing too horrendous (I hope you'll agree) except when the breeze in my flat knocked the needle mid-mix in a place or two. :/ Prepare your hi-speed connection and delete some pr0n from your hard drive, as this is just over 100MB. http://www.phonopsia.co.uk/mixes/TristanWatkins543Mix.mp3 Tracklist: Isolee - It s About (Lopazz und Casio Casinos Maxi Mix) - Freundinnen Ramiro Mendes - Angola (Carl Craig's Mix) - Lusafrica Pitch Black City featuring Roberta Sweed - Runaway - Mahogani Music Sun Ra - Saga of Resistance (Theo Parrish Promo Version) - Kindrid Spirits Blaze - Gloria Muse - Slip n' Slide Kunuyuki - Precious Hall - Natural Resource Walter Jones - All God's Chilren (Juan Nunez Little Chris Rmx) - Westbound Music Passion Dance Orchestra - After the Dance - Inner Music Soha - Balance - Basic Recordings Ola Jagun the Ancestral Rhythms - Odo Oya (The Rebirth Version) - Spiritual Life Music Osunlade - Rader Du (featuring Wunmi) - Soul Jazz Records Kemit Sources - An Ka Sein - Isma'a Rima - This World (12 Version) - Jazzanova Compost Records Terrence Parker - Your Love - !K7 Glad Today - Thoughts of You - M-Break Recordings Atjazz - Dry Red Line - Mantis Recordings Brooks - Dripping in Glod - Mantis Recordings House of Gypsies - Sume Sigh Say (Tee's Ultimate Vocal) - In House Records Joshua - Hustlin' - Select Recordings Headman - It Rough (Chicken Lips Trax Dub) - Gomma Nubian Mindz - Burning - Twisted Funk Gotan Project - Santa Maria (Del Buen Ayre) (Pepe Bradock Wider Remix) - Ya Basta! Francois de Roubaix - La Mer est Grande (Carl Craig Remix) - Sido Music Pub - Surgery - Ampoule Records Enjoy! Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) New Mix from a Weird Date
You've just made my day! I was just wondering what to put on next when all I had was techno or a colleague's Breeders album, not being in the mood for either. Cheers T -Original Message- From: Phonopsia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:34 PM To: 313 Subject: (313) New Mix from a Weird Date Happy Cinqo de Mayo, or bank holiday, depending where you are. Since it was a beautiful day in London yesterday, I stayed inside and mixed for three hours - because I'm stupid like that. I remembered to press record for about the last two hours of it, so you'll be joining a mix in progress should you choose to accept this mission. As you can see from the brevity of the tracklist I let this stuff play out for the most part. Lots of house, some more house, and a few odd bits of other stuff to boot. Mostly newer stuff too. Not my best mixing ever, but nothing too horrendous (I hope you'll agree) except when the breeze in my flat knocked the needle mid-mix in a place or two. :/ Prepare your hi-speed connection and delete some pr0n from your hard drive, as this is just over 100MB. http://www.phonopsia.co.uk/mixes/TristanWatkins543Mix.mp3 Tracklist: Isolee - It s About (Lopazz und Casio Casinos Maxi Mix) - Freundinnen Ramiro Mendes - Angola (Carl Craig's Mix) - Lusafrica Pitch Black City featuring Roberta Sweed - Runaway - Mahogani Music Sun Ra - Saga of Resistance (Theo Parrish Promo Version) - Kindrid Spirits Blaze - Gloria Muse - Slip n' Slide Kunuyuki - Precious Hall - Natural Resource Walter Jones - All God's Chilren (Juan Nunez Little Chris Rmx) - Westbound Music Passion Dance Orchestra - After the Dance - Inner Music Soha - Balance - Basic Recordings Ola Jagun the Ancestral Rhythms - Odo Oya (The Rebirth Version) - Spiritual Life Music Osunlade - Rader Du (featuring Wunmi) - Soul Jazz Records Kemit Sources - An Ka Sein - Isma'a Rima - This World (12 Version) - Jazzanova Compost Records Terrence Parker - Your Love - !K7 Glad Today - Thoughts of You - M-Break Recordings Atjazz - Dry Red Line - Mantis Recordings Brooks - Dripping in Glod - Mantis Recordings House of Gypsies - Sume Sigh Say (Tee's Ultimate Vocal) - In House Records Joshua - Hustlin' - Select Recordings Headman - It Rough (Chicken Lips Trax Dub) - Gomma Nubian Mindz - Burning - Twisted Funk Gotan Project - Santa Maria (Del Buen Ayre) (Pepe Bradock Wider Remix) - Ya Basta! Francois de Roubaix - La Mer est Grande (Carl Craig Remix) - Sido Music Pub - Surgery - Ampoule Records Enjoy! Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
I dunno, maybe because I take it seriously as a musical form? Isn't that enough? On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 16:18 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Kent williams wrote: On Mon, 5 May 2003, a wrote: I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support among the general populace that it's taken seriously as a musical form Why? I dunno, maybe because I take it seriously as a musical form? Because American Dance Music pretty much rules the rest of the world, while most American Techno artists are lucky to make as much money as the assistant manager of a used car dealership? Because it's an indigenous novel, indigenous art form? Why ask why?
Re: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
did he play anything that was identified as new plastikman? how was it? On Sun, 4 May 2003, diana potts wrote: For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo iPod release. Rich Hawtin played. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80/lst?.dir=/iPod.view=t my personal faves: mac1,mac,mac12,17,19,26,31 mostly just for artistic or funny things in the back ground. enjoy! diana = my camera go boom:http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80 (YahooIM:dianalynn80::aolIM:pottsdia) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
Re: (313) New Mix from a Weird Date
Kunuyuki - Precious Hall - Natural Resource Oh my god. This is the first time I hear this song. But this must be one of the best recordings of the last 10 years!
RE: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
i went and hung out with keith kemp who was playing at one of the chicago stores. he said over a dozen people asked him the same thing. i'm certain Apples on it. i'd bet they alreay have a prototype finished. they'll probably release a special dj model in a year, once the current buzz starts to fade. its all in the marketing people...but man does it make me wnant one of those $500 boxes. On Mon, 5 May 2003, Grammenos, Peter wrote: LOL. Rich is trying to get apple to put a pitch control in. We'll see if he can lobby up enough support to do this. I agree though, adding it to the software and controlloing it via the data wheel ( so smooth... ) would work perfectly well and wouldn't be that hard. -Pete -Original Message- From: Southern Outpost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 12:05 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts Speaking of iPods, wouldn't it be great if you could use that big data wheel to pitch the audio file up or down? Maybe some hacker could work that one out. Dreamin' away... Patrick. -Original Message- From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 5 May 2003 1:59 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo iPod release. Rich Hawtin played. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80/lst?.dir=/iPod.view=t my personal faves: mac1,mac,mac12,17,19,26,31 mostly just for artistic or funny things in the back ground. enjoy! diana = my camera go boom:http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80 (YahooIM:dianalynn80::aolIM:pottsdia) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
Re: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
nothing was identified as such. ie. grabbing a mic and saying 'hey this is my new plastikman track!!' What woulda been even better is if he followed that by saying 'yo what's the dealio!!';) rich ran the gammit with his set. it was smooth though. I didnt appreciate how smooth it was until the guy after him went on and sounded incredibly chunky and unfocused. The guy went from straight up house to get yer freak on. BUT from what i understand rich is no stranger to the ipod, so he had that advantage. he played everything from Yellow, to german glitch and industrial. I wasn't really in trainspotter mode. so pardon the complete vagueness. Perhaps it's just because I wasn't looking out for the new material, just really paying attention to the scenery and all the pretty machines that surrounded me.I can tell you that compared to the guy who followed Rich, Rich's track selections were perfection from a music geek standpoint. However there were a lot of ppl there who could have cared less and boogied more to the guy who followed then all the glitch/techno dorks dancing for rich's tracks. one of the picts i took summed it up nicely. it's rich's head with the Mac store sign for the PRO section in the foreground. I'm writing something up on it all for selekta. hopefully it'll be done soon. now to get my picture gallery working. d --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did he play anything that was identified as new plastikman? how was it? On Sun, 4 May 2003, diana potts wrote: For those interested...I took pictures at the SoHo iPod release. Rich Hawtin played. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80/lst?.dir=/iPod.view=t my personal faves: mac1,mac,mac12,17,19,26,31 mostly just for artistic or funny things in the back ground. enjoy! diana = my camera go boom:http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/dianalynn80 (YahooIM:dianalynn80::aolIM:pottsdia) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote: Personally, I think that keeping things the way they are is one way to keep some quality control on things. By imposing quality control requirements on a nebulous and intangible group like a whole community, you shift the responsibility away from the individual artists and listeners, who can probably better make quality judgements for themselves. Furthermore, how does a small listener base translate into higher quality? The two aren't logically connected. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) Dynarec on Delsin
Agreed! A great record! Go on, Marsel! ;-) Cheers, Arne Klaas Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: sorry i forgot the soundbites: [ Sounds: http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-a1.mp3 | http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-a2.mp3 | http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-b1.mp3 | http://www.delsin.org/38dsr/38dsr-b2.mp3 ] On maandag, mei 5, 2003, at 11:10 Europe/Amsterdam, Klaas Jan Jongsma wrote: I heard this record 2 days ago and it rocks! Just buy it on-sight. If it is not somebody who is involved with Drexciya they did a hell of a job copying it but i don't mind, get it! [ Dynarec - R Cam EP ] [ 38dsr/dnr1, coming May 19th ] Delsin suprises with some deep slamming electro! After the likeminded sounds of Optic Nerve (aka Keith Tucker), Amsterdam’s eclectic Delsin-label brings another deeply talented electro artist. This striking EP brings energetic stuff, reminding to the earlier releases by Drexciya. The EP kicks off with a short spaced out Dopplereffekt-like jam. The second track boosts all dust out of the disco, with it’s hunting bassline and beats. First track on side b comes with funky intriguing melodies. Last track will shake legs as well, pumping energetic beats come with apocalyptic synth sounds. But it’s not yet the end of the world, a full album is expected early next year! Check this. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- °°° www.arneweinberg.de KEYNOTE Rec. DOWN LOW MUSIC STARBABY Rec. NATIVE Rec. °°°
(313) Rushhour [ OT ]
I got an email back from them two weeks ago asking for my CC, saying my order was ready, and I haven't received anything yet. I tried emailing them 3x but no response.. Anyone else have experience with them? --- Peter Grammenos Goldman Sachs Co. Tel : 212.902.2446 ---
RE: (313) heads-only techno? nah
how does a small listener base translate into higher quality? The two aren't logically connected. It's not a thought based on #'s, but more so on survival of the fittest. But I don't have time to explain... Ya know what I mean! ...but it's something we could debate FOREVER, so -Original Message- From: Dennis DeSantis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:30 PM To: 313 Detroit Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote: Personally, I think that keeping things the way they are is one way to keep some quality control on things. By imposing quality control requirements on a nebulous and intangible group like a whole community, you shift the responsibility away from the individual artists and listeners, who can probably better make quality judgements for themselves. Furthermore, how does a small listener base translate into higher quality? The two aren't logically connected. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
RE: (313) heads-only techno? nah
I hear you on this kent. Lansing, mi. be it not the biggest techno scene in the state, but we used to have competing parties on saturday nights here in '99. promoters started having a hard time getting venues, the police started cracking down, and some kids graduated. now the scene is pretty small and most of the people who do like the music feel they are either to old or they have already been there and done that. lansing now has a couple of clubs temple and spiral but it is hard to get even 150 people on a regular bases to either of these places. which makes the bar owners want to try something different. record stores are closing, vinyl addict is gone, spin cycle is being sold to a hip hop dj, she says she will stock techno, but scottie really did not stock it anymore anyways, thank god FBC is still here john is my savior. i have been trying to figure it out, maybe its the loss of the feeling of the time? maybe it's the loss of the venues? maybe it's people stopped doing certian drugs? i really thought it was just techno but it's all electronic genres (jungle and trance). so is the electronic hype leaving? i have not really noticed an increase in rock groups coming up here. we have even lost some rock venues too. scotto lansing, mi. plaztikjezuz.com I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support among the general populace that it's a) taken seriously as a musical form b) gains a large enough audience to support events in places other than major cities. Not only has techno never really entered the pop music scene in the US, techno and dance music seems to be dying on the vine out here in the hinterlands. A couple of years ago we could bring out prominent Detroit and Chicago artists and not lose our shirts. No more. I don't think Iowa is unique, either. Factors like the putrid state of the US Economy, Anti-rave laws, changing tastes, have made it harder to find an audience for the music. On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote: odon't think that'll go over well with the heads in detroit. Don't want to get into the whole elitism thing again, butguess heads will have to except that our underground scene will eventually be a POP-MTV-CEO controlled genreif it becomes the next hip hop. I mean...I LOVE hiphop...but it's getting a little too...well...MTV!!
Re: (313) New Mix from a Weird Date
- Original Message - From: Maarten Baute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 6:11 PM Subject: Re: (313) New Mix from a Weird Date Kunuyuki - Precious Hall - Natural Resource Oh my god. This is the first time I hear this song. But this must be one of the best recordings of the last 10 years! My favorite tune of last year easy. :) Actually, I already need a new copy b/c this one has been chewed in less than 6 months... Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ]
I got an email back from them two weeks ago asking for my CC, saying my order was ready, and I haven't received anything yet. I tried emailing them 3x but no response.. Anyone else have experience with them? Yeah... never had any problems with them... but last week they also asked me to mai lmy Credit Card number, wich I didn´t do.. Because anyone listening on port 25 of my computer, could intercept some TCP packages. So I called them... and there Erik told me that he had my credit card number and there were no problems. Strange. Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ]
Yeh, they're consistently reliable. I've ordered plenty of times and never had a problem. Maybe give them a call? Sean. From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/05/05 Mon PM 12:48:20 CDT To: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Rushhour [ OT ] I got an email back from them two weeks ago asking for my CC, saying my order was ready, and I haven't received anything yet. I tried emailing them 3x but no response.. Anyone else have experience with them? --- Peter Grammenos Goldman Sachs Co. Tel : 212.902.2446 ---
Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ]
sounds like maybe someone got ahold of their contact list and is trying to scam CC numbers? I'd definately follow-up on that - Original Message - From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ] Yeh, they're consistently reliable. I've ordered plenty of times and never had a problem. Maybe give them a call? Sean. From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/05/05 Mon PM 12:48:20 CDT To: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Rushhour [ OT ] I got an email back from them two weeks ago asking for my CC, saying my order was ready, and I haven't received anything yet. I tried emailing them 3x but no response.. Anyone else have experience with them? --- Peter Grammenos Goldman Sachs Co. Tel : 212.902.2446 ---
Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ]
- Original Message - From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 6:48 PM Subject: (313) Rushhour [ OT ] I got an email back from them two weeks ago asking for my CC, saying my order was ready, and I haven't received anything yet. I tried emailing them 3x but no response.. Anyone else have experience with them? I had a problem with a shipment not long ago and they were really helpful arranging a re-delivery, despite a bit of email confusion when mail order duties transitioned from Marsel to Erik. Top store IMHO. I'd suggest emailing Erik again, as he is still pretty new to this role I think. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree. Marsel is sussed enough to know you shouldn't be e-mailing CC numbers. They asked my to phone or fax mine a while back and have just kept it on file since... Sounds a bit dodgy. From: [-[-]-[]-[|]-] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/05/05 Mon PM 01:15:06 CDT To: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED], Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ] sounds like maybe someone got ahold of their contact list and is trying to scam CC numbers? I'd definately follow-up on that - Original Message - From: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ] Yeh, they're consistently reliable. I've ordered plenty of times and never had a problem. Maybe give them a call? Sean. From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/05/05 Mon PM 12:48:20 CDT To: '313@hyperreal.org' 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Rushhour [ OT ] I got an email back from them two weeks ago asking for my CC, saying my order was ready, and I haven't received anything yet. I tried emailing them 3x but no response.. Anyone else have experience with them? --- Peter Grammenos Goldman Sachs Co. Tel : 212.902.2446 ---
Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ]
- Original Message - From: [-[-]-[]-[|]-] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ] sounds like maybe someone got ahold of their contact list and is trying to scam CC numbers? I'd definately follow-up on that Just to squash this quickly, I'm fairly certain this is not an unusual practice for them. I'd hate for them to lose business if this became a widely circulated rumor. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) Movementarians
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Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ]
absolutely. give them the benefit of the doubt but protect yourself in the process. -Joe - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [-[-]-[]-[|]-] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ] - Original Message - From: [-[-]-[]-[|]-] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:15 PM Subject: Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ] sounds like maybe someone got ahold of their contact list and is trying to scam CC numbers? I'd definately follow-up on that Just to squash this quickly, I'm fairly certain this is not an unusual practice for them. I'd hate for them to lose business if this became a widely circulated rumor. Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ]
- Original Message - From: [-[-]-[]-[|]-] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ] absolutely. give them the benefit of the doubt but protect yourself in the process. Agreed. I think I just called them when I needed to change my info once. Don't worry, you don't need to speak Dutch. ;) Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ]
sounds like maybe someone got ahold of their contact list and is trying to scam CC numbers? I'd definately follow-up on that Don´t worry too much.. It was Erik who really lost some CC numbers. But when I called him, I told him some stuff about computer networks, authentisation and security. I even told him why double DES is not a save algorithm, and how RSA works... ;) Someone with no girlfriend has to get his kicks somewhere else. Cheers, Maarten
Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ]
hey folks All I can say Erik studied to become an English teacher :-) So, indeed no languages problems - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [-[-]-[]-[|]-] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 8:31 PM Subject: Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ] - Original Message - From: [-[-]-[]-[|]-] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sean Creen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: Re: (313) Rushhour [ OT ] absolutely. give them the benefit of the doubt but protect yourself in the process. Agreed. I think I just called them when I needed to change my info once. Don't worry, you don't need to speak Dutch. ;) Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) SoHo store Ipod picts
On 5/5/03 1:28 PM, diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rich ran the gamut with his set. it was smooth though. I didnt appreciate how smooth it was until the guy after him went on and sounded incredibly chunky and unfocused. The guy went from straight up house to get yer freak on. BUT from what i understand rich is no stranger to the ipod, so he had that advantage. I happened to make it out to Somerset on Friday, and listened to a couple of fellas from Ghostly (can I get a DJ ID?). I was under the initial impression that all the tracks being played were supposedly available in the iTunes Music Store. This allows the Kraftwerk I heard, but certainly not Justus Köhncke's Was ist Musik?. Using licensed tunes only would have hampered Richie's set. For the Mac-challenged among you, Apple is working on an iTunes release for Windows. Until then, the iPod is perfectly compatible with MusicMatch software. -- im
(313) hosting
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Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
Dance music is already mainstream in America, the problem with techno is it had it's 15 minutes of fame in the early 90's. This is how artist like Moby established a name for himself with major label support. Jaguar had a chance to blow up in the late 90's but DJ Rolando chose to stay underground. b) gains a large enough audience to support events in places other than major cities. This has never been the case for most US major cities. on 5/5/03 10:45 AM, Kent williams at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would just like to see techno to have enough awareness and support among the general populace that it's a) taken seriously as a musical form b) gains a large enough audience to support events in places other than major cities. Not only has techno never really entered the pop music scene in the US, techno and dance music seems to be dying on the vine out here in the hinterlands. A couple of years ago we could bring out prominent Detroit and Chicago artists and not lose our shirts. No more. I don't think Iowa is unique, either. Factors like the putrid state of the US Economy, Anti-rave laws, changing tastes, have made it harder to find an audience for the music.
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
That is the general theory and it stands up - for now. But I don't know. They said hip-hop would never catch on. Grandmaster Flash was playing hip-hop style nine years before The Message. They used to fret that no one got it. Nine years! Hip-hop has changed the way people listen to music. It has much more complex lyrics. Not just something you can sing along to. More than a hook. It created its audience. Plus people who don't primarily speak English get into it. You hear the stories, Jay-Z goes to France and the kids know his lyrics but often don't even speak English. So it could be that techno could create its own audience on a mass scale. I believe that house has been held back in the US because of latent homophobia. The disco backlash created enduring problems. From what I can discern, house music crosses over in countries where there is less anxiety about sexuality. This is where the comparisons end, largely because much of techno is instrumental. Delivery, Flow, Rhythmic complexity, all have undoubtedly improved in rap music...and part of that is because more people listen and participate in it. The thing that has dried up is content. Rap played on popular radio stations isn't really saying much. I attribute this to the political economy of popular music. Because the emphasis in techno is not on lyrics--again MOST of techno is instrumental--I think that if techno did become as strong as hiphop in the states we'd get all of the benefits (as far as growth of the artform) without the detriments (content that is arguably vulgar and spirit-killing). I'd make the same argument for house, even though there is a strong lyrical component to it. You just can't sing about Benzes the way you can about unrequited love, or about worship.
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
You hear the stories, Jay-Z goes to France and the kids know his lyrics but often don't even speak English. this is pretty common from what I've seen, anyone remember la bamba?
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
What ever gave people the impression that techno has even the slightest chance of becoming the next hip hop? I must not be in an alternate dimension. on 5/5/03 10:24 AM, Lester Kenyatta Spence at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote: odon't think that'll go over well with the heads in detroit. Don't want to get into the whole elitism thing again, butguess heads will have to except that our underground scene will eventually be a POP-MTV-CEO controlled genreif it becomes the next hip hop. I mean...I LOVE hiphop...but it's getting a little too...well...MTV!! I think what Kent is referring to is the mass support that hiphop receives on the radio, on tours, on television, and the like. Personally, I think that keeping things the way they are is one way to keep some quality control on things. After all...a lot of hiphop is ABOUT the $$...can't think of any techno that iswell...MAYBE GhettoTekbut that's more about THAT ASS!!! haha This is where the comparisons end, largely because much of techno is instrumental. Delivery, Flow, Rhythmic complexity, all have undoubtedly improved in rap music...and part of that is because more people listen and participate in it. The thing that has dried up is content. Rap played on popular radio stations isn't really saying much. I attribute this to the political economy of popular music. Because the emphasis in techno is not on lyrics--again MOST of techno is instrumental--I think that if techno did become as strong as hiphop in the states we'd get all of the benefits (as far as growth of the artform) without the detriments (content that is arguably vulgar and spirit-killing). I'd make the same argument for house, even though there is a strong lyrical component to it. You just can't sing about Benzes the way you can about unrequited love, or about worship. lks
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
I think they mean in terms of impacting on pop culture in the US in the same way. -- From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 5:11 AM What ever gave people the impression that techno has even the slightest chance of becoming the next hip hop? I must not be in an alternate dimension. on 5/5/03 10:24 AM, Lester Kenyatta Spence at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 5 May 2003, Darren Longton (Marketing) wrote: odon't think that'll go over well with the heads in detroit. Don't want to get into the whole elitism thing again, butguess heads will have to except that our underground scene will eventually be a POP-MTV-CEO controlled genreif it becomes the next hip hop. I mean...I LOVE hiphop...but it's getting a little too...well...MTV!! I think what Kent is referring to is the mass support that hiphop receives on the radio, on tours, on television, and the like. Personally, I think that keeping things the way they are is one way to keep some quality control on things. After all...a lot of hiphop is ABOUT the $$...can't think of any techno that iswell...MAYBE GhettoTekbut that's more about THAT ASS!!! haha This is where the comparisons end, largely because much of techno is instrumental. Delivery, Flow, Rhythmic complexity, all have undoubtedly improved in rap music...and part of that is because more people listen and participate in it. The thing that has dried up is content. Rap played on popular radio stations isn't really saying much. I attribute this to the political economy of popular music. Because the emphasis in techno is not on lyrics--again MOST of techno is instrumental--I think that if techno did become as strong as hiphop in the states we'd get all of the benefits (as far as growth of the artform) without the detriments (content that is arguably vulgar and spirit-killing). I'd make the same argument for house, even though there is a strong lyrical component to it. You just can't sing about Benzes the way you can about unrequited love, or about worship. lks
Re: (313) Movementarians
the leader is good, the leader is great. we surrender our will, as of this date. j On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 02:32 PM, FRED giannelli wrote: By divine decree, I hearby name all attendees of the upcoming Movement electronic music festival in Detroit as Movementarians. In recognition to the outstanding contributions of the Simpson's episode. telepathic regards, the kooky scientologist -- Upcoming Live Electronic Demonstrations: May 2nd - Peabody, MA - The Apple Store - iPod DJ event May - NYC Detroit - tbc -- TELEPATHICA - P.O.B.80337 - Boston, MA 02180-0010 *new CL # 617.905.9619 and FAX 781.944.8996 http://www.mp3.com/fredgiannelli http://telepathica.com **New E-addresses* [EMAIL PROTECTED] and/or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
I'd like it to be just enough more popular that I can book people again without losing money, but not so popular that the frat boys show up and beat up the gay kids. Does that delimit how popular I'd like techno to be for everyone? Fundamentally, no form of instrumental music will ever be what Rock and Hiphop are. The best comparison, really, is Jazz. Largely instrumental music, popular with a relatively small percentage of the population. But Jazz has penetrated mass consciousness to the point where people know what it is, and there's some respect for it. On Tue, 6 May 2003, Cyclone Wehner wrote: I think they mean in terms of impacting on pop culture in the US in the same way.
Re: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
Jaguar had a chance to blow up in the late 90's but DJ Rolando chose to stay underground. This simply isn't true. Jaguar was milked for all it was worth. It got a hell of a lot of publicity out of the whole Sony thing, had a promo video made, and Rolando got serious juice in terms of gigs (where he played the track multiple times, plus a lot of other much more commercial tracks than had previously been in his sets) out of all of this. None of this is to excuse what Sony tried to do, or to dis how UR dealt with the situation, but to say that it could have blown up if Rolando had chosen to let it is pure bullshit (IMO, of course ;-). Sean.
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
I don't know, maybe if we make it more overtly sexy that will overcome the lyric thing. Sex sells everything, right? ;) - Fundamentally, no form of instrumental music will ever be what Rock and Hiphop are. The best comparison, really, is Jazz. Largely instrumental music, popular with a relatively small percentage of the population. But Jazz has penetrated mass consciousness to the point where people know what it is, and there's some respect for it. On Tue, 6 May 2003, Cyclone Wehner wrote: I think they mean in terms of impacting on pop culture in the US in the same way.
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
Has Traci Lords been successful? :) On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 20:17 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner wrote: I don't know, maybe if we make it more overtly sexy that will overcome the lyric thing. Sex sells everything, right? ;) - Fundamentally, no form of instrumental music will ever be what Rock and Hiphop are. The best comparison, really, is Jazz. Largely instrumental music, popular with a relatively small percentage of the population. But Jazz has penetrated mass consciousness to the point where people know what it is, and there's some respect for it. On Tue, 6 May 2003, Cyclone Wehner wrote: I think they mean in terms of impacting on pop culture in the US in the same way.
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
Does Derrick May still drop French Kiss in every set? :) On 5/5/03 4:55 PM, a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has Traci Lords been successful? :) On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 20:17 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner wrote: I don't know, maybe if we make it more overtly sexy that will overcome the lyric thing. Sex sells everything, right? ;) - Fundamentally, no form of instrumental music will ever be what Rock and Hiphop are. The best comparison, really, is Jazz. Largely instrumental music, popular with a relatively small percentage of the population. But Jazz has penetrated mass consciousness to the point where people know what it is, and there's some respect for it. On Tue, 6 May 2003, Cyclone Wehner wrote: I think they mean in terms of impacting on pop culture in the US in the same way.
RE: (313) heads-only techno? nah
LOL, when i heard him last summer he might droppped it twice ;)! -Original Message- From: Ian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 5:01 PM To: a; Cyclone Wehner Cc: The Music Institute Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah Does Derrick May still drop French Kiss in every set? :) On 5/5/03 4:55 PM, a [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has Traci Lords been successful? :) On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 20:17 Atlantic/Reykjavik, Cyclone Wehner wrote: I don't know, maybe if we make it more overtly sexy that will overcome the lyric thing. Sex sells everything, right? ;) - Fundamentally, no form of instrumental music will ever be what Rock and Hiphop are. The best comparison, really, is Jazz. Largely instrumental music, popular with a relatively small percentage of the population. But Jazz has penetrated mass consciousness to the point where people know what it is, and there's some respect for it. On Tue, 6 May 2003, Cyclone Wehner wrote: I think they mean in terms of impacting on pop culture in the US in the same way.
Re: (313) bubbles cookies
- Original Message - From: Jason Hogans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: (313) bubbles cookies hello all, it's monday you're bored?... http://www.homepage.mac.com/reallynice/ - a mini site where you can download some of my newer stuff. some spacey hip hop vibes a couple of ethnic flavored (brazilian/dub) downtempo workouts. all aces balance are from the forthcoming ep tell me more about bubbles on my own label, really nice recordings. probably early autumn on that. the other three are from a full length album, accepting cookies - still working out the label release details on this one, let it be your favorite mystery. i'm not giving away the best stuff right now rob, they gotta buy something! go get 'em y'all. Really nice on all levels - lyrics, vocals, music, production (even at 96Kbps)! Oh, and those balines. Thanks for posting these! Are you on the mic? Is that an Allen Heath LFO at the end of Balance? Sounds eerily familiar. :) Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Detroits Biggest
That blows my mind, A Platinum Album? Which one? And it had to be an old one,,like in 90's or so. -Original Message- From: logic7 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:29 PM To: marsel; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Detroits Biggest I now quote from http://www.selekta.com/profiles/saundersonbio.asp : To date, INNER CITY have had 12 Top 40 hits in the UK, as well as having had two Top 20 albums, with combined sales of more than 6 million. Inner City have also achieved many awards for outstanding accomplishments, such as being voted the 'Best Dance Act in the World' by DMC in 1989 and 1992. Inner City have also received 4 Gold singles, 1 Gold Album and 1 Platinum Album. The real question is: which singles and albums did what? -Original Message- From: marsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:17 PM To: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Detroits Biggest I guess Inner City's Big Fun ? No idea of the figures although - Original Message - From: Grammenos, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:09 PM Subject: (313) Detroits Biggest What is the largets pressing of a detroit techno record, ever? --- Peter Grammenos Goldman Sachs Co. Tel : 212.902.2446 --- --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 4/18/2003
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
h... this is coming form someone who does not live in America and probably has never been to America. I hear house and trance being played on hispanic/ latino, pop, and alternative radio mix programs all the time and pretty much dominates the club scene which attacks all types of people. You can debate whether quality house music or Detroit techno is being played in the clubs on a National scale but that's due to the lack of exposure. on 5/5/03 2:27 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the general theory and it stands up - for now. But I don't know. They said hip-hop would never catch on. Grandmaster Flash was playing hip-hop style nine years before The Message. They used to fret that no one got it. Nine years! Hip-hop has changed the way people listen to music. It has much more complex lyrics. Not just something you can sing along to. More than a hook. It created its audience. Plus people who don't primarily speak English get into it. You hear the stories, Jay-Z goes to France and the kids know his lyrics but often don't even speak English. So it could be that techno could create its own audience on a mass scale. I believe that house has been held back in the US because of latent homophobia. The disco backlash created enduring problems. From what I can discern, house music crosses over in countries where there is less anxiety about sexuality.
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
Well I have and, at any rate, it's not an original observation - I am reiterating what many others say. Do you hear house on urban radio? -- From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 6:45 AM h... this is coming form someone who does not live in America and probably has never been to America. I hear house and trance being played on hispanic/ latino, pop, and alternative radio mix programs all the time and pretty much dominates the club scene which attacks all types of people. You can debate whether quality house music or Detroit techno is being played in the clubs on a National scale but that's due to the lack of exposure. on 5/5/03 2:27 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is the general theory and it stands up - for now. But I don't know. They said hip-hop would never catch on. Grandmaster Flash was playing hip-hop style nine years before The Message. They used to fret that no one got it. Nine years! Hip-hop has changed the way people listen to music. It has much more complex lyrics. Not just something you can sing along to. More than a hook. It created its audience. Plus people who don't primarily speak English get into it. You hear the stories, Jay-Z goes to France and the kids know his lyrics but often don't even speak English. So it could be that techno could create its own audience on a mass scale. I believe that house has been held back in the US because of latent homophobia. The disco backlash created enduring problems. From what I can discern, house music crosses over in countries where there is less anxiety about sexuality.
(313) Re: Jaguar
If memory serves me correctly a major label did offer to sign jaguar with the possibility of remixes but UR and DJ Rolando declined. That track could have easily climbed the Billboard dance charts giving Detroit techno more exposure in America but some people choose to stay underground. on 5/5/03 3:26 PM, Sean Creen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This simply isn't true. Jaguar was milked for all it was worth. It got a hell of a lot of publicity out of the whole Sony thing, had a promo video made, and Rolando got serious juice in terms of gigs (where he played the track multiple times, plus a lot of other much more commercial tracks than had previously been in his sets) out of all of this. None of this is to excuse what Sony tried to do, or to dis how UR dealt with the situation, but to say that it could have blown up if Rolando had chosen to let it is pure bullshit (IMO, of course ;-). Sean.
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
Dance music is already pop culture in America, look at Dirty Vegas for example. Detroit techno is not. on 5/5/03 2:53 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think they mean in terms of impacting on pop culture in the US in the same way.
(313) New Mix
Sorry if this comes through twice. I posted it earlier and haven't received it myself, and others have mentioned the same. Weird since I know at least some people have received it. Sorry if this seems SPAMish. Just trying to share some new music. Happy Cinqo de Mayo, or bank holiday, depending where you are. Since it was a beautiful day in London yesterday, I stayed inside and mixed for three hours - because I'm stupid like that. I remembered to press record for about the last two hours of it, so you'll be joining a mix in progress should you choose to accept this mission. As you can see from the brevity of the tracklist I let this stuff play out for the most part. Lots of house, some more house, and a few odd bits of other stuff to boot. Mostly newer stuff too. Not my best mixing ever, but nothing too horrendous (I hope you'll agree) except when the breeze in my flat knocked the needle mid-mix in a place or two. :/ Prepare your hi-speed connection and delete some pr0n from your hard drive, as this is just over 100MB. http://www.phonopsia.co.uk/mixes/TristanWatkins543Mix.mp3 Tracklist: Isolee - It s About (Lopazz und Casio Casinos Maxi Mix) - Freundinnen Ramiro Mendes - Angola (Carl Craig's Mix) - Lusafrica Pitch Black City featuring Roberta Sweed - Runaway - Mahogani Music Sun Ra - Saga of Resistance (Theo Parrish Promo Version) - Kindrid Spirits Blaze - Gloria Muse - Slip n' Slide Kunuyuki - Precious Hall - Natural Resource Walter Jones - All God's Chilren (Juan Nunez Little Chris Rmx) - Westbound Music Passion Dance Orchestra - After the Dance - Inner Music Soha - Balance - Basic Recordings Ola Jagun the Ancestral Rhythms - Odo Oya (The Rebirth Version) - Spiritual Life Music Osunlade - Rader Du (featuring Wunmi) - Soul Jazz Records Kemit Sources - An Ka Sein - Isma'a Rima - This World (12 Version) - Jazzanova Compost Records Terrence Parker - Your Love - !K7 Glad Today - Thoughts of You - M-Break Recordings Atjazz - Dry Red Line - Mantis Recordings Brooks - Dripping in Glod - Mantis Recordings House of Gypsies - Sume Sigh Say (Tee's Ultimate Vocal) - In House Records Joshua - Hustlin' - Select Recordings Headman - It Rough (Chicken Lips Trax Dub) - Gomma Nubian Mindz - Burning - Twisted Funk Gotan Project - Santa Maria (Del Buen Ayre) (Pepe Bradock Wider Remix) - Ya Basta! Francois de Roubaix - La Mer est Grande (Carl Craig Remix) - Sido Music Pub - Surgery - Ampoule Records Enjoy! Tristan === Text/Mixes: http://www.phonopsia.co.uk Music: http://www.mp313.com Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
I was talking pure US house/garage, not trance or offshoots. A lot of people lament the lack of a US audience for that. I even read it in a Frankie Knuckles interview. It's very consistently stated. Of course I realise trance/progressive has charted. -- From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 7:00 AM Dance music is already pop culture in America, look at Dirty Vegas for example. Detroit techno is not. on 5/5/03 2:53 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think they mean in terms of impacting on pop culture in the US in the same way.
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
Well, there is an audience for it but in small pockets around the nation (and it is a BIG nation). We had a _very_successful pirate radio station here in Minneapolis that played house music 24-7 but it was shut down by the FCC goons. Well, it wasn't interfering with anyone's signal but it was pulling a large audience away from the legal alternative station. What was played on that station was primarily mix tapes from area DJs who played mainly Chicago house but there were all kinds of house being played - from Madonna remixes to stuff that bordered on progressive house. But it was the US house stuff that drew them in. It's hard for US house or techno to gain a foot hold because most kids today think Oakenfold et al. started it all in the UK. I've read several interviews where the artist (a Detroit techno artists - might have been May) said that maybe they dropped the ball by going overseas and not nurturing the US scene - meanwhile hip-hop came in and stole the wind from their sails (and sales). So then a few UK artists repackage it and sell it back and voila - techno and house are UK imports. I think this could be said for lots of house music producers as well. Chicago impacted - Detroit flew the coop - NY is too insular for most of America. UK was open to it and figured out a way to market it while grunge was stamping away across America and everyone wanted to live in Seattle. Maybe I'm wrong... MEK Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org il.com.au cc: Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah 05/05/03 04:42 PM I was talking pure US house/garage, not trance or offshoots. A lot of people lament the lack of a US audience for that. I even read it in a Frankie Knuckles interview. It's very consistently stated. Of course I realise trance/progressive has charted. -- From: spw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 7:00 AM Dance music is already pop culture in America, look at Dirty Vegas for example. Detroit techno is not. on 5/5/03 2:53 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think they mean in terms of impacting on pop culture in the US in the same way.
Re: (313) heads-only techno? nah
No, it's not played on Urban/ Hip-Hop radio, that's dominated by the same 15 RnB/ Hip-Hop tracks played in rotation. American radio is segregated into different genres, you have country, Top 40 which plays a combination of rap, dance, the popular rock tunes, alternative rock, classic rock, hispanic/ latino, 80's pop, light rock/ adult contemporary, new age/jazz, community/ college radio with specialty radio programming. on 5/5/03 4:28 PM, Cyclone Wehner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I have and, at any rate, it's not an original observation - I am reiterating what many others say. Do you hear house on urban radio?
(313) techno / pop
for techno to reach a wider audience in the US and beyond we need to see it as part of a wider music culture, not isolate it entirely. i am sure that a lot of ppl on this list as well as a lot of producers and DJs already do and are aware of many different kinds of music. the recent FK set list illustrates this well. as a generalisation, i would say that the characteristics of (detroit) techno attract a more open minded sophisticated audience than other kinds of e dance music, that are often more about drugs, partying or fashion. Why must techno reach a wider audience? why does it need to stay 'reserved for the cool people'??? it doesn't 'need' to stay reserved for cool people - it just does and probably always will. real techno is art and is above the heads of most people, whether they're into dance music or not. i have played carl craig, kraftwerk moodymann to an ex-raver friend who's now into something called hardhouse and nu skool breaks (did i spell that right? ) and he just doesn't get it at all. musically, it's just too sophisticated and complex to someone who's conception of 'music' is the stuff between the kick drums. forget it, it ain't gonna happen. enjoy it the way it is. p
