Re: [AFMUG] Wimax is dead but ...
And they are going to put some lighting stickers on each radio to make them go faster. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 9:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Wimax is dead but ... Mercury who bought Purewave want to add some improvements to their stuff. http://mercurynets.com/ Calls it x4g.
Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers
The AirGateway-LR’s are working well. We stopped AirRouters but are still selling the Airrouter-HP’s for the bigger houses. I miss the Power AP N, best radio indoor 2.4GHz radio made. Covers my house and back yard pretty well. The AirGateways had some issues in the first batch and the firmware has been a pain until the last beta a year and a half ago. But it stabilized and 1.14 seems fine. Users are seeing up to 40Mbps which is fast enough to make them happy. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 10:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers So the AirRouters are working well for you? I wanted to use Mikrotik, but certain devices have issues connecting and I definitely don't want to be dealing with that at customer's houses. On Sunday, May 31, 2015, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: One time fee, unlimited warranty as long as they are on the system, we double the cost so AirGateway-LR’s are $60, AirRouter-HP’s $120. We stopped selling AirRouters. We also offer a long-range rubber-duckie antenna for an additional $20. What we save in tech support time is huge because we can manage them all. What we save on image from crappy routers is even bigger. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 7:12 PM To: af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers Jab charges I think On May 31, 2015 8:20 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','keefe...@ethoplex.com'); wrote: If they buy your router how much do you support it? Is that support free? On 5/31/2015 6:09 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Our support ends at the cable that plugs into the router. If we see the connection be made. We are done and we suggest they buy ours. Considering that 80% of the customers have our routers, it’s worked pretty well. Based on the fact consumer routers have gone up in price, it’s created a profit point for us. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers We don't support their stove like we don't support their wireless router. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 31, 2015 2:14 PM, t...@nwohiobb.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','t...@nwohiobb.com'); wrote: Do any of you guys have policies for customer owned wireless routers if they dont get wireless routers from you? If you do whats your policy for this? Tim
Re: [AFMUG] Rohn free standing
That’s because you haven’t turned over the war criminals, the Baldwins. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 10:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn free standing Does anyone know of a website like texastowers.comhttp://texastowers.com but ships to canada? I find it funny when you go to checkout on that website it gives you shipping options to Australia, Columbia, Germany, UK and the US, but no Canada. On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Just a word of advice from a Florida boy… I wouldn’t build Rohn 25 over 150 feet. We DO have two 190s in the air, but we beefed up the guying including two anti-twist sections (our own design). Even on 120 ft. we do an anti-twist. Rohn 45 is more suitable for 200ft + but at 250, I would be looking at Rohn 55/65 for sure. (with anti-twists as well). The Rohn site has all you need on footprints etc.Cost… texastowers.comhttp://texastowers.com can give you a quote From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 3:05 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn free standing I don't know why I wrote freestanding, I meant guyed, obviously Anyone know cost or footprint? On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jerry Head li...@blountbroadband.commailto:li...@blountbroadband.com wrote: We have a 190' 25g 6 guy points. Top section is above the last guy point I have been to the top several times, makes my palms sweat even now... On 5/30/2015 6:34 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: Rohn specs 25 for up to 190ft,n properly guyed they are fine. We have a 170ft 25g with 5 guy levels and a torque arm on the 4th, very solid to climb. On May 30, 2015 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: But just think how fun it would be to climb a free standing 200' 25G! Even guyed, I think it would be a rather frightening experience...
[AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit
Barracuda caught my first instance of Gingerbreak on some Android device. I'll track it down tomorrow and see what type of device but this is the first Android virus I've seen. This email is from the Barracuda Web Filter. We have detected and blocked the download of: VIRUS Andr.Exploit.Gingerbreak-1 from the server:dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com with the URL:http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com/5/7/8/7/7/3/GingerBreak_exploit_source_from_APKv1.2.zip Looks like those boys have a server set up in the US now unless this is a false alarm. Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net/ You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place. - Unknown
Re: [AFMUG] Rohn free standing
Why not buy trylon? They are already in Canada. On Jun 1, 2015 12:58 AM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know of a website like texastowers.com but ships to canada? I find it funny when you go to checkout on that website it gives you shipping options to Australia, Columbia, Germany, UK and the US, but no Canada. On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Just a word of advice from a Florida boy… I wouldn’t build Rohn 25 over 150 feet. We DO have two 190s in the air, but we beefed up the guying including two anti-twist sections (our own design). Even on 120 ft. we do an anti-twist. Rohn 45 is more suitable for 200ft + but at 250, I would be looking at Rohn 55/65 for sure. (with anti-twists as well). The Rohn site has all you need on footprints etc.Cost… texastowers.com can give you a quote *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2015 3:05 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rohn free standing I don't know why I wrote freestanding, I meant guyed, obviously Anyone know cost or footprint? On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 5:15 PM, Jerry Head li...@blountbroadband.com wrote: We have a 190' 25g 6 guy points. Top section is above the last guy point I have been to the top several times, makes my palms sweat even now... On 5/30/2015 6:34 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: Rohn specs 25 for up to 190ft,n properly guyed they are fine. We have a 170ft 25g with 5 guy levels and a torque arm on the 4th, very solid to climb. On May 30, 2015 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: But just think how fun it would be to climb a free standing 200' 25G! Even guyed, I think it would be a rather frightening experience...
Re: [AFMUG] Wimax is dead but ...
;-)). Beside marketing they plan to improve single user performance to 20Mbit/s, build a new CPE and add multicarrier. They stay at 10MHz channels. So it will be an improvement but no dealbreaker. I would replace them with a high power ePMP 3,5GHz at once. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Rory Conaway Gesendet: Montag, 1. Juni 2015 08:38 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Wimax is dead but ... And they are going to put some lighting stickers on each radio to make them go faster. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stefan Englhardt Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 9:56 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Wimax is dead but ... Mercury who bought Purewave want to add some improvements to their stuff. http://mercurynets.com/ Calls it x4g.
Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers
Yes but they all love it. None of my customers want to manage their own routers. They just want it to work and know it’s secure. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Gray Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 7:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers Rory, What is your preferred method for remotely managing the airRouters / airGateways? Do you have the customer specifically sign anything allowing you to remotely manage the router they purchased? Thanks - Chris On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: One time fee, unlimited warranty as long as they are on the system, we double the cost so AirGateway-LR’s are $60, AirRouter-HP’s $120. We stopped selling AirRouters. We also offer a long-range rubber-duckie antenna for an additional $20. What we save in tech support time is huge because we can manage them all. What we save on image from crappy routers is even bigger. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 7:12 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers Jab charges I think On May 31, 2015 8:20 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.commailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: If they buy your router how much do you support it? Is that support free? On 5/31/2015 6:09 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Our support ends at the cable that plugs into the router. If we see the connection be made. We are done and we suggest they buy ours. Considering that 80% of the customers have our routers, it’s worked pretty well. Based on the fact consumer routers have gone up in price, it’s created a profit point for us. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers We don't support their stove like we don't support their wireless router. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 31, 2015 2:14 PM, t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Do any of you guys have policies for customer owned wireless routers if they dont get wireless routers from you? If you do whats your policy for this? Tim
Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
Man, that is bullshit.
I see all kinds of problems on our contract support customers from the
click happy retards.
I have a virus
why do you think that
My computer says windows 10 and everything looks different
you do have a virus, just a new version of your old one quit clicking
everything you see you stupid git
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:30 AM, George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Getting it here on all of my W7 machines. I did the reservation thing. The
stupid icon won't go away though. I seriously have to look at that thing
for the next two months!?
On 6/1/2015 10:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not here (yet?). Maybe Illinois is served before California.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/31/2015 10:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Has anyone else seen a Get Windows 10 icon mysteriously appear in your
Windows 7 System Tray?
If I click, it says Reserve your FREE upgrade now, it will download once
available.
Apparently once it downloads, you get to choose when to install it.
That's nice, I'm imagining opening up my laptop to do a presentation and
finding it in the midst of upgrading from Windows 7 to 10, which would be
quite a change.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
On 6/1/15 8:32, Mike Hammett wrote: We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. That kind of marketing speak makes me sad as a networking guy. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Indeed, but still represents tons of eyeballs and tons of destinations for local ISPs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:58:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Oh schools, should have guessed. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: 17 (Purdue University) 87 (Indiana University) 693 (University of Notre Dame) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:53:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes we have two two-digit ASNs and a three digit ASN Neat, who? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: blockquote Okay, there are over 2.1M on, but more on the way. How about this? A total of one /11, one /15, one /16, one /20, one /21, one /23, one /24, one /27, one /28, one /29 and one /32 are currently represented on our Indianapolis fabric. That's 2,300,729 IPs. Represented in members on the IX or their clients, we have two two-digit ASNs and a three digit ASN. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes On 6/1/15 8:32, Mike Hammett wrote: We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. That kind of marketing speak makes me sad as a networking guy. ~Seth /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
That can get expensive. So that theory implies that if they do find a speedtest hosted on dailup on an old PC in some kids basement, its our responsibility to upgrade that server and provide that kid a 10gb fiber circuit? On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us wrote: On 6/1/15 8:50, Mike Hammett wrote: No, but you are responsible to ensure that you purchase connectivity from people that don't suck. I have. How do I ensure other companies don't have connectivity problems? That their cloud hosted app doesn't have an outage? Oh wait the cloud never fails, silly me. ~Seth -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
Same results with fiber and WISP? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 1, 2015 11:06 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I find it quite accurate … done a few tests …. Paul *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2015 3:43 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers
Yes, if they ask but we don’t give public IPs anyway. If they are asking for a public IP, they are a business customer and they get a Mikrotik. We set that up for them also and don’t let their network guys access to it. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 7:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers How involved do you get? Do you setup NAT/Firewall rules if requested? On 5/31/2015 10:44 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: One time fee, unlimited warranty as long as they are on the system, we double the cost so AirGateway-LR’s are $60, AirRouter-HP’s $120. We stopped selling AirRouters. We also offer a long-range rubber-duckie antenna for an additional $20. What we save in tech support time is huge because we can manage them all. What we save on image from crappy routers is even bigger. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 7:12 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers Jab charges I think On May 31, 2015 8:20 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.commailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: If they buy your router how much do you support it? Is that support free? On 5/31/2015 6:09 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Our support ends at the cable that plugs into the router. If we see the connection be made. We are done and we suggest they buy ours. Considering that 80% of the customers have our routers, it’s worked pretty well. Based on the fact consumer routers have gone up in price, it’s created a profit point for us. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:46 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers We don't support their stove like we don't support their wireless router. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 31, 2015 2:14 PM, t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Do any of you guys have policies for customer owned wireless routers if they dont get wireless routers from you? If you do whats your policy for this? Tim
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
It does help to an extent. You didn't know my intentions, but few people would have experience with my position anyway. I was inquiring as an IX, not as a WISP. Different companies have different models and so we're trying to gauge infrastructure requirements. For instance, we're already in contract with Akamai for some boxes. They send out a few boxes and gradually increase that count until they switch to a different model. Limelight only does superPOPs, so they'll only utilize transport from their remote facility. Netflix has caching boxes available for people, so it's assumed that they would do something similar. Google does have caching boxes, but was asking about wavelength providers in the facility. Those that provide boxes still need Internet connectivity to pull whatever isn't on the box. They work with the IX to get that. Knowing how the different caching mechanisms work provides background as to the scale of support infrastructure they need. Of course they'll tell you when they sign what they require, but knowing ahead of time is nice. We offered some of them transport, but due to their infrastructure, they preferred transit over transport. Just looking to be as helpful as we can and make it as cost effective as we can for everybody. We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:19:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes So I’ll try to answer this for you … have all of them… Percent of bandwidth saved… really depends on your network, traffic levels, subscriber breakdown (residential vs business), connectivity etc… there’s no magic answer but if you had all three systems you listed then it should hit a minimum of 50%. Upstream amount used is less than you used before J Akamai and Google both “fill on demand” so they are generally speaking very linear in upstream vs content served out of them – over time that difference is quite noticeable. Netflix uses a “prefill” mechanism which is typically 1.5Gb/s for 8-10 hours per day off hours so if you’re not serving at least 2-3Gb/s of Netflix traffic it’s not remotely worthwhile. Also consider the space/power that some of these servers require – it can add up in a hurry. Generally speaking I wouldn’t deploy any of their solutions until you have 1Gb/s on Akamai minimum, 3 Gb/s minimum on Google/Youtube, and 5 Gb/s minimum on Netflix… assuming you have lots of space/power. These are just rough guidelines – everyone’s situation is different. Netflix servers are the heaviest density servers and depending on traffic levels then Akamai is next in density but you will only see those boxes for Akamai in very high traffic environments – their “stock” servers I think do about 700-800Mb/s per physical server (usually a cluster of 3 to start), while their more dense servers do 10Gb/s+ per box. Google servers typically go up to a max of 3.1-3.2 Gb/s per server (usually a cluster of 3 to start as well). Netflix servers (latest generation “C”) have 2x10G interfaces and can serve up to around 15Gb/s each – they usually will start you with 2 of these servers but not always. The ASN that fills the caches varies all over the place and is totally dependent on your network and upstreams. Peering links with these providers are heavily used when possible. Let me know if this helps… Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 10:10 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes For those of you with caching boxes from Akamai, Gogole, NetFlix, etc. could you let me know: * Percent of bandwidth saved (IE, 10 gigs of downstream traffic and 1 gig of upstream traffic would be 90% saved) * Upstream amount used * ASN the upstream comes from * Traceroute to the upstream (to see where it actually comes from) On or off list for any of the information above is fine. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
Your responsibility is also to provide quality Internet service, the whole Internet. Your choices up upstreams, peers, etc. affect the quality of the product you deliver. It's not just hands-off once the packet leaves your upstream port. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:39:37 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test On 6/1/15 8:33, Mike Hammett wrote: I think most people's problems with speedtests are due to the quality of the network they are providing. A shitty speedtest usually means the user's experience is shit as well. No, they will often try to find a shitty speedtest server and use that to complain. Just recently a customer has some cloud hosted whatever that was slow so their support found a speedtest that reported 0.4 meg for the purpose of shifting the blame. Customer admitted they had them try around to find the worst one. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
So I’ll try to answer this for you … have all of them… Percent of bandwidth saved… really depends on your network, traffic levels, subscriber breakdown (residential vs business), connectivity etc… there’s no magic answer but if you had all three systems you listed then it should hit a minimum of 50%. Upstream amount used is less than you used before :) Akamai and Google both “fill on demand” so they are generally speaking very linear in upstream vs content served out of them – over time that difference is quite noticeable. Netflix uses a “prefill” mechanism which is typically 1.5Gb/s for 8-10 hours per day off hours so if you’re not serving at least 2-3Gb/s of Netflix traffic it’s not remotely worthwhile. Also consider the space/power that some of these servers require – it can add up in a hurry. Generally speaking I wouldn’t deploy any of their solutions until you have 1Gb/s on Akamai minimum, 3 Gb/s minimum on Google/Youtube, and 5 Gb/s minimum on Netflix… assuming you have lots of space/power.These are just rough guidelines – everyone’s situation is different. Netflix servers are the heaviest density servers and depending on traffic levels then Akamai is next in density but you will only see those boxes for Akamai in very high traffic environments – their “stock” servers I think do about 700-800Mb/s per physical server (usually a cluster of 3 to start), while their more dense servers do 10Gb/s+ per box. Google servers typically go up to a max of 3.1-3.2 Gb/s per server (usually a cluster of 3 to start as well). Netflix servers (latest generation “C”) have 2x10G interfaces and can serve up to around 15Gb/s each – they usually will start you with 2 of these servers but not always. The ASN that fills the caches varies all over the place and is totally dependent on your network and upstreams. Peering links with these providers are heavily used when possible. Let me know if this helps… Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 10:10 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes For those of you with caching boxes from Akamai, Gogole, NetFlix, etc. could you let me know: * Percent of bandwidth saved (IE, 10 gigs of downstream traffic and 1 gig of upstream traffic would be 90% saved) * Upstream amount used * ASN the upstream comes from * Traceroute to the upstream (to see where it actually comes from) On or off list for any of the information above is fine. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Oh schools, should have guessed. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:56 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: 17 (Purdue University) 87 (Indiana University) 693 (University of Notre Dame) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 10:53:07 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes we have two two-digit ASNs and a three digit ASN Neat, who? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Okay, there are over 2.1M on, but more on the way. How about this? A total of one /11, one /15, one /16, one /20, one /21, one /23, one /24, one /27, one /28, one /29 and one /32 are currently represented on our Indianapolis fabric. That's 2,300,729 IPs. Represented in members on the IX or their clients, we have two two-digit ASNs and a three digit ASN. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 10:43:51 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes On 6/1/15 8:32, Mike Hammett wrote: We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. That kind of marketing speak makes me sad as a networking guy. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
Not here (yet?). Maybe Illinois is served before California.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/31/2015 10:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Has anyone else seen a Get Windows 10 icon mysteriously appear in
your Windows 7 System Tray?
If I click, it says Reserve your FREE upgrade now, it will download
once available.
Apparently once it downloads, you get to choose when to install it.
That's nice, I'm imagining opening up my laptop to do a presentation
and finding it in the midst of upgrading from Windows 7 to 10, which
would be quite a change.
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
Only tried various fiber connections and ADSL2+ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test Same results with fiber and WISP? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 1, 2015 11:06 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I find it quite accurate … done a few tests …. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 3:43 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
On 6/1/15 8:50, Mike Hammett wrote: Okay, there are over 2.1M on, but more on the way. How about this? A total of one /11, one /15, one /16, one /20, one /21, one /23, one /24, one /27, one /28, one /29 and one /32 are currently represented on our Indianapolis fabric. That's 2,300,729 IPs. Why hide your prefix count? Who cares what the prefixes are in individual IP addresses. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Okay, there are over 2.1M on, but more on the way. How about this? A total of one /11, one /15, one /16, one /20, one /21, one /23, one /24, one /27, one /28, one /29 and one /32 are currently represented on our Indianapolis fabric. That's 2,300,729 IPs. Represented in members on the IX or their clients, we have two two-digit ASNs and a three digit ASN. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes On 6/1/15 8:32, Mike Hammett wrote: We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. That kind of marketing speak makes me sad as a networking guy. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
No, but you are responsible to ensure that you purchase connectivity from people that don't suck. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:45:45 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test On 6/1/15 8:41, Mike Hammett wrote: Your responsibility is also to provide quality Internet service, the whole Internet. Your choices up upstreams, peers, etc. affect the quality of the product you deliver. It's not just hands-off once the packet leaves your upstream port. That's an insultingly dumb statement. I'm not responsible for some random app provider having a failure or someone running an overloaded speedtest server. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
we have two two-digit ASNs and a three digit ASN Neat, who? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Okay, there are over 2.1M on, but more on the way. How about this? A total of one /11, one /15, one /16, one /20, one /21, one /23, one /24, one /27, one /28, one /29 and one /32 are currently represented on our Indianapolis fabric. That's 2,300,729 IPs. Represented in members on the IX or their clients, we have two two-digit ASNs and a three digit ASN. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix -- *From: *Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 10:43:51 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes On 6/1/15 8:32, Mike Hammett wrote: We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. That kind of marketing speak makes me sad as a networking guy. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
On 6/1/15 8:50, Mike Hammett wrote: No, but you are responsible to ensure that you purchase connectivity from people that don't suck. I have. How do I ensure other companies don't have connectivity problems? That their cloud hosted app doesn't have an outage? Oh wait the cloud never fails, silly me. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
Try fiber and WISP. I expect you get different results =( Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Only tried various fiber connections and ADSL2+ *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Monday, June 1, 2015 11:08 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test Same results with fiber and WISP? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 1, 2015 11:06 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I find it quite accurate … done a few tests …. Paul *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2015 3:43 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
I think most people's problems with speedtests are due to the quality of the network they are providing. A shitty speedtest usually means the user's experience is shit as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:06:15 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test I find it quite accurate … done a few tests …. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 3:43 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
On 6/1/15 8:33, Mike Hammett wrote: I think most people's problems with speedtests are due to the quality of the network they are providing. A shitty speedtest usually means the user's experience is shit as well. No, they will often try to find a shitty speedtest server and use that to complain. Just recently a customer has some cloud hosted whatever that was slow so their support found a speedtest that reported 0.4 meg for the purpose of shifting the blame. Customer admitted they had them try around to find the worst one. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
Saw it this morning when I got into the office on my laptop and desktop computers. I signed up. Jon Paul Kelley CKS Wireless -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon Has anyone else seen a Get Windows 10 icon mysteriously appear in your Windows 7 System Tray? If I click, it says Reserve your FREE upgrade now, it will download once available. Apparently once it downloads, you get to choose when to install it. That's nice, I'm imagining opening up my laptop to do a presentation and finding it in the midst of upgrading from Windows 7 to 10, which would be quite a change.
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
17 (Purdue University) 87 (Indiana University) 693 (University of Notre Dame ) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:53:07 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes we have two two-digit ASNs and a three digit ASN Neat, who? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:50 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Okay, there are over 2.1M on, but more on the way. How about this? A total of one /11, one /15, one /16, one /20, one /21, one /23, one /24, one /27, one /28, one /29 and one /32 are currently represented on our Indianapolis fabric. That's 2,300,729 IPs. Represented in members on the IX or their clients, we have two two-digit ASNs and a three digit ASN. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:43:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes On 6/1/15 8:32, Mike Hammett wrote: We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. That kind of marketing speak makes me sad as a networking guy. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit
It’s on a customer unit, not mine. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 6:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit That's a developer forum and you caught the actual source code for the malware probably from someone that knowingly requested it. It wasn't an in the wild infection. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:50:52 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit Barracuda caught my first instance of Gingerbreak on some Android device. I’ll track it down tomorrow and see what type of device but this is the first Android virus I’ve seen. This email is from the Barracuda Web Filter. We have detected and blocked the download of: VIRUS Andr.Exploit.Gingerbreak-1 from the server:dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com with the URL:http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com/5/7/8/7/7/3/GingerBreak_exploit_source_from_APKv1.2.zip Looks like those boys have a server set up in the US now unless this is a false alarm. Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net/ “You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.” – Unknown
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
I find it quite accurate … done a few tests …. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 3:43 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
Getting it here on all of my W7 machines. I did the reservation thing.
The stupid icon won't go away though. I seriously have to look at that
thing for the next two months!?
On 6/1/2015 10:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not here (yet?). Maybe Illinois is served before California.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/31/2015 10:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Has anyone else seen a Get Windows 10 icon mysteriously appear in
your Windows 7 System Tray?
If I click, it says Reserve your FREE upgrade now, it will download
once available.
Apparently once it downloads, you get to choose when to install it.
That's nice, I'm imagining opening up my laptop to do a presentation
and finding it in the midst of upgrading from Windows 7 to 10, which
would be quite a change.
Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
Saw it last night, i signed up. - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:08 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon Has anyone else seen a Get Windows 10 icon mysteriously appear in your Windows 7 System Tray? If I click, it says Reserve your FREE upgrade now, it will download once available. Apparently once it downloads, you get to choose when to install it. That's nice, I'm imagining opening up my laptop to do a presentation and finding it in the midst of upgrading from Windows 7 to 10, which would be quite a change.
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
On 6/1/15 8:41, Mike Hammett wrote: Your responsibility is also to provide quality Internet service, the whole Internet. Your choices up upstreams, peers, etc. affect the quality of the product you deliver. It's not just hands-off once the packet leaves your upstream port. That's an insultingly dumb statement. I'm not responsible for some random app provider having a failure or someone running an overloaded speedtest server. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Well, that's just the sum. Prefix counts too can be misleading. We have 232 prefixes (7 of them IPv6), but 138 of them are /23 or smaller. That's a pittance compared to the IP space in the largest prefix advertised (/14) much less all of the others. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Seth Mattinen se...@rollernet.us To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:02:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes On 6/1/15 8:50, Mike Hammett wrote: Okay, there are over 2.1M on, but more on the way. How about this? A total of one /11, one /15, one /16, one /20, one /21, one /23, one /24, one /27, one /28, one /29 and one /32 are currently represented on our Indianapolis fabric. That's 2,300,729 IPs. Why hide your prefix count? Who cares what the prefixes are in individual IP addresses. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit
Old school rooting method for Android devices (mainly Gingerbread but some earlier devices). Chainfire is a legit dev, also one of the main Android devs, highly respected in that scene. The methods of gaining root often trigger antivirus, even newer methods (e.g. towelroot by geohot). On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: That's a developer forum and you caught the actual source code for the malware probably from someone that knowingly requested it. It wasn't an in the wild infection. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 1:50:52 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit Barracuda caught my first instance of Gingerbreak on some Android device. I’ll track it down tomorrow and see what type of device but this is the first Android virus I’ve seen. This email is from the Barracuda Web Filter. We have detected and blocked the download of: VIRUS Andr.Exploit.Gingerbreak-1 from the server:dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com with the URL:http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com/5/7/8/7/7/3/GingerBreak_exploit_source_from_APKv1.2.zip Looks like those boys have a server set up in the US now unless this is a false alarm. *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* *602-426-0542 602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net r...@triadwireless.net* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/* *“You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.” – Unknown*
Re: [AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit
That's a developer forum and you caught the actual source code for the malware probably from someone that knowingly requested it. It wasn't an in the wild infection. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:50:52 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit Barracuda caught my first instance of Gingerbreak on some Android device. I’ll track it down tomorrow and see what type of device but this is the first Android virus I’ve seen. This email is from the Barracuda Web Filter. We have detected and blocked the download of: VIRUS Andr.Exploit.Gingerbreak-1 from the server:dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com with the URL:http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com/5/7/8/7/7/3/GingerBreak_exploit_source_from_APKv1.2.zip Looks like those boys have a server set up in the US now unless this is a false alarm. Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.” – Unknown
Re: [AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit
Speakign of, I need to root my Nexus 6. I swear Android has a man-crush on Apple. Closes more stuff off every day. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Dudgeon mike.dudg...@ubnt.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 8:56:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit Old school rooting method for Android devices (mainly Gingerbread but some earlier devices). Chainfire is a legit dev, also one of the main Android devs, highly respected in that scene. The methods of gaining root often trigger antivirus, even newer methods (e.g. towelroot by geohot). On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: That's a developer forum and you caught the actual source code for the malware probably from someone that knowingly requested it. It wasn't an in the wild infection. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:50:52 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit Barracuda caught my first instance of Gingerbreak on some Android device. I’ll track it down tomorrow and see what type of device but this is the first Android virus I’ve seen. This email is from the Barracuda Web Filter. We have detected and blocked the download of: VIRUS Andr.Exploit.Gingerbreak-1 from the server: dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com with the URL:http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com/5/7/8/7/7/3/GingerBreak_exploit_source_from_APKv1.2.zip Looks like those boys have a server set up in the US now unless this is a false alarm. Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO 4226 S. 37 th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net “You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.” – Unknown
Re: [AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit
There is a malware using that root exploit to install on Gingerbread though, at least from what I have read. On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Speakign of, I need to root my Nexus 6. I swear Android has a man-crush on Apple. Closes more stuff off every day. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Mike Dudgeon mike.dudg...@ubnt.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 8:56:25 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit Old school rooting method for Android devices (mainly Gingerbread but some earlier devices). Chainfire is a legit dev, also one of the main Android devs, highly respected in that scene. The methods of gaining root often trigger antivirus, even newer methods (e.g. towelroot by geohot). On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: That's a developer forum and you caught the actual source code for the malware probably from someone that knowingly requested it. It wasn't an in the wild infection. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 1:50:52 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Gingerbreak Exploit Barracuda caught my first instance of Gingerbreak on some Android device. I’ll track it down tomorrow and see what type of device but this is the first Android virus I’ve seen. This email is from the Barracuda Web Filter. We have detected and blocked the download of: VIRUS Andr.Exploit.Gingerbreak-1 from the server:dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com with the URL:http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.com/5/7/8/7/7/3/GingerBreak_exploit_source_from_APKv1.2.zip Looks like those boys have a server set up in the US now unless this is a false alarm. *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* *602-426-0542 602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net r...@triadwireless.net* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/* *“You may be an engineer if your idea of good interpersonal communication means getting the decimal point in the right place.” – Unknown*
Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers
How involved do you get? Do you setup NAT/Firewall rules if requested? On 5/31/2015 10:44 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: One time fee, unlimited warranty as long as they are on the system, we double the cost so AirGateway-LR’s are $60, AirRouter-HP’s $120. We stopped selling AirRouters. We also offer a long-range rubber-duckie antenna for an additional $20. What we save in tech support time is huge because we can manage them all. What we save on image from crappy routers is even bigger. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2015 7:12 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers Jab charges I think On May 31, 2015 8:20 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: If they buy your router how much do you support it? Is that support free? On 5/31/2015 6:09 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Our support ends at the cable that plugs into the router. If we see the connection be made. We are done and we suggest they buy ours. Considering that 80% of the customers have our routers, it’s worked pretty well. Based on the fact consumer routers have gone up in price, it’s created a profit point for us. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:46 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers We don't support their stove like we don't support their wireless router. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 31, 2015 2:14 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com mailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Do any of you guys have policies for customer owned wireless routers if they dont get wireless routers from you? If you do whats your policy for this? Tim
Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers
I agree. I think it removes any uncertainty and doubt about who's responsible for it. I also have reservations about having management access to a router that doesn't belong to me. On 5/31/2015 10:33 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Don’t sell routers, lease them with support. *From:* Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2015 9:11 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers Jab charges I think On May 31, 2015 8:20 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com mailto:keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: If they buy your router how much do you support it? Is that support free? On 5/31/2015 6:09 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Our support ends at the cable that plugs into the router. If we see the connection be made. We are done and we suggest they buy ours. Considering that 80% of the customers have our routers, it’s worked pretty well. Based on the fact consumer routers have gone up in price, it’s created a profit point for us. Rory *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:46 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers We don't support their stove like we don't support their wireless router. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 31, 2015 2:14 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com mailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Do any of you guys have policies for customer owned wireless routers if they dont get wireless routers from you? If you do whats your policy for this? Tim
Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers
Rory, What is your preferred method for remotely managing the airRouters / airGateways? Do you have the customer specifically sign anything allowing you to remotely manage the router they purchased? Thanks - Chris On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 11:44 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: One time fee, unlimited warranty as long as they are on the system, we double the cost so AirGateway-LR’s are $60, AirRouter-HP’s $120. We stopped selling AirRouters. We also offer a long-range rubber-duckie antenna for an additional $20. What we save in tech support time is huge because we can manage them all. What we save on image from crappy routers is even bigger. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2015 7:12 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers Jab charges I think On May 31, 2015 8:20 PM, Keefe John keefe...@ethoplex.com wrote: If they buy your router how much do you support it? Is that support free? On 5/31/2015 6:09 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Our support ends at the cable that plugs into the router. If we see the connection be made. We are done and we suggest they buy ours. Considering that 80% of the customers have our routers, it’s worked pretty well. Based on the fact consumer routers have gone up in price, it’s created a profit point for us. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:46 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer owned wireless routers We don't support their stove like we don't support their wireless router. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 31, 2015 2:14 PM, t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Do any of you guys have policies for customer owned wireless routers if they dont get wireless routers from you? If you do whats your policy for this? Tim
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Right. Well, that's my intention, anyway. I haven't seen anything spelled out from any of them that would indicate otherwise. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:11:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Ok ok… so they are “just peers” on the exchange like anyone else? Thanks, Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes I am not the one providing that service, they are. They are the ones facilitating their equipment. I just support them where asked by them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 12:07:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Purely a personal opinion … one based on working with an IX for about 5 years, working with many ISP etc… IX’s should * not * be in the business of providing caching content to their “customers” – you are in some regards competing with your own peers (especially if they sell transit services). From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes It does help to an extent. You didn't know my intentions, but few people would have experience with my position anyway. I was inquiring as an IX, not as a WISP. Different companies have different models and so we're trying to gauge infrastructure requirements. For instance, we're already in contract with Akamai for some boxes. They send out a few boxes and gradually increase that count until they switch to a different model. Limelight only does superPOPs, so they'll only utilize transport from their remote facility. Netflix has caching boxes available for people, so it's assumed that they would do something similar. Google does have caching boxes, but was asking about wavelength providers in the facility. Those that provide boxes still need Internet connectivity to pull whatever isn't on the box. They work with the IX to get that. Knowing how the different caching mechanisms work provides background as to the scale of support infrastructure they need. Of course they'll tell you when they sign what they require, but knowing ahead of time is nice. We offered some of them transport, but due to their infrastructure, they preferred transit over transport. Just looking to be as helpful as we can and make it as cost effective as we can for everybody. We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:19:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes So I’ll try to answer this for you … have all of them… Percent of bandwidth saved… really depends on your network, traffic levels, subscriber breakdown (residential vs business), connectivity etc… there’s no magic answer but if you had all three systems you listed then it should hit a minimum of 50%. Upstream amount used is less than you used before J Akamai and Google both “fill on demand” so they are generally speaking very linear in upstream vs content served out of them – over time that difference is quite noticeable. Netflix uses a “prefill” mechanism which is typically 1.5Gb/s for 8-10 hours per day off hours so if you’re not serving at least 2-3Gb/s of Netflix traffic it’s not remotely worthwhile. Also consider the space/power that some of these servers require – it can add up in a hurry. Generally speaking I wouldn’t deploy any of their solutions until you have 1Gb/s on Akamai minimum, 3 Gb/s minimum on Google/Youtube, and 5 Gb/s minimum on Netflix… assuming you have lots of space/power. These are just rough guidelines – everyone’s situation is different. Netflix servers are the heaviest density servers and depending on traffic levels then Akamai is next in density but you will only see those boxes for Akamai in very high traffic environments – their “stock” servers I think do about 700-800Mb/s per physical server (usually a cluster of 3 to start), while their more dense servers do 10Gb/s+ per box. Google servers typically go up to a max of 3.1-3.2 Gb/s per server (usually a cluster of 3 to start as well). Netflix servers (latest generation “C”) have 2x10G interfaces and can serve up to around 15Gb/s each – they usually will start you
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Yes, but typically on different IX’s you also have transit providers who can provide the same low latency connectivity :) I guess that’s part of my point – if you look at it from an ISP that is providing transit services to other providers etc … I’m just a believer that IX’s should remain a pure layer2 fabric provider and stay away from additional services (within reason). Providing community services such as public NTP or DNS root server access makes total sense – but providing commercial “connectivity” options doesn’t … in my opinion…. Of course, North American and European IX’s have different accepted approaches too … From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson - MTIN Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 2:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Yeah, we look as caching as a service available through member companies. If you want to buy a caching service then the exchange is the best place to buy it due to the low latency of an exchange. If it’s cached *and* a cross connect away it’s gonna be pretty darn fast comparatively speaking. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net mailto:j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Ok ok… so they are “just peers” on the exchange like anyone else? Thanks, Paul From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:26 PM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes I am not the one providing that service, they are. They are the ones facilitating their equipment. I just support them where asked by them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com/ http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com/ http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org p...@paulstewart.org To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 12:07:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Purely a personal opinion … one based on working with an IX for about 5 years, working with many ISP etc… IX’s should *not* be in the business of providing caching content to their “customers” – you are in some regards competing with your own peers (especially if they sell transit services). From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:33 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes It does help to an extent. You didn't know my intentions, but few people would have experience with my position anyway. I was inquiring as an IX, not as a WISP. Different companies have different models and so we're trying to gauge infrastructure requirements. For instance, we're already in contract with Akamai for some boxes. They send out a few boxes and gradually increase that count until they switch to a different model. Limelight only does superPOPs, so they'll only utilize transport from their remote facility. Netflix has caching boxes available for people, so it's assumed that they would do something similar. Google does have caching boxes, but was asking about wavelength providers in the facility. Those that provide boxes still need Internet connectivity to pull whatever isn't on the box. They work with the IX to get that. Knowing how the different caching mechanisms work provides background as to the scale of support infrastructure they need. Of course they'll tell you when they sign what they require, but knowing ahead of time is nice. We offered some of them transport, but due to their infrastructure, they preferred transit over transport. Just looking to be as helpful as we can and make it as cost effective as we can for everybody. We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com/ http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com/ http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
I sure there's often specials done to get someone to join the IX, whether it be because of a startup location or because of how important it would be to gain that network. It came out this morning that of the 4 tb/s on DE-CIX, Akamai has 12x 100GigE ports. Now that's ports, not consumption, but they would have that much if they didn't use close to it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:36:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Yes, but typically on different IX’s you also have transit providers who can provide the same low latency connectivity J I guess that’s part of my point – if you look at it from an ISP that is providing transit services to other providers etc … I’m just a believer that IX’s should remain a pure layer2 fabric provider and stay away from additional services (within reason). Providing community services such as public NTP or DNS root server access makes total sense – but providing commercial “connectivity” options doesn’t … in my opinion…. Of course, North American and European IX’s have different accepted approaches too … From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson - MTIN Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 2:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Yeah, we look as caching as a service available through member companies. If you want to buy a caching service then the exchange is the best place to buy it due to the low latency of an exchange. If it’s cached *and* a cross connect away it’s gonna be pretty darn fast comparatively speaking. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Ok ok… so they are “just peers” on the exchange like anyone else? Thanks, Paul From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes I am not the one providing that service, they are. They are the ones facilitating their equipment. I just support them where asked by them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 12:07:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Purely a personal opinion … one based on working with an IX for about 5 years, working with many ISP etc… IX’s should * not * be in the business of providing caching content to their “customers” – you are in some regards competing with your own peers (especially if they sell transit services). From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes It does help to an extent. You didn't know my intentions, but few people would have experience with my position anyway. I was inquiring as an IX, not as a WISP. Different companies have different models and so we're trying to gauge infrastructure requirements. For instance, we're already in contract with Akamai for some boxes. They send out a few boxes and gradually increase that count until they switch to a different model. Limelight only does superPOPs, so they'll only utilize transport from their remote facility. Netflix has caching boxes available for people, so it's assumed that they would do something similar. Google does have caching boxes, but was asking about wavelength providers in the facility. Those that provide boxes still need Internet connectivity to pull whatever isn't on the box. They work with the IX to get that. Knowing how the different caching mechanisms work provides background as to the scale of support infrastructure they need. Of course they'll tell you when they sign what they require, but knowing ahead of time is nice. We offered some of them transport, but due to their infrastructure, they preferred transit over transport. Just looking to be as helpful as we can and make it as cost effective as we can for everybody. We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:19:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes So I’ll try to answer this for you … have all of
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Ok ok… so they are “just peers” on the exchange like anyone else? Thanks, Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes I am not the one providing that service, they are. They are the ones facilitating their equipment. I just support them where asked by them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 12:07:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Purely a personal opinion … one based on working with an IX for about 5 years, working with many ISP etc… IX’s should *not* be in the business of providing caching content to their “customers” – you are in some regards competing with your own peers (especially if they sell transit services). From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes It does help to an extent. You didn't know my intentions, but few people would have experience with my position anyway. I was inquiring as an IX, not as a WISP. Different companies have different models and so we're trying to gauge infrastructure requirements. For instance, we're already in contract with Akamai for some boxes. They send out a few boxes and gradually increase that count until they switch to a different model. Limelight only does superPOPs, so they'll only utilize transport from their remote facility. Netflix has caching boxes available for people, so it's assumed that they would do something similar. Google does have caching boxes, but was asking about wavelength providers in the facility. Those that provide boxes still need Internet connectivity to pull whatever isn't on the box. They work with the IX to get that. Knowing how the different caching mechanisms work provides background as to the scale of support infrastructure they need. Of course they'll tell you when they sign what they require, but knowing ahead of time is nice. We offered some of them transport, but due to their infrastructure, they preferred transit over transport. Just looking to be as helpful as we can and make it as cost effective as we can for everybody. We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:19:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes So I’ll try to answer this for you … have all of them… Percent of bandwidth saved… really depends on your network, traffic levels, subscriber breakdown (residential vs business), connectivity etc… there’s no magic answer but if you had all three systems you listed then it should hit a minimum of 50%. Upstream amount used is less than you used before :) Akamai and Google both “fill on demand” so they are generally speaking very linear in upstream vs content served out of them – over time that difference is quite noticeable. Netflix uses a “prefill” mechanism which is typically 1.5Gb/s for 8-10 hours per day off hours so if you’re not serving at least 2-3Gb/s of Netflix traffic it’s not remotely worthwhile. Also consider the space/power that some of these servers require – it can add up in a hurry. Generally speaking I wouldn’t deploy any of their solutions until you have 1Gb/s on Akamai minimum, 3 Gb/s minimum on Google/Youtube, and 5 Gb/s minimum on Netflix… assuming you have lots of space/power.These are just rough guidelines – everyone’s situation is different. Netflix servers are the heaviest density servers and depending on traffic levels then Akamai is next in density but you will only see those boxes for Akamai in very high traffic environments – their “stock” servers I think do about 700-800Mb/s per physical server (usually a cluster of 3 to start),
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
LOL yeah...;) -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes On 6/1/15 8:32, Mike Hammett wrote: We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. That kind of marketing speak makes me sad as a networking guy. ~Seth
[AFMUG] Avago to buy Broadcom
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-27/avago-said-near-deal-to-buy-wireless-chipmaker-broadcom -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Purely a personal opinion … one based on working with an IX for about 5 years, working with many ISP etc… IX’s should *not* be in the business of providing caching content to their “customers” – you are in some regards competing with your own peers (especially if they sell transit services). From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes It does help to an extent. You didn't know my intentions, but few people would have experience with my position anyway. I was inquiring as an IX, not as a WISP. Different companies have different models and so we're trying to gauge infrastructure requirements. For instance, we're already in contract with Akamai for some boxes. They send out a few boxes and gradually increase that count until they switch to a different model. Limelight only does superPOPs, so they'll only utilize transport from their remote facility. Netflix has caching boxes available for people, so it's assumed that they would do something similar. Google does have caching boxes, but was asking about wavelength providers in the facility. Those that provide boxes still need Internet connectivity to pull whatever isn't on the box. They work with the IX to get that. Knowing how the different caching mechanisms work provides background as to the scale of support infrastructure they need. Of course they'll tell you when they sign what they require, but knowing ahead of time is nice. We offered some of them transport, but due to their infrastructure, they preferred transit over transport. Just looking to be as helpful as we can and make it as cost effective as we can for everybody. We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:19:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes So I’ll try to answer this for you … have all of them… Percent of bandwidth saved… really depends on your network, traffic levels, subscriber breakdown (residential vs business), connectivity etc… there’s no magic answer but if you had all three systems you listed then it should hit a minimum of 50%. Upstream amount used is less than you used before :) Akamai and Google both “fill on demand” so they are generally speaking very linear in upstream vs content served out of them – over time that difference is quite noticeable. Netflix uses a “prefill” mechanism which is typically 1.5Gb/s for 8-10 hours per day off hours so if you’re not serving at least 2-3Gb/s of Netflix traffic it’s not remotely worthwhile. Also consider the space/power that some of these servers require – it can add up in a hurry. Generally speaking I wouldn’t deploy any of their solutions until you have 1Gb/s on Akamai minimum, 3 Gb/s minimum on Google/Youtube, and 5 Gb/s minimum on Netflix… assuming you have lots of space/power.These are just rough guidelines – everyone’s situation is different. Netflix servers are the heaviest density servers and depending on traffic levels then Akamai is next in density but you will only see those boxes for Akamai in very high traffic environments – their “stock” servers I think do about 700-800Mb/s per physical server (usually a cluster of 3 to start), while their more dense servers do 10Gb/s+ per box. Google servers typically go up to a max of 3.1-3.2 Gb/s per server (usually a cluster of 3 to start as well). Netflix servers (latest generation “C”) have 2x10G interfaces and can serve up to around 15Gb/s each – they usually will start you with 2 of these servers but not always. The ASN that fills the caches varies all over the place and is totally dependent on your network and upstreams. Peering links with these providers are heavily used when possible. Let me know if this helps… Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 10:10 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes For those of you with caching boxes from Akamai, Gogole, NetFlix, etc. could you let me know: * Percent of bandwidth saved (IE, 10 gigs of downstream traffic and 1 gig of upstream traffic would be 90% saved) * Upstream amount used * ASN the upstream comes from * Traceroute to the upstream (to see
Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
We just got ours just walked in the office On Jun 1, 2015 10:57 AM, Jon Paul Kelley jpkel...@ckswireless.com wrote: Saw it this morning when I got into the office on my laptop and desktop computers. I signed up. Jon Paul Kelley CKS Wireless -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon Has anyone else seen a Get Windows 10 icon mysteriously appear in your Windows 7 System Tray? If I click, it says Reserve your FREE upgrade now, it will download once available. Apparently once it downloads, you get to choose when to install it. That's nice, I'm imagining opening up my laptop to do a presentation and finding it in the midst of upgrading from Windows 7 to 10, which would be quite a change.
Re: [AFMUG] Avago to buy Broadcom
I hope that if this completes that this means that broadcom parts will become much easier to obtain. They have some really nice parts, but unless you're buying them on a high volume consumer electronics scale, there is no easy way to obtain them. On Jun 1, 2015 11:33 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-27/avago-said-near-deal-to-buy-wireless-chipmaker-broadcom -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
I am not the one providing that service, they are. They are the ones facilitating their equipment. I just support them where asked by them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 12:07:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Purely a personal opinion … one based on working with an IX for about 5 years, working with many ISP etc… IX’s should * not * be in the business of providing caching content to their “customers” – you are in some regards competing with your own peers (especially if they sell transit services). From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes It does help to an extent. You didn't know my intentions, but few people would have experience with my position anyway. I was inquiring as an IX, not as a WISP. Different companies have different models and so we're trying to gauge infrastructure requirements. For instance, we're already in contract with Akamai for some boxes. They send out a few boxes and gradually increase that count until they switch to a different model. Limelight only does superPOPs, so they'll only utilize transport from their remote facility. Netflix has caching boxes available for people, so it's assumed that they would do something similar. Google does have caching boxes, but was asking about wavelength providers in the facility. Those that provide boxes still need Internet connectivity to pull whatever isn't on the box. They work with the IX to get that. Knowing how the different caching mechanisms work provides background as to the scale of support infrastructure they need. Of course they'll tell you when they sign what they require, but knowing ahead of time is nice. We offered some of them transport, but due to their infrastructure, they preferred transit over transport. Just looking to be as helpful as we can and make it as cost effective as we can for everybody. We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:19:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes So I’ll try to answer this for you … have all of them… Percent of bandwidth saved… really depends on your network, traffic levels, subscriber breakdown (residential vs business), connectivity etc… there’s no magic answer but if you had all three systems you listed then it should hit a minimum of 50%. Upstream amount used is less than you used before J Akamai and Google both “fill on demand” so they are generally speaking very linear in upstream vs content served out of them – over time that difference is quite noticeable. Netflix uses a “prefill” mechanism which is typically 1.5Gb/s for 8-10 hours per day off hours so if you’re not serving at least 2-3Gb/s of Netflix traffic it’s not remotely worthwhile. Also consider the space/power that some of these servers require – it can add up in a hurry. Generally speaking I wouldn’t deploy any of their solutions until you have 1Gb/s on Akamai minimum, 3 Gb/s minimum on Google/Youtube, and 5 Gb/s minimum on Netflix… assuming you have lots of space/power. These are just rough guidelines – everyone’s situation is different. Netflix servers are the heaviest density servers and depending on traffic levels then Akamai is next in density but you will only see those boxes for Akamai in very high traffic environments – their “stock” servers I think do about 700-800Mb/s per physical server (usually a cluster of 3 to start), while their more dense servers do 10Gb/s+ per box. Google servers typically go up to a max of 3.1-3.2 Gb/s per server (usually a cluster of 3 to start as well). Netflix servers (latest generation “C”) have 2x10G interfaces and can serve up to around 15Gb/s each – they usually will start you with 2 of these servers but not always. The ASN that fills the caches varies all over the place and is totally dependent on your network and upstreams. Peering links with these providers are heavily used when possible. Let me know if this helps… Paul From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 10:10 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes For those of you with caching boxes from Akamai, Gogole, NetFlix, etc. could you let me know: * Percent of bandwidth saved (IE, 10 gigs of downstream traffic and 1 gig of upstream traffic would be 90% saved) * Upstream
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Yeah, we look as caching as a service available through member companies. If you want to buy a caching service then the exchange is the best place to buy it due to the low latency of an exchange. If it’s cached *and* a cross connect away it’s gonna be pretty darn fast comparatively speaking. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/ Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com http://www.midwest-ix.com/ Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Ok ok… so they are “just peers” on the exchange like anyone else? Thanks, Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:26 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes I am not the one providing that service, they are. They are the ones facilitating their equipment. I just support them where asked by them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com http://www.midwest-ix.com/ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 12:07:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Purely a personal opinion … one based on working with an IX for about 5 years, working with many ISP etc… IX’s should *not* be in the business of providing caching content to their “customers” – you are in some regards competing with your own peers (especially if they sell transit services). From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes It does help to an extent. You didn't know my intentions, but few people would have experience with my position anyway. I was inquiring as an IX, not as a WISP. Different companies have different models and so we're trying to gauge infrastructure requirements. For instance, we're already in contract with Akamai for some boxes. They send out a few boxes and gradually increase that count until they switch to a different model. Limelight only does superPOPs, so they'll only utilize transport from their remote facility. Netflix has caching boxes available for people, so it's assumed that they would do something similar. Google does have caching boxes, but was asking about wavelength providers in the facility. Those that provide boxes still need Internet connectivity to pull whatever isn't on the box. They work with the IX to get that. Knowing how the different caching mechanisms work provides background as to the scale of support infrastructure they need. Of course they'll tell you when they sign what they require, but knowing ahead of time is nice. We offered some of them transport, but due to their infrastructure, they preferred transit over transport. Just looking to be as helpful as we can and make it as cost effective as we can for everybody. We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/ https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com http://www.midwest-ix.com/ https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:19:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes So I’ll try to answer this for you … have all of them… Percent of bandwidth saved… really depends on your network, traffic levels, subscriber breakdown (residential vs business), connectivity etc… there’s no magic answer but if you had all three systems you listed then it should hit a minimum of 50%. Upstream amount used is less than you used before J Akamai and Google both “fill on demand” so they are generally speaking very linear in upstream vs content served out of them – over time
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
On a side note, I may look at dropping a port into your IX sometime next year (via 350 Cermak). That will depend at the time on the peers you have and traffic calculations – it’s purely a mechanical calculation to see if it’s worthwhile for us… currently connecting to Equinix Chicago at the moment (via remote fiber links) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson - MTIN Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 2:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Yeah, we look as caching as a service available through member companies. If you want to buy a caching service then the exchange is the best place to buy it due to the low latency of an exchange. If it’s cached *and* a cross connect away it’s gonna be pretty darn fast comparatively speaking. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net mailto:j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Ok ok… so they are “just peers” on the exchange like anyone else? Thanks, Paul From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:26 PM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes I am not the one providing that service, they are. They are the ones facilitating their equipment. I just support them where asked by them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com/ http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com/ http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org p...@paulstewart.org To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 12:07:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Purely a personal opinion … one based on working with an IX for about 5 years, working with many ISP etc… IX’s should *not* be in the business of providing caching content to their “customers” – you are in some regards competing with your own peers (especially if they sell transit services). From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:33 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes It does help to an extent. You didn't know my intentions, but few people would have experience with my position anyway. I was inquiring as an IX, not as a WISP. Different companies have different models and so we're trying to gauge infrastructure requirements. For instance, we're already in contract with Akamai for some boxes. They send out a few boxes and gradually increase that count until they switch to a different model. Limelight only does superPOPs, so they'll only utilize transport from their remote facility. Netflix has caching boxes available for people, so it's assumed that they would do something similar. Google does have caching boxes, but was asking about wavelength providers in the facility. Those that provide boxes still need Internet connectivity to pull whatever isn't on the box. They work with the IX to get that. Knowing how the different caching mechanisms work provides background as to the scale of support infrastructure they need. Of course they'll tell you when they sign what they require, but knowing ahead of time is nice. We offered some of them transport, but due to their infrastructure, they preferred transit over transport. Just looking to be as helpful as we can and make it as cost effective as we can for everybody. We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com/ http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com/ http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org p...@paulstewart.org To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:19:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes So I’ll try to answer this for you … have all of them…
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Agreed. Risks\rewards. It'd be great if we had dual infrastructures like INEX or LINX everywhere. Give some redundancy to mitigate *some* of that risk by having everything on an IX. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 2:00:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Ah ok … yeah thanks … I wasn’t sure myself J As long as people are realistic when buying things like transit across a peering fabric then my personal opinion is to go ahead…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 2:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Also, I think what Justin was trying to convey is that we're not limiting the IX to purely SFI. If you want to purchase your transit or other services via someone on the IX, then go right ahead. Some IXes limit it to SFI, some don't. He wasn't implying that Midwest-IX sells caching or other type of services on the IX. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:41:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes On a side note, I may look at dropping a port into your IX sometime next year (via 350 Cermak). That will depend at the time on the peers you have and traffic calculations – it’s purely a mechanical calculation to see if it’s worthwhile for us… currently connecting to Equinix Chicago at the moment (via remote fiber links) From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson - MTIN Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 2:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Yeah, we look as caching as a service available through member companies. If you want to buy a caching service then the exchange is the best place to buy it due to the low latency of an exchange. If it’s cached *and* a cross connect away it’s gonna be pretty darn fast comparatively speaking. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Ok ok… so they are “just peers” on the exchange like anyone else? Thanks, Paul From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes I am not the one providing that service, they are. They are the ones facilitating their equipment. I just support them where asked by them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 12:07:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Purely a personal opinion … one based on working with an IX for about 5 years, working with many ISP etc… IX’s should * not * be in the business of providing caching content to their “customers” – you are in some regards competing with your own peers (especially if they sell transit services). From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes It does help to an extent. You didn't know my intentions, but few people would have experience with my position anyway. I was inquiring as an IX, not as a WISP. Different companies have different models and so we're trying to gauge infrastructure requirements. For instance, we're already in contract with Akamai for some boxes. They send out a few boxes and gradually increase that count until they switch to a different model. Limelight only does superPOPs, so they'll only utilize transport from their remote facility. Netflix has caching boxes available for people, so it's assumed that they would do something similar. Google does have caching boxes, but was asking about wavelength providers in the facility. Those that provide boxes still need Internet connectivity to pull whatever isn't on the box. They work with the IX to get that. Knowing how the different caching mechanisms work provides background as to the scale of support infrastructure they need. Of course they'll tell you when they sign what they require, but knowing ahead of time is nice. We offered some of them transport, but due to their infrastructure, they preferred transit over transport. Just looking to be as helpful as we can and make it as cost effective as we can for
[AFMUG] Portable Wifi Bridge and/or Router.
Question for those of you who deal with WiFi devices a lot more than I do: I am in the market for a small WiFi access point which I can use primarily to connect a small Ethernet network to wireless devices (tablets, phones). This is a trade show application - aka 2-3 Ethernet demo devices attached via WiFi. I'm looking for small, light, and although battery would be nice occasionally, wall power is a must, even if it is just leave it plugged into the charger while operating. I'm going to be flying with this device so I don't want something large and clunky. Bonus for a device which will also act as a wifi client/nat router at the same time aka act as a WISP client AND at the same time act as an AP. Not sure if this exists or is even possible with current hardware. If not, if there's a teensy wisp client out there with ethernet for this type of application, feel free to point me there... My fallback position is probably a RB951, although the new hAP light product is intriguing (not sure if it is even shipping yet). -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] Portable Wifi Bridge and/or Router.
I’ve used a UBNT picostation for things like this before Daniel White (303) 746-3590 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:53 PM To: af Subject: [AFMUG] Portable Wifi Bridge and/or Router. Question for those of you who deal with WiFi devices a lot more than I do: I am in the market for a small WiFi access point which I can use primarily to connect a small Ethernet network to wireless devices (tablets, phones). This is a trade show application - aka 2-3 Ethernet demo devices attached via WiFi. I'm looking for small, light, and although battery would be nice occasionally, wall power is a must, even if it is just leave it plugged into the charger while operating. I'm going to be flying with this device so I don't want something large and clunky. Bonus for a device which will also act as a wifi client/nat router at the same time aka act as a WISP client AND at the same time act as an AP. Not sure if this exists or is even possible with current hardware. If not, if there's a teensy wisp client out there with ethernet for this type of application, feel free to point me there... My fallback position is probably a RB951, although the new hAP light product is intriguing (not sure if it is even shipping yet). -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 mailto:forre...@imach.com forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com/ http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux http://ws-stats.appspot.com/t/pixel.png?e=setup_page_outlook_compose http://ws-stats.appspot.com/t/pixel.png?e=setup_page_outlook_activeuid=e965778f9a351fad7a8a860dffc144ce http://ws-stats.appspot.com/t/pixel.png?e=setup_page_outlook_activeuid=e965778f9a351fad7a8a860dffc144ce --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test
I’ve used this one before and got good results. This time it is showing me as 5 up, 12 down. I can and have downloaded at 30mbps in the last couple of hours and regularly see my webserver upload around 15-20mbps. Doesn’t seem terribly accurate to me, though I’ll test it again and see if it was a fluke. From: Paul Stewart Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 10:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test Only tried various fiber connections and ADSL2+ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test Same results with fiber and WISP? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 1, 2015 11:06 AM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: I find it quite accurate … done a few tests …. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 3:43 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] New Kind of Speed Test http://www.dslreports.com/speedtest - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
[AFMUG] looking for ptp100 5.4 BH20 link
Anyone got a used ptp100 5.4 link they want to sell? Craig R. Schmaderer CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc. Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 Direct: 402-372-1052
Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
Showed up here a little bit ago. I'm disinclined to get a reservation,
as I would like to hear all the grousing before I take the plunge...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/1/2015 8:30 AM, George Skorup wrote:
Getting it here on all of my W7 machines. I did the reservation thing.
The stupid icon won't go away though. I seriously have to look at that
thing for the next two months!?
On 6/1/2015 10:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not here (yet?). Maybe Illinois is served before California.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/31/2015 10:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Has anyone else seen a Get Windows 10 icon mysteriously appear in
your Windows 7 System Tray?
If I click, it says Reserve your FREE upgrade now, it will download
once available.
Apparently once it downloads, you get to choose when to install it.
That's nice, I'm imagining opening up my laptop to do a presentation
and finding it in the midst of upgrading from Windows 7 to 10, which
would be quite a change.
[AFMUG] Mounting a 6 foot dish on a Non Pen.
Hey all, I am looking to mount a 6' dish on a 10' tall mast (4 1/2 OD) at the top of the mast with something like this: https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=504727 Using a Cinderblock tray as the base. My question is, would this work? And how would I keep the dish from twisting on the mast? Sam -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Also, I think what Justin was trying to convey is that we're not limiting the IX to purely SFI. If you want to purchase your transit or other services via someone on the IX, then go right ahead. Some IXes limit it to SFI, some don't. He wasn't implying that Midwest-IX sells caching or other type of services on the IX. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:41:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes On a side note, I may look at dropping a port into your IX sometime next year (via 350 Cermak). That will depend at the time on the peers you have and traffic calculations – it’s purely a mechanical calculation to see if it’s worthwhile for us… currently connecting to Equinix Chicago at the moment (via remote fiber links) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson - MTIN Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 2:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Yeah, we look as caching as a service available through member companies. If you want to buy a caching service then the exchange is the best place to buy it due to the low latency of an exchange. If it’s cached *and* a cross connect away it’s gonna be pretty darn fast comparatively speaking. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Ok ok… so they are “just peers” on the exchange like anyone else? Thanks, Paul From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes I am not the one providing that service, they are. They are the ones facilitating their equipment. I just support them where asked by them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 12:07:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Purely a personal opinion … one based on working with an IX for about 5 years, working with many ISP etc… IX’s should * not * be in the business of providing caching content to their “customers” – you are in some regards competing with your own peers (especially if they sell transit services). From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes It does help to an extent. You didn't know my intentions, but few people would have experience with my position anyway. I was inquiring as an IX, not as a WISP. Different companies have different models and so we're trying to gauge infrastructure requirements. For instance, we're already in contract with Akamai for some boxes. They send out a few boxes and gradually increase that count until they switch to a different model. Limelight only does superPOPs, so they'll only utilize transport from their remote facility. Netflix has caching boxes available for people, so it's assumed that they would do something similar. Google does have caching boxes, but was asking about wavelength providers in the facility. Those that provide boxes still need Internet connectivity to pull whatever isn't on the box. They work with the IX to get that. Knowing how the different caching mechanisms work provides background as to the scale of support infrastructure they need. Of course they'll tell you when they sign what they require, but knowing ahead of time is nice. We offered some of them transport, but due to their infrastructure, they preferred transit over transport. Just looking to be as helpful as we can and make it as cost effective as we can for everybody. We are up to about 2.3M IPs either advertised today or are in process of getting hooked up on our Indy IX and looking to branch out soon. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 10:19:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes So I’ll try to answer this for you … have all of them… Percent of bandwidth saved… really depends on your network, traffic levels, subscriber breakdown (residential vs business), connectivity etc… there’s no magic answer but if you had all three systems you listed then it should hit a minimum of 50%. Upstream amount used is less than you used before J Akamai and Google both “fill on
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Sometimes … but a slippery slope… It’s harder when an IX is starting out - best thing that attracts new peers is free ports. This is quite common to see port fees waived until a substantial mass is reached. Once that mass is reached, then doing “specials” is lot less likely as that peer will hopefully want on the IX – less budgetary for them at that point. Wow re: Akamai … this is impressive for sure… kind of a broad statement without specifics … at the moment they “officially” have about 460Gb/s at Frankfurt so for future growth it makes sense. Some CDN’s don’t load their ports past 50% whenever possible as well .. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 2:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes I sure there's often specials done to get someone to join the IX, whether it be because of a startup location or because of how important it would be to gain that network. It came out this morning that of the 4 tb/s on DE-CIX, Akamai has 12x 100GigE ports. Now that's ports, not consumption, but they would have that much if they didn't use close to it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:36:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Yes, but typically on different IX’s you also have transit providers who can provide the same low latency connectivity :) I guess that’s part of my point – if you look at it from an ISP that is providing transit services to other providers etc … I’m just a believer that IX’s should remain a pure layer2 fabric provider and stay away from additional services (within reason). Providing community services such as public NTP or DNS root server access makes total sense – but providing commercial “connectivity” options doesn’t … in my opinion…. Of course, North American and European IX’s have different accepted approaches too … From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson - MTIN Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 2:22 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Yeah, we look as caching as a service available through member companies. If you want to buy a caching service then the exchange is the best place to buy it due to the low latency of an exchange. If it’s cached *and* a cross connect away it’s gonna be pretty darn fast comparatively speaking. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net mailto:j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Ok ok… so they are “just peers” on the exchange like anyone else? Thanks, Paul From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:26 PM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes I am not the one providing that service, they are. They are the ones facilitating their equipment. I just support them where asked by them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com/ http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com/ http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org p...@paulstewart.org To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 12:07:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Purely a personal opinion … one based on working with an IX for about 5 years, working with many ISP etc… IX’s should *not* be in the business of providing caching content to their “customers” – you are in some regards competing with your own peers (especially if they sell transit services). From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:33 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes It does help to an extent. You
Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
Just because you sign up for a download and a key doesn't mean you have to
install it.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
Showed up here a little bit ago. I'm disinclined to get a reservation,
as I would like to hear all the grousing before I take the plunge...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/1/2015 8:30 AM, George Skorup wrote:
Getting it here on all of my W7 machines. I did the reservation thing. The
stupid icon won't go away though. I seriously have to look at that thing
for the next two months!?
On 6/1/2015 10:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not here (yet?). Maybe Illinois is served before California.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/31/2015 10:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Has anyone else seen a Get Windows 10 icon mysteriously appear in your
Windows 7 System Tray?
If I click, it says Reserve your FREE upgrade now, it will download once
available.
Apparently once it downloads, you get to choose when to install it.
That's nice, I'm imagining opening up my laptop to do a presentation and
finding it in the midst of upgrading from Windows 7 to 10, which would
be quite a change.
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Yes, that could help for sure ... it's more that you have 3rd party equipment between you and your transit provider (no offense to anyone intended). A direct x-connect offers quite a bit of advantages .. (and yes, some costs) -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 3:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes On 6/1/15 12:00, Paul Stewart wrote: Ah ok … yeah thanks … I wasn’t sure myself J As long as people are realistic when buying things like transit across a peering fabric then my personal opinion is to go ahead…. I'd expect that's where a Private VLAN would come into play. It's still pure layer 2. ~Seth
[AFMUG] Toughswitch VLAN pairing on passtrough backhauls
We have some sites that currently have the backhauls on a switch with the pop isolated by a router. we are moving to fully routed sites with each backhaul going into its on router port. With UBNT we were just using POE toughswith to power them. Will the switch freak out if I put ports 1 and 2 in one vlan, 3 and 4 in another, and ports 5-8 in the default vlan on the inside of the router. This way I can connect and power the two backhauls from ports 1 and 3, with 2 and 4 connecting to the router ports? I just want to pair the ports, is this going to mess up the space time continuum or cause mice to get cancer? -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Portable Wifi Bridge and/or Router.
Can you use this and a POE switch? http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: Question for those of you who deal with WiFi devices a lot more than I do: I am in the market for a small WiFi access point which I can use primarily to connect a small Ethernet network to wireless devices (tablets, phones). This is a trade show application - aka 2-3 Ethernet demo devices attached via WiFi. I'm looking for small, light, and although battery would be nice occasionally, wall power is a must, even if it is just leave it plugged into the charger while operating. I'm going to be flying with this device so I don't want something large and clunky. Bonus for a device which will also act as a wifi client/nat router at the same time aka act as a WISP client AND at the same time act as an AP. Not sure if this exists or is even possible with current hardware. If not, if there's a teensy wisp client out there with ethernet for this type of application, feel free to point me there... My fallback position is probably a RB951, although the new hAP light product is intriguing (not sure if it is even shipping yet). -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
On 6/1/15 12:00, Paul Stewart wrote: Ah ok … yeah thanks … I wasn’t sure myself J As long as people are realistic when buying things like transit across a peering fabric then my personal opinion is to go ahead…. I'd expect that's where a Private VLAN would come into play. It's still pure layer 2. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
It looks like you have a 1 year window to get it free.
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
But if I wait, I only have to D/L it once.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/1/2015 11:58 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
Just because you sign up for a download and a key doesn't mean you have
to install it.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
Showed up here a little bit ago. I'm disinclined to get a reservation,
as I would like to hear all the grousing before I take the plunge...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/1/2015 8:30 AM, George Skorup wrote:
Getting it here on all of my W7 machines. I did the reservation thing.
The stupid icon won't go away though. I seriously have to look at that
thing for the next two months!?
On 6/1/2015 10:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not here (yet?). Maybe Illinois is served before California.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/31/2015 10:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Has anyone else seen a Get Windows 10 icon mysteriously appear in
your Windows 7 System Tray?
If I click, it says Reserve your FREE upgrade now, it will download
once available.
Apparently once it downloads, you get to choose when to install it.
That's nice, I'm imagining opening up my laptop to do a presentation and
finding it in the midst of upgrading from Windows 7 to 10, which would be
quite a change.
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a 6 foot dish on a Non Pen.
on our 4' dish we had planned on using angle iron vertically in one corner of the tray with struts going down to the two corners left and right for attaching the stabilizer if we needed it On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I am looking to mount a 6' dish on a 10' tall mast (4 1/2 OD) at the top of the mast with something like this: https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=504727 Using a Cinderblock tray as the base. My question is, would this work? And how would I keep the dish from twisting on the mast? Sam -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
But if I wait, I only have to D/L it once.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/1/2015 11:58 AM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
Just because you sign up for a download and a key doesn't mean you
have to install it.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 1:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
Showed up here a little bit ago. I'm disinclined to get a reservation,
as I would like to hear all the grousing before I take the plunge...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/1/2015 8:30 AM, George Skorup wrote:
Getting it here on all of my W7 machines. I did the reservation
thing. The stupid icon won't go away though. I seriously have to look
at that thing for the next two months!?
On 6/1/2015 10:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not here (yet?). Maybe Illinois is served before California.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/31/2015 10:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Has anyone else seen a Get Windows 10 icon mysteriously appear in
your Windows 7 System Tray?
If I click, it says Reserve your FREE upgrade now, it will download
once available.
Apparently once it downloads, you get to choose when to install it.
That's nice, I'm imagining opening up my laptop to do a
presentation and finding it in the midst of upgrading from Windows
7 to 10, which would be quite a change.
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Ah ok … yeah thanks … I wasn’t sure myself :) As long as people are realistic when buying things like transit across a peering fabric then my personal opinion is to go ahead…. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 2:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Also, I think what Justin was trying to convey is that we're not limiting the IX to purely SFI. If you want to purchase your transit or other services via someone on the IX, then go right ahead. Some IXes limit it to SFI, some don't. He wasn't implying that Midwest-IX sells caching or other type of services on the IX. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:41:59 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes On a side note, I may look at dropping a port into your IX sometime next year (via 350 Cermak). That will depend at the time on the peers you have and traffic calculations – it’s purely a mechanical calculation to see if it’s worthwhile for us… currently connecting to Equinix Chicago at the moment (via remote fiber links) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson - MTIN Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 2:22 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Yeah, we look as caching as a service available through member companies. If you want to buy a caching service then the exchange is the best place to buy it due to the low latency of an exchange. If it’s cached *and* a cross connect away it’s gonna be pretty darn fast comparatively speaking. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net mailto:j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Ok ok… so they are “just peers” on the exchange like anyone else? Thanks, Paul From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:26 PM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes I am not the one providing that service, they are. They are the ones facilitating their equipment. I just support them where asked by them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com/ http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com/ http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange https://twitter.com/mdwestix _ From: Paul Stewart mailto:p...@paulstewart.org p...@paulstewart.org To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 12:07:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes Purely a personal opinion … one based on working with an IX for about 5 years, working with many ISP etc… IX’s should *not* be in the business of providing caching content to their “customers” – you are in some regards competing with your own peers (especially if they sell transit services). From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 11:33 AM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes It does help to an extent. You didn't know my intentions, but few people would have experience with my position anyway. I was inquiring as an IX, not as a WISP. Different companies have different models and so we're trying to gauge infrastructure requirements. For instance, we're already in contract with Akamai for some boxes. They send out a few boxes and gradually increase that count until they switch to a different model. Limelight only does superPOPs, so they'll only utilize transport from their remote facility. Netflix has caching boxes available for people, so it's assumed that they would do something similar. Google does have caching boxes, but was asking about wavelength providers in the facility. Those that provide boxes still need Internet connectivity to pull whatever isn't on the box. They work with the IX to get
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
The IX can be a neutral marketplace. The IX should provide a limited set of layer 2 services. However, if a member wants to sell a caching service to others across a private VLAN then that is a benefit to both parties. Same with transit, or backup services, or multicast video feeds. The exchange provides the VLAN and the members of that VLAN do whatever they want with it. This is a value add to members, especially in places where $350 per month cross connects exist. The IX does not sell the caching, or transit. Switch hats from IX manager person to IX Member (aka I buy a port on the exchange) Now if I am on an exchange, and I can tell you (another IX member) that I can sell you a service and it’s 5-10ms than the best competitor not on the exchange thats a definite selling point. It also doesn’t touch the public internet, cuts out a transit provider, and costs .10 a meg. That is going to be attractive. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Yes, that could help for sure ... it's more that you have 3rd party equipment between you and your transit provider (no offense to anyone intended). A direct x-connect offers quite a bit of advantages .. (and yes, some costs) -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 3:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes On 6/1/15 12:00, Paul Stewart wrote: Ah ok … yeah thanks … I wasn’t sure myself J As long as people are realistic when buying things like transit across a peering fabric then my personal opinion is to go ahead…. I'd expect that's where a Private VLAN would come into play. It's still pure layer 2. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a 6 foot dish on a Non Pen.
Good point. If you get crafty, you could affix another mast to the edge of one of the trays for the stabilizer arm. *** Daniel White - Managing Director SAF North America LLC Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com mailto:daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com Skype: danieldwhite Social: LinkedIn http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84 *** From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 1:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a 6 foot dish on a Non Pen. on our 4' dish we had planned on using angle iron vertically in one corner of the tray with struts going down to the two corners left and right for attaching the stabilizer if we needed it On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I am looking to mount a 6' dish on a 10' tall mast (4 1/2 OD) at the top of the mast with something like this: https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=504727 Using a Cinderblock tray as the base. My question is, would this work? And how would I keep the dish from twisting on the mast? Sam -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 tel:575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a 6 foot dish on a Non Pen.
You need an actual 10 foot tower. You could engineer that to be non penetrating. The dish needs a stabilizer arm to tie back to something. Otherwise you will be visiting it often. If it’s licensed a 1 degree movement could mean the difference between a -60 and a -70. You could do something like the attached, but those are 4 foot dishes. 80 mph is roughly is somewhere around 700 foot pounds of torque on one axis and 900 on another. Thats a lot of power for anything to hold. There is a reason most big dishes are mounted to a tower near the guy wires on a guyed tower. For another example look at the picture on this wikipedia article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_broadband http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_broadband Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/ Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com http://www.midwest-ix.com/ Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 3:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: on our 4' dish we had planned on using angle iron vertically in one corner of the tray with struts going down to the two corners left and right for attaching the stabilizer if we needed it On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I am looking to mount a 6' dish on a 10' tall mast (4 1/2 OD) at the top of the mast with something like this: https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=504727 https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=504727 Using a Cinderblock tray as the base. My question is, would this work? And how would I keep the dish from twisting on the mast? Sam -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 tel:575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com/ -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Portable Wifi Bridge and/or Router.
That costs more, is bigger and has one less Ethernet port. Plug the POE is bigger and bulkier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com wrote: I’ve used a UBNT picostation for things like this before Daniel White (303) 746-3590 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian (List Account) *Sent:* Monday, June 1, 2015 1:53 PM *To:* af *Subject:* [AFMUG] Portable Wifi Bridge and/or Router. Question for those of you who deal with WiFi devices a lot more than I do: I am in the market for a small WiFi access point which I can use primarily to connect a small Ethernet network to wireless devices (tablets, phones). This is a trade show application - aka 2-3 Ethernet demo devices attached via WiFi. I'm looking for small, light, and although battery would be nice occasionally, wall power is a must, even if it is just leave it plugged into the charger while operating. I'm going to be flying with this device so I don't want something large and clunky. Bonus for a device which will also act as a wifi client/nat router at the same time aka act as a WISP client AND at the same time act as an AP. Not sure if this exists or is even possible with current hardware. If not, if there's a teensy wisp client out there with ethernet for this type of application, feel free to point me there... My fallback position is probably a RB951, although the new hAP light product is intriguing (not sure if it is even shipping yet). -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux -- [image: Avast logo] http://www.avast.com/ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a 6 foot dish on a Non Pen.
Hmm the tower idea is a not bad. I have a ROHN 25 sitting in the back. I could make a sled for it. Would a 25 work? Or is it too flimsy? On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net wrote: You need an actual 10 foot tower. You could engineer that to be non penetrating. The dish needs a stabilizer arm to tie back to something. Otherwise you will be visiting it often. If it’s licensed a 1 degree movement could mean the difference between a -60 and a -70. You could do something like the attached, but those are 4 foot dishes. 80 mph is roughly is somewhere around 700 foot pounds of torque on one axis and 900 on another. Thats a lot of power for anything to hold. There is a reason most big dishes are mounted to a tower near the guy wires on a guyed tower. For another example look at the picture on this wikipedia article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_broadband Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 3:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: on our 4' dish we had planned on using angle iron vertically in one corner of the tray with struts going down to the two corners left and right for attaching the stabilizer if we needed it On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I am looking to mount a 6' dish on a 10' tall mast (4 1/2 OD) at the top of the mast with something like this: https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=504727 Using a Cinderblock tray as the base. My question is, would this work? And how would I keep the dish from twisting on the mast? Sam -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com/ -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes
Absolutely agree :) -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson - MTIN Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes The IX can be a neutral marketplace. The IX should provide a limited set of layer 2 services. However, if a member wants to sell a caching service to others across a private VLAN then that is a benefit to both parties. Same with transit, or backup services, or multicast video feeds. The exchange provides the VLAN and the members of that VLAN do whatever they want with it. This is a value add to members, especially in places where $350 per month cross connects exist. The IX does not sell the caching, or transit. Switch hats from IX manager person to IX Member (aka I buy a port on the exchange) Now if I am on an exchange, and I can tell you (another IX member) that I can sell you a service and it’s 5-10ms than the best competitor not on the exchange thats a definite selling point. It also doesn’t touch the public internet, cuts out a transit provider, and costs .10 a meg. That is going to be attractive. Justin Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 3:21 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Yes, that could help for sure ... it's more that you have 3rd party equipment between you and your transit provider (no offense to anyone intended). A direct x-connect offers quite a bit of advantages .. (and yes, some costs) -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 3:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Caching Boxes On 6/1/15 12:00, Paul Stewart wrote: Ah ok … yeah thanks … I wasn’t sure myself J As long as people are realistic when buying things like transit across a peering fabric then my personal opinion is to go ahead…. I'd expect that's where a Private VLAN would come into play. It's still pure layer 2. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Portable Wifi Bridge and/or Router.
Maybe. I'm actually probably going to buy one of those and the mAP just to play with. I have some ideas. I swear I've seen something which was designed to connect to a hotspot, then NAT the hotspot connection and deliver it through both AP and wired modes. You know, so you could connect your wired and wireless devices on what appears to be a single connection. I probably need 2 (usable) or 3 (great) Ethernet ports. -forrest On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Can you use this and a POE switch? http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: Question for those of you who deal with WiFi devices a lot more than I do: I am in the market for a small WiFi access point which I can use primarily to connect a small Ethernet network to wireless devices (tablets, phones). This is a trade show application - aka 2-3 Ethernet demo devices attached via WiFi. I'm looking for small, light, and although battery would be nice occasionally, wall power is a must, even if it is just leave it plugged into the charger while operating. I'm going to be flying with this device so I don't want something large and clunky. Bonus for a device which will also act as a wifi client/nat router at the same time aka act as a WISP client AND at the same time act as an AP. Not sure if this exists or is even possible with current hardware. If not, if there's a teensy wisp client out there with ethernet for this type of application, feel free to point me there... My fallback position is probably a RB951, although the new hAP light product is intriguing (not sure if it is even shipping yet). -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] Portable Wifi Bridge and/or Router.
but If you're at a convention you won't be able to establish WDS with the convention center's APs. Hence a client + AP in one box. A Routerboard with two wifi cards would do it. On 6/1/2015 5:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: The AP needs to support it. Ubnt and MT call it WDS repeater. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 1, 2015 4:53 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com mailto:li...@packetflux.com wrote: I guess you could call the functionality I'm looking for more of the Repeater or Mesh operation, but with NAT in the middle. I.E. today you can, add a virtual AP to a Mikrotik device, so it looks like two devices. I'm looking for the functionality where you can add both a 'wireless AP' and 'client bridge' to the same device. Yes, I know all about the whole 'speed getting slower with WDS/mess issue, etc.), but in this case it doesn't really matter since the traffic is going to be next to nothing. It seems that most hardware and/or drivers will only permit you to be in AP or Client mode. Like I said, I swear I've seen a device which actually works in both at the same time with the same radio - either that or some small device which has two radios in it. Otherwise, I'll just go the separate AP and client bridge route. -forrest On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ether1/poe in pulls DHCP and gets your Internet bridge1 (ether2/wlan0) is 172.16.0.1/24 http://172.16.0.1/24 and gets NATed What are you missing? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com mailto:li...@packetflux.com wrote: Maybe. I'm actually probably going to buy one of those and the mAP just to play with. I have some ideas. I swear I've seen something which was designed to connect to a hotspot, then NAT the hotspot connection and deliver it through both AP and wired modes. You know, so you could connect your wired and wireless devices on what appears to be a single connection. I probably need 2 (usable) or 3 (great) Ethernet ports. -forrest On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Can you use this and a POE switch? http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com mailto:li...@packetflux.com wrote: Question for those of you who deal with WiFi devices a lot more than I do: I am in the market for a small WiFi access point which I can use primarily to connect a small Ethernet network to wireless devices (tablets, phones). This is a trade show application - aka 2-3 Ethernet demo devices attached via WiFi. I'm looking for small, light, and although battery would be nice occasionally, wall power is a must, even if it is just leave it plugged into the charger while operating. I'm going to be flying with this device so I don't want something large and clunky. Bonus for a device which will also act as a wifi client/nat router at the same time aka act as a WISP client AND at the same time act as an AP. Not sure if this exists or is even possible with current hardware. If not, if there's a teensy wisp client out there with ethernet for this type of application, feel free to point me there... My fallback position is probably a RB951, although the new hAP light product is intriguing (not sure if it is even shipping yet). -- *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./ Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena,
Re: [AFMUG] Portable Wifi Bridge and/or Router.
Ether1/poe in pulls DHCP and gets your Internet bridge1 (ether2/wlan0) is 172.16.0.1/24 and gets NATed What are you missing? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: Maybe. I'm actually probably going to buy one of those and the mAP just to play with. I have some ideas. I swear I've seen something which was designed to connect to a hotspot, then NAT the hotspot connection and deliver it through both AP and wired modes. You know, so you could connect your wired and wireless devices on what appears to be a single connection. I probably need 2 (usable) or 3 (great) Ethernet ports. -forrest On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Can you use this and a POE switch? http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: Question for those of you who deal with WiFi devices a lot more than I do: I am in the market for a small WiFi access point which I can use primarily to connect a small Ethernet network to wireless devices (tablets, phones). This is a trade show application - aka 2-3 Ethernet demo devices attached via WiFi. I'm looking for small, light, and although battery would be nice occasionally, wall power is a must, even if it is just leave it plugged into the charger while operating. I'm going to be flying with this device so I don't want something large and clunky. Bonus for a device which will also act as a wifi client/nat router at the same time aka act as a WISP client AND at the same time act as an AP. Not sure if this exists or is even possible with current hardware. If not, if there's a teensy wisp client out there with ethernet for this type of application, feel free to point me there... My fallback position is probably a RB951, although the new hAP light product is intriguing (not sure if it is even shipping yet). -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] Portable Wifi Bridge and/or Router.
I guess you could call the functionality I'm looking for more of the Repeater or Mesh operation, but with NAT in the middle. I.E. today you can, add a virtual AP to a Mikrotik device, so it looks like two devices. I'm looking for the functionality where you can add both a 'wireless AP' and 'client bridge' to the same device. Yes, I know all about the whole 'speed getting slower with WDS/mess issue, etc.), but in this case it doesn't really matter since the traffic is going to be next to nothing. It seems that most hardware and/or drivers will only permit you to be in AP or Client mode. Like I said, I swear I've seen a device which actually works in both at the same time with the same radio - either that or some small device which has two radios in it. Otherwise, I'll just go the separate AP and client bridge route. -forrest On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ether1/poe in pulls DHCP and gets your Internet bridge1 (ether2/wlan0) is 172.16.0.1/24 and gets NATed What are you missing? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: Maybe. I'm actually probably going to buy one of those and the mAP just to play with. I have some ideas. I swear I've seen something which was designed to connect to a hotspot, then NAT the hotspot connection and deliver it through both AP and wired modes. You know, so you could connect your wired and wireless devices on what appears to be a single connection. I probably need 2 (usable) or 3 (great) Ethernet ports. -forrest On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Can you use this and a POE switch? http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: Question for those of you who deal with WiFi devices a lot more than I do: I am in the market for a small WiFi access point which I can use primarily to connect a small Ethernet network to wireless devices (tablets, phones). This is a trade show application - aka 2-3 Ethernet demo devices attached via WiFi. I'm looking for small, light, and although battery would be nice occasionally, wall power is a must, even if it is just leave it plugged into the charger while operating. I'm going to be flying with this device so I don't want something large and clunky. Bonus for a device which will also act as a wifi client/nat router at the same time aka act as a WISP client AND at the same time act as an AP. Not sure if this exists or is even possible with current hardware. If not, if there's a teensy wisp client out there with ethernet for this type of application, feel free to point me there... My fallback position is probably a RB951, although the new hAP light product is intriguing (not sure if it is even shipping yet). -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] Portable Wifi Bridge and/or Router.
Found what I think is the one I remember: http://www.downloads.netgear.com/files/GDC/PR2000/PR2000_DS_05Dec13.pdf It has two ethernet ports, and allows you to do exactly what I was described. I've sort of switched gears though and decided to just grab two of the new hAP lite devices. I'll zip tie them together and add a small ethernet jumper. That will gain me what I want, plus 6 ethernet ports. Not as small and neat but I think I can live with it. On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: but If you're at a convention you won't be able to establish WDS with the convention center's APs. Hence a client + AP in one box. A Routerboard with two wifi cards would do it. On 6/1/2015 5:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: The AP needs to support it. Ubnt and MT call it WDS repeater. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jun 1, 2015 4:53 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: I guess you could call the functionality I'm looking for more of the Repeater or Mesh operation, but with NAT in the middle. I.E. today you can, add a virtual AP to a Mikrotik device, so it looks like two devices. I'm looking for the functionality where you can add both a 'wireless AP' and 'client bridge' to the same device. Yes, I know all about the whole 'speed getting slower with WDS/mess issue, etc.), but in this case it doesn't really matter since the traffic is going to be next to nothing. It seems that most hardware and/or drivers will only permit you to be in AP or Client mode. Like I said, I swear I've seen a device which actually works in both at the same time with the same radio - either that or some small device which has two radios in it. Otherwise, I'll just go the separate AP and client bridge route. -forrest On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Ether1/poe in pulls DHCP and gets your Internet bridge1 (ether2/wlan0) is 172.16.0.1/24 and gets NATed What are you missing? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: Maybe. I'm actually probably going to buy one of those and the mAP just to play with. I have some ideas. I swear I've seen something which was designed to connect to a hotspot, then NAT the hotspot connection and deliver it through both AP and wired modes. You know, so you could connect your wired and wireless devices on what appears to be a single connection. I probably need 2 (usable) or 3 (great) Ethernet ports. -forrest On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Can you use this and a POE switch? http://routerboard.com/RBmAP2n Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: Question for those of you who deal with WiFi devices a lot more than I do: I am in the market for a small WiFi access point which I can use primarily to connect a small Ethernet network to wireless devices (tablets, phones). This is a trade show application - aka 2-3 Ethernet demo devices attached via WiFi. I'm looking for small, light, and although battery would be nice occasionally, wall power is a must, even if it is just leave it plugged into the charger while operating. I'm going to be flying with this device so I don't want something large and clunky. Bonus for a device which will also act as a wifi client/nat router at the same time aka act as a WISP client AND at the same time act as an AP. Not sure if this exists or is even possible with current hardware. If not, if there's a teensy wisp client out there with ethernet for this type of application, feel free to point me there... My fallback position is probably a RB951, although the new hAP light product is intriguing (not sure if it is even shipping yet). -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux -- *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
Re: [AFMUG] Get Windows 10 icon
We've had a couple of the office PCs running the W10 tech preview. Other
than some minor bugs it has been fine.
Make sense for MS to push this out. Support one OS and get rid of the
rest. Hey, at least they're not like, yeah, you're gonna have to cough
up another $150.
I wonder if Server 2012R2 will get a free upgrade to Server 10. I also
ran the tech preview of Server 10 for a couple weeks and it didn't seem
to have that much benefit over 2012R2, so I just bought a copy of that
to upgrade an old server.
On 6/1/2015 1:53 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Showed up here a little bit ago. I'm disinclined to get a reservation,
as I would like to hear all the grousing before I take the plunge...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 6/1/2015 8:30 AM, George Skorup wrote:
Getting it here on all of my W7 machines. I did the reservation
thing. The stupid icon won't go away though. I seriously have to look
at that thing for the next two months!?
On 6/1/2015 10:13 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Not here (yet?). Maybe Illinois is served before California.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/31/2015 10:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Has anyone else seen a Get Windows 10 icon mysteriously appear in
your Windows 7 System Tray?
If I click, it says Reserve your FREE upgrade now, it will download
once available.
Apparently once it downloads, you get to choose when to install
it. That's nice, I'm imagining opening up my laptop to do a
presentation and finding it in the midst of upgrading from Windows
7 to 10, which would be quite a change.
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a 6 foot dish on a Non Pen.
I'd maybe look at something from Baird instead: https://www.bairdmounts.com/products/wireless They have some big beefy non-pen mounts that will hold some pretty good sized antennas, all engineered, etc. On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I am looking to mount a 6' dish on a 10' tall mast (4 1/2 OD) at the top of the mast with something like this: https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=504727 Using a Cinderblock tray as the base. My question is, would this work? And how would I keep the dish from twisting on the mast? Sam -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
[AFMUG] Guy wires and signal issuws
If any of you have backhaul on guyed towers, will the wires ever affect the signal strength on licensed or unlicensed paths? I'm just wondering how much signal we lose if the guy wire is in our wireless path out and if it being closer to the antenna makes it worse than if the wire is further out.
Re: [AFMUG] Guy wires and signal issuws
I have shot right into them before and dont seem to have enough issue with it to notice a problem. Craig - Original Message - From: Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 6:08:08 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Guy wires and signal issuws If any of you have backhaul on guyed towers, will the wires ever affect the signal strength on licensed or unlicensed paths? I'm just wondering how much signal we lose if the guy wire is in our wireless path out and if it being closer to the antenna makes it worse than if the wire is further out.
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a 6 foot dish on a Non Pen.
Also a good point! :) Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Also keep in mind there is a difference between a 6 ft dish at 6 GHz and a 6 ft dish at 11 or 18 GHz which will not tolerate any twisting of the tower/mast. Although I had an 11 GHz 3 ft dish and a 5 GHz 3 ft backup on a tower that had additional guy wires added and all the guy wires re-tensioned, and both dishes took big hits in signal until they were re-aimed. If they had been 6 ft dishes, the links might have completely dropped. *From:* Erich Kaiser er...@northcentraltower.com *Sent:* Monday, June 01, 2015 8:48 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a 6 foot dish on a Non Pen. Rohn 25 would not work, you would be better off with 4.5 15ft pipe non-pen and a separate non-pen for stiff arm, it would need to be angled toward the weight of the non-pen. I have a non-pen with 15ft 4.5 pipe, just cant remember brand name at this moment. Are you mounting on a roof or anywhere near a wall? Even some angle iron would work as a stiff arm. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm the tower idea is a not bad. I have a ROHN 25 sitting in the back. I could make a sled for it. Would a 25 work? Or is it too flimsy? On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net wrote: You need an actual 10 foot tower. You could engineer that to be non penetrating. The dish needs a stabilizer arm to tie back to something. Otherwise you will be visiting it often. If it’s licensed a 1 degree movement could mean the difference between a -60 and a -70. You could do something like the attached, but those are 4 foot dishes. 80 mph is roughly is somewhere around 700 foot pounds of torque on one axis and 900 on another. Thats a lot of power for anything to hold. There is a reason most big dishes are mounted to a tower near the guy wires on a guyed tower. For another example look at the picture on this wikipedia article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_broadband Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 3:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: on our 4' dish we had planned on using angle iron vertically in one corner of the tray with struts going down to the two corners left and right for attaching the stabilizer if we needed it On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I am looking to mount a 6' dish on a 10' tall mast (4 1/2 OD) at the top of the mast with something like this: https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=504727 Using a Cinderblock tray as the base. My question is, would this work? And how would I keep the dish from twisting on the mast? Sam -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com/ -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a 6 foot dish on a Non Pen.
Rohn 25 would not work, you would be better off with 4.5 15ft pipe non-pen and a separate non-pen for stiff arm, it would need to be angled toward the weight of the non-pen. I have a non-pen with 15ft 4.5 pipe, just cant remember brand name at this moment. Are you mounting on a roof or anywhere near a wall? Even some angle iron would work as a stiff arm. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm the tower idea is a not bad. I have a ROHN 25 sitting in the back. I could make a sled for it. Would a 25 work? Or is it too flimsy? On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net wrote: You need an actual 10 foot tower. You could engineer that to be non penetrating. The dish needs a stabilizer arm to tie back to something. Otherwise you will be visiting it often. If it’s licensed a 1 degree movement could mean the difference between a -60 and a -70. You could do something like the attached, but those are 4 foot dishes. 80 mph is roughly is somewhere around 700 foot pounds of torque on one axis and 900 on another. Thats a lot of power for anything to hold. There is a reason most big dishes are mounted to a tower near the guy wires on a guyed tower. For another example look at the picture on this wikipedia article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_broadband Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 3:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: on our 4' dish we had planned on using angle iron vertically in one corner of the tray with struts going down to the two corners left and right for attaching the stabilizer if we needed it On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I am looking to mount a 6' dish on a 10' tall mast (4 1/2 OD) at the top of the mast with something like this: https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=504727 Using a Cinderblock tray as the base. My question is, would this work? And how would I keep the dish from twisting on the mast? Sam -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com/ -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Guy wires and signal issuws
when we asked about this on our licensed link we were told probably not, but that it potentially could, dependent on size, distance, etc about a railing. But it was pointed out that at that kind of investment is it worth potentially having unfix-able issues over something fairly trivial like a couple feet where optional. Ours was on a mast, so we went with a taller mast plan and more ballast per the spec sheet. On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I have shot right into them before and dont seem to have enough issue with it to notice a problem. Craig -- *From: *Darin Steffl darin.ste...@mnwifi.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, June 1, 2015 6:08:08 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Guy wires and signal issuws If any of you have backhaul on guyed towers, will the wires ever affect the signal strength on licensed or unlicensed paths? I'm just wondering how much signal we lose if the guy wire is in our wireless path out and if it being closer to the antenna makes it worse than if the wire is further out. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a 6 foot dish on a Non Pen.
Also keep in mind there is a difference between a 6 ft dish at 6 GHz and a 6 ft dish at 11 or 18 GHz which will not tolerate any twisting of the tower/mast. Although I had an 11 GHz 3 ft dish and a 5 GHz 3 ft backup on a tower that had additional guy wires added and all the guy wires re-tensioned, and both dishes took big hits in signal until they were re-aimed. If they had been 6 ft dishes, the links might have completely dropped. From: Erich Kaiser Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 8:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting a 6 foot dish on a Non Pen. Rohn 25 would not work, you would be better off with 4.5 15ft pipe non-pen and a separate non-pen for stiff arm, it would need to be angled toward the weight of the non-pen. I have a non-pen with 15ft 4.5 pipe, just cant remember brand name at this moment. Are you mounting on a roof or anywhere near a wall? Even some angle iron would work as a stiff arm. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm the tower idea is a not bad. I have a ROHN 25 sitting in the back. I could make a sled for it. Would a 25 work? Or is it too flimsy? On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Justin Wilson - MTIN li...@mtin.net wrote: You need an actual 10 foot tower. You could engineer that to be non penetrating. The dish needs a stabilizer arm to tie back to something. Otherwise you will be visiting it often. If it’s licensed a 1 degree movement could mean the difference between a -60 and a -70. You could do something like the attached, but those are 4 foot dishes. 80 mph is roughly is somewhere around 700 foot pounds of torque on one axis and 900 on another. Thats a lot of power for anything to hold. There is a reason most big dishes are mounted to a tower near the guy wires on a guyed tower. For another example look at the picture on this wikipedia article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_broadband Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange On Jun 1, 2015, at 3:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: on our 4' dish we had planned on using angle iron vertically in one corner of the tray with struts going down to the two corners left and right for attaching the stabilizer if we needed it On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all, I am looking to mount a 6' dish on a 10' tall mast (4 1/2 OD) at the top of the mast with something like this: https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=504727 Using a Cinderblock tray as the base. My question is, would this work? And how would I keep the dish from twisting on the mast? Sam -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
