Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

[Stefan Englhardt]

We are still laughing on this joke. A cracy hotel manager tries to promote his 
hotels and tells rediculous things to be heard. With every day he tells more 
senseless hurting stuff. At the end he is president.
What was the Regisseur of this 3rd class remake. 
Come on guys how deep is deep enough?

 Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
Von: Jaime Solorza  
Datum: 10.11.2016  06:31  (GMT+01:00) 
An: Animal Farm  
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] this thing on? 

Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

[Josh Reynolds]

Jaime es un mal hombre, pero en el buen sentido!

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:31 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> I am a peaceful man... I wouldn't hurt a fly... Good night ...remember I am
> not illegal,  I am your amigo...
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
>>
>> everybody is afraid that bad hombre jaime is going to cut us with his boot
>> knife so we are laying low
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No emails from the list today. I would have thought I would see something
>>> about politics.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental

[Jaime Solorza]

Reboot particular AP or all 34 or client device?

On Nov 9, 2016 8:31 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> We just did a hotel with Xirrus, 150 rooms, 3 floors.  Put in about 34
> radios.  After figuring out some quirks with Apple devices the first week
> (dhcp timing problems), we barely get 1 customer call about every 3-4
> weeks.  We tell them to reboot, problem solved.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:05 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental
>
>
>
> Xirrus kicks butt in high density scenarios
>
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 1:06 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> Nate, I've got a lot of Xirrus equipment I can rent to you.  They are
> designed specifically for these type of environments.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:48 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental
>
> I'm looking at a project where I would need to (temporarily) provide Wifi
> to about 350 devices in an indoor open 150'x60' area.  There is a good
> chance that all devices will be in use simultaneously, probably streaming
> video (Both live TV and Netflix/youtube). Backhaul to the location is not
> an issue, but I'm looking for opinions on number of AP's needed, and
> recommended manufacturers. I'm guessing many AP's running at low power.
> Ap's would be all ceiling mount, 18' above the floor.
>
> Follow up question, does anybody do equipment rental these days? From
> Install to De Install would be about a Month.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

[Jaime Solorza]

I am a peaceful man... I wouldn't hurt a fly... Good night ...remember I am
not illegal,  I am your amigo...

On Nov 9, 2016 8:56 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> everybody is afraid that bad hombre jaime is going to cut us with his boot
> knife so we are laying low
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
>
>> No emails from the list today. I would have thought I would see something
>> about politics.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

[George Skorup]

So it's not over yet? OK, I stay in basement.

On 11/9/2016 9:56 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
everybody is afraid that bad hombre jaime is going to cut us with his 
boot knife so we are laying low


On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:


No emails from the list today. I would have thought I would see
something about politics.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

[Jay Weekley]

For a second I thought you were serious.  I'm kind of gullible.

Brandon Yuchasz wrote:


No emails from the list today. I would have thought I would see 
something about politics.

Re: [AFMUG] this thing on?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

everybody is afraid that bad hombre jaime is going to cut us with his boot
knife so we are laying low

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:46 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> No emails from the list today. I would have thought I would see something
> about politics.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] roku essid

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, they seem to... I  don't know what exactly they're doing, but if you
change the router channel, these things always follow.

On Nov 9, 2016 9:38 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Are they both channel 1? SSID?  If so I would say yes.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:18 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> are these things somehow both an AP and a Client, like functioning as a
>> repeater?
>>
>>
>> AC:3A:7A:A6:92:A9 - - -66 -93 52 / 65 95 08:33:20 192.168.1.110 kick THIS
>> IS IN THE CLIENT LIST
>>
>>
>> AC:3A:7A:A6:92:AB 802.11n WPA2 -66 / -93 2.412 / 1 THIS IS IN THE SITE
>> SURVEY ON THE WIRELESS
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] roku essid

[Seth Mattinen]

On 11/9/16 7:18 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

are these things somehow both an AP and a Client, like functioning as a
repeater?


AC:3A:7A:A6:92:A9 - - -66 -93 52 / 65 95 08:33:20 192.168.1.110 kick
THIS IS IN THE CLIENT LIST


AC:3A:7A:A6:92:AB 802.11n WPA2 -66 / -93 2.412 / 1 THIS IS IN THE SITE
SURVEY ON THE WIRELESS




Yeah, the wireless remote uses wifi direct. It'll follow whatever 
channel it's using for internet wifi.


~Seth

[AFMUG] this thing on?

[Brandon Yuchasz]

No emails from the list today. I would have thought I would see something
about politics.

Re: [AFMUG] roku essid

[Josh Luthman]

Are they both channel 1? SSID?  If so I would say yes.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:18 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> are these things somehow both an AP and a Client, like functioning as a
> repeater?
>
>
> AC:3A:7A:A6:92:A9 - - -66 -93 52 / 65 95 08:33:20 192.168.1.110 kick THIS
> IS IN THE CLIENT LIST
>
>
> AC:3A:7A:A6:92:AB 802.11n WPA2 -66 / -93 2.412 / 1 THIS IS IN THE SITE
> SURVEY ON THE WIRELESS
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental

[Rory Conaway]

We just did a hotel with Xirrus, 150 rooms, 3 floors.  Put in about 34 radios.  
After figuring out some quirks with Apple devices the first week (dhcp timing 
problems), we barely get 1 customer call about every 3-4 weeks.  We tell them 
to reboot, problem solved.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:05 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental


Xirrus kicks butt in high density scenarios

On Nov 9, 2016 1:06 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
> wrote:
Nate, I've got a lot of Xirrus equipment I can rent to you.  They are designed 
specifically for these type of environments.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:48 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental

I'm looking at a project where I would need to (temporarily) provide Wifi to 
about 350 devices in an indoor open 150'x60' area.  There is a good chance that 
all devices will be in use simultaneously, probably streaming video (Both live 
TV and Netflix/youtube). Backhaul to the location is not an issue, but I'm 
looking for opinions on number of AP's needed, and recommended manufacturers. 
I'm guessing many AP's running at low power.  Ap's would be all ceiling mount, 
18' above the floor.

Follow up question, does anybody do equipment rental these days? From Install 
to De Install would be about a Month.

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

talk to CTI and work out a vendor trade for some marketing for them if the
event is related to any of the loot they sell, or if the visitors are
potential owners of locations that would need a ruckus solution, like
schools, hotels, multisite offices, etc. Do a white paper case study. Ive
only dealt with ruckus a little, but its way more intuitive that the
moto/cambium wlan stuff was

or talk to WISPA, see if they can get into the hardware rental game for
members since temporary high volume wifi is a common request

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:05 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Xirrus kicks butt in high density scenarios
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 1:06 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
>> Nate, I've got a lot of Xirrus equipment I can rent to you.  They are
>> designed specifically for these type of environments.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:48 AM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental
>>
>> I'm looking at a project where I would need to (temporarily) provide Wifi
>> to about 350 devices in an indoor open 150'x60' area.  There is a good
>> chance that all devices will be in use simultaneously, probably streaming
>> video (Both live TV and Netflix/youtube). Backhaul to the location is not
>> an issue, but I'm looking for opinions on number of AP's needed, and
>> recommended manufacturers. I'm guessing many AP's running at low power.
>> Ap's would be all ceiling mount, 18' above the floor.
>>
>> Follow up question, does anybody do equipment rental these days? From
>> Install to De Install would be about a Month.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] roku essid

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

are these things somehow both an AP and a Client, like functioning as a
repeater?


AC:3A:7A:A6:92:A9 - - -66 -93 52 / 65 95 08:33:20 192.168.1.110 kick THIS
IS IN THE CLIENT LIST


AC:3A:7A:A6:92:AB 802.11n WPA2 -66 / -93 2.412 / 1 THIS IS IN THE SITE
SURVEY ON THE WIRELESS

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental

[Jaime Solorza]

Xirrus kicks butt in high density scenarios

On Nov 9, 2016 1:06 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Nate, I've got a lot of Xirrus equipment I can rent to you.  They are
> designed specifically for these type of environments.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:48 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental
>
> I'm looking at a project where I would need to (temporarily) provide Wifi
> to about 350 devices in an indoor open 150'x60' area.  There is a good
> chance that all devices will be in use simultaneously, probably streaming
> video (Both live TV and Netflix/youtube). Backhaul to the location is not
> an issue, but I'm looking for opinions on number of AP's needed, and
> recommended manufacturers. I'm guessing many AP's running at low power.
> Ap's would be all ceiling mount, 18' above the floor.
>
> Follow up question, does anybody do equipment rental these days? From
> Install to De Install would be about a Month.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Multiple Routers At Small POPs?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I wish I was as smart as you guys, my head would hurt less

On Nov 9, 2016 7:04 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> We do this currently.
>
>
>
> There are two MPLS routers with VPLS ports each connected to a switch bank
> for redundancy.
>
>
>
> VPLS performance on Mikrotik is lacking though at above 1Gbps range, so
> I’m reverting most my network back to just plain VRRP between two routers
> and OSPF ring back to the sources.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 5:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Multiple Routers At Small POPs?
>
>
>
> This is a fairly common configuration. Well, I don't know about 3, but
> definitely 2 routers. It gives you redundancy, allows you to perform in
> place hardware and software upgrades, etc.
>
> Another common design is multiple switches and routers at a site. On the
> "lan" side there are 2 switches, crosslinked to two routers. The routers
> run vrrp between them - boom, instant first hop redundancy. On the "wan
> side" you've got two switches with crosslinks and ospf between the routers.
>
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 5:17 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
> wrote:
>
> Early in my network design, I decided to have multiple routers at each POP
> (normally 3 MikroTiks in a triangle configuration, using RB750UP where
> power was needed). The goal was to improve reliability by having critical
> links come into different routers, allowing site access if any router
> actually failed. The system is setup with OSPF and MPLS routing between
> them. I only ever installed 3 routers at one location, though (other site
> have only 1 or 2 MikroTik routers).
>
>
>
> It has been 2 years now, and everything has worked great at the 1, 2, and
> 3 router sites. The use of the RB750UP routers has allowed for remote
> rebooting when necessary, and I have not had a single router failure. I'm
> working on a revision to the design, and I'd like to know if anyone else
> intentionally runs multiple routers like this. Any practical benefits to
> running multiple PoE routers vs running a single router and a single PoE
> switch?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ganja

[Paul Stewart]

quality of software started slipping a long time ago …. 


> On Nov 9, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> Chill dude... Take another hit and relax
> 
> 
> On Nov 9, 2016 9:16 AM, > wrote:
> Now you can legally smoke out in CA without faking a medical condition.  
> Congrats, the West Coast of the USA is now unified!  I wonder if this will 
> have a negative impact on the quality of software. 

Re: [AFMUG] Ganja

[Jaime Solorza]

Chill dude... Take another hit and relax

On Nov 9, 2016 9:16 AM,  wrote:

> Now you can legally smoke out in CA without faking a medical condition.
> Congrats, the West Coast of the USA is now unified!  I wonder if this will
> have a negative impact on the quality of software.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Multiple Routers At Small POPs?

[Sterling Jacobson]

We do this currently.

There are two MPLS routers with VPLS ports each connected to a switch bank for 
redundancy.

VPLS performance on Mikrotik is lacking though at above 1Gbps range, so I’m 
reverting most my network back to just plain VRRP between two routers and OSPF 
ring back to the sources.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 5:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Multiple Routers At Small POPs?


This is a fairly common configuration. Well, I don't know about 3, but 
definitely 2 routers. It gives you redundancy, allows you to perform in place 
hardware and software upgrades, etc.

Another common design is multiple switches and routers at a site. On the "lan" 
side there are 2 switches, crosslinked to two routers. The routers run vrrp 
between them - boom, instant first hop redundancy. On the "wan side" you've got 
two switches with crosslinks and ospf between the routers.

On Nov 9, 2016 5:17 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
> wrote:
Early in my network design, I decided to have multiple routers at each POP 
(normally 3 MikroTiks in a triangle configuration, using RB750UP where power 
was needed). The goal was to improve reliability by having critical links come 
into different routers, allowing site access if any router actually failed. The 
system is setup with OSPF and MPLS routing between them. I only ever installed 
3 routers at one location, though (other site have only 1 or 2 MikroTik 
routers).

It has been 2 years now, and everything has worked great at the 1, 2, and 3 
router sites. The use of the RB750UP routers has allowed for remote rebooting 
when necessary, and I have not had a single router failure. I'm working on a 
revision to the design, and I'd like to know if anyone else intentionally runs 
multiple routers like this. Any practical benefits to running multiple PoE 
routers vs running a single router and a single PoE switch?

Re: [AFMUG] Multiple Routers At Small POPs?

[Josh Reynolds]

This is a fairly common configuration. Well, I don't know about 3, but
definitely 2 routers. It gives you redundancy, allows you to perform in
place hardware and software upgrades, etc.

Another common design is multiple switches and routers at a site. On the
"lan" side there are 2 switches, crosslinked to two routers. The routers
run vrrp between them - boom, instant first hop redundancy. On the "wan
side" you've got two switches with crosslinks and ospf between the routers.

On Nov 9, 2016 5:17 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> Early in my network design, I decided to have multiple routers at each POP
> (normally 3 MikroTiks in a triangle configuration, using RB750UP where
> power was needed). The goal was to improve reliability by having critical
> links come into different routers, allowing site access if any router
> actually failed. The system is setup with OSPF and MPLS routing between
> them. I only ever installed 3 routers at one location, though (other site
> have only 1 or 2 MikroTik routers).
>
> It has been 2 years now, and everything has worked great at the 1, 2, and
> 3 router sites. The use of the RB750UP routers has allowed for remote
> rebooting when necessary, and I have not had a single router failure. I'm
> working on a revision to the design, and I'd like to know if anyone else
> intentionally runs multiple routers like this. Any practical benefits to
> running multiple PoE routers vs running a single router and a single PoE
> switch?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ganja

[chuck]

AnimalFarm in Wendover?

From: Keefe John 
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ganja

Nevada too.� Wispapalooza 2017!




On 11/9/2016 10:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Now you can legally smoke out in CA without faking a medical condition.� 
Congrats, the West Coast of the USA is now unified!� I wonder if this will 
have a negative impact on the quality of software.� 

Re: [AFMUG] Multiple Routers At Small POPs?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

The rb1100ahx2 has a failover bond on two of the ports so it becomes a
coupler. I would think you could do something with that in a single unit
solution, I don't know what you would gain over what you have though

On Nov 9, 2016 5:17 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

Early in my network design, I decided to have multiple routers at each POP
(normally 3 MikroTiks in a triangle configuration, using RB750UP where
power was needed). The goal was to improve reliability by having critical
links come into different routers, allowing site access if any router
actually failed. The system is setup with OSPF and MPLS routing between
them. I only ever installed 3 routers at one location, though (other site
have only 1 or 2 MikroTik routers).

It has been 2 years now, and everything has worked great at the 1, 2, and 3
router sites. The use of the RB750UP routers has allowed for remote
rebooting when necessary, and I have not had a single router failure. I'm
working on a revision to the design, and I'd like to know if anyone else
intentionally runs multiple routers like this. Any practical benefits to
running multiple PoE routers vs running a single router and a single PoE
switch?

[AFMUG] Multiple Routers At Small POPs?

[Christopher Gray]

Early in my network design, I decided to have multiple routers at each POP
(normally 3 MikroTiks in a triangle configuration, using RB750UP where
power was needed). The goal was to improve reliability by having critical
links come into different routers, allowing site access if any router
actually failed. The system is setup with OSPF and MPLS routing between
them. I only ever installed 3 routers at one location, though (other site
have only 1 or 2 MikroTik routers).

It has been 2 years now, and everything has worked great at the 1, 2, and 3
router sites. The use of the RB750UP routers has allowed for remote
rebooting when necessary, and I have not had a single router failure. I'm
working on a revision to the design, and I'd like to know if anyone else
intentionally runs multiple routers like this. Any practical benefits to
running multiple PoE routers vs running a single router and a single PoE
switch?

Re: [AFMUG] Vote

[Bill Prince]

I've seen what ranked choice did in Oakland, CA where the two "best" 
candidates split the vote, and a third not-so-good candidate appeared as 
#2 in a majority of votes. The #3 got elected, and it was a difficult 4 
years.


I prefer the "top 2" primary voting method that was instituted a couple 
years ago in CA. I would like it better if it was a "top 3", but I think 
it's had the intended effect. It has encouraged more candidates to move 
more to the middle instead of pandering to the extremes at either end.



bp


On 11/9/2016 2:38 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:


I firmly believe that having ranked choice voting  in place would 
encourage more people to pay attention to all of their choices.  
Because the system empowers voters to be able to choose the candidates 
they actually want without the risk of splitting the vote between 
similar candidates, I believe people would spend a bit more time 
becoming aware of their choices instead of picking the one they hate 
the most then voting for the other one.


Two examples in this cycle are Johnson and Sanders. I believe that the 
libertarian views that Johnson represented is shared large chunk of 
the population.  I also believe that a lot of the views that Sanders 
has has fairly wide appeal as well. Who knows if either would have 
been elected,  but I know of a lot of people where one of those two 
would have been their first choice.



On Nov 9, 2016 4:11 PM, "Rory Conaway" > wrote:


The problem with the popular vote though, kind of comes back to
what Jefferson said,

"Convinced that the people are the only safe depositories of their
own liberty, and that they are not safe unless enlightened to a
certain degree, I have looked on our present state of liberty as a
short-lived possession unless the mass of the people could be
informed to a certain degree." --Thomas Jefferson to Littleton
Waller Tazewell, 1805.

90% of the people in the country really don’t have an intelligent
grasp of the issues and don’t have the critical thinking skills or
the morals/ethics to do the right thing.  Just look at any man on
the street interviews by both sides.  They are lucky to find one
person who can even recognize a picture of the vice-president or
have any clue who stands on what side of an issue.

I’m for keeping the electoral college until that gets fixed and we
can guarantee clean elections.  Terry McAuliffe giving 60,000
felons the right to vote days before an election and Barack Obama
going on national TV telling illegal aliens to vote and there will
be no repercussions doesn’t give me confidence that the popular
vote is a good idea yet.  Not when one party is willing to break
the law to win.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:00 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vote

Agreed. Hillary is up 160k with 98% reporting. Around 6 million
third party votes...

On Nov 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Travis Johnson" > wrote:

This election is a perfect example of why the whole Electoral vote
should be gone. I have been talking about this very issue for over
20 years, and this election is a prime example of a flawed system.

I was a Trump supporter, like it or not. I was ready for a change,
and could not stomach the thought of Hillary being the President.
However, if the vote was actually based on the popular vote count,
Hillary would be our new President.

It's amazing how our political system has become so screwed up
over the last 200 years. I am both excited and scared for the next
four years.

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Jaime Solorza]

I was joking...

On Nov 9, 2016 3:28 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 2:24 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> . No different if I said you guys have no rhythm or small cock's ...
>>
> Hey, I resemble that remark.
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 8:59 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>>
>> Can't respond at moment Sam and Paul... Salient points you bring up and
>> will give me perspective.. .getting certification on another camera system
>> family.  A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 8:37 AM, "Sam Morris"  wrote:
>>
>> You do know the only party that ever created camps and interred Americans
>> was the Democrats, right? And that Carter postponed Muslim immigration
>>
>> How soon people forget. :)
>>
>>
>> On 11/9/2016 8:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture terrorist
>> is not racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house Muslims is not
>> racist?  That's how NAZI party got started.. But of course since we
>> don't teach history anymore without editing to make us angelic and
>> perfect how would the uneducated male who helped him win know... Not
>> that they give a shit..
>>
>> Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in
>> sweatshops out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating on wife
>> and children, is not an issue.   What a crock of shit... I weep for our
>> country...
>>
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett" > > wrote:
>>
>> Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration.
>> Those that did not come here legally or have a difficult time
>> discerning legal from illegal immigration ignorantly label the
>> former group as racist.
>>
>> US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a long
>> and difficult process. Those that work for it hate those going for
>> the shortcut.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>> twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" > >
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>>
>> I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I
>> guess. Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia
>> deal. Mauve I am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code
>> language" or whatever.
>>
>> I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our
>> Latino friends think about this?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza
>> > wrote:
>>
>> And Putin is happy.  Wow
>>
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the
>> 1930s and let's Make America White Again theme brought out
>> vote for him.   Many of these rural voters want the country
>> to go 50 years... That's the saddest part.. Time will be the
>> judge... I think the world skipped a beat.Right Wing
>> radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves...
>> And make your own tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor.
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett" > > wrote:
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > 

Re: [AFMUG] Vote

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I firmly believe that having ranked choice voting  in place would encourage
more people to pay attention to all of their choices.  Because the system
empowers voters to be able to choose the candidates they actually want
without the risk of splitting the vote between similar candidates, I
believe people would spend a bit more time becoming aware of their choices
instead of picking the one they hate the most then voting for the other one.

Two examples in this cycle are Johnson and Sanders.  I believe that the
libertarian views that Johnson represented is shared large chunk of the
population.  I also believe that a lot of the views that Sanders has has
fairly wide appeal as well.   Who knows if either would have been elected,
but I know of a lot of people where one of those two would have been their
first choice.

On Nov 9, 2016 4:11 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> The problem with the popular vote though, kind of comes back to what
> Jefferson said,
>
> "Convinced that the people are the only safe depositories of their own
> liberty, and that they are not safe unless enlightened to a certain degree,
> I have looked on our present state of liberty as a short-lived possession
> unless the mass of the people could be informed to a certain degree."
> --Thomas Jefferson to Littleton Waller Tazewell, 1805.
>
>
>
> 90% of the people in the country really don’t have an intelligent grasp of
> the issues and don’t have the critical thinking skills or the morals/ethics
> to do the right thing.  Just look at any man on the street interviews by
> both sides.  They are lucky to find one person who can even recognize a
> picture of the vice-president or have any clue who stands on what side of
> an issue.
>
>
>
> I’m for keeping the electoral college until that gets fixed and we can
> guarantee clean elections.  Terry McAuliffe giving 60,000 felons the right
> to vote days before an election and Barack Obama going on national TV
> telling illegal aliens to vote and there will be no repercussions doesn’t
> give me confidence that the popular vote is a good idea yet.  Not when one
> party is willing to break the law to win.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:00 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vote
>
>
>
> Agreed. Hillary is up 160k with 98% reporting. Around 6 million third
> party votes...
>
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:
>
> This election is a perfect example of why the whole Electoral vote should
> be gone. I have been talking about this very issue for over 20 years, and
> this election is a prime example of a flawed system.
>
> I was a Trump supporter, like it or not. I was ready for a change, and
> could not stomach the thought of Hillary being the President. However, if
> the vote was actually based on the popular vote count, Hillary would be our
> new President.
>
> It's amazing how our political system has become so screwed up over the
> last 200 years. I am both excited and scared for the next four years.
>
> Travis
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Lewis Bergman]

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 2:24 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> . No different if I said you guys have no rhythm or small cock's ...
>
Hey, I resemble that remark.

On Nov 9, 2016 8:59 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
> Can't respond at moment Sam and Paul... Salient points you bring up and
> will give me perspective.. .getting certification on another camera system
> family.  A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 8:37 AM, "Sam Morris"  wrote:
>
> You do know the only party that ever created camps and interred Americans
> was the Democrats, right? And that Carter postponed Muslim immigration
>
> How soon people forget. :)
>
>
> On 11/9/2016 8:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture terrorist
> is not racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house Muslims is not
> racist?  That's how NAZI party got started.. But of course since we
> don't teach history anymore without editing to make us angelic and
> perfect how would the uneducated male who helped him win know... Not
> that they give a shit..
>
> Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in
> sweatshops out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating on wife
> and children, is not an issue.   What a crock of shit... I weep for our
> country...
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:
>
> Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration.
> Those that did not come here legally or have a difficult time
> discerning legal from illegal immigration ignorantly label the
> former group as racist.
>
> US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a long
> and difficult process. Those that work for it hate those going for
> the shortcut.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> <
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> <
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>
> 
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman"  >
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>
> I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I
> guess. Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia
> deal. Mauve I am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code
> language" or whatever.
>
> I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our
> Latino friends think about this?
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza
> > wrote:
>
> And Putin is happy.  Wow
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
> >
> wrote:
>
> The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the
> 1930s and let's Make America White Again theme brought out
> vote for him.   Many of these rural voters want the country
> to go 50 years... That's the saddest part.. Time will be the
> judge... I think the world skipped a beat.Right Wing
> radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves...
> And make your own tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor.
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:
>
> Huh?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> <
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> <
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><
> https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Design Collaboration Software

[Lewis Bergman]

Or had all kinds of design elements in it like routers and switches. The
collaboration features are pretty neat for a project. You can share our
with customers,engineers,sales. Make your objects. They will do a demo for
you or I can do a bit worse off a job for you of showing you the basics.
Stores docs etc.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 3:22 PM Christopher Gray 
wrote:

> Is this specific to radio networks, or would it work for general
> engineering design projects?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> We use something called Teldio D3M.
> http://www.teldio.com/products/d3m
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 5:42 PM Christopher Gray 
> wrote:
>
> I'm working on a design project that would benefit from some decent design
> collaboration software [since it will be done remotely]. I'm picturing
> something open source that I can run on my own server, but I'm open to any
> good options.
>
> I'm specifically looking for some collaboration tool allowing for ongoing
> conversation about design decisions and revision, and the capability for
> document storage and revision management. Office document collaboration
> would be a plus, but not a necessity.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Design Collaboration Software

[Christopher Gray]

Is this specific to radio networks, or would it work for general
engineering design projects?



On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> We use something called Teldio D3M.
> http://www.teldio.com/products/d3m
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 5:42 PM Christopher Gray 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm working on a design project that would benefit from some decent
>> design collaboration software [since it will be done remotely]. I'm
>> picturing something open source that I can run on my own server, but I'm
>> open to any good options.
>>
>> I'm specifically looking for some collaboration tool allowing for ongoing
>> conversation about design decisions and revision, and the capability for
>> document storage and revision management. Office document collaboration
>> would be a plus, but not a necessity.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Jaime Solorza]

So some smart guys are setting up for building the wall Getting cement
prices, rebar,  tools, back hoes, workers, etc They are all on the
Mexican side ...they figure no one of this side wants to work for peanuts
in the desert heat and sun I am trying to find the link.  Tongue in
cheek

On Nov 9, 2016 1:24 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Looking at hot chic is one thing..  Touching and having affair is
> another... Let me be clear... I have never advocated open border... I know
> the law... But the broad paint brush he used to put us all in that basket..
> No different if I said you guys have no rhythm or small cock's
> ...stereotyping.. Don't care how you cut... It's offensive... I was going
> to write on exploration versus persecution... How Spaniards and Portuguese
> were looking for new trade routes and Pilgrims looking for place to
> practice their religion freely How regardless of reasons it destroyed
> many cultures... And the ramifications of all this into the current
> feelings from isolationists... But I am tired of this already... Let's
> agree that we disagree.   You will never convince that Trump is someone you
> would trust alone with your daughters or wives.   So here go Hold on
> tight...
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 8:59 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
>> Can't respond at moment Sam and Paul... Salient points you bring up and
>> will give me perspective.. .getting certification on another camera system
>> family.  A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 8:37 AM, "Sam Morris"  wrote:
>>
>>> You do know the only party that ever created camps and interred
>>> Americans was the Democrats, right? And that Carter postponed Muslim
>>> immigration
>>>
>>> How soon people forget. :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/9/2016 8:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
 So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture terrorist
 is not racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house Muslims is not
 racist?  That's how NAZI party got started.. But of course since we
 don't teach history anymore without editing to make us angelic and
 perfect how would the uneducated male who helped him win know... Not
 that they give a shit..

 Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in
 sweatshops out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating on wife
 and children, is not an issue.   What a crock of shit... I weep for our
 country...


 On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:

 Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration.
 Those that did not come here legally or have a difficult time
 discerning legal from illegal immigration ignorantly label the
 former group as racist.

 US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a long
 and difficult process. Those that work for it hate those going for
 the shortcut.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 
 
 *From: *"Lewis Bergman" >
 *To: *af@afmug.com 
 *Sent: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

 I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I
 guess. Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia
 deal. Mauve I am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code
 language" or whatever.

 I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our
 Latino friends think about this?


 On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza
 >
 wrote:

 And Putin is happy.  Wow


 On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
 >
 wrote:

 The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Cameron Crum]

And that was the left doing it.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Dan Petermann  wrote:

> "The left has been way over dramatic putting visions of children crying
> while jackbooted thugs kick their door in and drag papa off to the gulag. "
>
> You mean like this:
>
> Except in this case it was the kid they dragged off.
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2016, at 11:09 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A public works project is a great opportunity to get people working. I
> would dig it if the current illegals were afforded an option to stay if
> they participate in the construction if they meet the criteria for entry in
> the first place. Not citizenship or amnesty, but no trip back to mexico,
> they still would be in the same place in line as they would if they came
> through legally, they just dont have to wait in mexico.
>
> The left has been way over dramatic putting visions of children crying
> while jackbooted thugs kick their door in and drag papa off to the gulag.
> They forget that these people are forced to live in the shadows and accept
> second class status, no matter how much they have to offer they hit a wall
> (mental wall that didnt stop them). Obama has been deporting them at a fast
> clip, nobody faults him for tearing families apart.
>
> get the wall built, streamline entry. Clinton said we can support 600,000
> syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent today of the undocumented population
> we could migrate into citizens...today
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> A mental wall would be cheaper, and probably just as effective.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 11/9/2016 9:48 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
>>
>> A traditional “wall” would stop nothing.  I heard ideas such as 10 feet
>> down, 40 feet high, layered, electric barbed wire, integrated cameras into
>> the block wall, AND the people detectors.  Something sophisticated,
>> designed up from the ground up, with purpose.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would think freezing out anybody unknown until they spend the 3 to 6
>> months of late nights grinding out a plan is more practical.  The question
>> got brought into the new biggest group that we are not just letting in, we
>> are ushering them in from Syria as though they all are capable of working
>> at Disney World tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:34 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Logistics
>>
>>
>>
>> A wall is impractical.  Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord.  The wall
>> stops nothing.  People detectors are much more practical.  Give the list
>> members a billion dollars and we will have a string of motion sensors and
>> cameras that will get ‘er done.
>>
>>
>>
>> Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is so
>> far impossible.  We will need some really functional MRI technology and
>> perhaps some synapse decoding before that will become possible.
>>
>>
>>
>> And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them out.
>> No I look Arab but I am a Christian...  Can’t vet that.
>>
>>
>>
>> But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in just
>> a few days, so there’s that
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Paul McCall
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>>
>>
>>
>> Jaime,
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere
>> in your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his statements
>> was highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.  Instead of
>> listening for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took
>> great liberties to distort for a story line to support their ratings and
>> liberal agenda.
>>
>>
>>
>> In now particular order…
>>
>>
>>
>> There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come
>> into this county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or
>> law.  There is a policy to apply for legal immigration.
>>
>>
>>
>> #1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US has a
>> right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be
>> a good fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right)
>> to protect itself now and in the future.  The US has given up on that for
>> way too long and is a very dangerous position because of the relatively
>> small % of “bad apples” that have let in completely unchecked.  The is
>> almost no vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes
>> into the country.
>>
>>
>>
>> That being said…
>>
>> The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who
>> these people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a
>> wise move.  He never said permanently. I have 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Jaime Solorza]

Looking at hot chic is one thing..  Touching and having affair is
another... Let me be clear... I have never advocated open border... I know
the law... But the broad paint brush he used to put us all in that basket..
No different if I said you guys have no rhythm or small cock's
...stereotyping.. Don't care how you cut... It's offensive... I was going
to write on exploration versus persecution... How Spaniards and Portuguese
were looking for new trade routes and Pilgrims looking for place to
practice their religion freely How regardless of reasons it destroyed
many cultures... And the ramifications of all this into the current
feelings from isolationists... But I am tired of this already... Let's
agree that we disagree.   You will never convince that Trump is someone you
would trust alone with your daughters or wives.   So here go Hold on
tight...

On Nov 9, 2016 8:59 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Can't respond at moment Sam and Paul... Salient points you bring up and
> will give me perspective.. .getting certification on another camera system
> family.  A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 8:37 AM, "Sam Morris"  wrote:
>
>> You do know the only party that ever created camps and interred Americans
>> was the Democrats, right? And that Carter postponed Muslim immigration
>>
>> How soon people forget. :)
>>
>>
>> On 11/9/2016 8:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>>> So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture terrorist
>>> is not racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house Muslims is not
>>> racist?  That's how NAZI party got started.. But of course since we
>>> don't teach history anymore without editing to make us angelic and
>>> perfect how would the uneducated male who helped him win know... Not
>>> that they give a shit..
>>>
>>> Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in
>>> sweatshops out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating on wife
>>> and children, is not an issue.   What a crock of shit... I weep for our
>>> country...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration.
>>> Those that did not come here legally or have a difficult time
>>> discerning legal from illegal immigration ignorantly label the
>>> former group as racist.
>>>
>>> US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a long
>>> and difficult process. Those that work for it hate those going for
>>> the shortcut.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> >> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> >> /company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" >> >
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>>>
>>> I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I
>>> guess. Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia
>>> deal. Mauve I am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code
>>> language" or whatever.
>>>
>>> I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our
>>> Latino friends think about this?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> And Putin is happy.  Wow
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the
>>> 1930s and let's Make America White Again theme brought out
>>> vote for him.   Many of these rural voters want the country
>>> to go 50 years... That's the saddest part.. Time will be the
>>> judge... I think the world skipped a beat.Right Wing
>>> radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves...
>>> And make your own tamales.. They will be bland with no
>>> flavor.
>>>
>>> On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Wireless Administrator]

If he gets even half the things on his platform done, he will be the greatest 
president ever to hold office.

 

I’m with HIM!

 

# Drain the Swamp

 

I just ordered the T-Shirt.

 

Steve B.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 8:24 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

 

And Putin is happy.  Wow

 

On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the  1930s and let's Make 
America White Again theme brought out vote for him.   Many of these rural 
voters want the country to go 50 years... That's the saddest part.. Time will 
be the judge... I think the world skipped a beat.Right Wing radioheads and 
KKK guys probably came all over themselves... And make your own tamales.. They 
will be bland with no flavor.   

 

On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Huh?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

Proves one thing... We are NOT united states

 

On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know over the 
devil you do.

 

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless 

 

On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:

oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal and 
walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving the door 
open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do another 180. 
This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the reality sets in 
that they may have really fu**ed up

 

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the right. 
Is populist = = bad? Maybe not.

 

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:

Somebody mentioned on the news that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't
running on a platform of unifying our country.. he wasn't a unity
candidate. This is going to have very, very deep consequences across
the board for our country."



On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 wrote:
> they skewed their models hoping the hive mind of the public would vote for
> their candidate. they overvalued their influence and undervalued the
> internets reach.
> The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never trumpers days are numbers, their
> constituents have spoken. America is a better place without it.
>
> Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more an independent than anything hes
> so across the board on the major issues. He could have run an independent
> race but would have just split the right. Even if she pulls a last minute
> hail mary and wins it, this is a win for the long term of our governance.
> Bernie broke the democrats, they just dont know it, 2020 is going to be a
> hell of a race
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> If a Democrat were to have won this Presidency, it would have been the
>> first 3 consecutive terms since that happened beyond the middle of the
>> century. The polling people are freaking out, as all of their modeling has
>> been quite far off. This has been MUCH closer than any of them expected.
>>
>> Recreational and medical marijuana is growing as well.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> They called Wisconsin for Trump A Republican hasn't won here since
>>> 1984
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

 Dow futures down near 700 points. GOP commentator on the tv is saying
 "The party of Regan is dead. The GOP had become an empty vessel, and it was
 filled up with Trumpish. NATO partners are nervous. We really don't know
 what Trump's policies would be if elected as President".

 This is a fascinating election.

 On Tue, Nov 8, 

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon repairs

[Josh Luthman]

PDMnet maybe?  SWG possibly?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Could anybody repair a Ceragon IP10c (all outdoor model) with dead
> ethernet ports?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental

[Rory Conaway]

Nate, I've got a lot of Xirrus equipment I can rent to you.  They are designed 
specifically for these type of environments.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:48 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental

I'm looking at a project where I would need to (temporarily) provide Wifi to 
about 350 devices in an indoor open 150'x60' area.  There is a good chance that 
all devices will be in use simultaneously, probably streaming video (Both live 
TV and Netflix/youtube). Backhaul to the location is not an issue, but I'm 
looking for opinions on number of AP's needed, and recommended manufacturers. 
I'm guessing many AP's running at low power.  Ap's would be all ceiling mount, 
18' above the floor.

Follow up question, does anybody do equipment rental these days? From Install 
to De Install would be about a Month.

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Plans $21M Fine for Rural Health Care Program Abuse

[Nick W]

Yep. I used to work there... Still know a few people that do... or did as
of two weeks ago. If you ask me, this fine is light.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-plans-21m-fine-rural-health
> -care-program-abuse
>

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Dan Petermann]

"The left has been way over dramatic putting visions of children crying while 
jackbooted thugs kick their door in and drag papa off to the gulag. "

You mean like this: 


Except in this case it was the kid they dragged off.


On Nov 9, 2016, at 11:09 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm  
wrote:

> A public works project is a great opportunity to get people working. I would 
> dig it if the current illegals were afforded an option to stay if they 
> participate in the construction if they meet the criteria for entry in the 
> first place. Not citizenship or amnesty, but no trip back to mexico, they 
> still would be in the same place in line as they would if they came through 
> legally, they just dont have to wait in mexico. 
> 
> The left has been way over dramatic putting visions of children crying while 
> jackbooted thugs kick their door in and drag papa off to the gulag. They 
> forget that these people are forced to live in the shadows and accept second 
> class status, no matter how much they have to offer they hit a wall (mental 
> wall that didnt stop them). Obama has been deporting them at a fast clip, 
> nobody faults him for tearing families apart.
> 
> get the wall built, streamline entry. Clinton said we can support 600,000 
> syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent today of the undocumented population 
> we could migrate into citizens...today
> 
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> A mental wall would be cheaper, and probably just as effective.
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 11/9/2016 9:48 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
>> A traditional “wall” would stop nothing.  I heard ideas such as 10 feet 
>> down, 40 feet high, layered, electric barbed wire, integrated cameras into 
>> the block wall, AND the people detectors.  Something sophisticated, designed 
>> up from the ground up, with purpose. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I would think freezing out anybody unknown until they spend the 3 to 6 
>> months of late nights grinding out a plan is more practical.  The question 
>> got brought into the new biggest group that we are not just letting in, we 
>> are ushering them in from Syria as though they all are capable of working at 
>> Disney World tomorrow.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> J
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:34 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Logistics
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> A wall is impractical.  Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord.  The wall stops 
>> nothing.  People detectors are much more practical.  Give the list members a 
>> billion dollars and we will have a string of motion sensors and cameras that 
>> will get ‘er done. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is so far 
>> impossible.  We will need some really functional MRI technology and perhaps 
>> some synapse decoding before that will become possible.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them out.  No 
>> I look Arab but I am a Christian...  Can’t vet that. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in just a 
>> few days, so there’s that
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Paul McCall
>> 
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM
>> 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Jaime,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere in 
>> your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his statements was 
>> highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.  Instead of listening 
>> for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took great 
>> liberties to distort for a story line to support their ratings and liberal 
>> agenda.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> In now particular order…
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come into 
>> this county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or law.  
>> There is a policy to apply for legal immigration.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> #1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US has a 
>> right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be a 
>> good fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right) to 
>> protect itself now and in the future.  The US has given up on that for way 
>> too long and is a very dangerous position because of the relatively small % 
>> of “bad apples” that have let in completely unchecked.  The is almost no 
>> vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes into the 
>> country.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> That being said…
>> 
>> The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who 
>> these people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a 
>> wise move.  He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends and those 
>> friends were essentially, vetted by 

[AFMUG] Ceragon repairs

[Adam Moffett]

Could anybody repair a Ceragon IP10c (all outdoor model) with dead 
ethernet ports?

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental

[Josh Luthman]

CTI does.  They"rent" the Ruckus gear for the WISPA shows.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 9, 2016 11:48 AM, "Nate Burke"  wrote:

> I'm looking at a project where I would need to (temporarily) provide Wifi
> to about 350 devices in an indoor open 150'x60' area.  There is a good
> chance that all devices will be in use simultaneously, probably streaming
> video (Both live TV and Netflix/youtube). Backhaul to the location is not
> an issue, but I'm looking for opinions on number of AP's needed, and
> recommended manufacturers. I'm guessing many AP's running at low power.
> Ap's would be all ceiling mount, 18' above the floor.
>
> Follow up question, does anybody do equipment rental these days? From
> Install to De Install would be about a Month.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

[Adam Moffett]

Tried serial console?


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/9/2016 2:05:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network


Wonder if its only listening on certain IPs or IP ranges...


On Nov 9, 2016 1:01 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
 wrote:

Port scan only gave me a single open port, 5678.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 9, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:



Run a port scan on them. Try the web too.


On Nov 9, 2016 11:39 AM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
 wrote:
All the romon ports and all other normal ports used for management 
aside from the discovery are either closed or blocked by an internal 
firewall.


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:18 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:



wrong username/password
you should be able to romon or mac connect regardless, hopefully he 
had romon on and once youre into one you can get into the rest


On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Brett A Mansfield 
 wrote:
So I think I have the correct password, but no matter what I get 
an error when connecting. I think he may have changed the 
management ports. I should be able to log in via console and 
change all of that there, correct?


If so I'll google the guide. My biggest question is if I try to 
log in and the password is wrong will it tell my username and or 
password is wrong or will it just say "error, cannot connect"?


Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:


man, ive been hiding that shame for some time, im glad to know 
someone else out there is equally as guilty


On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  
wrote:
OK, I am lazy, which means I use Winbox, and it has the password 
stored for every Mikrotik I manage.  Plus I use Winbox on 
several computers - laptops, desktops, and computers I remote 
into.  I take it this guy was not similarly lazy?  If I was the 
fired ex-admin, all you would need is to find one of the 
computers I used Winbox on.  Even if it's not possible to 
decrypt the stored passwords, you could Winbox into every 
Mikrotik and change the password.


I guess real men use SSH and the CLI.  Oh, and don't store the 
credentials in their SSH client.


Note, it appears Winbox 3 stores the passwords as cleartext in 
settings.cfg.viw.



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited 
network


On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 00:24 +, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
> I was able to find the backups. Sadly they are running v6.36.
>
> If I default it can I restore its config and change the 
password or

> will it apply the old one?
>
>

Google for "mtpass".  That will find the passwords in the backup 
file.
 If these backups contain the "old" OR the "new" password, when 
you default/restore the backup, the password will be whatever is 
in that file.



--
Butch Evans
Training and Support for WISPs
702-537-0979
http://store.wispgear.net/
http://www.butchevans.com/






--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see 
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of 
the team.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the 
team.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

[Josh Reynolds]

Wonder if its only listening on certain IPs or IP ranges...

On Nov 9, 2016 1:01 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
wrote:

> Port scan only gave me a single open port, 5678.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Nov 9, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
> Run a port scan on them. Try the web too.
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 11:39 AM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
> wrote:
>
>> All the romon ports and all other normal ports used for management aside
>> from the discovery are either closed or blocked by an internal firewall.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:18 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> wrong username/password
>> you should be able to romon or mac connect regardless, hopefully he had
>> romon on and once youre into one you can get into the rest
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Brett A Mansfield <
>> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So I think I have the correct password, but no matter what I get an
>>> error when connecting. I think he may have changed the management ports. I
>>> should be able to log in via console and change all of that there, correct?
>>>
>>> If so I'll google the guide. My biggest question is if I try to log in
>>> and the password is wrong will it tell my username and or password is wrong
>>> or will it just say "error, cannot connect"?
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>>
>>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> man, ive been hiding that shame for some time, im glad to know someone
>>> else out there is equally as guilty
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 OK, I am lazy, which means I use Winbox, and it has the password stored
 for every Mikrotik I manage.  Plus I use Winbox on several computers -
 laptops, desktops, and computers I remote into.  I take it this guy was not
 similarly lazy?  If I was the fired ex-admin, all you would need is to find
 one of the computers I used Winbox on.  Even if it's not possible to
 decrypt the stored passwords, you could Winbox into every Mikrotik and
 change the password.

 I guess real men use SSH and the CLI.  Oh, and don't store the
 credentials in their SSH client.

 Note, it appears Winbox 3 stores the passwords as cleartext in
 settings.cfg.viw.


 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:10 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

 On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 00:24 +, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
 > I was able to find the backups. Sadly they are running v6.36.
 >
 > If I default it can I restore its config and change the password or
 > will it apply the old one?
 >
 >

 Google for "mtpass".  That will find the passwords in the backup file.
  If these backups contain the "old" OR the "new" password, when you
 default/restore the backup, the password will be whatever is in that file.


 --
 Butch Evans
 Training and Support for WISPs
 702-537-0979
 http://store.wispgear.net/
 http://www.butchevans.com/



>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

[Brett A Mansfield]

Port scan only gave me a single open port, 5678.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 11:20 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> Run a port scan on them. Try the web too.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 9, 2016 11:39 AM, "Brett A Mansfield"  
>> wrote:
>> All the romon ports and all other normal ports used for management aside 
>> from the discovery are either closed or blocked by an internal firewall.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:18 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> wrong username/password
>>> you should be able to romon or mac connect regardless, hopefully he had 
>>> romon on and once youre into one you can get into the rest
>>> 
 On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Brett A Mansfield 
  wrote:
 So I think I have the correct password, but no matter what I get an error 
 when connecting. I think he may have changed the management ports. I 
 should be able to log in via console and change all of that there, 
 correct? 
 
 If so I'll google the guide. My biggest question is if I try to log in and 
 the password is wrong will it tell my username and or password is wrong or 
 will it just say "error, cannot connect"?
 
 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
 
> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> man, ive been hiding that shame for some time, im glad to know someone 
> else out there is equally as guilty
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
>> OK, I am lazy, which means I use Winbox, and it has the password stored 
>> for every Mikrotik I manage.  Plus I use Winbox on several computers - 
>> laptops, desktops, and computers I remote into.  I take it this guy was 
>> not similarly lazy?  If I was the fired ex-admin, all you would need is 
>> to find one of the computers I used Winbox on.  Even if it's not 
>> possible to decrypt the stored passwords, you could Winbox into every 
>> Mikrotik and change the password.
>> 
>> I guess real men use SSH and the CLI.  Oh, and don't store the 
>> credentials in their SSH client.
>> 
>> Note, it appears Winbox 3 stores the passwords as cleartext in 
>> settings.cfg.viw.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:10 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network
>> 
>> On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 00:24 +, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
>> > I was able to find the backups. Sadly they are running v6.36.
>> >
>> > If I default it can I restore its config and change the password or
>> > will it apply the old one?
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> Google for "mtpass".  That will find the passwords in the backup file.
>>  If these backups contain the "old" OR the "new" password, when you 
>> default/restore the backup, the password will be whatever is in that 
>> file.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Butch Evans
>> Training and Support for WISPs
>> 702-537-0979
>> http://store.wispgear.net/
>> http://www.butchevans.com/
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Paul McCall]

Yep ☺  A creative, fresh look at this (not a bureaucratic jam it down your 
throats plan) could indeed yield good results.  Get smart guys in a hotel room 
on a weekend and watch what happens

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 1:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Logistics


I really like your thought process in the first paragraph... Kind of. Having 
illegals show up to work on a project just "outs" them, so I can't see many 
showing up :)

Having the unemployed show up as federal contractors to work on infrastructure 
projects would be a great idea. For one, you can hire them cheaper than you 
otherwise would, so the project cost goes down. As long as quality is 
continuously evaluated, this could help put money back into the economy, 
support families and businesses, and improve infrastructure.

On Nov 9, 2016 12:09 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
A public works project is a great opportunity to get people working. I would 
dig it if the current illegals were afforded an option to stay if they 
participate in the construction if they meet the criteria for entry in the 
first place. Not citizenship or amnesty, but no trip back to mexico, they still 
would be in the same place in line as they would if they came through legally, 
they just dont have to wait in mexico.

The left has been way over dramatic putting visions of children crying while 
jackbooted thugs kick their door in and drag papa off to the gulag. They forget 
that these people are forced to live in the shadows and accept second class 
status, no matter how much they have to offer they hit a wall (mental wall that 
didnt stop them). Obama has been deporting them at a fast clip, nobody faults 
him for tearing families apart.

get the wall built, streamline entry. Clinton said we can support 600,000 
syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent today of the undocumented population we 
could migrate into citizens...today

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
A mental wall would be cheaper, and probably just as effective.



bp




On 11/9/2016 9:48 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
A traditional “wall” would stop nothing.  I heard ideas such as 10 feet down, 
40 feet high, layered, electric barbed wire, integrated cameras into the block 
wall, AND the people detectors.  Something sophisticated, designed up from the 
ground up, with purpose.

I would think freezing out anybody unknown until they spend the 3 to 6 months 
of late nights grinding out a plan is more practical.  The question got brought 
into the new biggest group that we are not just letting in, we are ushering 
them in from Syria as though they all are capable of working at Disney World 
tomorrow.

☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Logistics

A wall is impractical.  Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord.  The wall stops 
nothing.  People detectors are much more practical.  Give the list members a 
billion dollars and we will have a string of motion sensors and cameras that 
will get ‘er done.

Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is so far 
impossible.  We will need some really functional MRI technology and perhaps 
some synapse decoding before that will become possible.

And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them out.  No I 
look Arab but I am a Christian...  Can’t vet that.

But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in just a few 
days, so there’s that

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

Jaime,

I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere in 
your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his statements was 
highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.  Instead of listening 
for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took great liberties 
to distort for a story line to support their ratings and liberal agenda.

In now particular order…

There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come into this 
county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or law.  There is a 
policy to apply for legal immigration.

#1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US has a right 
to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be a good 
fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right) to protect 
itself now and in the future.  The US has given up on that for way too long and 
is a very dangerous position because of the relatively small % of “bad apples” 
that have let in completely 

Re: [AFMUG] MAC Telnet on ePMP 3.1

[Nate Burke]

AFAIK there is no way in EPMP to do that, but it is on the roadmap ala 
FSK and 450.


On 11/9/2016 12:05 PM, Paul McCall wrote:


Yep, I get know that my expectation for going from a Mikrotik probably 
isn�t going to work.


What device do we use to talk to an SM via MAC Telnet ?  Not seeing an 
option within the AP to do it from there.


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 12:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MAC Telnet on ePMP 3.1

Are you talking about trying to login via MAC telnet?� The Neighbor 
list is just everything that is spitting out Discovery info, ala CDP 
or UBNT discovery, you can see all your cisco or UBNT devices in a 
mikrotik neighbor list, but you can't login at a MAC level to them.� 
It is just a tool to see layer 2 connected devices IP Address, name, etc.


From http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MAC_access� "MAC telnet is 
possible between two MikroTik RouterOS routers only. "


�

On 11/9/2016 11:42 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

Can you expand on this?� How do we login then?� From what
device?� I guess I was assuming we could from a Tik, but maybe
there is something else in mind?� I don�t see an option from
Cambium?

�

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:42 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MAC Telnet on ePMP 3.1

�

I think the user/password is done locally before any communication
is done with the remote device.� I know that when I have a Tik
that is locked up, but still showing in the neighbor list,
mactelnet will always ask user/pass, but then fail when trying to
connect.�

I always through mac-telnet was Tik proprietary.�

On 11/9/2016 8:03 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

Installed 3.1 on 1 tower of ePMPs.� The GUI is much quicker
now.� I still wouldn�t call it fast but a huge
improvement.� Good job Cambium.

�

By default MAC-Telnet is enabled and the radios show up in IP
Neighbors on a Mikrotik.� When we trying connecting we get
challenged for Login (then password) and the normal password
for the Admin account get rejected.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800�

pa...@pdmnet.net 

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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

[Josh Reynolds]

Run a port scan on them. Try the web too.

On Nov 9, 2016 11:39 AM, "Brett A Mansfield" 
wrote:

> All the romon ports and all other normal ports used for management aside
> from the discovery are either closed or blocked by an internal firewall.
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:18 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> wrong username/password
> you should be able to romon or mac connect regardless, hopefully he had
> romon on and once youre into one you can get into the rest
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Brett A Mansfield <
> li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> So I think I have the correct password, but no matter what I get an error
>> when connecting. I think he may have changed the management ports. I should
>> be able to log in via console and change all of that there, correct?
>>
>> If so I'll google the guide. My biggest question is if I try to log in
>> and the password is wrong will it tell my username and or password is wrong
>> or will it just say "error, cannot connect"?
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> man, ive been hiding that shame for some time, im glad to know someone
>> else out there is equally as guilty
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I am lazy, which means I use Winbox, and it has the password stored
>>> for every Mikrotik I manage.  Plus I use Winbox on several computers -
>>> laptops, desktops, and computers I remote into.  I take it this guy was not
>>> similarly lazy?  If I was the fired ex-admin, all you would need is to find
>>> one of the computers I used Winbox on.  Even if it's not possible to
>>> decrypt the stored passwords, you could Winbox into every Mikrotik and
>>> change the password.
>>>
>>> I guess real men use SSH and the CLI.  Oh, and don't store the
>>> credentials in their SSH client.
>>>
>>> Note, it appears Winbox 3 stores the passwords as cleartext in
>>> settings.cfg.viw.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:10 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 00:24 +, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
>>> > I was able to find the backups. Sadly they are running v6.36.
>>> >
>>> > If I default it can I restore its config and change the password or
>>> > will it apply the old one?
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> Google for "mtpass".  That will find the passwords in the backup file.
>>>  If these backups contain the "old" OR the "new" password, when you
>>> default/restore the backup, the password will be whatever is in that file.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Butch Evans
>>> Training and Support for WISPs
>>> 702-537-0979
>>> http://store.wispgear.net/
>>> http://www.butchevans.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Josh Reynolds]

I really like your thought process in the first paragraph... Kind of.
Having illegals show up to work on a project just "outs" them, so I can't
see many showing up :)

Having the unemployed show up as federal contractors to work on
infrastructure projects would be a great idea. For one, you can hire them
cheaper than you otherwise would, so the project cost goes down. As long as
quality is continuously evaluated, this could help put money back into the
economy, support families and businesses, and improve infrastructure.

On Nov 9, 2016 12:09 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> A public works project is a great opportunity to get people working. I
> would dig it if the current illegals were afforded an option to stay if
> they participate in the construction if they meet the criteria for entry in
> the first place. Not citizenship or amnesty, but no trip back to mexico,
> they still would be in the same place in line as they would if they came
> through legally, they just dont have to wait in mexico.
>
> The left has been way over dramatic putting visions of children crying
> while jackbooted thugs kick their door in and drag papa off to the gulag.
> They forget that these people are forced to live in the shadows and accept
> second class status, no matter how much they have to offer they hit a wall
> (mental wall that didnt stop them). Obama has been deporting them at a fast
> clip, nobody faults him for tearing families apart.
>
> get the wall built, streamline entry. Clinton said we can support 600,000
> syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent today of the undocumented population
> we could migrate into citizens...today
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> A mental wall would be cheaper, and probably just as effective.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 11/9/2016 9:48 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
>>
>> A traditional “wall” would stop nothing.  I heard ideas such as 10 feet
>> down, 40 feet high, layered, electric barbed wire, integrated cameras into
>> the block wall, AND the people detectors.  Something sophisticated,
>> designed up from the ground up, with purpose.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would think freezing out anybody unknown until they spend the 3 to 6
>> months of late nights grinding out a plan is more practical.  The question
>> got brought into the new biggest group that we are not just letting in, we
>> are ushering them in from Syria as though they all are capable of working
>> at Disney World tomorrow.
>>
>>
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:34 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Logistics
>>
>>
>>
>> A wall is impractical.  Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord.  The wall
>> stops nothing.  People detectors are much more practical.  Give the list
>> members a billion dollars and we will have a string of motion sensors and
>> cameras that will get ‘er done.
>>
>>
>>
>> Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is so
>> far impossible.  We will need some really functional MRI technology and
>> perhaps some synapse decoding before that will become possible.
>>
>>
>>
>> And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them out.
>> No I look Arab but I am a Christian...  Can’t vet that.
>>
>>
>>
>> But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in just
>> a few days, so there’s that
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Paul McCall
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>>
>>
>>
>> Jaime,
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere
>> in your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his statements
>> was highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.  Instead of
>> listening for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took
>> great liberties to distort for a story line to support their ratings and
>> liberal agenda.
>>
>>
>>
>> In now particular order…
>>
>>
>>
>> There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come
>> into this county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or
>> law.  There is a policy to apply for legal immigration.
>>
>>
>>
>> #1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US has a
>> right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be
>> a good fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right)
>> to protect itself now and in the future.  The US has given up on that for
>> way too long and is a very dangerous position because of the relatively
>> small % of “bad apples” that have let in completely unchecked.  The is
>> almost no vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes
>> into the country.
>>
>>
>>
>> That being said…
>>
>> The “freeze” on 

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

A public works project is a great opportunity to get people working. I
would dig it if the current illegals were afforded an option to stay if
they participate in the construction if they meet the criteria for entry in
the first place. Not citizenship or amnesty, but no trip back to mexico,
they still would be in the same place in line as they would if they came
through legally, they just dont have to wait in mexico.

The left has been way over dramatic putting visions of children crying
while jackbooted thugs kick their door in and drag papa off to the gulag.
They forget that these people are forced to live in the shadows and accept
second class status, no matter how much they have to offer they hit a wall
(mental wall that didnt stop them). Obama has been deporting them at a fast
clip, nobody faults him for tearing families apart.

get the wall built, streamline entry. Clinton said we can support 600,000
syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent today of the undocumented population
we could migrate into citizens...today

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> A mental wall would be cheaper, and probably just as effective.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 11/9/2016 9:48 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
>
> A traditional “wall” would stop nothing.  I heard ideas such as 10 feet
> down, 40 feet high, layered, electric barbed wire, integrated cameras into
> the block wall, AND the people detectors.  Something sophisticated,
> designed up from the ground up, with purpose.
>
>
>
> I would think freezing out anybody unknown until they spend the 3 to 6
> months of late nights grinding out a plan is more practical.  The question
> got brought into the new biggest group that we are not just letting in, we
> are ushering them in from Syria as though they all are capable of working
> at Disney World tomorrow.
>
>
>
> J
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:34 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Logistics
>
>
>
> A wall is impractical.  Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord.  The wall stops
> nothing.  People detectors are much more practical.  Give the list members
> a billion dollars and we will have a string of motion sensors and cameras
> that will get ‘er done.
>
>
>
> Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is so
> far impossible.  We will need some really functional MRI technology and
> perhaps some synapse decoding before that will become possible.
>
>
>
> And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them out.
> No I look Arab but I am a Christian...  Can’t vet that.
>
>
>
> But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in just a
> few days, so there’s that
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul McCall
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>
>
>
> Jaime,
>
>
>
> I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere
> in your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his statements
> was highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.  Instead of
> listening for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took
> great liberties to distort for a story line to support their ratings and
> liberal agenda.
>
>
>
> In now particular order…
>
>
>
> There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come into
> this county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or law.
> There is a policy to apply for legal immigration.
>
>
>
> #1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US has a
> right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be
> a good fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right)
> to protect itself now and in the future.  The US has given up on that for
> way too long and is a very dangerous position because of the relatively
> small % of “bad apples” that have let in completely unchecked.  The is
> almost no vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes
> into the country.
>
>
>
> That being said…
>
> The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who
> these people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a
> wise move.  He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends and those
> friends were essentially, vetted by myself.  Not in a formal action but in
> getting to know them.  They are the first to acknowledge the cold hard
> facts, that percentage wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a
> very large number.  They also support the “freeze” because they don’t want
> to be blown up either randomly at a public place by people that place NO
> value on your life or theirs.  Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent internment
> camps for Muslims; he said simply, we won’t let them in “until we figure
> out how to deal with 

Re: [AFMUG] MAC Telnet on ePMP 3.1

[Paul McCall]

Yep, I get know that my expectation for going from a Mikrotik probably isn't 
going to work.

What device do we use to talk to an SM via MAC Telnet ?  Not seeing an option 
within the AP to do it from there.

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 12:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MAC Telnet on ePMP 3.1

Are you talking about trying to login via MAC telnet?� The Neighbor list is 
just everything that is spitting out Discovery info, ala CDP or UBNT discovery, 
you can see all your cisco or UBNT devices in a mikrotik neighbor list, but you 
can't login at a MAC level to them.� It is just a tool to see layer 2 
connected devices IP Address, name, etc.

>From http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MAC_access� "MAC telnet is possible 
>between two MikroTik RouterOS routers only. "

�
On 11/9/2016 11:42 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
Can you expand on this?� How do we login then?� From what device?� I 
guess I was assuming we could from a Tik, but maybe there is something else in 
mind?� I don�t see an option from Cambium?
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MAC Telnet on ePMP 3.1
�
I think the user/password is done locally before any communication is done with 
the remote device.� I know that when I have a Tik that is locked up, but 
still showing in the neighbor list, mactelnet will always ask user/pass, but 
then fail when trying to connect.�

I always through mac-telnet was Tik proprietary.�
On 11/9/2016 8:03 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
Installed 3.1 on 1 tower of ePMPs.� The GUI is much quicker now.� I still 
wouldn�t call it fast but a huge improvement.� Good job Cambium.
�
By default MAC-Telnet is enabled and the radios show up in IP Neighbors on a 
Mikrotik.� When we trying connecting we get challenged for Login (then 
password) and the normal password for the Admin account get rejected.
�
Am I missing something?
�
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800�
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com
�
�
�

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Bill Prince]

A mental wall would be cheaper, and probably just as effective.


bp


On 11/9/2016 9:48 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


A traditional “wall” would stop nothing.  I heard ideas such as 10 
feet down, 40 feet high, layered, electric barbed wire, integrated 
cameras into the block wall, AND the people detectors.  Something 
sophisticated, designed up from the ground up, with purpose.


I would think freezing out anybody unknown until they spend the 3 to 6 
months of late nights grinding out a plan is more practical.  The 
question got brought into the new biggest group that we are not just 
letting in, we are ushering them in from Syria as though they all are 
capable of working at Disney World tomorrow.


J

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:34 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Logistics

A wall is impractical.  Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord.  The wall 
stops nothing.  People detectors are much more practical.  Give the 
list members a billion dollars and we will have a string of motion 
sensors and cameras that will get ‘er done.


Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is 
so far impossible.  We will need some really functional MRI technology 
and perhaps some synapse decoding before that will become possible.


And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them 
out.  No I look Arab but I am a Christian...  Can’t vet that.


But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in 
just a few days, so there’s that


*From:*Paul McCall

*Sent:*Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

Jaime,

I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are 
sincere in your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his 
statements was highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points. 
Instead of listening for actual plans to develop the media way overdid 
it, and took great liberties to distort for a story line to support 
their ratings and liberal agenda.


In now particular order…

There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come 
into this county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or 
law.  There is a policy to apply for legal immigration.


#1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”. Meaning, the US has 
a right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might 
not be a good fit. Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not 
just a right) to protect itself now and in the future.  The US has 
given up on that for way too long and is a very dangerous position 
because of the relatively small % of “bad apples” that have let in 
completely unchecked.  The is almost no vetting system currently, no 
structure on protecting who comes into the country.


That being said…

The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know 
who these people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is 
simply a wise move. He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends 
and those friends were essentially, vetted by myself.  Not in a formal 
action but in getting to know them.  They are the first to acknowledge 
the cold hard facts, that percentage wise, the number of extremists in 
that religion is a very large number.  They also support the “freeze” 
because they don’t want to be blown up either randomly at a public 
place by people that place NO value on your life or theirs.  Trump 
hasn’t spoke of permanent internment camps for Muslims; he said 
simply, we won’t let them in “until we figure out how to deal with 
some form of system to vet them”.  It’s no more complicated than 
that.  Yet, that’s not what fear and the media would like you to 
believe.  To call using common sense to protect your sovereignty like 
being a NAZI is far reaching,


Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail 
(offlist) with you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago, and 
the pure evil I experienced from Muslims who were in their own eyes, 
“just normal”.  If there is not enough evidence now to justify wise 
actions to protect ourselves domestically from evil factions from 
permeating the US sovereign integrity, then we are really, really 
missing something.  It IS a cultural thing, and it is scary.


Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a system 
is developed to properly can do that, is reasonable.  Is Trump the 
most eloquent speaker and did he articulate it in a way that the 
aggressive media cannot tear apart?  Absolutely not.


On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being to 
protect the nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY factions, not 
just Hispanics.  It doesn’t address 75% of the problem.  But it is a 
start.  Mexico is discussing the same thing to protect itself from the 
south.  I have zero problem with 

Re: [AFMUG] MAC Telnet on ePMP 3.1

[Nate Burke]

Are you talking about trying to login via MAC telnet?  The Neighbor list 
is just everything that is spitting out Discovery info, ala CDP or UBNT 
discovery, you can see all your cisco or UBNT devices in a mikrotik 
neighbor list, but you can't login at a MAC level to them. It is just a 
tool to see layer 2 connected devices IP Address, name, etc.


From http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/MAC_access  "MAC telnet is possible 
between two MikroTik RouterOS routers only. "




On 11/9/2016 11:42 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


Can you expand on this?  How do we login then?  From what device?  I 
guess I was assuming we could from a Tik, but maybe there is something 
else in mind?  I don�t see an option from Cambium?


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Nate Burke
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:42 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MAC Telnet on ePMP 3.1

I think the user/password is done locally before any communication is 
done with the remote device.� I know that when I have a Tik that is 
locked up, but still showing in the neighbor list, mactelnet will 
always ask user/pass, but then fail when trying to connect.�


I always through mac-telnet was Tik proprietary.�

On 11/9/2016 8:03 AM, Paul McCall wrote:

Installed 3.1 on 1 tower of ePMPs.� The GUI is much quicker
now.� I still wouldn�t call it fast but a huge improvement.�
Good job Cambium.

�

By default MAC-Telnet is enabled and the radios show up in IP
Neighbors on a Mikrotik.� When we trying connecting we get
challenged for Login (then password) and the normal password for
the Admin account get rejected.

�

Am I missing something?

�

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800�

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

�

�

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Paul McCall]

A traditional “wall” would stop nothing.  I heard ideas such as 10 feet down, 
40 feet high, layered, electric barbed wire, integrated cameras into the block 
wall, AND the people detectors.  Something sophisticated, designed up from the 
ground up, with purpose.

I would think freezing out anybody unknown until they spend the 3 to 6 months 
of late nights grinding out a plan is more practical.  The question got brought 
into the new biggest group that we are not just letting in, we are ushering 
them in from Syria as though they all are capable of working at Disney World 
tomorrow.

☺

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Logistics

A wall is impractical.  Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord.  The wall stops 
nothing.  People detectors are much more practical.  Give the list members a 
billion dollars and we will have a string of motion sensors and cameras that 
will get ‘er done.

Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is so far 
impossible.  We will need some really functional MRI technology and perhaps 
some synapse decoding before that will become possible.

And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them out.  No I 
look Arab but I am a Christian...  Can’t vet that.

But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in just a few 
days, so there’s that

From: Paul McCall
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

Jaime,

I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere in 
your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his statements was 
highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.  Instead of listening 
for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took great liberties 
to distort for a story line to support their ratings and liberal agenda.

In now particular order…

There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come into this 
county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or law.  There is a 
policy to apply for legal immigration.

#1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US has a right 
to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be a good 
fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right) to protect 
itself now and in the future.  The US has given up on that for way too long and 
is a very dangerous position because of the relatively small % of “bad apples” 
that have let in completely unchecked.  The is almost no vetting system 
currently, no structure on protecting who comes into the country.

That being said…
The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who these 
people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a wise move.  
He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends and those friends were 
essentially, vetted by myself.  Not in a formal action but in getting to know 
them.  They are the first to acknowledge the cold hard facts, that percentage 
wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a very large number.  They 
also support the “freeze” because they don’t want to be blown up either 
randomly at a public place by people that place NO value on your life or 
theirs.  Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent internment camps for Muslims; he said 
simply, we won’t let them in “until we figure out how to deal with some form of 
system to vet them”.  It’s no more complicated than that.  Yet, that’s not what 
fear and the media would like you to believe.  To call using common sense to 
protect your sovereignty like being a NAZI is far reaching,

Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail (offlist) with 
you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago, and the pure evil I 
experienced from Muslims who were in their own eyes, “just normal”.  If there 
is not enough evidence now to justify wise actions to protect ourselves 
domestically from evil factions from permeating the US sovereign integrity, 
then we are really, really missing something.  It IS a cultural thing, and it 
is scary.

Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a system is 
developed to properly can do that, is reasonable.  Is Trump the most eloquent 
speaker and did he articulate it in a way that the aggressive media cannot tear 
apart?  Absolutely not.

On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being to protect the 
nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY factions, not just Hispanics.  It 
doesn’t address 75% of the problem.  But it is a start.  Mexico is discussing 
the same thing to protect itself from the south.  I have zero problem with 
Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody else.   We employee some great Hispanics in my 
country, and one of them has struggled with the legal system on him staying 
here.  It’s a 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

[Chris Wright]

.backup

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 2:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

What would the config file extension be?

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 8, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
Do you have binary backup?  You can extract the password with it.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
> wrote:
Hello everyone,

I recently inherited a network that has a dozen Mikrotik CCRs. They are both 
the 1009 and 1036 models. The documentation we received is inaccurate and the 
network is very complex. We're talking more than 1000 VLANs, ever router has a 
redundant router and ISP, bonds and bridges all over the place, sites all 
across the westerns states, etc.

Sadly, due to its complexity I cannot reset the routers and just reconfigure. 
It appears the admin that was fired changed the ports and passwords to be able 
to access this equipment.

Is there a way to reset the management settings (passwords, ports, etc) without 
completely defaulting the router? I have physical access to all of them. I've 
been reading up a lot on google and I'm not finding much help there.

I appreciate any help anyone can offer for free.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] MAC Telnet on ePMP 3.1

[Paul McCall]

Can you expand on this?  How do we login then?  From what device?  I guess I 
was assuming we could from a Tik, but maybe there is something else in mind?  I 
don't see an option from Cambium?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MAC Telnet on ePMP 3.1

I think the user/password is done locally before any communication is done with 
the remote device.� I know that when I have a Tik that is locked up, but 
still showing in the neighbor list, mactelnet will always ask user/pass, but 
then fail when trying to connect.�

I always through mac-telnet was Tik proprietary.�
On 11/9/2016 8:03 AM, Paul McCall wrote:
Installed 3.1 on 1 tower of ePMPs.� The GUI is much quicker now.� I still 
wouldn�t call it fast but a huge improvement.� Good job Cambium.
�
By default MAC-Telnet is enabled and the radios show up in IP Neighbors on a 
Mikrotik.� When we trying connecting we get challenged for Login (then 
password) and the normal password for the Admin account get rejected.
�
Am I missing something?
�
Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800�
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com
�
�

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

[Brett A Mansfield]

All the romon ports and all other normal ports used for management aside from 
the discovery are either closed or blocked by an internal firewall.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:18 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> wrong username/password
> you should be able to romon or mac connect regardless, hopefully he had romon 
> on and once youre into one you can get into the rest
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>  wrote:
>> So I think I have the correct password, but no matter what I get an error 
>> when connecting. I think he may have changed the management ports. I should 
>> be able to log in via console and change all of that there, correct? 
>> 
>> If so I'll google the guide. My biggest question is if I try to log in and 
>> the password is wrong will it tell my username and or password is wrong or 
>> will it just say "error, cannot connect"?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>>> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> man, ive been hiding that shame for some time, im glad to know someone else 
>>> out there is equally as guilty
>>> 
 On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>> 
 OK, I am lazy, which means I use Winbox, and it has the password stored 
 for every Mikrotik I manage.  Plus I use Winbox on several computers - 
 laptops, desktops, and computers I remote into.  I take it this guy was 
 not similarly lazy?  If I was the fired ex-admin, all you would need is to 
 find one of the computers I used Winbox on.  Even if it's not possible to 
 decrypt the stored passwords, you could Winbox into every Mikrotik and 
 change the password.
 
 I guess real men use SSH and the CLI.  Oh, and don't store the credentials 
 in their SSH client.
 
 Note, it appears Winbox 3 stores the passwords as cleartext in 
 settings.cfg.viw.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
 Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:10 AM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network
 
 On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 00:24 +, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
 > I was able to find the backups. Sadly they are running v6.36.
 >
 > If I default it can I restore its config and change the password or
 > will it apply the old one?
 >
 >
 
 Google for "mtpass".  That will find the passwords in the backup file.
  If these backups contain the "old" OR the "new" password, when you 
 default/restore the backup, the password will be whatever is in that file.
 
 
 --
 Butch Evans
 Training and Support for WISPs
 702-537-0979
 http://store.wispgear.net/
 http://www.butchevans.com/
 
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
>>> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Jay Weekley]

Too late. I looked on Youtube.  Good job Paul.

Paul McCall wrote:


Kurt,

I will send you a few links OFFLIST.  Not a place to toot my own horn 
(pun somewhat intended)


Paul

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:20 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

Paul,

Your in a band!?! This is more shocking news than the election 
results! Where can we find the youtube videos?


Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110


On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Paul McCall > wrote:


Jaime,

I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are
sincere in your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of
his statements was highly exaggerated into PC / political talking
points.  Instead of listening for actual plans to develop the
media way overdid it, and took great liberties to distort for a
story line to support their ratings and liberal agenda.

In now particular order…

There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to
come into this county.  None in the constitution, none in current
policy or law.  There is a policy to apply for legal immigration.

#1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US
has a right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those
who might not be a good fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has
a duty (not just a right) to protect itself now and in the
future.  The US has given up on that for way too long and is a
very dangerous position because of the relatively small % of “bad
apples” that have let in completely unchecked.  The is almost no
vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes
into the country.

That being said…

The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we
know who these people are exactly (and no such vetting system
exists), is simply a wise move.  He never said permanently. I have
Muslim friends and those friends were essentially, vetted by
myself.  Not in a formal action but in getting to know them.  They
are the first to acknowledge the cold hard facts, that percentage
wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a very large
number.  They also support the “freeze” because they don’t want to
be blown up either randomly at a public place by people that place
NO value on your life or theirs.  Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent
internment camps for Muslims; he said simply, we won’t let them in
“until we figure out how to deal with some form of system to vet
them”.  It’s no more complicated than that.  Yet, that’s not what
fear and the media would like you to believe.  To call using
common sense to protect your sovereignty like being a NAZI is far
reaching,

Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail
(offlist) with you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago,
and the pure evil I experienced from Muslims who were in their own
eyes, “just normal”.  If there is not enough evidence now to
justify wise actions to protect ourselves domestically from evil
factions from permeating the US sovereign integrity, then we are
really, really missing something.  It IS a cultural thing, and it
is scary.

Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a
system is developed to properly can do that, is reasonable.  Is
Trump the most eloquent speaker and did he articulate it in a way
that the aggressive media cannot tear apart?  Absolutely not.

On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being
to protect the nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY
factions, not just Hispanics.  It doesn’t address 75% of the
problem.  But it is a start.  Mexico is discussing the same thing
to protect itself from the south.  I have zero problem with
Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody else.   We employee some great
Hispanics in my country, and one of them has struggled with the
legal system on him staying here.  It’s a mess.  He doesn’t
support no control on immigration.  I play in a Latin band where I
am the only gringo out of 14 players.  None of them would judge as
a racist for trying to look at the problem and eliminate the “2%
bad element” that does cause 90% of the problem for us.   Trump’s
comments about some of them back and forth from Mexico that have
committed horrendous acts, some repeatedly, with no response on
accountability for those shipped back for crimes, IS a problem. 
Again, did Trump articulate this in a way that didn’t offend a

larger block of people in the process?  Not a chance.  But, Can he
start to make changes? 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Paul McCall]

Kurt,

I will send you a few links OFFLIST.  Not a place to toot my own horn (pun 
somewhat intended)

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 10:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

Paul,

Your in a band!?! This is more shocking news than the election results! Where 
can we find the youtube videos?

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Jaime,

I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere in 
your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his statements was 
highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.  Instead of listening 
for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took great liberties 
to distort for a story line to support their ratings and liberal agenda.

In now particular order…

There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come into this 
county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or law.  There is a 
policy to apply for legal immigration.

#1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US has a right 
to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be a good 
fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right) to protect 
itself now and in the future.  The US has given up on that for way too long and 
is a very dangerous position because of the relatively small % of “bad apples” 
that have let in completely unchecked.  The is almost no vetting system 
currently, no structure on protecting who comes into the country.

That being said…
The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who these 
people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a wise move.  
He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends and those friends were 
essentially, vetted by myself.  Not in a formal action but in getting to know 
them.  They are the first to acknowledge the cold hard facts, that percentage 
wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a very large number.  They 
also support the “freeze” because they don’t want to be blown up either 
randomly at a public place by people that place NO value on your life or 
theirs.  Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent internment camps for Muslims; he said 
simply, we won’t let them in “until we figure out how to deal with some form of 
system to vet them”.  It’s no more complicated than that.  Yet, that’s not what 
fear and the media would like you to believe.  To call using common sense to 
protect your sovereignty like being a NAZI is far reaching,

Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail (offlist) with 
you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago, and the pure evil I 
experienced from Muslims who were in their own eyes, “just normal”.  If there 
is not enough evidence now to justify wise actions to protect ourselves 
domestically from evil factions from permeating the US sovereign integrity, 
then we are really, really missing something.  It IS a cultural thing, and it 
is scary.

Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a system is 
developed to properly can do that, is reasonable.  Is Trump the most eloquent 
speaker and did he articulate it in a way that the aggressive media cannot tear 
apart?  Absolutely not.

On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being to protect the 
nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY factions, not just Hispanics.  It 
doesn’t address 75% of the problem.  But it is a start.  Mexico is discussing 
the same thing to protect itself from the south.  I have zero problem with 
Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody else.   We employee some great Hispanics in my 
country, and one of them has struggled with the legal system on him staying 
here.  It’s a mess.  He doesn’t support no control on immigration.  I play in a 
Latin band where I am the only gringo out of 14 players.  None of them would 
judge as a racist for trying to look at the problem and eliminate the “2% bad 
element” that does cause 90% of the problem for us.   Trump’s comments about 
some of them back and forth from Mexico that have committed horrendous acts, 
some repeatedly, with no response on accountability for those shipped back for 
crimes, IS a problem.  Again, did Trump articulate this in a way that didn’t 
offend a larger block of people in the process?  Not a chance.  But, Can he 
start to make changes?  I believe he can.

Someone mentioned KKK previously. Trump strongly disavowed their support 
recently.

As far as hypocrisy, that certainly is evident based on his past.  I can’t and 
won’t defend that in itself.  He seems to mean what he says though, without 
carefully sculptured PC rhetoric, and he has said 

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Jon Langeler]

Agreed. my wife is hoping he brings Ben Carson onto the team. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Nov 9, 2016, at 11:40 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> the man ran against the dnc, the gop, and the media and won. doing things 
> previously thought impossible by those stuck in a mindset of complacency is 
> now his stock and trade
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:
>> A wall is impractical.  Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord.  The wall stops 
>> nothing.  People detectors are much more practical.  Give the list members a 
>> billion dollars and we will have a string of motion sensors and cameras that 
>> will get ‘er done. 
>>  
>> Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is so far 
>> impossible.  We will need some really functional MRI technology and perhaps 
>> some synapse decoding before that will become possible.
>>  
>> And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them out.  No 
>> I look Arab but I am a Christian...  Can’t vet that. 
>>  
>> But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in just a 
>> few days, so there’s that
>>  
>> From: Paul McCall
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election  Day
>>  
>> Jaime,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere in 
>> your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his statements was 
>> highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.  Instead of listening 
>> for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took great 
>> liberties to distort for a story line to support their ratings and liberal 
>> agenda.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> In now particular order…
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come into 
>> this county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or law.  
>> There is a policy to apply for legal immigration.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> #1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US has a 
>> right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be a 
>> good fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right) to 
>> protect itself now and in the future.  The US has given up on that for way 
>> too long and is a very dangerous position because of the relatively small % 
>> of “bad apples” that have let in completely unchecked.  The is almost no 
>> vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes into the 
>> country.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> That being said…
>> 
>> The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who 
>> these people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a 
>> wise move.  He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends and those 
>> friends were essentially, vetted by myself.  Not in a formal action but in 
>> getting to know them.  They are the first to acknowledge the cold hard 
>> facts, that percentage wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a 
>> very large number.  They also support the “freeze” because they don’t want 
>> to be blown up either randomly at a public place by people that place NO 
>> value on your life or theirs.  Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent internment 
>> camps for Muslims; he said simply, we won’t let them in “until we figure out 
>> how to deal with some form of system to vet them”.  It’s no more complicated 
>> than that.  Yet, that’s not what fear and the media would like you to 
>> believe.  To call using common sense to protect your sovereignty like being 
>> a NAZI is far reaching,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail (offlist) with 
>> you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago, and the pure evil I 
>> experienced from Muslims who were in their own eyes, “just normal”.  If 
>> there is not enough evidence now to justify wise actions to protect 
>> ourselves domestically from evil factions from permeating the US sovereign 
>> integrity, then we are really, really missing something.  It IS a cultural 
>> thing, and it is scary. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a system is 
>> developed to properly can do that, is reasonable.  Is Trump the most 
>> eloquent speaker and did he articulate it in a way that the aggressive media 
>> cannot tear apart?  Absolutely not. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being to protect 
>> the nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY factions, not just 
>> Hispanics.  It doesn’t address 75% of the problem.  But it is a start.  
>> Mexico is discussing the same thing to protect itself from the south.  I 
>> have zero problem with Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody else.   We employee 
>> some great Hispanics in my country, and one of them has struggled with the 
>> legal system on him staying here.  It’s 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

wrong username/password
you should be able to romon or mac connect regardless, hopefully he had
romon on and once youre into one you can get into the rest

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Brett A Mansfield <
li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:

> So I think I have the correct password, but no matter what I get an error
> when connecting. I think he may have changed the management ports. I should
> be able to log in via console and change all of that there, correct?
>
> If so I'll google the guide. My biggest question is if I try to log in and
> the password is wrong will it tell my username and or password is wrong or
> will it just say "error, cannot connect"?
>
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
>
> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> man, ive been hiding that shame for some time, im glad to know someone
> else out there is equally as guilty
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> OK, I am lazy, which means I use Winbox, and it has the password stored
>> for every Mikrotik I manage.  Plus I use Winbox on several computers -
>> laptops, desktops, and computers I remote into.  I take it this guy was not
>> similarly lazy?  If I was the fired ex-admin, all you would need is to find
>> one of the computers I used Winbox on.  Even if it's not possible to
>> decrypt the stored passwords, you could Winbox into every Mikrotik and
>> change the password.
>>
>> I guess real men use SSH and the CLI.  Oh, and don't store the
>> credentials in their SSH client.
>>
>> Note, it appears Winbox 3 stores the passwords as cleartext in
>> settings.cfg.viw.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:10 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network
>>
>> On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 00:24 +, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
>> > I was able to find the backups. Sadly they are running v6.36.
>> >
>> > If I default it can I restore its config and change the password or
>> > will it apply the old one?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Google for "mtpass".  That will find the passwords in the backup file.
>>  If these backups contain the "old" OR the "new" password, when you
>> default/restore the backup, the password will be whatever is in that file.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Butch Evans
>> Training and Support for WISPs
>> 702-537-0979
>> http://store.wispgear.net/
>> http://www.butchevans.com/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

[Brett A Mansfield]

So I think I have the correct password, but no matter what I get an error when 
connecting. I think he may have changed the management ports. I should be able 
to log in via console and change all of that there, correct? 

If so I'll google the guide. My biggest question is if I try to log in and the 
password is wrong will it tell my username and or password is wrong or will it 
just say "error, cannot connect"?

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:07 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
>  wrote:
> 
> man, ive been hiding that shame for some time, im glad to know someone else 
> out there is equally as guilty
> 
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> OK, I am lazy, which means I use Winbox, and it has the password stored for 
>> every Mikrotik I manage.  Plus I use Winbox on several computers - laptops, 
>> desktops, and computers I remote into.  I take it this guy was not similarly 
>> lazy?  If I was the fired ex-admin, all you would need is to find one of the 
>> computers I used Winbox on.  Even if it's not possible to decrypt the stored 
>> passwords, you could Winbox into every Mikrotik and change the password.
>> 
>> I guess real men use SSH and the CLI.  Oh, and don't store the credentials 
>> in their SSH client.
>> 
>> Note, it appears Winbox 3 stores the passwords as cleartext in 
>> settings.cfg.viw.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:10 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network
>> 
>> On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 00:24 +, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
>> > I was able to find the backups. Sadly they are running v6.36.
>> >
>> > If I default it can I restore its config and change the password or
>> > will it apply the old one?
>> >
>> >
>> 
>> Google for "mtpass".  That will find the passwords in the backup file.
>>  If these backups contain the "old" OR the "new" password, when you 
>> default/restore the backup, the password will be whatever is in that file.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Butch Evans
>> Training and Support for WISPs
>> 702-537-0979
>> http://store.wispgear.net/
>> http://www.butchevans.com/
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

man, ive been hiding that shame for some time, im glad to know someone else
out there is equally as guilty

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> OK, I am lazy, which means I use Winbox, and it has the password stored
> for every Mikrotik I manage.  Plus I use Winbox on several computers -
> laptops, desktops, and computers I remote into.  I take it this guy was not
> similarly lazy?  If I was the fired ex-admin, all you would need is to find
> one of the computers I used Winbox on.  Even if it's not possible to
> decrypt the stored passwords, you could Winbox into every Mikrotik and
> change the password.
>
> I guess real men use SSH and the CLI.  Oh, and don't store the credentials
> in their SSH client.
>
> Note, it appears Winbox 3 stores the passwords as cleartext in
> settings.cfg.viw.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:10 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network
>
> On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 00:24 +, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
> > I was able to find the backups. Sadly they are running v6.36.
> >
> > If I default it can I restore its config and change the password or
> > will it apply the old one?
> >
> >
>
> Google for "mtpass".  That will find the passwords in the backup file.
>  If these backups contain the "old" OR the "new" password, when you
> default/restore the backup, the password will be whatever is in that file.
>
>
> --
> Butch Evans
> Training and Support for WISPs
> 702-537-0979
> http://store.wispgear.net/
> http://www.butchevans.com/
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ganja

[Keefe John]

Nevada too.  Wispapalooza 2017!


On 11/9/2016 10:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Now you can legally smoke out in CA without faking a medical 
condition.  Congrats, the West Coast of the USA is now unified!  I 
wonder if this will have a negative impact on the quality of software.

[AFMUG] WiFi coverage and Equipment Rental

[Nate Burke]

I'm looking at a project where I would need to (temporarily) provide 
Wifi to about 350 devices in an indoor open 150'x60' area.  There is a 
good chance that all devices will be in use simultaneously, probably 
streaming video (Both live TV and Netflix/youtube). Backhaul to the 
location is not an issue, but I'm looking for opinions on number of AP's 
needed, and recommended manufacturers. I'm guessing many AP's running at 
low power.  Ap's would be all ceiling mount, 18' above the floor.


Follow up question, does anybody do equipment rental these days? From 
Install to De Install would be about a Month.

Re: [AFMUG] Ganja

[Jason Wilson]

I know someone in Colorado who won 2 permits in the lottery. He has had to
buy multiple large safes to store the cash. He cannot get bank accounts.
The upside... Paid cash for a Tesla.

On Nov 9, 2016 8:41 AM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:

> It will be interesting to see how the feds start to handle this in these
> states. I would not want to be in that business right now.
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Jason Wilson 
> wrote:
>
>> But you cannot legally purchase until January.
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 8:16 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Now you can legally smoke out in CA without faking a medical condition.
>>> Congrats, the West Coast of the USA is now unified!  I wonder if this will
>>> have a negative impact on the quality of software.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ganja

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

they need to do something since banks wont house their cash, its dangerous
to have that big of a cash operation given the client base

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:41 AM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> It will be interesting to see how the feds start to handle this in these
> states. I would not want to be in that business right now.
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Jason Wilson 
> wrote:
>
>> But you cannot legally purchase until January.
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 8:16 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Now you can legally smoke out in CA without faking a medical condition.
>>> Congrats, the West Coast of the USA is now unified!  I wonder if this will
>>> have a negative impact on the quality of software.
>>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Ganja

[Cameron Crum]

It will be interesting to see how the feds start to handle this in these
states. I would not want to be in that business right now.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Jason Wilson 
wrote:

> But you cannot legally purchase until January.
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 8:16 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Now you can legally smoke out in CA without faking a medical condition.
>> Congrats, the West Coast of the USA is now unified!  I wonder if this will
>> have a negative impact on the quality of software.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ganja

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i bet trump pushes that cash cow nationwide, too much money and jobs not to.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Jason Wilson 
wrote:

> But you cannot legally purchase until January.
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 8:16 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Now you can legally smoke out in CA without faking a medical condition.
>> Congrats, the West Coast of the USA is now unified!  I wonder if this will
>> have a negative impact on the quality of software.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

the man ran against the dnc, the gop, and the media and won. doing things
previously thought impossible by those stuck in a mindset of complacency is
now his stock and trade

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:

> A wall is impractical.  Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord.  The wall stops
> nothing.  People detectors are much more practical.  Give the list members
> a billion dollars and we will have a string of motion sensors and cameras
> that will get ‘er done.
>
> Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is so
> far impossible.  We will need some really functional MRI technology and
> perhaps some synapse decoding before that will become possible.
>
> And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them out.
> No I look Arab but I am a Christian...  Can’t vet that.
>
> But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in just a
> few days, so there’s that
>
> *From:* Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>
>
> Jaime,
>
>
>
> I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere
> in your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his statements
> was highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.  Instead of
> listening for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took
> great liberties to distort for a story line to support their ratings and
> liberal agenda.
>
>
>
> In now particular order…
>
>
>
> There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come into
> this county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or law.
> There is a policy to apply for legal immigration.
>
>
>
> #1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US has a
> right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be
> a good fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right)
> to protect itself now and in the future.  The US has given up on that for
> way too long and is a very dangerous position because of the relatively
> small % of “bad apples” that have let in completely unchecked.  The is
> almost no vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes
> into the country.
>
>
>
> That being said…
>
> The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who
> these people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a
> wise move.  He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends and those
> friends were essentially, vetted by myself.  Not in a formal action but in
> getting to know them.  They are the first to acknowledge the cold hard
> facts, that percentage wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a
> very large number.  They also support the “freeze” because they don’t want
> to be blown up either randomly at a public place by people that place NO
> value on your life or theirs.  Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent internment
> camps for Muslims; he said simply, we won’t let them in “until we figure
> out how to deal with some form of system to vet them”.  It’s no more
> complicated than that.  Yet, that’s not what fear and the media would like
> you to believe.  To call using common sense to protect your sovereignty
> like being a NAZI is far reaching,
>
>
>
> Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail (offlist)
> with you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago, and the pure evil I
> experienced from Muslims who were in their own eyes, “just normal”.  If
> there is not enough evidence now to justify wise actions to protect
> ourselves domestically from evil factions from permeating the US sovereign
> integrity, then we are really, really missing something.  It IS a cultural
> thing, and it is scary.
>
>
>
> Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a system is
> developed to properly can do that, is reasonable.  Is Trump the most
> eloquent speaker and did he articulate it in a way that the aggressive
> media cannot tear apart?  Absolutely not.
>
>
>
> On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being to
> protect the nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY factions, not just
> Hispanics.  It doesn’t address 75% of the problem.  But it is a start.
> Mexico is discussing the same thing to protect itself from the south.  I
> have zero problem with Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody else.   We employee
> some great Hispanics in my country, and one of them has struggled with the
> legal system on him staying here.  It’s a mess.  He doesn’t support no
> control on immigration.  I play in a Latin band where I am the only gringo
> out of 14 players.  None of them would judge as a racist for trying to look
> at the problem and eliminate the “2% bad element” that does cause 90% of
> the problem for us.   Trump’s comments about some of them back and forth
> from Mexico that have committed horrendous acts, some 

Re: [AFMUG] Ganja

[Jason Wilson]

But you cannot legally purchase until January.

On Nov 9, 2016 8:16 AM,  wrote:

> Now you can legally smoke out in CA without faking a medical condition.
> Congrats, the West Coast of the USA is now unified!  I wonder if this will
> have a negative impact on the quality of software.
>

[AFMUG] Ganja

[chuck]

Now you can legally smoke out in CA without faking a medical condition.  
Congrats, the West Coast of the USA is now unified!  I wonder if this will have 
a negative impact on the quality of software.  

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

[Robert Andrews]

Can't change the password without the password, but you can export in 
plain text all the important rules and copy and paste them out of the 
system before reset and that would get him by.   So yes looking 
everywhere for a recent addresses file would be important.  But I'm 
guessing with this being done for spite, he did it by hand.  When this 
was done in California, a company successfully went to the law and the 
law went to a judge and the judge issued something that compelled said 
offender to log into the machines to undo what he did.   He later went 
to jail over it, but that was after unlocking the machines.  I would go 
that route asap.


On 11/09/2016 07:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

OK, I am lazy, which means I use Winbox, and it has the password stored for 
every Mikrotik I manage.  Plus I use Winbox on several computers - laptops, 
desktops, and computers I remote into.  I take it this guy was not similarly 
lazy?  If I was the fired ex-admin, all you would need is to find one of the 
computers I used Winbox on.  Even if it's not possible to decrypt the stored 
passwords, you could Winbox into every Mikrotik and change the password.

I guess real men use SSH and the CLI.  Oh, and don't store the credentials in 
their SSH client.

Note, it appears Winbox 3 stores the passwords as cleartext in settings.cfg.viw.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 00:24 +, Brett A Mansfield wrote:

I was able to find the backups. Sadly they are running v6.36.

If I default it can I restore its config and change the password or
will it apply the old one?




Google for "mtpass".  That will find the passwords in the backup file.
  If these backups contain the "old" OR the "new" password, when you 
default/restore the backup, the password will be whatever is in that file.


--
Butch Evans
Training and Support for WISPs
702-537-0979
http://store.wispgear.net/
http://www.butchevans.com/

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Jaime Solorza]

Can't respond at moment Sam and Paul... Salient points you bring up and
will give me perspective.. .getting certification on another camera system
family.  A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...

On Nov 9, 2016 8:37 AM, "Sam Morris"  wrote:

> You do know the only party that ever created camps and interred Americans
> was the Democrats, right? And that Carter postponed Muslim immigration
>
> How soon people forget. :)
>
>
> On 11/9/2016 8:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>> So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture terrorist
>> is not racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house Muslims is not
>> racist?  That's how NAZI party got started.. But of course since we
>> don't teach history anymore without editing to make us angelic and
>> perfect how would the uneducated male who helped him win know... Not
>> that they give a shit..
>>
>> Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in
>> sweatshops out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating on wife
>> and children, is not an issue.   What a crock of shit... I weep for our
>> country...
>>
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett" > > wrote:
>>
>> Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration.
>> Those that did not come here legally or have a difficult time
>> discerning legal from illegal immigration ignorantly label the
>> former group as racist.
>>
>> US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a long
>> and difficult process. Those that work for it hate those going for
>> the shortcut.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" > >
>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>>
>> I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I
>> guess. Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia
>> deal. Mauve I am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code
>> language" or whatever.
>>
>> I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our
>> Latino friends think about this?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza
>> > wrote:
>>
>> And Putin is happy.  Wow
>>
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the
>> 1930s and let's Make America White Again theme brought out
>> vote for him.   Many of these rural voters want the country
>> to go 50 years... That's the saddest part.. Time will be the
>> judge... I think the world skipped a beat.Right Wing
>> radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves...
>> And make your own tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor.
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett" > > wrote:
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> <
>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><
>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><
>> https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> > >
>> --
>> --
>> *From: *"Jaime 

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

[Ken Hohhof]

OK, I am lazy, which means I use Winbox, and it has the password stored for 
every Mikrotik I manage.  Plus I use Winbox on several computers - laptops, 
desktops, and computers I remote into.  I take it this guy was not similarly 
lazy?  If I was the fired ex-admin, all you would need is to find one of the 
computers I used Winbox on.  Even if it's not possible to decrypt the stored 
passwords, you could Winbox into every Mikrotik and change the password.

I guess real men use SSH and the CLI.  Oh, and don't store the credentials in 
their SSH client.

Note, it appears Winbox 3 stores the passwords as cleartext in settings.cfg.viw.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 9:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 00:24 +, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
> I was able to find the backups. Sadly they are running v6.36.
> 
> If I default it can I restore its config and change the password or 
> will it apply the old one?
> 
> 

Google for "mtpass".  That will find the passwords in the backup file.
 If these backups contain the "old" OR the "new" password, when you 
default/restore the backup, the password will be whatever is in that file.  


--
Butch Evans
Training and Support for WISPs
702-537-0979
http://store.wispgear.net/
http://www.butchevans.com/

[AFMUG] Logistics

[chuck]

A wall is impractical.  Ladder, shovel, spool of det cord.  The wall stops 
nothing.  People detectors are much more practical.  Give the list members a 
billion dollars and we will have a string of motion sensors and cameras that 
will get ‘er done.  

Vetting for religion or vetting for a particular flavor of radical is so far 
impossible.  We will need some really functional MRI technology and perhaps 
some synapse decoding before that will become possible.

And if someone lies about being a Muslim, how you gonna freeze them out.  No I 
look Arab but I am a Christian...  Can’t vet that.  

But we have seen teen age boys get radicalized over the internet in just a few 
days, so there’s that

From: Paul McCall 
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

Jaime,

 

I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere in 
your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his statements was 
highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.  Instead of listening 
for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took great liberties 
to distort for a story line to support their ratings and liberal agenda.

 

In now particular order…

 

There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come into this 
county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or law.  There is a 
policy to apply for legal immigration.

 

#1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US has a right 
to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be a good 
fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right) to protect 
itself now and in the future.  The US has given up on that for way too long and 
is a very dangerous position because of the relatively small % of “bad apples” 
that have let in completely unchecked.  The is almost no vetting system 
currently, no structure on protecting who comes into the country.

 

That being said…

The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who these 
people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a wise move.  
He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends and those friends were 
essentially, vetted by myself.  Not in a formal action but in getting to know 
them.  They are the first to acknowledge the cold hard facts, that percentage 
wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a very large number.  They 
also support the “freeze” because they don’t want to be blown up either 
randomly at a public place by people that place NO value on your life or 
theirs.  Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent internment camps for Muslims; he said 
simply, we won’t let them in “until we figure out how to deal with some form of 
system to vet them”.  It’s no more complicated than that.  Yet, that’s not what 
fear and the media would like you to believe.  To call using common sense to 
protect your sovereignty like being a NAZI is far reaching,

 

Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail (offlist) with 
you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago, and the pure evil I 
experienced from Muslims who were in their own eyes, “just normal”.  If there 
is not enough evidence now to justify wise actions to protect ourselves 
domestically from evil factions from permeating the US sovereign integrity, 
then we are really, really missing something.  It IS a cultural thing, and it 
is scary.  

 

Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a system is 
developed to properly can do that, is reasonable.  Is Trump the most eloquent 
speaker and did he articulate it in a way that the aggressive media cannot tear 
apart?  Absolutely not.  

 

On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being to protect the 
nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY factions, not just Hispanics.  It 
doesn’t address 75% of the problem.  But it is a start.  Mexico is discussing 
the same thing to protect itself from the south.  I have zero problem with 
Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody else.   We employee some great Hispanics in my 
country, and one of them has struggled with the legal system on him staying 
here.  It’s a mess.  He doesn’t support no control on immigration.  I play in a 
Latin band where I am the only gringo out of 14 players.  None of them would 
judge as a racist for trying to look at the problem and eliminate the “2% bad 
element” that does cause 90% of the problem for us.   Trump’s comments about 
some of them back and forth from Mexico that have committed horrendous acts, 
some repeatedly, with no response on accountability for those shipped back for 
crimes, IS a problem.  Again, did Trump articulate this in a way that didn’t 
offend a larger block of people in the process?  Not a chance.  But, Can he 
start to make changes?  I believe he can.

 

Someone mentioned KKK previously. Trump strongly disavowed their support 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Sam Morris]

You do know the only party that ever created camps and interred 
Americans was the Democrats, right? And that Carter postponed Muslim 
immigration


How soon people forget. :)


On 11/9/2016 8:15 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture terrorist
is not racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house Muslims is not
racist?  That's how NAZI party got started.. But of course since we
don't teach history anymore without editing to make us angelic and
perfect how would the uneducated male who helped him win know... Not
that they give a shit..

Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in
sweatshops out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating on wife
and children, is not an issue.   What a crock of shit... I weep for our
country...


On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:

Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration.
Those that did not come here legally or have a difficult time
discerning legal from illegal immigration ignorantly label the
former group as racist.

US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a long
and difficult process. Those that work for it hate those going for
the shortcut.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Lewis Bergman" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I
guess. Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia
deal. Mauve I am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code
language" or whatever.

I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our
Latino friends think about this?


On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

And Putin is happy.  Wow


On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
>
wrote:

The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the
1930s and let's Make America White Again theme brought out
vote for him.   Many of these rural voters want the country
to go 50 years... That's the saddest part.. Time will be the
judge... I think the world skipped a beat.Right Wing
radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves...
And make your own tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor.

On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:

Huh?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 






*From: *"Jaime Solorza" >
*To: *"Animal Farm" >
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

Proves one thing... We are NOT united states


On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
> wrote:

I guess this proves sometimes 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Robert]

And the other viewpoint would be that under Trump everything might be 
for sale to the highest bidder..  Not that that would have been any 
different under Clinton


On 11/9/16 6:22 AM, Jon Langeler wrote:

+1!

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote:


A Trump president and republican controlled congress is good for
WISPS. I'm looking forward to the next 5 years where the fixed
wireless industry is expected to double in size and hopefully we see
some small business friendly legislation that will allow us to hire
employees and pay less taxes and get away from this Obamacare
nightmare

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Mike Hammett > wrote:

Huh?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jaime Solorza" >
*To: *"Animal Farm" >
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

Proves one thing... We are NOT united states


On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:

I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you
don't know over the devil you do.


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard
> wrote:

Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless


On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
> wrote:

oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are
trying to backpedal and walkback all the nonsense
theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving the door
open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so
they can do another 180. This is probably the best
thing to watch of the night as the reality sets in
that they may have really fu**ed up

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman
> wrote:

The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on
the left, Trump on the right. Is populist = = bad?
Maybe not.


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

Somebody mentioned on the news that "This
wasn't... Trump wasn't
running on a platform of unifying our
country.. he wasn't a unity
candidate. This is going to have very, very
deep consequences across
the board for our country."



On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy
/sarcasm
> wrote:
> they skewed their models hoping the hive mind of the 
public would vote for
> their candidate. they overvalued their influence and 
undervalued the
> internets reach.
> The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never trumpers 
days are numbers, their
> constituents have spoken. America is a better place 
without it.
>
> Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more an 
independent than anything hes
> so across the board on the major issues. He could 
have run an independent
> race but would have just split the right. Even if she 
pulls a last minute
> hail mary and wins it, this is a win for the long 
term of our governance.
> Bernie broke the democrats, they just dont know it, 
2020 is going to be a
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Paul,

Your in a band!?! This is more shocking news than the election results! Where 
can we find the youtube videos?

Sent from my iPhone

Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110

> On Nov 9, 2016, at 10:08 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> 
> Jaime,
>  
> I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere in 
> your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his statements was 
> highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.  Instead of listening 
> for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took great 
> liberties to distort for a story line to support their ratings and liberal 
> agenda.
>  
> In now particular order…
>  
> There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come into 
> this county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or law.  There 
> is a policy to apply for legal immigration.
>  
> #1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US has a 
> right to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be a 
> good fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right) to 
> protect itself now and in the future.  The US has given up on that for way 
> too long and is a very dangerous position because of the relatively small % 
> of “bad apples” that have let in completely unchecked.  The is almost no 
> vetting system currently, no structure on protecting who comes into the 
> country.
>  
> That being said…
> The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who these 
> people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a wise 
> move.  He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends and those friends 
> were essentially, vetted by myself.  Not in a formal action but in getting to 
> know them.  They are the first to acknowledge the cold hard facts, that 
> percentage wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a very large 
> number.  They also support the “freeze” because they don’t want to be blown 
> up either randomly at a public place by people that place NO value on your 
> life or theirs.  Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent internment camps for 
> Muslims; he said simply, we won’t let them in “until we figure out how to 
> deal with some form of system to vet them”.  It’s no more complicated than 
> that.  Yet, that’s not what fear and the media would like you to believe.  To 
> call using common sense to protect your sovereignty like being a NAZI is far 
> reaching,
>  
> Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail (offlist) with 
> you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago, and the pure evil I 
> experienced from Muslims who were in their own eyes, “just normal”.  If there 
> is not enough evidence now to justify wise actions to protect ourselves 
> domestically from evil factions from permeating the US sovereign integrity, 
> then we are really, really missing something.  It IS a cultural thing, and it 
> is scary. 
>  
> Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a system is 
> developed to properly can do that, is reasonable.  Is Trump the most eloquent 
> speaker and did he articulate it in a way that the aggressive media cannot 
> tear apart?  Absolutely not. 
>  
> On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being to protect 
> the nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY factions, not just 
> Hispanics.  It doesn’t address 75% of the problem.  But it is a start.  
> Mexico is discussing the same thing to protect itself from the south.  I have 
> zero problem with Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody else.   We employee some 
> great Hispanics in my country, and one of them has struggled with the legal 
> system on him staying here.  It’s a mess.  He doesn’t support no control on 
> immigration.  I play in a Latin band where I am the only gringo out of 14 
> players.  None of them would judge as a racist for trying to look at the 
> problem and eliminate the “2% bad element” that does cause 90% of the problem 
> for us.   Trump’s comments about some of them back and forth from Mexico that 
> have committed horrendous acts, some repeatedly, with no response on 
> accountability for those shipped back for crimes, IS a problem.  Again, did 
> Trump articulate this in a way that didn’t offend a larger block of people in 
> the process?  Not a chance.  But, Can he start to make changes?  I believe he 
> can.
>  
> Someone mentioned KKK previously. Trump strongly disavowed their support 
> recently. 
>  
> As far as hypocrisy, that certainly is evident based on his past.  I can’t 
> and won’t defend that in itself.  He seems to mean what he says though, 
> without carefully sculptured PC rhetoric, and he has said openly at each 
> example on his business, taxes….  ”Those loopholes shouldn’t exist.  I 
> shouldn’t be allowed exploit those.  I know all these 

Re: [AFMUG] Vote

[Rory Conaway]

The problem with the popular vote though, kind of comes back to what Jefferson 
said,
"Convinced that the people are the only safe depositories of their own liberty, 
and that they are not safe unless enlightened to a certain degree, I have 
looked on our present state of liberty as a short-lived possession unless the 
mass of the people could be informed to a certain degree." --Thomas Jefferson 
to Littleton Waller Tazewell, 1805.

90% of the people in the country really don’t have an intelligent grasp of the 
issues and don’t have the critical thinking skills or the morals/ethics to do 
the right thing.  Just look at any man on the street interviews by both sides.  
They are lucky to find one person who can even recognize a picture of the 
vice-president or have any clue who stands on what side of an issue.

I’m for keeping the electoral college until that gets fixed and we can 
guarantee clean elections.  Terry McAuliffe giving 60,000 felons the right to 
vote days before an election and Barack Obama going on national TV telling 
illegal aliens to vote and there will be no repercussions doesn’t give me 
confidence that the popular vote is a good idea yet.  Not when one party is 
willing to break the law to win.

Rory


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vote


Agreed. Hillary is up 160k with 98% reporting. Around 6 million third party 
votes...

On Nov 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Travis Johnson" > 
wrote:
This election is a perfect example of why the whole Electoral vote should be 
gone. I have been talking about this very issue for over 20 years, and this 
election is a prime example of a flawed system.

I was a Trump supporter, like it or not. I was ready for a change, and could 
not stomach the thought of Hillary being the President. However, if the vote 
was actually based on the popular vote count, Hillary would be our new 
President.

It's amazing how our political system has become so screwed up over the last 
200 years. I am both excited and scared for the next four years.

Travis

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Password reset for inherited network

[Butch Evans]

On Wed, 2016-11-09 at 00:24 +, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
> I was able to find the backups. Sadly they are running v6.36. 
> 
> If I default it can I restore its config and change the password or
> will it apply the old one?
> 
> 

Google for "mtpass".  That will find the passwords in the backup file.
 If these backups contain the "old" OR the "new" password, when you
default/restore the backup, the password will be whatever is in that
file.  


-- 
Butch Evans
Training and Support for WISPs
702-537-0979
http://store.wispgear.net/
http://www.butchevans.com/

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Paul McCall]

Jaime,

I know this is a sensitive issues culturally, and I know you are sincere in 
your concerns.  However, a lot of what was made out of his statements was 
highly exaggerated into PC / political talking points.  Instead of listening 
for actual plans to develop the media way overdid it, and took great liberties 
to distort for a story line to support their ratings and liberal agenda.

In now particular order…

There are NO automatic granted “rights” for people to be able to come into this 
county.  None in the constitution, none in current policy or law.  There is a 
policy to apply for legal immigration.

#1 on any county’s list is “sovereign integrity”.  Meaning, the US has a right 
to real borders, and has a right to not admit those who might not be a good 
fit.  Yep, that is the case and the US has a duty (not just a right) to protect 
itself now and in the future.  The US has given up on that for way too long and 
is a very dangerous position because of the relatively small % of “bad apples” 
that have let in completely unchecked.  The is almost no vetting system 
currently, no structure on protecting who comes into the country.

That being said…
The “freeze” on Muslims immigrating into our country, until we know who these 
people are exactly (and no such vetting system exists), is simply a wise move.  
He never said permanently. I have Muslim friends and those friends were 
essentially, vetted by myself.  Not in a formal action but in getting to know 
them.  They are the first to acknowledge the cold hard facts, that percentage 
wise, the number of extremists in that religion is a very large number.  They 
also support the “freeze” because they don’t want to be blown up either 
randomly at a public place by people that place NO value on your life or 
theirs.  Trump hasn’t spoke of permanent internment camps for Muslims; he said 
simply, we won’t let them in “until we figure out how to deal with some form of 
system to vet them”.  It’s no more complicated than that.  Yet, that’s not what 
fear and the media would like you to believe.  To call using common sense to 
protect your sovereignty like being a NAZI is far reaching,

Not being racist, but being wise, I can glady share in detail (offlist) with 
you my personal experience In Israel 16 years ago, and the pure evil I 
experienced from Muslims who were in their own eyes, “just normal”.  If there 
is not enough evidence now to justify wise actions to protect ourselves 
domestically from evil factions from permeating the US sovereign integrity, 
then we are really, really missing something.  It IS a cultural thing, and it 
is scary.

Since we can’t vet it who is who, a freeze until such time as a system is 
developed to properly can do that, is reasonable.  Is Trump the most eloquent 
speaker and did he articulate it in a way that the aggressive media cannot tear 
apart?  Absolutely not.

On the “wall”, it is a small part, a start if you will, to being to protect the 
nation’s sovereignty from the south from ANY factions, not just Hispanics.  It 
doesn’t address 75% of the problem.  But it is a start.  Mexico is discussing 
the same thing to protect itself from the south.  I have zero problem with 
Mexicans, Hispanics or anybody else.   We employee some great Hispanics in my 
country, and one of them has struggled with the legal system on him staying 
here.  It’s a mess.  He doesn’t support no control on immigration.  I play in a 
Latin band where I am the only gringo out of 14 players.  None of them would 
judge as a racist for trying to look at the problem and eliminate the “2% bad 
element” that does cause 90% of the problem for us.   Trump’s comments about 
some of them back and forth from Mexico that have committed horrendous acts, 
some repeatedly, with no response on accountability for those shipped back for 
crimes, IS a problem.  Again, did Trump articulate this in a way that didn’t 
offend a larger block of people in the process?  Not a chance.  But, Can he 
start to make changes?  I believe he can.

Someone mentioned KKK previously. Trump strongly disavowed their support 
recently.

As far as hypocrisy, that certainly is evident based on his past.  I can’t and 
won’t defend that in itself.  He seems to mean what he says though, without 
carefully sculptured PC rhetoric, and he has said openly at each example on his 
business, taxes….  ”Those loopholes shouldn’t exist.  I shouldn’t be allowed 
exploit those.  I know all these because I have taken advantage of most of 
them.  Now, let’s created legislation that STOPS ME from doing so!”  I believe 
his intentions are good in that stance.

As far as who voted for Trump yesterday, obviously a LOT of people who tired 
enough of being PC, that when they went in the voting booth and “flipped that 
lever” for something other than the PC garbage that has swarmed a country and 
been completely ineffective, yet incredibly divisive for the past 8 years.

I would say give him a chance.  I don’t 

Re: [AFMUG] Vote

[Cameron Crum]

There are many reasons why a popular vote would be terrible. The urban
centers would basically make slaves out of the rural and farming sectors of
the country. Look at the distribution of counties and how they voted. The
more generally liberal urban centers pretty much all voted for Hillary. As
companies who make their living for the most part serving rural
communities, I would think Wisps would have their interests at heart. Small
businesses and family farmers have been getting the shaft for a lot of
years. Urban dwellers don't understand because the majority are not
business owners. They live in a bubble.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> This election is a perfect example of why the whole Electoral vote should
> be gone. I have been talking about this very issue for over 20 years, and
> this election is a prime example of a flawed system.
>
> I was a Trump supporter, like it or not. I was ready for a change, and
> could not stomach the thought of Hillary being the President. However, if
> the vote was actually based on the popular vote count, Hillary would be our
> new President.
>
> It's amazing how our political system has become so screwed up over the
> last 200 years. I am both excited and scared for the next four years.
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Rory Conaway]

Yea except that Arizona passed a minimum wage bill.  More economic ignoramuses 
telling me how to run my business.  For the record, everyone in my company 
makes more than what they voted for already but the idea of students or summer 
interns coming in is gone.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 5:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

A Trump president and republican controlled congress is good for WISPS. I'm 
looking forward to the next 5 years where the fixed wireless industry is 
expected to double in size and hopefully we see some small business friendly 
legislation that will allow us to hire employees and pay less taxes and get 
away from this Obamacare nightmare

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
Huh?


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From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>
To: "Animal Farm" >
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

Proves one thing... We are NOT united states

On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:

I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know over the 
devil you do.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard 
> wrote:

Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless

On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal and 
walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving the door 
open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do another 180. 
This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the reality sets in 
that they may have really fu**ed up

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:

The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the right. 
Is populist = = bad? Maybe not.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
Somebody mentioned on the news that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't
running on a platform of unifying our country.. he wasn't a unity
candidate. This is going to have very, very deep consequences across
the board for our country."



On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:
> they skewed their models hoping the hive mind of the public would vote for
> their candidate. they overvalued their influence and undervalued the
> internets reach.
> The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never trumpers days are numbers, their
> constituents have spoken. America is a better place without it.
>
> Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more an independent than anything hes
> so across the board on the major issues. He could have run an independent
> race but would have just split the right. Even if she pulls a last minute
> hail mary and wins it, this is a win for the long term of our governance.
> Bernie broke the democrats, they just dont know it, 2020 is going to be a
> hell of a race
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> > wrote:
>>
>> If a Democrat were to have won this Presidency, it would have been the
>> first 3 consecutive terms since that happened beyond the middle of the
>> century. The polling people are freaking out, as all of their modeling has
>> been quite far off. This has been MUCH closer than any of them expected.
>>
>> Recreational and medical marijuana is growing as well.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Vote

[Josh Reynolds]

Agreed. Hillary is up 160k with 98% reporting. Around 6 million third party
votes...

On Nov 9, 2016 8:54 AM, "Travis Johnson"  wrote:

> This election is a perfect example of why the whole Electoral vote should
> be gone. I have been talking about this very issue for over 20 years, and
> this election is a prime example of a flawed system.
>
> I was a Trump supporter, like it or not. I was ready for a change, and
> could not stomach the thought of Hillary being the President. However, if
> the vote was actually based on the popular vote count, Hillary would be our
> new President.
>
> It's amazing how our political system has become so screwed up over the
> last 200 years. I am both excited and scared for the next four years.
>
> Travis
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Rory Conaway]

Even Fox News said he was going to lose.  Pretty amazing.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Morris
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 7:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

This is the same media who has been saying all along that Trump was not going 
to win.

We know how that turned out.

On 11/9/2016 2:32 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
> The media by the way is actually saying the words: economies all over 
> the world have collapsed as a result of the outcome of this election,
>   nothing suspect about that kind of reporting

[AFMUG] Vote

[Travis Johnson]

This election is a perfect example of why the whole Electoral vote 
should be gone. I have been talking about this very issue for over 20 
years, and this election is a prime example of a flawed system.


I was a Trump supporter, like it or not. I was ready for a change, and 
could not stomach the thought of Hillary being the President. However, 
if the vote was actually based on the popular vote count, Hillary would 
be our new President.


It's amazing how our political system has become so screwed up over the 
last 200 years. I am both excited and scared for the next four years.


Travis

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Sam Morris]

This is the same media who has been saying all along that Trump was not 
going to win.


We know how that turned out.

On 11/9/2016 2:32 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

The media by the way is actually saying the words: economies all over
the world have collapsed as a result of the outcome of this election,
  nothing suspect about that kind of reporting

Re: [AFMUG] MAC Telnet on ePMP 3.1

[Nate Burke]

I think the user/password is done locally before any communication is 
done with the remote device.  I know that when I have a Tik that is 
locked up, but still showing in the neighbor list, mactelnet will always 
ask user/pass, but then fail when trying to connect.


I always through mac-telnet was Tik proprietary.

On 11/9/2016 8:03 AM, Paul McCall wrote:


Installed 3.1 on 1 tower of ePMPs.  The GUI is much quicker now.  I 
still wouldn�t call it fast but a huge improvement.  Good job Cambium.


By default MAC-Telnet is enabled and the radios show up in IP 
Neighbors on a Mikrotik.  When we trying connecting we get challenged 
for Login (then password) and the normal password for the Admin 
account get rejected.


Am I missing something?

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800

pa...@pdmnet.net 

www.pdmnet.com 

www.floridabroadband.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Sam Morris]

There is no rape case against Trump. And show me a man who says he's 
never checked out a hot woman, and I'll show you a liar.


On 11/8/2016 11:59 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Nothing anyone says about Trump will change my mind about him or Bill
Clinton Men who cheat are worthless... Men who gawk at daughters are
a piece of shit... So what happens now, with lawsuits against him?  And
rape hearing in December?   I tired of this whole thing... Oh yes BTW
Fuck Trump


On Nov 8, 2016 10:29 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
> wrote:

either result would have proven that

I will say this though, Ill do my best if he wins to stay in the
WISP industry for 4 more years just to come back and see youre VOTE
TRUMP tagline Jaime. I think once the dust settles and the media
bias subsides, youll see the candidate in a different light, and
over the next 4 years the crow will become a gourmet meal.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

Proves one thing... We are NOT united states


On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
> wrote:

I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you
don't know over the devil you do.


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard
> wrote:

Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless


On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
> wrote:

oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are
trying to backpedal and walkback all the nonsense
theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving the door
open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so
they can do another 180. This is probably the best
thing to watch of the night as the reality sets in
that they may have really fu**ed up

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman
> wrote:

The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on
the left, Trump on the right. Is populist = =
bad? Maybe not.


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

Somebody mentioned on the news that "This
wasn't... Trump wasn't
running on a platform of unifying our
country.. he wasn't a unity
candidate. This is going to have very, very
deep consequences across
the board for our country."



On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One
Guy /sarcasm
> wrote:
 > they skewed their models hoping the hive
mind of the public would vote for
 > their candidate. they overvalued their
influence and undervalued the
 > internets reach.
 > The GOP is dead, thats good, all the
never trumpers days are numbers, their
 > constituents have spoken. America is a
better place without it.
 >
 > Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes
more an independent than anything hes
 > so across the board on the major issues.
He could have run an independent
 > race but would have just split the right.
Even if she pulls a last minute
 > hail mary and wins it, this is a win for
the long term of our governance.
 > Bernie broke the democrats, they just
dont know it, 2020 is going to be a
 > hell of a race
 >
 > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh
Reynolds > wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Mike Hammett]

Not all Mexicans were called rapists and not all Muslims were called 
terrorists. It's simple ensuring nothing is getting through unaccounted for and 
then ensuring that you have as complete knowledge as you can on someone before 
giving them the keys to the kingdom. Everyone should be for that. 

Interment camps? First I've heard of that happening outside of tin foil hat 
wearers and FEMA. Internment camps, like FDR's? 

Uneducated simply means without an increasingly worthless college degree. 

You've been baited, Jaime, hook, line and sinker. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:15:36 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day 


So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture terrorist is not 
racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house Muslims is not racist? That's 
how NAZI party got started.. But of course since we don't teach history anymore 
without editing to make us angelic and perfect how would the uneducated male 
who helped him win know... Not that they give a shit.. 
Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in sweatshops 
out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating on wife and children, is 
not an issue. What a crock of shit... I weep for our country... 


On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration. Those that 
did not come here legally or have a difficult time discerning legal from 
illegal immigration ignorantly label the former group as racist. 

US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a long and 
difficult process. Those that work for it hate those going for the shortcut. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day 


I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I guess. Maybe I 
want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia deal. Mauve I am just 
insensitive to what is interpreted as"code language" or whatever. 
I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our Latino 
friends think about this? 


On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: 



And Putin is happy. Wow 




On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: 





The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the 1930s and let's Make 
America White Again theme brought out vote for him. Many of these rural voters 
want the country to go 50 years... That's the saddest part.. Time will be the 
judge... I think the world skipped a beat. Right Wing radioheads and KKK guys 
probably came all over themselves... And make your own tamales.. They will be 
bland with no flavor. 







On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 












Huh? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day 


Proves one thing... We are NOT united states 


On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know over the 
devil you do. 


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless 


On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal and 
walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving the door 
open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do another 180. 
This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the reality sets in 
that they may have really fu**ed up 


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the right. 
Is populist = = bad? Maybe not. 




On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 


Somebody mentioned on the news that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't 
running on a platform of unifying our country.. he wasn't a unity 
candidate. This is going to have very, very deep consequences across 
the board for our country." 



On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
< thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> they skewed 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Jon Langeler]

+1!

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Nov 9, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> A Trump president and republican controlled congress is good for WISPS. I'm 
> looking forward to the next 5 years where the fixed wireless industry is 
> expected to double in size and hopefully we see some small business friendly 
> legislation that will allow us to hire employees and pay less taxes and get 
> away from this Obamacare nightmare
> 
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> Huh?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>> 
>> Proves one thing... We are NOT united states
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>> I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know over 
>>> the devil you do.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
 Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
  wrote:
 oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal and 
 walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving the 
 door open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do 
 another 180. This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the 
 reality sets in that they may have really fu**ed up
 
 On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman  
 wrote:
 The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the 
 right. Is populist = = bad? Maybe not.
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
 Somebody mentioned on the news that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't
 running on a platform of unifying our country.. he wasn't a unity
 candidate. This is going to have very, very deep consequences across
 the board for our country."
 
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
  wrote:
 > they skewed their models hoping the hive mind of the public would vote 
 > for
 > their candidate. they overvalued their influence and undervalued the
 > internets reach.
 > The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never trumpers days are numbers, 
 > their
 > constituents have spoken. America is a better place without it.
 >
 > Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more an independent than anything 
 > hes
 > so across the board on the major issues. He could have run an independent
 > race but would have just split the right. Even if she pulls a last minute
 > hail mary and wins it, this is a win for the long term of our governance.
 > Bernie broke the democrats, they just dont know it, 2020 is going to be a
 > hell of a race
 >
 > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds  
 > wrote:
 >>
 >> If a Democrat were to have won this Presidency, it would have been the
 >> first 3 consecutive terms since that happened beyond the middle of the
 >> century. The polling people are freaking out, as all of their modeling 
 >> has
 >> been quite far off. This has been MUCH closer than any of them expected.
 >>
 >> Recreational and medical marijuana is growing as well.
 >>
 >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
 >> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> They called Wisconsin for Trump A Republican hasn't won here since
 >>> 1984
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
 
  Dow futures down near 700 points. GOP commentator on the tv is saying
  "The party of Regan is dead. The GOP had become an empty vessel, and 
  it was
  filled up with Trumpish. NATO partners are nervous. We really don't 
  know
  what Trump's policies would be if elected as President".
 
  This is a fascinating election.
 
  On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Cassidy B. Larson 
  wrote:
 >
 > We’re up quite a bit.  Lots of Google/Akamai cache streams. Upstreams
 > are up as well.
 >
 >
 > On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
 >  wrote:
 >
 > they can be the beta testers for the walls
 >
 > suprisingly my network is down right now about 40 percent usage, i
 > 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Jaime Solorza]

So calling a culture rapists is not racist.. Calling a culture terrorist is
not racist.. Build a wall, internment camps to house Muslims is not
racist?  That's how NAZI party got started.. But of course since we don't
teach history anymore without editing to make us angelic and perfect how
would the uneducated male who helped him win know... Not that they give a
shit..

Talking about jobs leaving US when you make suits and clothing in
sweatshops out of Asia, welching on deals and contacts, cheating on wife
and children, is not an issue.   What a crock of shit... I weep for our
country...

On Nov 9, 2016 7:06 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration. Those
> that did not come here legally or have a difficult time discerning legal
> from illegal immigration ignorantly label the former group as racist.
>
> US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a long and
> difficult process. Those that work for it hate those going for the shortcut.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>
> I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I guess.
> Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia deal. Mauve I
> am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code language" or whatever.
>
> I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our
> Latino friends think about this?
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> And Putin is happy.  Wow
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the  1930s and let's
>> Make America White Again theme brought out vote for him.   Many of these
>> rural voters want the country to go 50 years... That's the saddest part..
>> Time will be the judge... I think the world skipped a beat.Right Wing
>> radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves... And make your
>> own tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor.
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>>
>> Proves one thing... We are NOT united states
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>> I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know over
>> the devil you do.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>> Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal
>> and walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving
>> the door open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do
>> another 180. This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the
>> reality sets in that they may have really fu**ed up
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the
>> right. Is populist = = bad? Maybe not.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> Somebody 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Jay Weekley]

Anyone that has talked to someone that is trying to get US citizenship 
the right way knows what you are talking about.  Somehow certain groups 
are selected for expedited citizenship.


Mike Hammett wrote:
Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration. 
Those that did not come here legally or have a difficult time 
discerning legal from illegal immigration ignorantly label the former 
group as racist.


US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a long 
and difficult process. Those that work for it hate those going for the 
shortcut.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I guess. 
Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia deal. 
Mauve I am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code language" 
or whatever.


I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our 
Latino friends think about this?



On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza > wrote:


And Putin is happy.  Wow


On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:

The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the 
1930s and let's Make America White Again theme brought out

vote for him.   Many of these rural voters want the country to
go 50 years... That's the saddest part.. Time will be the
judge... I think the world skipped a beat.Right Wing
radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves...
And make your own tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor.

On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:

Huh?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 






*From: *"Jaime Solorza" >
*To: *"Animal Farm" >
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

Proves one thing... We are NOT united states


On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"
>
wrote:

I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil
you don't know over the devil you do.


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard
>
wrote:

Just watching the fear on those people's faces is
priceless


On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
> wrote:

oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks
are trying to backpedal and walkback all the
nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre
leaving the door open to not go too far if
hillary still flips its so they can do another
180. This is probably the best thing to watch
of the night as the reality sets in that they
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Josh Reynolds]

Talking to several of them now. Also an African, and a guy from Puerto Rico
- all coworkers.

They are legitimately terrified. All are us citizens. They say they are
tired of getting profiled... Pulled over all the time just to have their
vehicles searched and then be let go.

I didn't realize it was that bad.

On Nov 9, 2016 8:03 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I guess.
> Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia deal. Mauve I
> am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code language" or whatever.
>
> I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our
> Latino friends think about this?
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> And Putin is happy.  Wow
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the  1930s and let's
>> Make America White Again theme brought out vote for him.   Many of these
>> rural voters want the country to go 50 years... That's the saddest part..
>> Time will be the judge... I think the world skipped a beat.Right Wing
>> radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves... And make your
>> own tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor.
>>
>> On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>> Huh?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>>
>> Proves one thing... We are NOT united states
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>> I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know over
>> the devil you do.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>> Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal
>> and walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving
>> the door open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do
>> another 180. This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the
>> reality sets in that they may have really fu**ed up
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the
>> right. Is populist = = bad? Maybe not.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> Somebody mentioned on the news that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't
>> running on a platform of unifying our country.. he wasn't a unity
>> candidate. This is going to have very, very deep consequences across
>> the board for our country."
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>> > they skewed their models hoping the hive mind of the public would vote
>> for
>> > their candidate. they overvalued their influence and undervalued the
>> > internets reach.
>> > The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never trumpers days are numbers,
>> their
>> > constituents have spoken. America is a better place without it.
>> >
>> > Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more an independent than
>> anything hes
>> > so across the board on the major issues. He could have run an
>> independent
>> > race but would have just split the right. Even if she pulls a last
>> minute
>> > hail mary and wins it, this is a win for the long term of our
>> governance.
>> > Bernie broke the democrats, they just dont know it, 2020 is going to be
>> a
>> > hell of a race
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If a Democrat were to have won this Presidency, it would have been the
>> >> first 3 consecutive terms since that happened beyond the middle of the
>> >> century. The polling people are freaking out, as all of their modeling
>> has
>> >> been quite far off. This has been MUCH closer than any of them
>> expected.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Jay Weekley]

You took the words right out of my mouth. We had 25 to 30 candidates 
from both sides at one point but our choice came to Clinton and Trump.


Brett A Mansfield wrote:
I keep hoping that I'm going to wake up to find I've been in a coma or 
sleeping and having the worst nightmare imaginable. How the hell did 
Trump not only become the nominee, but actually won the presidency. 
This moron that I used to make fun of on reality TV is now the 
President Elect??? WTF?


But I'd have a similar thought if Hillary won.

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

On Nov 9, 2016, at 12:49 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:



trump actually looks fearful, a mix of WTF and im about to get shot

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 1:35 AM, Robert > wrote:


The interesting thing is how well Michael Moore nailed it
two-three months ago...Nobody wanted to listen to him, but
all 5 points are what got executed on.


http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/



On 11/8/16 10:17 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Huh...well Jamie. I can only day that thank God this nation
is more than
just one elected official. No matter who wins I am convinced
we will
survive it.


On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 12:15 AM That One Guy /sarcasm

>> wrote:

lol, the "rape" allegations were rescinded, for the third
time now.
Youll come around, hes potentially got 4 years to grow on
you. Once
you see the people you know who are undocumented coming
back through
the wall and being able to actually have a life in the
US, youll
soften. Hell, we will have so many mexicans by the time
hes done
mexico will be begging them to come back cause all they
have left
are the rapists trump kicked out. But we wont let them
go, because
we will have the best tamales

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:59 PM, Jaime Solorza

>> wrote:

Nothing anyone says about Trump will change my mind
about him or
Bill Clinton Men who cheat are worthless... Men
who gawk at
daughters are a piece of shit... So what happens now,
with
lawsuits against him?  And rape hearing in December? 
 I tired

of this whole thing... Oh yes BTW Fuck Trump


On Nov 8, 2016 10:29 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"

>>
wrote:

either result would have proven that

I will say this though, Ill do my best if he wins
to stay in
the WISP industry for 4 more years just to come
back and see
youre VOTE TRUMP tagline Jaime. I think once the dust
settles and the media bias subsides, youll see
the candidate
in a different light, and over the next 4 years
the crow
will become a gourmet meal.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:26 PM, Jaime Solorza

>> wrote:

Proves one thing... We are NOT united states


On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"

>> wrote:

I guess this proves sometimes people
prefer the
devil you don't know over the devil you do.


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard
 >>
wrote:

Just watching the fear on those
people's faces
is priceless


On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One
Guy /sarcasm"

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Mike Hammett]

Those that came to the US legally are against illegal immigration. Those that 
did not come here legally or have a difficult time discerning legal from 
illegal immigration ignorantly label the former group as racist. 

US citizenship is a proud moment in an applicants life. It is a long and 
difficult process. Those that work for it hate those going for the shortcut. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Lewis Bergman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 8:03:03 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day 


I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I guess. Maybe I 
want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia deal. Mauve I am just 
insensitive to what is interpreted as"code language" or whatever. 
I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our Latino 
friends think about this? 


On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: 



And Putin is happy. Wow 




On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > wrote: 





The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the 1930s and let's Make 
America White Again theme brought out vote for him. Many of these rural voters 
want the country to go 50 years... That's the saddest part.. Time will be the 
judge... I think the world skipped a beat. Right Wing radioheads and KKK guys 
probably came all over themselves... And make your own tamales.. They will be 
bland with no flavor. 







On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 












Huh? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day 


Proves one thing... We are NOT united states 


On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote: 



I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know over the 
devil you do. 


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless 


On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal and 
walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving the door 
open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do another 180. 
This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the reality sets in 
that they may have really fu**ed up 


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the right. 
Is populist = = bad? Maybe not. 




On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 


Somebody mentioned on the news that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't 
running on a platform of unifying our country.. he wasn't a unity 
candidate. This is going to have very, very deep consequences across 
the board for our country." 



On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
< thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> they skewed their models hoping the hive mind of the public would vote for 
> their candidate. they overvalued their influence and undervalued the 
> internets reach. 
> The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never trumpers days are numbers, their 
> constituents have spoken. America is a better place without it. 
> 
> Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more an independent than anything hes 
> so across the board on the major issues. He could have run an independent 
> race but would have just split the right. Even if she pulls a last minute 
> hail mary and wins it, this is a win for the long term of our governance. 
> Bernie broke the democrats, they just dont know it, 2020 is going to be a 
> hell of a race 
> 
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
> wrote: 
>> 
>> If a Democrat were to have won this Presidency, it would have been the 
>> first 3 consecutive terms since that happened beyond the middle of the 
>> century. The polling people are freaking out, as all of their modeling has 
>> been quite far off. This has been MUCH closer than any of them expected. 
>> 
>> Recreational and medical marijuana is growing as well. 
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > 
>> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> They called Wisconsin for Trump A Republican hasn't won here since 
>>> 1984 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote: 
 
 Dow futures down near 700 points. GOP commentator on the tv is saying 
 "The 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Jay Weekley]

There was so much more to the election than whitey hates Mexicans and 
blacks.  If you had just chosen Sanders he probably would have won by a 
huge margin.  Both parties chose the worst possible candidate and this 
election was the result.  A deep analysis would probably find, in my 
opinion, that they voted for the least worst.


Jaime Solorza wrote:


The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the  1930s and 
let's Make America White Again theme brought out vote for him.   Many 
of these rural voters want the country to go 50 years... That's the 
saddest part.. Time will be the judge... I think the world skipped a 
beat.Right Wing radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over 
themselves... And make your own tamales.. They will be bland with no 
flavor.



On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett" > wrote:


Huh?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Jaime Solorza" >
*To: *"Animal Farm" >
*Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

Proves one thing... We are NOT united states


On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:

I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you
don't know over the devil you do.


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard
> wrote:

Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless


On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
> wrote:

oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are
trying to backpedal and walkback all the nonsense
theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving the door
open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so
they can do another 180. This is probably the best
thing to watch of the night as the reality sets in
that they may have really fu**ed up

On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman
> wrote:

The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on
the left, Trump on the right. Is populist = = bad?
Maybe not.


On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

Somebody mentioned on the news that "This
wasn't... Trump wasn't
running on a platform of unifying our
country.. he wasn't a unity
candidate. This is going to have very, very
deep consequences across
the board for our country."



On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy
/sarcasm
> wrote:
> they skewed their models hoping the hive
mind of the public would vote for
> their candidate. they overvalued their
influence and undervalued the
> internets reach.
> The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never
trumpers days are numbers, their
> constituents have spoken. America is a
better place without it.
>
> Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more
an independent than anything hes
> so across the board on the major issues. He
could have run an independent
> race but would have just split the right.
Even if she pulls a 

[AFMUG] MAC Telnet on ePMP 3.1

[Paul McCall]

Installed 3.1 on 1 tower of ePMPs.  The GUI is much quicker now.  I still 
wouldn't call it fast but a huge improvement.  Good job Cambium.

By default MAC-Telnet is enabled and the radios show up in IP Neighbors on a 
Mikrotik.  When we trying connecting we get challenged for Login (then 
password) and the normal password for the Admin account get rejected.

Am I missing something?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Lewis Bergman]

I guess I don't get the whole racist thing because I am white I guess.
Maybe I want paying attention. I get the whole Islamophobia deal. Mauve I
am just insensitive to what is interpreted as"code language" or whatever.

I thought I saw that 30% of Latino voters voted for him. What do our Latino
friends think about this?

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016, 7:23 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> And Putin is happy.  Wow
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
>
> The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the  1930s and let's
> Make America White Again theme brought out vote for him.   Many of these
> rural voters want the country to go 50 years... That's the saddest part..
> Time will be the judge... I think the world skipped a beat.Right Wing
> radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves... And make your
> own tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor.
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
> Huh?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>
> Proves one thing... We are NOT united states
>
> On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know over
> the devil you do.
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless
>
> On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal and
> walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving the
> door open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do
> another 180. This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the
> reality sets in that they may have really fu**ed up
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
> The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the
> right. Is populist = = bad? Maybe not.
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>
> Somebody mentioned on the news that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't
> running on a platform of unifying our country.. he wasn't a unity
> candidate. This is going to have very, very deep consequences across
> the board for our country."
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>  wrote:
> > they skewed their models hoping the hive mind of the public would vote
> for
> > their candidate. they overvalued their influence and undervalued the
> > internets reach.
> > The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never trumpers days are numbers,
> their
> > constituents have spoken. America is a better place without it.
> >
> > Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more an independent than anything
> hes
> > so across the board on the major issues. He could have run an independent
> > race but would have just split the right. Even if she pulls a last minute
> > hail mary and wins it, this is a win for the long term of our governance.
> > Bernie broke the democrats, they just dont know it, 2020 is going to be a
> > hell of a race
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> If a Democrat were to have won this Presidency, it would have been the
> >> first 3 consecutive terms since that happened beyond the middle of the
> >> century. The polling people are freaking out, as all of their modeling
> has
> >> been quite far off. This has been MUCH closer than any of them expected.
> >>
> >> Recreational and medical marijuana is growing as well.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> They called Wisconsin for Trump A Republican hasn't won here since
> >>> 1984
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
> 
>  Dow futures down near 700 points. GOP commentator on the tv is saying
>  "The party of Regan is dead. The GOP had become an empty vessel, and
> it was
>  filled 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Jaime Solorza]

And Putin is happy.  Wow

On Nov 9, 2016 6:21 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the  1930s and let's
> Make America White Again theme brought out vote for him.   Many of these
> rural voters want the country to go 50 years... That's the saddest part..
> Time will be the judge... I think the world skipped a beat.Right Wing
> radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves... And make your
> own tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor.
>
> On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> Huh?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>>
>> Proves one thing... We are NOT united states
>>
>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know
>>> over the devil you do.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless

 On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

 oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal
 and walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving
 the door open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do
 another 180. This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the
 reality sets in that they may have really fu**ed up

 On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

 The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the
 right. Is populist = = bad? Maybe not.

 On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:

 Somebody mentioned on the news that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't
 running on a platform of unifying our country.. he wasn't a unity
 candidate. This is going to have very, very deep consequences across
 the board for our country."



 On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
  wrote:
 > they skewed their models hoping the hive mind of the public would
 vote for
 > their candidate. they overvalued their influence and undervalued the
 > internets reach.
 > The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never trumpers days are numbers,
 their
 > constituents have spoken. America is a better place without it.
 >
 > Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more an independent than
 anything hes
 > so across the board on the major issues. He could have run an
 independent
 > race but would have just split the right. Even if she pulls a last
 minute
 > hail mary and wins it, this is a win for the long term of our
 governance.
 > Bernie broke the democrats, they just dont know it, 2020 is going to
 be a
 > hell of a race
 >
 > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> If a Democrat were to have won this Presidency, it would have been
 the
 >> first 3 consecutive terms since that happened beyond the middle of
 the
 >> century. The polling people are freaking out, as all of their
 modeling has
 >> been quite far off. This has been MUCH closer than any of them
 expected.
 >>
 >> Recreational and medical marijuana is growing as well.
 >>
 >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
 >> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> They called Wisconsin for Trump A Republican hasn't won here
 since
 >>> 1984
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
 wrote:
 
  Dow futures down near 700 points. GOP commentator on the tv is
 saying
  "The party of Regan is dead. The GOP had become an empty vessel,
 and it was
  filled up with Trumpish. NATO partners are nervous. We really
 don't know
  what Trump's 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Jaime Solorza]

The fears he played to, like someone we know back in the  1930s and let's
Make America White Again theme brought out vote for him.   Many of these
rural voters want the country to go 50 years... That's the saddest part..
Time will be the judge... I think the world skipped a beat.Right Wing
radioheads and KKK guys probably came all over themselves... And make your
own tamales.. They will be bland with no flavor.

On Nov 9, 2016 5:11 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Huh?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>
> Proves one thing... We are NOT united states
>
> On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know over
>> the devil you do.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal
>>> and walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving
>>> the door open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do
>>> another 180. This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the
>>> reality sets in that they may have really fu**ed up
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the
>>> right. Is populist = = bad? Maybe not.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Somebody mentioned on the news that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't
>>> running on a platform of unifying our country.. he wasn't a unity
>>> candidate. This is going to have very, very deep consequences across
>>> the board for our country."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>  wrote:
>>> > they skewed their models hoping the hive mind of the public would vote
>>> for
>>> > their candidate. they overvalued their influence and undervalued the
>>> > internets reach.
>>> > The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never trumpers days are numbers,
>>> their
>>> > constituents have spoken. America is a better place without it.
>>> >
>>> > Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more an independent than
>>> anything hes
>>> > so across the board on the major issues. He could have run an
>>> independent
>>> > race but would have just split the right. Even if she pulls a last
>>> minute
>>> > hail mary and wins it, this is a win for the long term of our
>>> governance.
>>> > Bernie broke the democrats, they just dont know it, 2020 is going to
>>> be a
>>> > hell of a race
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> If a Democrat were to have won this Presidency, it would have been the
>>> >> first 3 consecutive terms since that happened beyond the middle of the
>>> >> century. The polling people are freaking out, as all of their
>>> modeling has
>>> >> been quite far off. This has been MUCH closer than any of them
>>> expected.
>>> >>
>>> >> Recreational and medical marijuana is growing as well.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> They called Wisconsin for Trump A Republican hasn't won here
>>> since
>>> >>> 1984
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Dow futures down near 700 points. GOP commentator on the tv is
>>> saying
>>>  "The party of Regan is dead. The GOP had become an empty vessel,
>>> and it was
>>>  filled up with Trumpish. NATO partners are nervous. We really don't
>>> know
>>>  what Trump's policies would be if elected as President".
>>> 
>>>  This is a fascinating election.
>>> 
>>>  On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <
>>> c...@infowest.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We’re up quite a bit.  Lots of 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day

[Kurt Fankhauser]

A Trump president and republican controlled congress is good for WISPS. I'm
looking forward to the next 5 years where the fixed wireless industry is
expected to double in size and hopefully we see some small business
friendly legislation that will allow us to hire employees and pay less
taxes and get away from this Obamacare nightmare

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Huh?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:26:15 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: early reporting on Election Day
>
> Proves one thing... We are NOT united states
>
> On Nov 8, 2016 10:23 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> I guess this proves sometimes people prefer the devil you don't know over
>> the devil you do.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:20 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> Just watching the fear on those people's faces is priceless
>>>
>>> On Nov 8, 2016 11:12 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> oh, this is so funny to watch, the media folks are trying to backpedal
>>> and walkback all the nonsense theyve pulled this year, but theyre leaving
>>> the door open to not go too far if hillary still flips its so they can do
>>> another 180. This is probably the best thing to watch of the night as the
>>> reality sets in that they may have really fu**ed up
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The whole "populist" candidate thing...Bernie on the left, Trump on the
>>> right. Is populist = = bad? Maybe not.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016, 11:01 PM Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Somebody mentioned on the news that "This wasn't... Trump wasn't
>>> running on a platform of unifying our country.. he wasn't a unity
>>> candidate. This is going to have very, very deep consequences across
>>> the board for our country."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>>  wrote:
>>> > they skewed their models hoping the hive mind of the public would vote
>>> for
>>> > their candidate. they overvalued their influence and undervalued the
>>> > internets reach.
>>> > The GOP is dead, thats good, all the never trumpers days are numbers,
>>> their
>>> > constituents have spoken. America is a better place without it.
>>> >
>>> > Remember, trump isnt a republican, hes more an independent than
>>> anything hes
>>> > so across the board on the major issues. He could have run an
>>> independent
>>> > race but would have just split the right. Even if she pulls a last
>>> minute
>>> > hail mary and wins it, this is a win for the long term of our
>>> governance.
>>> > Bernie broke the democrats, they just dont know it, 2020 is going to
>>> be a
>>> > hell of a race
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> If a Democrat were to have won this Presidency, it would have been the
>>> >> first 3 consecutive terms since that happened beyond the middle of the
>>> >> century. The polling people are freaking out, as all of their
>>> modeling has
>>> >> been quite far off. This has been MUCH closer than any of them
>>> expected.
>>> >>
>>> >> Recreational and medical marijuana is growing as well.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:43 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> They called Wisconsin for Trump A Republican hasn't won here
>>> since
>>> >>> 1984
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Nov 8, 2016 10:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Dow futures down near 700 points. GOP commentator on the tv is
>>> saying
>>>  "The party of Regan is dead. The GOP had become an empty vessel,
>>> and it was
>>>  filled up with Trumpish. NATO partners are nervous. We really don't
>>> know
>>>  what Trump's policies would be if elected as President".
>>> 
>>>  This is a fascinating election.
>>> 
>>>  On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <
>>> c...@infowest.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > We’re up quite a bit.  Lots of Google/Akamai cache streams.
>>> Upstreams
>>> > are up as well.
>>>