Re: [AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting

[Josh Reynolds]

Controller does, dunno if they are using that

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> Does it support masking. We had a bear of a time at a factory til we
> realised a clipboard that had paper onnit fluttered enoug from a fan to trip
> md even though you couldnt really see it on the low res monitor.
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2017 10:30 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>
> Gen3 ?
>
> Gen 2s always had an issue for us the night vision would trip motion
>
> for fly s and mosquito s.
>
> We finally put a yellow lamp near the cam and bugs went away
>
> (grams remedy for bugs in MN at night)
>
> shocked as I was
>
> Mitch
>
>
>
>
> On 8/30/2017 9:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> One of the cameras at Fabens Waste Water Treatment Plant is triggering
>> night time recordings that manager asked me investigate and minimize.  I
>> changed sensitivity to 15 from 50. But I doubt it will help.  Airvision Pro
>> Cameras. I will check video on Friday.  Ideas?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting

[Steve Jones]

Does it support masking. We had a bear of a time at a factory til we
realised a clipboard that had paper onnit fluttered enoug from a fan to
trip md even though you couldnt really see it on the low res monitor.


On Aug 30, 2017 10:30 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:

Gen3 ?

Gen 2s always had an issue for us the night vision would trip motion

for fly s and mosquito s.

We finally put a yellow lamp near the cam and bugs went away

(grams remedy for bugs in MN at night)

shocked as I was

Mitch




On 8/30/2017 9:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

> One of the cameras at Fabens Waste Water Treatment Plant is triggering
> night time recordings that manager asked me investigate and minimize.  I
> changed sensitivity to 15 from 50. But I doubt it will help.  Airvision Pro
> Cameras. I will check video on Friday.  Ideas?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting

[Mitch Koep]

Gen3 ?

Gen 2s always had an issue for us the night vision would trip motion

for fly s and mosquito s.

We finally put a yellow lamp near the cam and bugs went away

(grams remedy for bugs in MN at night)

shocked as I was

Mitch



On 8/30/2017 9:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
One of the cameras at Fabens Waste Water Treatment Plant is triggering 
night time recordings that manager asked me investigate and minimize.  
I changed sensitivity to 15 from 50. But I doubt it will help.  
Airvision Pro Cameras. I will check video on Friday.  Ideas?


Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello Kopacetic Kool Kats

[Mitch Koep]

Congrats Jaime!

Now be nice to that boy

Mitch


On 8/30/2017 5:15 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

My name is Robert James Mowad Solorza.  I am number 15

Jaime Solorza

[AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting

[Jaime Solorza]

One of the cameras at Fabens Waste Water Treatment Plant is triggering
night time recordings that manager asked me investigate and minimize.  I
changed sensitivity to 15 from 50.  But I doubt it will help.  Airvision
Pro Cameras. I will check video on Friday.  Ideas?

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] how would you bill this? Voip question

[Faisal Imtiaz]

For many(good reasons, Tax, reporting etc) we would break this down as 
follows:- 

1) Application server (Phone/pbx functionality) (hosted applications are not 
subject to taxes). $50/MRC 

2) Inbound Trunk w/ 1000 mou each. $19/each MRC (inbound calling min, multiple 
trunks would allow for concurrent calls etc), allows us to size the system 
(This is a telecom service, so it would be subject to Telecom Taxes, if 
applicable in your State, but not subject to USF ) 

3) Outbound mou $8MRC/1000min ...(Local & US LD, would allow for outbound 
calls)... (This is a telecom service, would be subject to Telecom Taxes, if 
applicable as well as USF . 

Doing it for Free ? Call me whatever you like, in all the years of serving in 
business what we have learned is that , doing anything for free has ZERO value 
in the eyes of the receiver, and it is never remembered if ever there is 
opportunity to have that taken into consideration. Do it for Full value and 
feel free to apply a visible discount on the bill...but the figures and the 
line item description of the discount should reflect that on the invoice ... 

Keep in mind, if you decide to do it for free, you will still be obligated to 
collect and pay the applicable taxes ! 

Best of luck ! 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> To: af@afmug.com, "memb...@wispa.org" 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:51:03 PM
> Subject: [WISPA Members] how would you bill this? Voip question

> I've received an inquiry to setup an automated attendant for a growing
> non-profit in our area. They take care of the vets.
> There basically is no office, just a network of volunteers.
> I may not charge them anything but assuming this were a for-profit of a 
> similar
> type, how would you bill this?
> Thanks for calling XYZ Vet Services
> For Veteran Services and Assessments, press 1
> For events and volunteer services, press 2
> To schedule the pickup of donations, press 3
> To schedule the transportation for a vet, press 4
> For grants, funding, or charitable giving, press 5
> For Ordering merchandise, press 6
> To reach management, press 9
> Once hitting 9 there is -
> For the chief of operations, press 1
> for the company financial manager, press 2
> for the company executive officer, press 3
> for the company project manager, press 4
> for hte company general contractor, press 5
> This is the script given to me by them. I wish I could say I made it up :)
> Each menu option transfers to a different cell phone.
> I can set this up in our voip switch, no problem - but how would you bill it?
> Not even sure there are any "real" phones here, just transfers to cellphones
> Thanks.

> ___
> Members mailing list
> memb...@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Zach Underwood]

1 watt of lead battery does not equal 1 watt of lithium ion. With lead acid
you can only take them to about 40-50% depth of discharge but with the
lithium ion you can get like 80-90% depth of discharge. Also the number of
discharge is only like 1000-3000 cycles where with lithium it can be as
high as 9000 cycles. The number of cycles is less of a problem in a grid
connected back up only but if off grid solar then with lead you would have
to replace every 2-3 years where with lithium it could be every 5-10 years.
When I was looking into solar this year the 10 year cost of lithium was
cheaper then lead.

Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)

http://ZachUnderwood.me

advance-networking.com



On Aug 30, 2017 9:13 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

Tesla Powerwall looks to be 14kWh, so you'd be looking at about $2100 worth
of batteries to get the equivalent. I don't see anything on Tesla's website
about what size inverter it comes with, but from what I'm seeing on Google,
it looks to only be 5kW.

You'd also have to come up with some kind of a charger if you don't have
solar.



On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
> BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with RMP
> in Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.
>
> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>
> Ok.
>
> Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?
>
> I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>
> How many kwh is that?
> Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -
>
> $150 per kWh.
> Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.
>
> Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
> 10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers
> running at the same time.
> So $1500 for an inverter.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com'
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>
> Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.
>
> Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in my
> utility room?
>
> I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.
>
> Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole home
> inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
> Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery
> array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
> Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.
>
> But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide
> for electricians to make this.
>
> Is this not ‘normal’ now days?
>
> I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
> Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] how would you bill this? Voip question

[Steve Jones]

we charge a one time setup fee per line, this is like 20 minutes of time
and two voice recordings, then whatever the (in our case) reseller rate is
per line monthly

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 7:46 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> 1/2 hr labor rate - VoIP customization and configuration services
>
> On Aug 30, 2017 6:51 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> I've received an inquiry to setup an automated attendant for a growing
>> non-profit in our area.  They take care of the vets.
>> There basically is no office, just a network of volunteers.
>>
>> I may not charge them anything but assuming this were a for-profit of a
>> similar type, how would you bill this?
>>
>> Thanks for calling XYZ Vet Services
>>
>> For Veteran Services and Assessments, press 1
>> For events and volunteer services, press 2
>> To schedule the pickup of donations, press 3
>> To schedule the transportation for a vet, press 4
>> For grants, funding, or charitable giving, press 5
>> For Ordering merchandise, press 6
>> To reach management, press 9
>>
>> Once hitting 9 there is -
>>
>> For the chief of operations, press 1
>> for the company financial manager, press 2
>> for the company executive officer, press 3
>> for the company project manager, press 4
>> for hte company general contractor, press 5
>>
>>
>> This is the script given to me by them.  I wish I could say I made it up
>> :)
>>
>> Each menu option transfers to a different cell phone.
>>
>> I can set this up in our voip switch, no problem - but how would you bill
>> it?
>>
>> Not even sure there are any "real" phones here, just transfers to
>> cellphones
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Mathew Howard]

Tesla Powerwall looks to be 14kWh, so you'd be looking at about $2100 worth
of batteries to get the equivalent. I don't see anything on Tesla's website
about what size inverter it comes with, but from what I'm seeing on Google,
it looks to only be 5kW.

You'd also have to come up with some kind of a charger if you don't have
solar.



On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
> BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with RMP
> in Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.
>
> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>
> Ok.
>
> Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?
>
> I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>
> How many kwh is that?
> Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -
>
> $150 per kWh.
> Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.
>
> Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
> 10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers
> running at the same time.
> So $1500 for an inverter.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com'
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>
> Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.
>
> Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in my
> utility room?
>
> I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.
>
> Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole home
> inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
> Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery
> array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
> Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.
>
> But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide
> for electricians to make this.
>
> Is this not ‘normal’ now days?
>
> I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
> Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

[Kurt Fankhauser]

That is not bad pricing for what it is.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I have not yet added up all the nuts bolts and washers but it will come in
> at a list – retail price of between $200 and $225 MINUS MAGNETS
> You just order it with the pull you need and I will add the magnets.  A
> 250 lb magnet costs me about $30 so you would need three of them.
> I will not mark up the magnets because I do want this to be affordable as
> possible.
>
> Howz that sound?
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:22 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day
>
> I can work it up.
>
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 9:20 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day
>
> What is the price on these magnet mounts?
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 2:07 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> We used 250lbs magnets and it was a 3'x2' satellite dish non-pen. (My
>> mistake earlier.) We used a long J-arm
>> that we braced on two sides back to the mount so it was more of a tripod.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:56 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I guess the magnet could have a stud with a slot in the end.  Put
>>> threaded holes in the plate.  You use a screw driver to adjust the magnet
>>> to plate and a lock nut to secure it once it is set.   I would rather have
>>> a nut on the other side of the plate but hard to get a wrench into the
>>> center areas of a plate of any size.
>>>
>>> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 11:40 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day
>>>
>>> Yes, we had a backing nut. We did the outer edge, not the center. In
>>> total I think we had
>>> 10 magnets total.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:23 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 Did you have to adjust a backing nut for each magnet or did you just
 set them all the same and rely on the mount to flex a bit?
 Seems difficult to adjust magnet nuts in the center of the array as
 they would be under the mounting plate, right?

 *From:* can...@believewireless.net
 *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 11:17 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

 We followed the Magnemount design and took a typical 5'x5' non-pen and
 drilled holes in it and put
 a lot of magnets on it. The magnets had pretty long bolts on them so we
 used that to adjust each
 magnet so it would still sit flat on a curved surface.

 It's been holding a 2ft dish just fine for a couple years now.

 On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> I was suggesting maybe stacking yours in a 4x4 pattern.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:12 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I have.  They have a good system.  Very expensive system but it is
>> nicely designed.  Trying to fill a niche.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 9:05 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day
>>
>> Have you ever looked at Magnemount?  They stack them together and
>> make it as a plate to increase surface mount.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Brian Sullivan <
>> installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice video!  Would love to see even more tests with stronger
>>> magnets.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/29/2017 6:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> Very cool video... definitely a need for this product
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2017 3:37 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>

 Magnetic Tower Mount
 Some more destructive testing.
 Magnetic mount for water towers and other structures.  Check out
 my latest video:
 *Havin' Fun With Magnets *



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Re: [AFMUG] how would you bill this? Voip question

[Josh Reynolds]

1/2 hr labor rate - VoIP customization and configuration services

On Aug 30, 2017 6:51 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> I've received an inquiry to setup an automated attendant for a growing
> non-profit in our area.  They take care of the vets.
> There basically is no office, just a network of volunteers.
>
> I may not charge them anything but assuming this were a for-profit of a
> similar type, how would you bill this?
>
> Thanks for calling XYZ Vet Services
>
> For Veteran Services and Assessments, press 1
> For events and volunteer services, press 2
> To schedule the pickup of donations, press 3
> To schedule the transportation for a vet, press 4
> For grants, funding, or charitable giving, press 5
> For Ordering merchandise, press 6
> To reach management, press 9
>
> Once hitting 9 there is -
>
> For the chief of operations, press 1
> for the company financial manager, press 2
> for the company executive officer, press 3
> for the company project manager, press 4
> for hte company general contractor, press 5
>
>
> This is the script given to me by them.  I wish I could say I made it up :)
>
> Each menu option transfers to a different cell phone.
>
> I can set this up in our voip switch, no problem - but how would you bill
> it?
>
> Not even sure there are any "real" phones here, just transfers to
> cellphones
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Well, it certainly can't be less fun than I've been having over the last
few months.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> What is the fun in that...
>
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:25 PM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
> device
>
> But what if working is putting rackinjectors in boxes so I can actually
> get back to engineering solutions for this type of stuff?
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Forrest, quit working and come out and play with us
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:49 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
>> device
>>
>> But you can use a voltage divider to convert the 0-5 volt to 0-.1 volt.
>> Two resistors.
>>
>> *From:* George Skorup
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:48 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
>> device
>>
>> No, the SiteMonitor shunt input is ±100mV nominal.
>>
>> On 8/30/2017 12:42 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
>>
>> Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They output 1-5V DC based on current
>> flowing through.
>>
>> https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/
>>
>> *Jesse DuPont*
>>
>> Network Architect
>> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
>> Celerity Networks LLC
>>
>> Celerity Broadband LLC
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>>
>> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>> On 8/30/17 11:29 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much
>> current. I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were
>> running around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at
>> about 225W, first time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15
>> minutes and the site went down.
>>
>> I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 20+
>> amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input. Hall
>> effect is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take
>> what I can get.
>>
>> On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, up to 10 amp.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>>
>>
>> I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.
>>
>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
>> device
>>
>> Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> 4 batts in series or parallel?
>>> Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to
>>> write code.
>>>
>>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>> I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now
>>> I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine
>>> batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the
>>> discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you
>>> guys been doing to that effect?
>>>
>>> I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on Python
>>> to put it all together...
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 <%28575%29%20758-7598> Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


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[AFMUG] how would you bill this? Voip question

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I've received an inquiry to setup an automated attendant for a growing 
non-profit in our area.  They take care of the vets.
There basically is no office, just a network of volunteers.

I may not charge them anything but assuming this were a for-profit of a similar 
type, how would you bill this?

Thanks for calling XYZ Vet Services

For Veteran Services and Assessments, press 1
For events and volunteer services, press 2
To schedule the pickup of donations, press 3
To schedule the transportation for a vet, press 4
For grants, funding, or charitable giving, press 5
For Ordering merchandise, press 6
To reach management, press 9

Once hitting 9 there is - 

For the chief of operations, press 1
for the company financial manager, press 2
for the company executive officer, press 3
for the company project manager, press 4
for hte company general contractor, press 5


This is the script given to me by them.  I wish I could say I made it up :)

Each menu option transfers to a different cell phone.

I can set this up in our voip switch, no problem - but how would you bill it?

Not even sure there are any "real" phones here, just transfers to cellphones

Thanks.

Re: [AFMUG] Some kids are alright

[Jaime Solorza]

Some kids grow up to be someone you want to burn, some kids grow to be
someone who loves to learn ..mom loves both of them, you see blood is
thicker than mud...it's a family affair... Apologies to Sly Stone

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 30, 2017 4:26 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> My son posted this.
>
> https://youtu.be/KiOm_63djyM
>
> Apparently he just got the new engine put in my dump truck for me.
>
> What a nice boy
>

[AFMUG] FRBs: Repeating Radio Signals Coming from Distant Galaxy Detected by Astronomers

[Jaime Solorza]

Okay , who is using an Ubiquiti radio in Compliance Test Mode to tease
these astronomers?


http://www.newsweek.com/frb-fast-radio-bursts-deep-space-breakthrough-listen-657144
Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello Kopacetic Kool Kats

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes sir...and my niece gave birth to Janette Lee an hour earlier...my
brothers 3rd grandkid... hopefully one of mine will wipe spittle from my
mouth when I am much older and out of it.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 30, 2017 4:54 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

hot dog man!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Congrats grandpa!
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 4:15 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Hello Kopacetic Kool Kats
>
> My name is Robert James Mowad Solorza.  I am number 15
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello Kopacetic Kool Kats

[Steve Jones]

hot dog man!

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Congrats grandpa!
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 4:15 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Hello Kopacetic Kool Kats
>
> My name is Robert James Mowad Solorza.  I am number 15
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

[Chuck McCown]

I have not yet added up all the nuts bolts and washers but it will come in at a 
list – retail price of between $200 and $225 MINUS MAGNETS
You just order it with the pull you need and I will add the magnets.  A 250 lb 
magnet costs me about $30 so you would need three of them.
I will not mark up the magnets because I do want this to be affordable as 
possible.

Howz that sound?

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

I can work it up.  

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 9:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

What is the price on these magnet mounts?

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 2:07 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

  We used 250lbs magnets and it was a 3'x2' satellite dish non-pen. (My mistake 
earlier.) We used a long J-arm
  that we braced on two sides back to the mount so it was more of a tripod.

  On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:56 PM,  wrote:

I guess the magnet could have a stud with a slot in the end.  Put threaded 
holes in the plate.  You use a screw driver to adjust the magnet to plate and a 
lock nut to secure it once it is set.   I would rather have a nut on the other 
side of the plate but hard to get a wrench into the center areas of a plate of 
any size.   

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 11:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

Yes, we had a backing nut. We did the outer edge, not the center. In total 
I think we had
10 magnets total.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:23 PM,  wrote:

  Did you have to adjust a backing nut for each magnet or did you just set 
them all the same and rely on the mount to flex a bit?
  Seems difficult to adjust magnet nuts in the center of the array as they 
would be under the mounting plate, right?

  From: can...@believewireless.net 
  Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 11:17 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

  We followed the Magnemount design and took a typical 5'x5' non-pen and 
drilled holes in it and put
  a lot of magnets on it. The magnets had pretty long bolts on them so we 
used that to adjust each 
  magnet so it would still sit flat on a curved surface.

  It's been holding a 2ft dish just fine for a couple years now.

  On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

I was suggesting maybe stacking yours in a 4x4 pattern.

Regards,
Chuck

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:12 PM,  wrote:

  I have.  They have a good system.  Very expensive system but it is 
nicely designed.  Trying to fill a niche.  

  From: Chuck Hogg 
  Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 9:05 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

  Have you ever looked at Magnemount?  They stack them together and 
make it as a plate to increase surface mount.

  Regards,
  Chuck

  On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Brian Sullivan 
 wrote:

Nice video!  Would love to see even more tests with stronger 
magnets. 



On 7/29/2017 6:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  Very cool video... definitely a need for this product


  Jaime Solorza

  On Jul 29, 2017 3:37 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Magnetic Tower Mount 
  
 
Some more destructive testing.   
 
 
   
Magnetic mount for water towers and other 
structures.  
Check out my latest video: 
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[AFMUG] Some kids are alright

[Chuck McCown]

My son posted this.

https://youtu.be/KiOm_63djyM

Apparently he just got the new engine put in my dump truck for me.

What a nice boy

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello Kopacetic Kool Kats

[Chuck McCown]

Congrats grandpa!

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 4:15 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Hello Kopacetic Kool Kats

My name is Robert James Mowad Solorza.  I am number 15


Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[George Skorup]

I would be very happy to have a 20A 100mv shunt in your DIN package. The 
Traco BCMU360 is only rated for 240W continuous. 240/12 = 20A. I will 
typically only load them up with no more than 220-225W, since I'm using 
Mean Well SDR-240-48's, so I still need 10-15 watts for battery 
charging. If I have a site that outgrows 220W, then I'm gonna be looking 
at a rectifier shelf like the ICT 1U modular that has all the bells and 
whistles.


On 8/30/2017 3:16 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
The challenge with higher current shunts is how much power is 
dissipated by the shunt.  A 20A shunt at maximum will dissipate 
(waste) around 2 watts.  I know this doesn't sound like a lot, but 
when you're talking a tiny device on a circuit board, it is.


I've recently redesigned the shunts and currently have a couple under 
test.   The new shunt has a connector suitable for over 10A (the old 
was rated for 12), and am hopeful that I can get 20A to work, but the 
first try didn't go so well, unless you like melted mounting hardware. 
 (The good news is the shunt electronics survived just fine).  I've 
changed resistive elements and plan on using them for 10A and 20A 
models but am waiting for everything to come in to test in the next 
day or two.   If you've got a 10A shunt order on backorder with us 
this is why.


The other thing I continue to mention is that shunts above 10A are 
relatively easy to come by or as Chuck points out, make.   (Google 20A 
100mV as an example of buy).   I know they're not on a din track - and 
I'm aware of the form factor desire to have them on the DIN rail


On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:29 AM, George Skorup 
mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:


Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much
current. I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs
that were running around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps.
Ungood. One site at about 225W, first time it went to battery, the
shunt went kaput after 10-15 minutes and the site went down.

I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even
plain 20+ amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's
existing 100mv input. Hall effect is nice because you don't have
to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take what I can get.


On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Yeah, up to 10 amp.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and
monitoring device


I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.
*From:* Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and
monitoring device
Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown 
wrote:

4 batts in series or parallel?
Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you
don’t have to write code.
*From:* Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and
monitoring device
Hey all,
I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites
and right now I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected
to 4 Deep cycle marine batteries for a total of 404 aH
system. I'd like to be able to monitor the discharge rate of
the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you guys
been doing to that effect?
I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting
classes on Python to put it all together...
-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 





--
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

[George Skorup]

I believe the Yamaha EF1000i and 2000i are dual rectifier alternators.

On 8/30/2017 3:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I think they are alternators, that rectify the output then feed it 
into an inverter.� So AC-DC-AC

True DC generators are not seen much.
Alternators have slip rings which last far longer than commutators.
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:35 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

Aren't all "inverter generators" technically DC generators in the 
first place? They have to run whatever they produce through an 
inverter in order to produce 110, or 220 AC.


I would poke into one to see what feeds into the inverter in the first 
place.


bp


On 8/30/2017 11:41 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Anyone using DC Generators for charging Batts ? Really hard to find�

*//*�

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Chuck McCown]

How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with RMP in 
Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.


-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Ok.

Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?

I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

How many kwh is that?
Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -

$150 per kWh.
Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.

Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers 
running at the same time.

So $1500 for an inverter.

-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.

Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in my 
utility room?


I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.

Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole home 
inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery 
array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.

Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.

But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide 
for electricians to make this.


Is this not ‘normal’ now days?

I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Sterling Jacobson]

Ok.

Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?

I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

How many kwh is that?
Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -

$150 per kWh.
Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.

Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers running 
at the same time.
So $1500 for an inverter.

-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.

Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in my 
utility room?

I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.

Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole home 
inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery array 
for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.

But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide for 
electricians to make this.

Is this not ‘normal’ now days?

I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹ 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Chuck McCown]

How many kwh is that?
Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -

$150 per kWh.
Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.

Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers 
running at the same time.

So $1500 for an inverter.

-Original Message- 
From: Sterling Jacobson

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.

Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in my 
utility room?


I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.

Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole home 
inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery 
array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.

Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.

But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide 
for electricians to make this.


Is this not ‘normal’ now days?

I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹ 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Steve Jones]

Ask the wife why shes looking at the roof in the first place, theres
nothing to vacuum up there, there is no stove up there, it would be
dangerous washing dishes up there, and unless she wants a clothesline up
there there is no laundry up there.
Somebody on the list will probably let you sleep on their couch

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.
>
> Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in my
> utility room?
>
> I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.
>
> Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole home
> inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
> Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery
> array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
> Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.
>
> But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide
> for electricians to make this.
>
> Is this not ‘normal’ now days?
>
> I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
> Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹
>

[AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Sterling Jacobson]

Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.

Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in my 
utility room?

I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.

Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole home 
inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery array 
for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.

But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide for 
electricians to make this.

Is this not ‘normal’ now days?

I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Chuck McCown]

That product listed below shows it for use in scada operations so it must have 
overcome the cal and drift issues.  It is claiming a tenth of an amp accuracy.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:24 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

Most of these should work, as someone has pointed out, you should be able to 
use a voltage divider to get it down to the range...   If you put a 204 ohm 
resistor across the shunt input and 10K ohms in series with the shunt that 
should scale 5V down to 0.1V.   If you need other ranges, see 
http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/voltage-divider-calculator .  I'd start with 
10,000 ohms in the R1 field and 0.1V on the output voltage. 

The other challenge is that most hall effect sensors are relatively low 
accuracy, say 5%.   Calibration seems to help, but isn't really applicable in 
this case.   Add the uncertainty of the divider and you may not have the 
accuacy you want.

Remember that the shunt input is only a 10 bit ADC, which means you only have 
1024 steps.  So for a 100A input, each 'step' would be 0.1A.   Just be aware of 
this.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Jesse DuPont  
wrote:

  Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They output 1-5V DC based on current 
flowing through.

  https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/


  Jesse DuPont

  Network Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC

  Celerity Broadband LLC
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband


  On 8/30/17 11:29 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much current. 
I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were running 
around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at about 225W, 
first time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15 minutes and the 
site went down.

I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 20+ 
amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input. Hall 
effect is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take 
what I can get.


On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  Yeah, up to 10 amp.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device

Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  4 batts in series or parallel?  
  Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to 
write code.  

  From: Sam Lambie 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

  Hey all, 
  I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right 
now I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine 
batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the 
discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you guys 
been doing to that effect?

  I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on 
Python to put it all together...


  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com




-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com








-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

[Chuck McCown]

I think they are alternators, that rectify the output then feed it into an 
inverter.  So AC-DC-AC

True DC generators are not seen much.  

Alternators have slip rings which last far longer than commutators.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

Aren't all "inverter generators" technically DC generators in the first place? 
They have to run whatever they produce through an inverter in order to produce 
110, or 220 AC.

I would poke into one to see what feeds into the inverter in the first place.



bp


On 8/30/2017 11:41 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

  Anyone using DC Generators for charging Batts ? Really hard to find�
�

Gino A. Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Chuck McCown]

What is the fun in that...

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 2:25 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

But what if working is putting rackinjectors in boxes so I can actually get 
back to engineering solutions for this type of stuff?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Forrest, quit working and come out and play with us

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

  But you can use a voltage divider to convert the 0-5 volt to 0-.1 volt.  
  Two resistors.  

  From: George Skorup 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:48 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

  No, the SiteMonitor shunt input is ±100mV nominal.


  On 8/30/2017 12:42 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:

Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They output 1-5V DC based on current 
flowing through.

https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/


Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband


On 8/30/17 11:29 AM, George Skorup wrote:

  Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much 
current. I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were 
running around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at 
about 225W, first time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15 
minutes and the site went down.

  I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 20+ 
amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input. Hall 
effect is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take 
what I can get.


  On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Yeah, up to 10 amp.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device

  I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.  

  From: Sam Lambie 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device

  Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?

  On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

4 batts in series or parallel?  
Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have 
to write code.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device

Hey all, 
I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right 
now I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine 
batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the 
discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you guys 
been doing to that effect?

I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on 
Python to put it all together...


-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com




  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com










-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

[Bill Prince]

Aren't all "inverter generators" technically DC generators in the first 
place? They have to run whatever they produce through an inverter in 
order to produce 110, or 220 AC.


I would poke into one to see what feeds into the inverter in the first 
place.



bp


On 8/30/2017 11:41 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:

Anyone using DC Generators for charging Batts ? Really hard to find

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

But what if working is putting rackinjectors in boxes so I can actually get
back to engineering solutions for this type of stuff?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:51 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Forrest, quit working and come out and play with us
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
> device
>
> But you can use a voltage divider to convert the 0-5 volt to 0-.1 volt.
> Two resistors.
>
> *From:* George Skorup
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
> device
>
> No, the SiteMonitor shunt input is ±100mV nominal.
>
> On 8/30/2017 12:42 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
>
> Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They output 1-5V DC based on current
> flowing through.
>
> https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 8/30/17 11:29 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much current.
> I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were running
> around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at about
> 225W, first time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15
> minutes and the site went down.
>
> I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 20+
> amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input. Hall
> effect is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take
> what I can get.
>
> On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Yeah, up to 10 amp.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>
>
> I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
> device
>
> Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> 4 batts in series or parallel?
>> Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to
>> write code.
>>
>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now I
>> have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine
>> batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the
>> discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you
>> guys been doing to that effect?
>>
>> I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on Python
>> to put it all together...
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <%28575%29%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Most of these should work, as someone has pointed out, you should be able
to use a voltage divider to get it down to the range...   If you put a 204
ohm resistor across the shunt input and 10K ohms in series with the shunt
that should scale 5V down to 0.1V.   If you need other ranges, see
http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/voltage-divider-calculator .  I'd start
with 10,000 ohms in the R1 field and 0.1V on the output voltage.

The other challenge is that most hall effect sensors are relatively low
accuracy, say 5%.   Calibration seems to help, but isn't really applicable
in this case.   Add the uncertainty of the divider and you may not have the
accuacy you want.

Remember that the shunt input is only a 10 bit ADC, which means you only
have 1024 steps.  So for a 100A input, each 'step' would be 0.1A.   Just be
aware of this.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Jesse DuPont <
jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net> wrote:

> Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They output 1-5V DC based on current
> flowing through.
>
> https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 8/30/17 11:29 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much current.
> I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were running
> around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at about
> 225W, first time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15
> minutes and the site went down.
>
> I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 20+
> amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input. Hall
> effect is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take
> what I can get.
>
> On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Yeah, up to 10 amp.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>
> I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
> device
>
> Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> 4 batts in series or parallel?
>> Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to
>> write code.
>>
>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now I
>> have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine
>> batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the
>> discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you
>> guys been doing to that effect?
>>
>> I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on Python
>> to put it all together...
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <%28575%29%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

The challenge with higher current shunts is how much power is dissipated by
the shunt.  A 20A shunt at maximum will dissipate (waste) around 2 watts.
I know this doesn't sound like a lot, but when you're talking a tiny device
on a circuit board, it is.

I've recently redesigned the shunts and currently have a couple under test.
  The new shunt has a connector suitable for over 10A (the old was rated
for 12), and am hopeful that I can get 20A to work, but the first try
didn't go so well, unless you like melted mounting hardware.  (The good
news is the shunt electronics survived just fine).  I've changed resistive
elements and plan on using them for 10A and 20A models but am waiting for
everything to come in to test in the next day or two.   If you've got a 10A
shunt order on backorder with us this is why.

The other thing I continue to mention is that shunts above 10A are
relatively easy to come by or as Chuck points out, make.   (Google 20A
100mV as an example of buy).   I know they're not on a din track - and I'm
aware of the form factor desire to have them on the DIN rail

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:29 AM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much current.
> I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were running
> around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at about
> 225W, first time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15
> minutes and the site went down.
>
> I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 20+
> amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input. Hall
> effect is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take
> what I can get.
>
>
> On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Yeah, up to 10 amp.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>
> I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
> device
>
> Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> 4 batts in series or parallel?
>> Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to
>> write code.
>>
>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now I
>> have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine
>> batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the
>> discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you
>> guys been doing to that effect?
>>
>> I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on Python
>> to put it all together...
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <%28575%29%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Look at the maximum current that will pass through the shunt, and then buy
one just larger than that.   For instance, if your charger can charge at
15A you need a 20A shunt.


On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:

> How would you properly spec out a shunt given a certain number of
> batteries?
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> it puts out so many millivolts depending on how many amps are moving
>> through it, so with a volt meter you can monitor what your load is.
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Steve Jones" 
>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>> Sent: 8/30/2017 11:36:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>>
>> what does the shunt do in this case?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, up to 10 amp.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
>>> device
>>>
>>> I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.
>>>
>>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
>>> device
>>>
>>> Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 4 batts in series or parallel?
 Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to
 write code.

 *From:* Sam Lambie
 *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
 device

 Hey all,
 I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now
 I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine
 batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the
 discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you
 guys been doing to that effect?

 I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on
 Python to put it all together...

 --
 --
 *Sam Lambie*
 Taosnet Wireless Tech.
 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
 www.Taosnet.com 

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>>
>>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I'm sorry...they are supposed to ship soon.  Should be in the US around the 
beginning of October.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:
> 
> Will ship from Asia around Oct. 1st.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>> 
>> Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds me, I 
>> need to order some.
>> 
>> The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size box as 
>> the Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time, but there 
>> are a lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where these should be a 
>> good fit.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this point?  
>>> It's cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap between 180 and 
>>> 190, but I still suggest Force 200.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners  
 wrote:
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: "FCC ID Alert" 
 Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
 Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
 To: "FCC ID Alert" 
 Cc: 
 
 A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for 
 New Equipment.
 See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031 
 Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver
 unsubscribe
 
 
>>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Ryan Ray]

Thanks Chuck! Very helpful.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> V out = Vin x [R1/(R1+R2)]
>
> So you are giving it 5 volts full scale and you need .1 volt to represent
> full scale.
>
> V out/ V in = .1/5 or .02
>
> Pick a R1.  Normally telemetry inputs are pretty high impedance like 100K
> or 1M so the divider resistance can use 1K as one of the resistances.
>
> So if R1=1K then 1k/.02 = 1K + R2
> 50K=1K + R2
> So R2=49K.
>
> Voltage in through the 49K resistor in series with the 1K resistor then to
> ground.
>
> The telemetry would be fed from the junction between the two resistors and
> ground.
>
>
> *From:* Jesse DuPont
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
> device
>
> So, R1 would be X Ohms and R2 would be X*.02 Ohms?
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 8/30/17 11:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Forrest, quit working and come out and play with us
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
> device
>
> But you can use a voltage divider to convert the 0-5 volt to 0-.1 volt.
> Two resistors.
>
> *From:* George Skorup
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:48 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
> device
>
> No, the SiteMonitor shunt input is ±100mV nominal.
>
> On 8/30/2017 12:42 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
>
> Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They output 1-5V DC based on current
> flowing through.
>
> https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 8/30/17 11:29 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>
> Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much current.
> I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were running
> around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at about
> 225W, first time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15
> minutes and the site went down.
>
> I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 20+
> amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input. Hall
> effect is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take
> what I can get.
>
> On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Yeah, up to 10 amp.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>
>
> I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
> device
>
> Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> 4 batts in series or parallel?
>> Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to
>> write code.
>>
>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now I
>> have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine
>> batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the
>> discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you
>> guys been doing to that effect?
>>
>> I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on Python
>> to put it all together...
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <%28575%29%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

[Chuck McCown]

Pretty easy to make DC out of AC.  A true DC generator probably has brushes and 
a commutator.  Not something you really want.  
I imagine anything you are likely to find is probably AC that is rectified.  

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

Someone posted this a while ago:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-2-IN-1-Gas-Gasoline-Generator-3000W-DC-OUTPUT-24V-for-pure-power-inverter-/252041630986?hash=item3aaeda150a


I think they make them in 12,24 and 48V.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

  Anyone using DC Generators for charging Batts ? Really hard to find 



Gino A. Villarini
   
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

[can...@believewireless.net]

Someone posted this a while ago:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-2-IN-1-Gas-Gasoline-Generator-3000W-DC-OUTPUT-24V-for-pure-power-inverter-/252041630986?hash=item3aaeda150a

I think they make them in 12,24 and 48V.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Anyone using DC Generators for charging Batts ? Really hard to find
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

[Steve Jones]

all ours have dc outputs on them, I don't know how clean it is though, weve
never used it.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Anyone using DC Generators for charging Batts ? Really hard to find
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

[AFMUG] DC Generators?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Anyone using DC Generators for charging Batts ? Really hard to find



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Chuck McCown]

And then there is Panasoanic

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

Yes, it is hard to please everyone !..

FYI.. in the small business markets, Panasonic is very well known for producing 
excellent phones and phone systems.

But .. to each their own


:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: "Lewis Bergman" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:05:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

  If you use Panasonic your not picky in quality anyway.



  On Tue, Aug 29, 2017, 2:22 PM Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

Never say Never !



https://www.voipsupply.com/panasonic-kx-tpa65-desktop-dect-phone



:)

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

  From: "Lewis Bergman" 
  To: af@afmug.com

  Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:05:35 PM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP



  DECT phones are great but not a direct replacement for a desk phone.


  On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:16 PM Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

What I was trying to say is that in today's market the VOIP / DECT 
phones are no longer an expensive item.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Seth Mattinen" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 6:39:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

> On 8/28/17 3:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> https://www.voipsupply.com/manufacturer/yealink/dect
>>
>> I believe these would qualify as being pretty affordable !
>
>
> Those are; I have a Spectralink system.

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Yes, it is hard to please everyone !.. 

FYI.. in the small business markets, Panasonic is very well known for producing 
excellent phones and phone systems. 

But .. to each their own 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:05:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

> If you use Panasonic your not picky in quality anyway.
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017, 2:22 PM Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
> wrote:

>> Never say Never !

>> https://www.voipsupply.com/panasonic-kx-tpa65-desktop-dect-phone

>> :)

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com

>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:05:35 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

>>> DECT phones are great but not a direct replacement for a desk phone.

>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:16 PM Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
>>> wrote:

 What I was trying to say is that in today's market the VOIP / DECT phones 
 are no
 longer an expensive item.

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 7266 SW 48 Street
 Miami, FL 33155
 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 - Original Message -
 > From: "Seth Mattinen" < se...@rollernet.us >
 > To: af@afmug.com
 > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 6:39:27 PM
 > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

 > On 8/28/17 3:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
 >> https://www.voipsupply.com/manufacturer/yealink/dect

 >> I believe these would qualify as being pretty affordable !


 > Those are; I have a Spectralink system.

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

[Josh Reynolds]

Isn't that what we're doing? :)

On Aug 30, 2017 12:47 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Do you want to play Words with Friends to keep from falling asleep?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all
> thebands
>
>
>
> Well, right now I'm in an all day meeting with a vendor about a federal
> product rollout.
>
>
>
> You guess how that's going.
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2017 12:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> LOL.  Josh, I wonder what it would be like to live in your world.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all
> thebands
>
>
>
> Just pee on it. Assert your dominance.
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> I suspect some others are going to want this spot when they find out about
> it.  Just making sure it’s not an issue.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:03 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all
> thebands
>
>
>
> I guess I have been lucky...have always figured a way to overcome
> interference issues with out involving offender or anyone else.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2017 10:48 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
> remediation terms wouldn't be a bad thing to have. ie "if some MFer
> collocates, tenant is absolved of all liability for .40 remediation of all
> offending equipment"
>
>
>
> and as I recently found out, make sure the property is clearly defined, if
> there are multiple structures on the property, make sure theyre included,
> and don't assume just because a facility is all in one location that there
> is only a single address. Maybe define the address as the plat ID(s)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> DC to cosmic rays would be a bit more inclusive
>
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:12 AM
>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all
> thebands
>
> On 8/30/17 06:18, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges)
>
>
> 1MHz to 1THz
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Chuck McCown]

V out = Vin x [R1/(R1+R2)]

So you are giving it 5 volts full scale and you need .1 volt to represent full 
scale.

V out/ V in = .1/5 or .02

Pick a R1.  Normally telemetry inputs are pretty high impedance like 100K or 1M 
so the divider resistance can use 1K as one of the resistances.

So if R1=1K then 1k/.02 = 1K + R2
50K=1K + R2
So R2=49K.

Voltage in through the 49K resistor in series with the 1K resistor then to 
ground.

The telemetry would be fed from the junction between the two resistors and 
ground.  


From: Jesse DuPont 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

So, R1 would be X Ohms and R2 would be X*.02 Ohms?


Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
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On 8/30/17 11:51 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Forrest, quit working and come out and play with us

  From: Chuck McCown 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:49 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

  But you can use a voltage divider to convert the 0-5 volt to 0-.1 volt.  
  Two resistors.  

  From: George Skorup 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:48 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

  No, the SiteMonitor shunt input is ±100mV nominal.


  On 8/30/2017 12:42 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:

Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They output 1-5V DC based on current 
flowing through.

https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/


Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband


On 8/30/17 11:29 AM, George Skorup wrote:

  Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much 
current. I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were 
running around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at 
about 225W, first time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15 
minutes and the site went down.

  I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 20+ 
amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input. Hall 
effect is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take 
what I can get.


  On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Yeah, up to 10 amp.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device

  I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.  

  From: Sam Lambie 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device

  Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?

  On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

4 batts in series or parallel?  
Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have 
to write code.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device

Hey all, 
I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right 
now I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine 
batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the 
discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you guys 
been doing to that effect?

I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on 
Python to put it all together...


-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com




  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Gino A. Villarini]

WE will try to standardize on the Force 190, if we need more, then a 200 or 
Conn. With 2ft dish

From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of 
Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 1:53 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New 
Equipment

No, we'll probably keep using the 180 for really short links, but we really 
don't use that many as it is. I'm not really sure how often we'll end up using 
the 190, but I'm thinking it will be something like if we get less than -60 use 
a Force 200, otherwise, use a 190 or a 180.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Are you dropping 180 for the 190?  In what situation would you use a 190 
(previously 180) instead of a 200?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds me, I need 
to order some.

The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size box as the 
Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time, but there are a 
lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where these should be a good fit.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this point?  It's 
cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap between 180 and 190, but I 
still suggest Force 200.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
-- Forwarded message --
From: "FCC ID Alert" mailto:ale...@fccid.io>>
Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
To: "FCC ID Alert" mailto:ale...@fccid.io>>
Cc:

A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for New 
Equipment.
See FCC ID 
Z8H89FT0031
Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver

unsubscribe

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[can...@believewireless.net]

I really don't know where this fits in. Who wants to keep three radios on
the truck? If they could have
made the same design for say a 27db antenna, that would be something we'd
use.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> No, we'll probably keep using the 180 for really short links, but we
> really don't use that many as it is. I'm not really sure how often we'll
> end up using the 190, but I'm thinking it will be something like if we get
> less than -60 use a Force 200, otherwise, use a 190 or a 180.
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you dropping 180 for the 190?  In what situation would you use a 190
>> (previously 180) instead of a 200?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds me,
>>> I need to order some.
>>>
>>> The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size box
>>> as the Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time, but
>>> there are a lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where these
>>> should be a good fit.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this point?
 It's cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap between 180 and
 190, but I still suggest Force 200.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners 
 wrote:

> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "FCC ID Alert" 
> Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
> To: "FCC ID Alert" 
> Cc:
>
> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc.
> for New Equipment.
> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031
> 
> Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver
>
> unsubscribe
> 
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
So, R1 would be X Ohms and R2 would be X*.02 Ohms?


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
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On 8/30/17 11:51 AM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  

  Forrest, quit working and come out and play with us
  

   
  
From: Chuck
McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery
  charging and monitoring device
  

 
  
  

  
But you can use a voltage divider to convert the
  0-5 volt to 0-.1 volt.  
Two resistors.  

  
 

  From: George Skorup 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:48
AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective
battery charging and monitoring device

  
   

No,
  the SiteMonitor shunt input is ±100mV nominal.
  
  On 8/30/2017 12:42 PM,
Jesse DuPont wrote:
  
  Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They
output 1-5V DC based on current flowing through.

https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 8/30/17 11:29 AM,
  George Skorup wrote:

Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those
  on 12VDC systems. Too much current. I've burned up
  a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that
  were running around 200W load on battery. 200/13 =
  15 amps. Ungood. One site at about 225W, first
  time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput
  after 10-15 minutes and the site went down.
  
  I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect
  stuff or even plain 20+ amp shunts that can be
  used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input.
  Hall effect is nice because you don't have to be
  "in" the circuit. But I'll take what I can get.
  
  On 8/30/2017 10:26
AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
  
  

Yeah, up to 10 amp.
 
 
-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery
  charging and monitoring device
 

  

  
I think Forrest has them on his
  site with the site monitors.  

  
 

  From:
Sam
   

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Mathew Howard]

No, we'll probably keep using the 180 for really short links, but we really
don't use that many as it is. I'm not really sure how often we'll end up
using the 190, but I'm thinking it will be something like if we get less
than -60 use a Force 200, otherwise, use a 190 or a 180.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Are you dropping 180 for the 190?  In what situation would you use a 190
> (previously 180) instead of a 200?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds me,
>> I need to order some.
>>
>> The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size box
>> as the Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time, but
>> there are a lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where these
>> should be a good fit.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this point?
>>> It's cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap between 180 and
>>> 190, but I still suggest Force 200.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: "FCC ID Alert" 
 Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
 Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
 To: "FCC ID Alert" 
 Cc:

 A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc.
 for New Equipment.
 See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031
 
 Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver

 unsubscribe
 

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Chuck McCown]

Forrest, quit working and come out and play with us

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

But you can use a voltage divider to convert the 0-5 volt to 0-.1 volt.  
Two resistors.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

No, the SiteMonitor shunt input is ±100mV nominal.


On 8/30/2017 12:42 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:

  Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They output 1-5V DC based on current 
flowing through.

  https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/


  Jesse DuPont

  Network Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC

  Celerity Broadband LLC
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband


  On 8/30/17 11:29 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much current. 
I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were running 
around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at about 225W, 
first time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15 minutes and the 
site went down.

I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 20+ 
amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input. Hall 
effect is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take 
what I can get.


On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  Yeah, up to 10 amp.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device

Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  4 batts in series or parallel?  
  Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to 
write code.  

  From: Sam Lambie 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

  Hey all, 
  I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right 
now I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine 
batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the 
discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you guys 
been doing to that effect?

  I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on 
Python to put it all together...


  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com




-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Chuck McCown]

But you can use a voltage divider to convert the 0-5 volt to 0-.1 volt.  
Two resistors.  

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

No, the SiteMonitor shunt input is ±100mV nominal.


On 8/30/2017 12:42 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:

  Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They output 1-5V DC based on current 
flowing through.

  https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/


  Jesse DuPont

  Network Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC

  Celerity Broadband LLC
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

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  On 8/30/17 11:29 AM, George Skorup wrote:

Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much current. 
I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were running 
around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at about 225W, 
first time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15 minutes and the 
site went down.

I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 20+ 
amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input. Hall 
effect is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take 
what I can get.


On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  Yeah, up to 10 amp.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device

Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  4 batts in series or parallel?  
  Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to 
write code.  

  From: Sam Lambie 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

  Hey all, 
  I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right 
now I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine 
batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the 
discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you guys 
been doing to that effect?

  I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on 
Python to put it all together...


  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com




-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[George Skorup]

No, the SiteMonitor shunt input is ±100mV nominal.

On 8/30/2017 12:42 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They output 1-5V DC based on 
current flowing through.


https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/

*_Jesse DuPont_*

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

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On 8/30/17 11:29 AM, George Skorup wrote:
Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much 
current. I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs 
that were running around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. 
Ungood. One site at about 225W, first time it went to battery, the 
shunt went kaput after 10-15 minutes and the site went down.


I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 
20+ amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv 
input. Hall effect is nice because you don't have to be "in" the 
circuit. But I'll take what I can get.


On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Yeah, up to 10 amp.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device



I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.
*From:* Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and 
monitoring device

Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

4 batts in series or parallel?
Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t
have to write code.
*From:* Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and
monitoring device
Hey all,
I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and
right now I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4
Deep cycle marine batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd
like to be able to monitor the discharge rate of the batteries
when power is out remotely. What have you guys been doing to
that effect?
I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes
on Python to put it all together...
-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 



--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

[Rory Conaway]

Do you want to play Words with Friends to keep from falling asleep?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

Well, right now I'm in an all day meeting with a vendor about a federal product 
rollout.

You guess how that's going.

On Aug 30, 2017 12:26 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
LOL.  Josh, I wonder what it would be like to live in your world.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

Just pee on it. Assert your dominance.

On Aug 30, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I suspect some others are going to want this spot when they find out about it.  
Just making sure it’s not an issue.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:03 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

I guess I have been lucky...have always figured a way to overcome interference 
issues with out involving offender or anyone else.
Jaime Solorza

On Aug 30, 2017 10:48 AM, "Steve Jones" 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
remediation terms wouldn't be a bad thing to have. ie "if some MFer collocates, 
tenant is absolved of all liability for .40 remediation of all offending 
equipment"

and as I recently found out, make sure the property is clearly defined, if 
there are multiple structures on the property, make sure theyre included, and 
don't assume just because a facility is all in one location that there is only 
a single address. Maybe define the address as the plat ID(s)

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
DC to cosmic rays would be a bit more inclusive

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:12 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

On 8/30/17 06:18, Chuck McCown wrote:
lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges)

1MHz to 1THz

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Josh Luthman]

Are you dropping 180 for the 190?  In what situation would you use a 190
(previously 180) instead of a 200?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds me, I
> need to order some.
>
> The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size box
> as the Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time, but
> there are a lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where these
> should be a good fit.
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this point?
>> It's cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap between 180 and
>> 190, but I still suggest Force 200.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: "FCC ID Alert" 
>>> Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
>>> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
>>> To: "FCC ID Alert" 
>>> Cc:
>>>
>>> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for
>>> New Equipment.
>>> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031
>>> 
>>> Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver
>>>
>>> unsubscribe
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Chuck McCown]

They sure look like they would be great.  Forrest needs to answer for certain 
but cannot think of any reason why they would not be ideal.  

From: Jesse DuPont 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:42 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They output 1-5V DC based on current flowing 
through.

https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/


Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband


On 8/30/17 11:29 AM, George Skorup wrote:

  Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much current. 
I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were running 
around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at about 225W, 
first time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15 minutes and the 
site went down.

  I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 20+ amp 
shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input. Hall effect 
is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take what I can 
get.


  On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Yeah, up to 10 amp.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

  I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.  

  From: Sam Lambie 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

  Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?

  On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

4 batts in series or parallel?  
Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to 
write code.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

Hey all, 
I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now 
I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine batteries 
for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the discharge rate 
of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you guys been doing to 
that effect?

I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on 
Python to put it all together...


-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com




  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com

[AFMUG] open source netflow tool?

[Dev]

I’m looking for an open source way to analyze netflow and traffic flow 
(Mikrotik’s version), what are you guys using/happy with? Super nice if it 
provided historical information via RRD/mrtg so I can keep track of issues.

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Would these work on a SiteMonitor? They output 1-5V DC based on
current flowing through.

https://flexscada.com/product/hall-effect-current-sensor-ac-75a-dc-100a/


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 8/30/17 11:29 AM, George Skorup
  wrote:


  
  Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much
  current. I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs
  that were running around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps.
  Ungood. One site at about 225W, first time it went to battery, the
  shunt went kaput after 10-15 minutes and the site went down.
  
  I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even
  plain 20+ amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's
  existing 100mv input. Hall effect is nice because you don't have
  to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take what I can get.
  
  On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett
wrote:
  
  

Yeah, up to 10 amp.




-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and
  monitoring device



  

  
I think Forrest has them on his site with the site
  monitors.  

  
 

  From: Sam Lambie 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15
AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective
battery charging and monitoring device

  
   


  Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I
get a shunt?
  
 
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at
  9:09 AM, Chuck McCown 
  wrote:
  

  

  4 batts in series or parallel?  
  Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better
way to go and you don’t have to write
code.  
  

   
  
From: Sam
Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, August
  30, 2017 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com

Subject: [AFMUG] Cost
  effective battery charging and
  monitoring device
  

 
  
  

  
Hey all,
  I am getting away from using
APC at a couple of our sites and
right now I have installed a
Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4
Deep cycle marine batteries for
a total of 404 aH system. I'd
like to be able to monitor the
discharge rate of the batteries
when power is out remotely. What
have you guys been doing to that
effect?
   
  I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt
and some quick scripting classes
on Python to put it all
together...
 
-- 

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Chuck McCown]

This assumes you can go positive or negative with the telemetry input.  

If not, then you have to shunt the charger and the load separately.  

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:38 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

OK so 50 amps full scale, .1 volt input.  .002 ohms.  

2 feet of #10 wire is your shunt.  
You can even coil it up and make it nice and small.  

Put it on the ground side of your battery.  
Then the telemetry measures from true ground to the other side of the shunt.
I have done wire shunts many times.  


From: George Skorup 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much current. I've 
burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were running around 
200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at about 225W, first 
time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15 minutes and the site 
went down.

I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 20+ amp 
shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input. Hall effect 
is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take what I can 
get.


On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  Yeah, up to 10 amp.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  4 batts in series or parallel?  
  Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to 
write code.  

  From: Sam Lambie 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

  Hey all, 
  I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now I 
have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine batteries 
for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the discharge rate 
of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you guys been doing to 
that effect?

  I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on Python 
to put it all together...


  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com




-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Chuck McCown]

OK so 50 amps full scale, .1 volt input.  .002 ohms.  

2 feet of #10 wire is your shunt.  
You can even coil it up and make it nice and small.  

Put it on the ground side of your battery.  
Then the telemetry measures from true ground to the other side of the shunt.
I have done wire shunts many times.  


From: George Skorup 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much current. I've 
burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that were running around 
200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One site at about 225W, first 
time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput after 10-15 minutes and the site 
went down.

I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 20+ amp 
shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv input. Hall effect 
is nice because you don't have to be "in" the circuit. But I'll take what I can 
get.


On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  Yeah, up to 10 amp.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  4 batts in series or parallel?  
  Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to 
write code.  

  From: Sam Lambie 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

  Hey all, 
  I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now I 
have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine batteries 
for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the discharge rate 
of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you guys been doing to 
that effect?

  I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on Python 
to put it all together...


  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com




-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Chuck McCown]

What is your max charging and discharging current?  That is the first thing.  
Second thing is what is the voltage range of the device you are using to 
measure the current.  

For example, if you never expect more than 50 amps and your telemetry will 
measure 0-1 volt on the analog input, then your shunt needs to be less than 
1/50 or .020 ohms.  So when 50 amps is flowing, there will be 1 volt across it. 
 

That is equivalent to 20 feet of #10 wire.  

You don’t want to use a 10 volt input because if 50 amps is creating 10 volts 
across the shunt, not only do you lose 10 volts with which to power your load, 
the shunt is going to crank out 500 watts of heat under full load.  The lower 
the shunt resistance the better because shunt voltage is subtracted from the 
voltage used to power your equipment and no need to make any more heat than you 
need.

However very low resistance shunts make very low voltages and analog telemetry 
inputs may have digitization errors and noise errors with really low inputs.  
Normally battery current is not so critical that those errors are a concern.  

From: Ryan Ray 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 11:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

How would you properly spec out a shunt given a certain number of batteries?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  it puts out so many millivolts depending on how many amps are moving through 
it, so with a volt meter you can monitor what your load is.  

  -- Original Message --
  From: "Steve Jones" 
  To: "af@afmug.com" 
  Sent: 8/30/2017 11:36:38 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

what does the shunt do in this case?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  Yeah, up to 10 amp.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chuck McCown" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device

Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  4 batts in series or parallel?  
  Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to 
write code.  

  From: Sam Lambie 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

  Hey all, 
  I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right 
now I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine 
batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the 
discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you guys 
been doing to that effect?

  I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on 
Python to put it all together...


  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com




-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

[Josh Reynolds]

Well, right now I'm in an all day meeting with a vendor about a federal
product rollout.

You guess how that's going.

On Aug 30, 2017 12:26 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

LOL.  Josh, I wonder what it would be like to live in your world.



Rory



*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds

*Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all
thebands



Just pee on it. Assert your dominance.



On Aug 30, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

I suspect some others are going to want this spot when they find out about
it.  Just making sure it’s not an issue.



*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:03 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all
thebands



I guess I have been lucky...have always figured a way to overcome
interference issues with out involving offender or anyone else.

Jaime Solorza



On Aug 30, 2017 10:48 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

remediation terms wouldn't be a bad thing to have. ie "if some MFer
collocates, tenant is absolved of all liability for .40 remediation of all
offending equipment"



and as I recently found out, make sure the property is clearly defined, if
there are multiple structures on the property, make sure theyre included,
and don't assume just because a facility is all in one location that there
is only a single address. Maybe define the address as the plat ID(s)



On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

DC to cosmic rays would be a bit more inclusive

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:12 AM


To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all
thebands

On 8/30/17 06:18, Chuck McCown wrote:

lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges)


1MHz to 1THz

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[George Skorup]

Yeah, about that. I wouldn't use those on 12VDC systems. Too much 
current. I've burned up a couple of the 10A shunts on Traco BCMUs that 
were running around 200W load on battery. 200/13 = 15 amps. Ungood. One 
site at about 225W, first time it went to battery, the shunt went kaput 
after 10-15 minutes and the site went down.


I'm hoping Forrest comes up with some Hall effect stuff or even plain 
20+ amp shunts that can be used on the SiteMonitor's existing 100mv 
input. Hall effect is nice because you don't have to be "in" the 
circuit. But I'll take what I can get.


On 8/30/2017 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Yeah, up to 10 amp.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device


I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.
*From:* Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device

Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

4 batts in series or parallel?
Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t
have to write code.
*From:* Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
device
Hey all,
I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and
right now I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4
Deep cycle marine batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd
like to be able to monitor the discharge rate of the batteries
when power is out remotely. What have you guys been doing to that
effect?
I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on
Python to put it all together...
-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 



--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Ryan Ray]

How would you properly spec out a shunt given a certain number of batteries?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:39 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> it puts out so many millivolts depending on how many amps are moving
> through it, so with a volt meter you can monitor what your load is.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/30/2017 11:36:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>
> what does the shunt do in this case?
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, up to 10 amp.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>>
>> I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.
>>
>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
>> device
>>
>> Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> 4 batts in series or parallel?
>>> Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to
>>> write code.
>>>
>>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>> I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now
>>> I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine
>>> batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the
>>> discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you
>>> guys been doing to that effect?
>>>
>>> I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on Python
>>> to put it all together...
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

[Rory Conaway]

LOL.  Josh, I wonder what it would be like to live in your world.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

Just pee on it. Assert your dominance.

On Aug 30, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rory Conaway" 
mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
I suspect some others are going to want this spot when they find out about it.  
Just making sure it’s not an issue.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:03 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

I guess I have been lucky...have always figured a way to overcome interference 
issues with out involving offender or anyone else.
Jaime Solorza

On Aug 30, 2017 10:48 AM, "Steve Jones" 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
remediation terms wouldn't be a bad thing to have. ie "if some MFer collocates, 
tenant is absolved of all liability for .40 remediation of all offending 
equipment"

and as I recently found out, make sure the property is clearly defined, if 
there are multiple structures on the property, make sure theyre included, and 
don't assume just because a facility is all in one location that there is only 
a single address. Maybe define the address as the plat ID(s)

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
DC to cosmic rays would be a bit more inclusive

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:12 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

On 8/30/17 06:18, Chuck McCown wrote:
lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges)

1MHz to 1THz

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

[Josh Reynolds]

Just pee on it. Assert your dominance.

On Aug 30, 2017 12:10 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> I suspect some others are going to want this spot when they find out about
> it.  Just making sure it’s not an issue.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:03 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all
> thebands
>
>
>
> I guess I have been lucky...have always figured a way to overcome
> interference issues with out involving offender or anyone else.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2017 10:48 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
> remediation terms wouldn't be a bad thing to have. ie "if some MFer
> collocates, tenant is absolved of all liability for .40 remediation of all
> offending equipment"
>
>
>
> and as I recently found out, make sure the property is clearly defined, if
> there are multiple structures on the property, make sure theyre included,
> and don't assume just because a facility is all in one location that there
> is only a single address. Maybe define the address as the plat ID(s)
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> DC to cosmic rays would be a bit more inclusive
>
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:12 AM
>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all
> thebands
>
> On 8/30/17 06:18, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges)
>
>
> 1MHz to 1THz
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

[Rory Conaway]

I suspect some others are going to want this spot when they find out about it.  
Just making sure it’s not an issue.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:03 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

I guess I have been lucky...have always figured a way to overcome interference 
issues with out involving offender or anyone else.
Jaime Solorza

On Aug 30, 2017 10:48 AM, "Steve Jones" 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
remediation terms wouldn't be a bad thing to have. ie "if some MFer collocates, 
tenant is absolved of all liability for .40 remediation of all offending 
equipment"

and as I recently found out, make sure the property is clearly defined, if 
there are multiple structures on the property, make sure theyre included, and 
don't assume just because a facility is all in one location that there is only 
a single address. Maybe define the address as the plat ID(s)

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
DC to cosmic rays would be a bit more inclusive

-Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:12 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

On 8/30/17 06:18, Chuck McCown wrote:
lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges)

1MHz to 1THz

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Josh Reynolds]

Lol :)

On Aug 30, 2017 12:05 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> If you use Panasonic your not picky in quality anyway.
>
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017, 2:22 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> Never say Never !
>>
>>
>> https://www.voipsupply.com/panasonic-kx-tpa65-desktop-dect-phone
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:05:35 PM
>>
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP
>>
>> DECT phones are great but not a direct replacement for a desk phone.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:16 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>> What I was trying to say is that in today's market the VOIP / DECT phones
>>> are no longer an expensive item.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> > From: "Seth Mattinen" 
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 6:39:27 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP
>>>
>>> > On 8/28/17 3:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>> >> https://www.voipsupply.com/manufacturer/yealink/dect
>>> >>
>>> >> I believe these would qualify as being pretty affordable !
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Those are; I have a Spectralink system.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Will ship from Asia around Oct. 1st.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds me, I 
> need to order some.
> 
> The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size box as 
> the Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time, but there 
> are a lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where these should be a 
> good fit.
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this point?  It's 
>> cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap between 180 and 190, 
>> but I still suggest Force 200.
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: "FCC ID Alert" 
>>> Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
>>> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
>>> To: "FCC ID Alert" 
>>> Cc: 
>>> 
>>> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for 
>>> New Equipment.
>>> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031 
>>> Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver
>>> unsubscribe
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP

[Lewis Bergman]

If you use Panasonic your not picky in quality anyway.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017, 2:22 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Never say Never !
>
>
> https://www.voipsupply.com/panasonic-kx-tpa65-desktop-dect-phone
>
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:05:35 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP
>
> DECT phones are great but not a direct replacement for a desk phone.
>
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:16 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> What I was trying to say is that in today's market the VOIP / DECT phones
>> are no longer an expensive item.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "Seth Mattinen" 
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 6:39:27 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AP for VoIP
>>
>> > On 8/28/17 3:25 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> >> https://www.voipsupply.com/manufacturer/yealink/dect
>> >>
>> >> I believe these would qualify as being pretty affordable !
>> >
>> >
>> > Those are; I have a Spectralink system.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Mathew Howard]

Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds me, I
need to order some.

The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size box as
the Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time, but there
are a lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where these should be a
good fit.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this point?
> It's cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap between 180 and
> 190, but I still suggest Force 200.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "FCC ID Alert" 
>> Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
>> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
>> To: "FCC ID Alert" 
>> Cc:
>>
>> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for
>> New Equipment.
>> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031
>> 
>> Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver
>>
>> unsubscribe
>> 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

[Jaime Solorza]

I guess I have been lucky...have always figured a way to overcome
interference issues with out involving offender or anyone else.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 30, 2017 10:48 AM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> remediation terms wouldn't be a bad thing to have. ie "if some MFer
> collocates, tenant is absolved of all liability for .40 remediation of all
> offending equipment"
>
> and as I recently found out, make sure the property is clearly defined, if
> there are multiple structures on the property, make sure theyre included,
> and don't assume just because a facility is all in one location that there
> is only a single address. Maybe define the address as the plat ID(s)
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> DC to cosmic rays would be a bit more inclusive
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:12 AM
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all
>> thebands
>>
>> On 8/30/17 06:18, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>> lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges)
>>>
>>
>> 1MHz to 1THz
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Josh Luthman]

Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this point?
It's cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap between 180 and
190, but I still suggest Force 200.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "FCC ID Alert" 
> Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
> To: "FCC ID Alert" 
> Cc:
>
> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for
> New Equipment.
> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031
> 
> Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver
>
> unsubscribe
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

[Steve Jones]

remediation terms wouldn't be a bad thing to have. ie "if some MFer
collocates, tenant is absolved of all liability for .40 remediation of all
offending equipment"

and as I recently found out, make sure the property is clearly defined, if
there are multiple structures on the property, make sure theyre included,
and don't assume just because a facility is all in one location that there
is only a single address. Maybe define the address as the plat ID(s)

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:34 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> DC to cosmic rays would be a bit more inclusive
>
> -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:12 AM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all
> thebands
>
> On 8/30/17 06:18, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges)
>>
>
> 1MHz to 1THz
>

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all thebands

[Chuck McCown]

DC to cosmic rays would be a bit more inclusive

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen

Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 10:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all 
thebands


On 8/30/17 06:18, Chuck McCown wrote:

lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges)


1MHz to 1THz 

Re: [AFMUG] Fate of the CBRS band

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/29/17 10:52, Matt Hoppes wrote:
What am I reading here that should be dooms day?  10MHz channels, you 
can only own 2 or 3.  So they want to CA... don't we?  What's the point? 
  We still keep the existing GAA spectrum regardless.



The CTIA is pushing to change that and make the whole thing PAL based on 
PEAs.


~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all the bands

[Rory Conaway]

What, what about my areas 800 miles off the coast, 400' under water?  I should 
expand that to 1Hz just in case.  Thanks.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all the bands

On 8/30/17 06:18, Chuck McCown wrote:
> lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges)

1MHz to 1THz

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all the bands

[Seth Mattinen]

On 8/30/17 06:18, Chuck McCown wrote:

lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges)


1MHz to 1THz

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Adam Moffett]

it puts out so many millivolts depending on how many amps are moving 
through it, so with a volt meter you can monitor what your load is.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/30/2017 11:36:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device



what does the shunt do in this case?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

Yeah, up to 10 amp.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device



I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.

From:Sam Lambie
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device


Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  
wrote:

4 batts in series or parallel?
Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have 
to write code.


From:Sam Lambie
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device


Hey all,
I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right 
now I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle 
marine batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able 
to monitor the discharge rate of the batteries when power is out 
remotely. What have you guys been doing to that effect?


I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on 
Python to put it all together...


--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 




--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Steve Jones]

what does the shunt do in this case?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 10:26 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Yeah, up to 10 amp.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>
> I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring
> device
>
> Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> 4 batts in series or parallel?
>> Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to
>> write code.
>>
>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now I
>> have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine
>> batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the
>> discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you
>> guys been doing to that effect?
>>
>> I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on Python
>> to put it all together...
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah, up to 10 amp.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/30/2017 11:18:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device



I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.

From:Sam Lambie
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring 
device


Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

4 batts in series or parallel?
Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to 
write code.


From:Sam Lambie
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

Hey all,
I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right 
now I have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle 
marine batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to 
monitor the discharge rate of the batteries when power is out 
remotely. What have you guys been doing to that effect?


I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on 
Python to put it all together...


--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598  Office
www.Taosnet.com 




--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Chuck McCown]

I think Forrest has them on his site with the site monitors.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  4 batts in series or parallel?  
  Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to write 
code.  

  From: Sam Lambie 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

  Hey all, 
  I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now I 
have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine batteries 
for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the discharge rate 
of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you guys been doing to 
that effect?

  I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on Python to 
put it all together...


  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com




-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Sam Lambie]

Parallel. Site Monitor! Now where can I get a shunt?

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> 4 batts in series or parallel?
> Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to
> write code.
>
> *From:* Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device
>
> Hey all,
> I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now I
> have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine
> batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the
> discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you
> guys been doing to that effect?
>
> I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on Python
> to put it all together...
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 <(575)%20758-7598> Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Chuck McCown]

4 batts in series or parallel?  
Shunt + sitemonitor would be a better way to go and you don’t have to write 
code.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 9:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

Hey all, 
I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now I have 
installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine batteries for a 
total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the discharge rate of 
the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you guys been doing to that 
effect?

I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on Python to put 
it all together...


-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

[AFMUG] Cost effective battery charging and monitoring device

[Sam Lambie]

Hey all,
I am getting away from using APC at a couple of our sites and right now I
have installed a Tripp-Lite APS750 connected to 4 Deep cycle marine
batteries for a total of 404 aH system. I'd like to be able to monitor the
discharge rate of the batteries when power is out remotely. What have you
guys been doing to that effect?

I'm thinking a Pi and a shunt and some quick scripting classes on Python to
put it all together...

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix + GIGEPOE ?

[Chuck McCown]

Yes.  The pairs on the GIGE-POE are 1/2 3/6 4/5 7/8

You must set the jumpers so that 1/2 and 4/5 are sending power to one of the 
terminals and 3/6 and 7/8 are sending the power to the other terminal.  It is 
possible to short out the line if the jumpers are set wrong.  

From: Louis Arsenault 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:22 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Netonix + GIGEPOE ?

Hey Everyone / Chuck, 

I have a Netonix switch and want to verify that the GIGEPOE can be used to 
extract power from it.
Netonix Specs say:
48VH 1.5A pins 1,2,4,5(+) 3,6,7,8(-)

Are the + - lines compatable with the GIGEPOE? I thought it would be but it let 
the magic smoke out of a GIGEPOE. When I let the magic smoke out I did _not_ 
have anything connected to the power terminal nor data jack on the GIGEPOE. I 
have a second but wanted to check with you to make sure this would work 
properly.


-- 

-Louis

NTInet
O: 803-533-1660 X 207
C: 803-997-0004

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all the bands

[Mark Radabaugh]

We use this fairly often:

Interference:Lessor grants to Amplex exclusive right to use the Premises 
for the broadcast of radio signals in the frequency ranges of 2400 to 
2500Mhz, 3550-3700Mhz and 5150-5825Mhz bands.Amplex may use other 
frequency bands at the site for which Amplex holds FCC licensees, or 
which are available for unlicensed use on a non-exclusive basis.


Sometimes we add "all unlicensed frequencies" instead of listing them 
specifically, or sometimes "Lessor grants Amplex right of first refusal 
on all other frequencies".


Mark


On 8/30/17 10:21 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:


One phrase, I like it.  Thanks.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 6:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all 
the bands


lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges)

*From:*Rory Conaway

*Sent:*Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:30 AM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*[AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all the 
bands


I am signing a site lease agreement but in this case, I want to make 
sure that nobody else uses any spectrum, aka, all of it, that might 
interfere.  Does anyone have an addendum for that?


*Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net ***

*www.triadwireless.net *

**

/“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.”/— Humphrey Bogart

[AFMUG] Netonix + GIGEPOE ?

[Louis Arsenault]

Hey Everyone / Chuck,

I have a Netonix switch and want to verify that the GIGEPOE can be used to
extract power from it.
Netonix Specs say:
48VH 1.5A pins 1,2,4,5(+) 3,6,7,8(-)

Are the + - lines compatable with the GIGEPOE? I thought it would be but it
let the magic smoke out of a GIGEPOE. When I let the magic smoke out I did
_not_ have anything connected to the power terminal nor data jack on the
GIGEPOE. I have a second but wanted to check with you to make sure this
would work properly.

-- 
-Louis

NTInet
O: 803-533-1660 X 207
C: 803-997-0004

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all the bands

[Rory Conaway]

One phrase, I like it.  Thanks.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 6:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all the bands

lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges)

From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all the bands

I am signing a site lease agreement but in this case, I want to make sure that 
nobody else uses any spectrum, aka, all of it, that might interfere.  Does 
anyone have an addendum for that?

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all the bands

[Chuck McCown]

lessor grants exclusive use of (frequency ranges) 

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] contract verbage for site lease that covers all the bands

I am signing a site lease agreement but in this case, I want to make sure that 
nobody else uses any spectrum, aka, all of it, that might interfere.  Does 
anyone have an addendum for that?

 

Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO

4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040

602-426-0542

r...@triadwireless.net

www.triadwireless.net

 

“A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart

 

[AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Colin Stanners]

-- Forwarded message --
From: "FCC ID Alert" 
Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
To: "FCC ID Alert" 
Cc:

A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for
New Equipment.
See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031

Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver

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