Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Josh Reynolds]

Checkout ygtc

On Aug 31, 2017 11:22 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> Not surprising, but sad to hear things haven’t changed one bit with
> ServerPlus in the years since I swore I would never use them again, lol!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:45 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>
>
>
> Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box. Because it
> was an issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The bills are always
> consistent. The level of irate i have right now excedes my bac, thats
> pretty high at 944 pm
>
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it comes from the
> DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we NAT our SM).
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> What does your DT say to do?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
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> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
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> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>
> Reviving a dead one, cause i can.
>
> So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to stop, still asks
> customers for the mac off their router, even though 95 percent of the
> routers on the market list the freaking wireless mac. They cant seem to
> follow simple poe instructions, constantly escalating (and billing) when
> they hook poes up backward.
>
>
>
> If you have another option, look into it. Because right now, ill get a
> follow up, solely because of this post, as i did from the original post im
> replying to.
>
>
>
>
>
> I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming paid mopes being
> mopes. What i dont like is mopes, billing us for mopery, and escalating
> response to being mopes when called out in public only. Promising to
> deescalate the mopery, and continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery.
>
>
>
> At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better option. At least
> when amrut answers the phone, our customers expectations drop to the level
> of outsource. And amrut will actually be consistent.
>
>
>
> On Jul 12, 2017 7:10 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> I'm not Direct TV and don't want to be compared to them.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2017 10:43 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:
>
> I am happy what we pay with the average hold times averaging 1-2 minutes.
> Our residential subs don't need hold times any shorter than that for after
> hours support. Compared to our other WISP's, we're the only one that offers
> 24/7 support anyway so we're already ahead of the competition there.
>
>
>
> I know when I call DirecTV or Verizon, Centurylink, I almost always wait
> at least 3-5 minutes before I get a rep. Not always but usually.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> I would pay 30% more from my current rates to reduce it to sub 30 seconds.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Jul 11, 2017 6:36 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> I am in the camp of “screw em”, let them hold or else they can call us in
> the morning.
>
>
>
> I would probably feel different if you were the first point of contact for
> all calls.
>
>
>
> But we take our calls directly during most waking & working hours.
>
>
>
> *From:* Layne Sisk
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 4:30 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>
>
>
> So Steve, I am not sure I fully understand the questions you are posing
> here, but I believe it is a simple integration issue that we can resolve
> easily.   Since you have been live with us less than 2 weeks I am sure it
> is simply a setting that can be 

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Sterling Jacobson]

Not surprising, but sad to hear things haven’t changed one bit with ServerPlus 
in the years since I swore I would never use them again, lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box. Because it was an 
issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The bills are always consistent. The 
level of irate i have right now excedes my bac, thats pretty high at 944 pm

On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it comes from the DT.  
None of my calls say anything about MAC (we NAT our SM).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
What does your DT say to do?


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From: "Steve Jones" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
Reviving a dead one, cause i can.
So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to stop, still asks 
customers for the mac off their router, even though 95 percent of the routers 
on the market list the freaking wireless mac. They cant seem to follow simple 
poe instructions, constantly escalating (and billing) when they hook poes up 
backward.

If you have another option, look into it. Because right now, ill get a follow 
up, solely because of this post, as i did from the original post im replying to.


I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming paid mopes being mopes. 
What i dont like is mopes, billing us for mopery, and escalating response to 
being mopes when called out in public only. Promising to deescalate the mopery, 
and continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery.

At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better option. At least when 
amrut answers the phone, our customers expectations drop to the level of 
outsource. And amrut will actually be consistent.

On Jul 12, 2017 7:10 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
I'm not Direct TV and don't want to be compared to them.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 11, 2017 10:43 PM, "Darin Steffl" 
> wrote:
I am happy what we pay with the average hold times averaging 1-2 minutes. Our 
residential subs don't need hold times any shorter than that for after hours 
support. Compared to our other WISP's, we're the only one that offers 24/7 
support anyway so we're already ahead of the competition there.

I know when I call DirecTV or Verizon, Centurylink, I almost always wait at 
least 3-5 minutes before I get a rep. Not always but usually.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
I would pay 30% more from my current rates to reduce it to sub 30 seconds.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 11, 2017 6:36 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
I am in the camp of “screw em”, let them hold or else they can call us in the 
morning.

I would probably feel different if you were the first point of contact for all 
calls.

But we take our calls directly during most waking & working hours.

From: Layne Sisk
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 4:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Jaime Solorza]

I will pray for your friends mum... just heard on news all high schools are
donation centers and Mesilla Valley Trucking donating trucks and drivers to
haul it down to Houston.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 10:06 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Youre mistaken. I call her that because shes a friend, as well as the
mother of my friend, and given who she is, and her ability to thrive
amongst adversity indicates her lack of communication this far into it
indicates shes no longer with us. Shes a louisianna redneck girl. You
mistake a friendly jib for a slight. Get that straight. A friend is likely
dead, thats how i cope.
Texas, above all our natural disasters in my lifetime has actually
reinvigorated my faith in our fellow man.
That makes the level of garbage that these shitboxes ripping people off all
the more worse...
Ive been refreshing my friends facebook timeline over an over, hoping for a
positive update i know isnt coming, to a degree its a stalker level,
shouldnt have let that bleed over to afmug.
It did, and i apologize, my last little outburst cost us ken, among others.

ANYHOW texas, thats some fucked up shit.

On Aug 31, 2017 10:53 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

I am glad I don't share your outlook..yes there will be shams,looting and
criminal activity but the helping your neighbor, regardless of color,race
or religion , movement has been and will continue to be greater.  Call me a
liberal, hippie or whatever...I believe in the goodness of man.  I would
never call a friend's mom a bitch.. Mother's are sacred..

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 9:42 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> There is so much shady business going on down there already, its a
> freaking shame. My friends mom we are figuring croaked out in corpus chisty
> (sp) at this point, and thats one of thousands of missing folks. And
> trashbags are pulling shams, and we dont even know if we can trust the damn
> red cross. That old bitch was a nice broad when she lived here. And half
> these people offering help will pocket a persons last dime to make people
> have a false sense that there is a chance. Just send a little cash.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 10:33 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> It was my wife's employer, Kool Smiles offices that participated in
>> drive.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:30 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> If you have an in on convoys you should set up a pickup address for some
>>> wisp deliveries. Other than the norm like red cross, there are so many
>>> places to donate, some even going to PACs people who want loot sent in dont
>>> have any reliable option (i state this cause i found out i sent 20 to a pac
>>> by mistake) 20 is not even a raindrop in a lake, but when you find out its
>>> going to a pac instead of people it pisses you off
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Water is scarce down there ..my wife and I provided 20 cases (40
>>> bottles) to a supply convoy heading out tonight.  We are going to send
>>> clothes on Saturday..Fort Bliss soldiers and several law enforcement
>>> officers are en route.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 8:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home
 Depots, Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next
 three weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are
 covering travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and
 Arcticcom so a long stay in Houston area would be tough.

 Jaime Solorza

 On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones" 
 wrote:

> Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
> outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
> they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
> please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
> now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
> He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of
> anybody, was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a
> contact or cell number, crazy.
> I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
> He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to
> find non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you
> match what fema pays?"
> Its all a racket
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
>
> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
> tax.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett" 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

Youre mistaken. I call her that because shes a friend, as well as the
mother of my friend, and given who she is, and her ability to thrive
amongst adversity indicates her lack of communication this far into it
indicates shes no longer with us. Shes a louisianna redneck girl. You
mistake a friendly jib for a slight. Get that straight. A friend is likely
dead, thats how i cope.
Texas, above all our natural disasters in my lifetime has actually
reinvigorated my faith in our fellow man.
That makes the level of garbage that these shitboxes ripping people off all
the more worse...
Ive been refreshing my friends facebook timeline over an over, hoping for a
positive update i know isnt coming, to a degree its a stalker level,
shouldnt have let that bleed over to afmug.
It did, and i apologize, my last little outburst cost us ken, among others.

ANYHOW texas, thats some fucked up shit.

On Aug 31, 2017 10:53 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

I am glad I don't share your outlook..yes there will be shams,looting and
criminal activity but the helping your neighbor, regardless of color,race
or religion , movement has been and will continue to be greater.  Call me a
liberal, hippie or whatever...I believe in the goodness of man.  I would
never call a friend's mom a bitch.. Mother's are sacred..

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 9:42 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> There is so much shady business going on down there already, its a
> freaking shame. My friends mom we are figuring croaked out in corpus chisty
> (sp) at this point, and thats one of thousands of missing folks. And
> trashbags are pulling shams, and we dont even know if we can trust the damn
> red cross. That old bitch was a nice broad when she lived here. And half
> these people offering help will pocket a persons last dime to make people
> have a false sense that there is a chance. Just send a little cash.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 10:33 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> It was my wife's employer, Kool Smiles offices that participated in
>> drive.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:30 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> If you have an in on convoys you should set up a pickup address for some
>>> wisp deliveries. Other than the norm like red cross, there are so many
>>> places to donate, some even going to PACs people who want loot sent in dont
>>> have any reliable option (i state this cause i found out i sent 20 to a pac
>>> by mistake) 20 is not even a raindrop in a lake, but when you find out its
>>> going to a pac instead of people it pisses you off
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Water is scarce down there ..my wife and I provided 20 cases (40
>>> bottles) to a supply convoy heading out tonight.  We are going to send
>>> clothes on Saturday..Fort Bliss soldiers and several law enforcement
>>> officers are en route.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 8:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home
 Depots, Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next
 three weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are
 covering travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and
 Arcticcom so a long stay in Houston area would be tough.

 Jaime Solorza

 On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones" 
 wrote:

> Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
> outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
> they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
> please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
> now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
> He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of
> anybody, was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a
> contact or cell number, crazy.
> I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
> He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to
> find non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you
> match what fema pays?"
> Its all a racket
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
>
> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
> tax.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>
>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>
>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Robert]

Simple...   Fuel taxes are there to pay for road maintenance.   The fact 
that electric cars are getting around the taxes they should pay for 
"using up" the road should not stop the process for fuel usage to go 
down the road continuing..   Use fuel on a highway in any form and that 
fuel should have a tax to maintain the road.   The right answer is a tax 
on electric vehicle mileage to equal fuel taxes per mile...


On 8/31/17 7:00 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

I'm not advocating this, but why?

Electric cars don't pay anything.

If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. 
Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids 
can engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a 
Volt with a diesel?


I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same 
thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Robert" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

As long as you keep it off-road!

On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
 > red diesel?  :-)
 >
 >
 >
 > -
 > Mike Hammett
 > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 > 


 > Midwest Internet Exchange 
 > 


 > The Brothers WISP 
 > 
 >
 >
 > 
 > 
 > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
 > *To: *af@afmug.com
 > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
 > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
 >
 > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
 > paying road tax.
 >
 > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  > wrote:
 >
 >     Funny you say that about the tank.
 >
 >     __ __
 >
 >     We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
 >     our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
 >     diesel.. 
 >
 >     It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
 >     around to see who had fuel for him.
 >
 >     __ __
 >
 >     It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
 >     on their signs denoting that they have no gas.
 >
 >     People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
 >     that do.
 >
 >     All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
 >
 >     __ __
 >
 >     I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set
 >     off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
 >
 >     My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair
 >     amount of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,
 >       because
 >
 >     they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 
 >
 >     __ __
 >
 >     Richard Strittmatter
 >
 >     __ __
 >
 >     *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
 >     ] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
 >     *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
 >     *To:* af@afmug.com 
 >     *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
 >     gas
 >
 >     __ __
 >
 >     I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have
 >     to refill it before the prices come back down.
 >
 >     __ __
 >
 >     On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones
 >     >
 >     wrote:
 >
 >         Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we
 >         would be down to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands
 >         we are still in the mid 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Jaime Solorza]

I am glad I don't share your outlook..yes there will be shams,looting and
criminal activity but the helping your neighbor, regardless of color,race
or religion , movement has been and will continue to be greater.  Call me a
liberal, hippie or whatever...I believe in the goodness of man.  I would
never call a friend's mom a bitch.. Mother's are sacred..

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 9:42 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> There is so much shady business going on down there already, its a
> freaking shame. My friends mom we are figuring croaked out in corpus chisty
> (sp) at this point, and thats one of thousands of missing folks. And
> trashbags are pulling shams, and we dont even know if we can trust the damn
> red cross. That old bitch was a nice broad when she lived here. And half
> these people offering help will pocket a persons last dime to make people
> have a false sense that there is a chance. Just send a little cash.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 10:33 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> It was my wife's employer, Kool Smiles offices that participated in
>> drive.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:30 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> If you have an in on convoys you should set up a pickup address for some
>>> wisp deliveries. Other than the norm like red cross, there are so many
>>> places to donate, some even going to PACs people who want loot sent in dont
>>> have any reliable option (i state this cause i found out i sent 20 to a pac
>>> by mistake) 20 is not even a raindrop in a lake, but when you find out its
>>> going to a pac instead of people it pisses you off
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Water is scarce down there ..my wife and I provided 20 cases (40
>>> bottles) to a supply convoy heading out tonight.  We are going to send
>>> clothes on Saturday..Fort Bliss soldiers and several law enforcement
>>> officers are en route.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 8:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home
 Depots, Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next
 three weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are
 covering travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and
 Arcticcom so a long stay in Houston area would be tough.

 Jaime Solorza

 On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones" 
 wrote:

> Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
> outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
> they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
> please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
> now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
> He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of
> anybody, was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a
> contact or cell number, crazy.
> I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
> He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to
> find non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you
> match what fema pays?"
> Its all a racket
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
>
> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
> tax.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>
>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>
>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids 
>> can
>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>> with a diesel?
>>
>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 

[AFMUG] Fwd: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack)

[Steve Jones]

Please convert this to a guy who just got into bgp. What are rhey talking
about exactly?
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
Date: Aug 31, 2017 9:06 PM
Subject: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack)
To:
Cc: 

Sorry for now taking up 1/4 of this thread
>
>
> My words in the last message don't match what I was thinking, but I think
> you all get the point. I'm sick, maybe I should be in bed instead of on
> NANOG.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> Cc: na...@nanog.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:02:07 PM
> Subject: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack)
>
> Actually, I do remember that one of them would optimize inbound routes,
> but only billed on outbound usage (as it was content-focused). My in is
> over 8x my out, so hrm... maybe I'm on to something.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> Cc: na...@nanog.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:55:46 PM
> Subject: Re: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack)
>
> I would like to use a BGP optimizer, but I'm too poor. :-\
>
> That said, I'm also an eyeball network, so modifications of my own
> advertisements are what affects the desired traffic, not so much the
> outbound routes. I know the BGP optimization industry is weighted towards
> content networks.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> Midwest-IX
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Job Snijders" 
> To: na...@nanog.org
> Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:06:49 PM
> Subject: BGP Optimizers (Was: Validating possible BGP MITM attack)
>
> Dear all,
>
> disclaimer:
>
> [ The following is targetted at the context where a BGP optimizer
> generates BGP announcement that are ordinarily not seen in the
> Default-Free Zone. The OP indicated they announce a /23, and were
> unpleasantly surprised to see two unauthorized announcements for /24
> more-specifics pop up in their alerting system. No permission was
> granted to create and announce these more-specifics. The AS_PATH
> for those /24 announcements was entirely fabricated. Original thread
> https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2017-August/092124.html ]
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:13:18AM -0700, Andy Litzinger wrote:
> > Presuming it was a route optimizer and the issue was ongoing, what
> > would be the suggested course of action?
>
> I strongly recommend to turn off those BGP optimizers, glue the ports
> shut, burn the hardware, and salt the grounds on which the BGP optimizer
> sales people walked.
>
> It is extremely irresponsible behavior to use software that generates
> _fake_ BGP more-specifics for the purpose of traffic engineering. You
> simply cannot expect that those more-specifics will never escape into
> the global DFZ! Relying on NO_EXPORT is not sufficient: we regularly see
> software bugs related to NO_EXPORT, and community-squashing
> configuration mistakes happen all the time.
>
> Consider the following: if you leak your own internal more-specifics, at
> least you are the legitimate destination. (You may suffer from
> suboptimal routing, but it isn't guaranteed downtime.) However if you
> generate fake more-specifics for prefixes belonging to OTHER
> organisations, you essentially are complicit in BGP hijacking. If those
> fake more-specifics accidentally leak into the DFZ, you are bringing
> down the actual owner of such prefixes, and depriving people from access
> to the Internet. Example case:
> https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2013-January/054846.html
>
> > reach out to those 2 AS owners and see if they could stop it?
>
> Yes, absolutely! And if everyone of the affected parties of this
> localized hijack leak (or should we say 'victims') reaches out to the
> wrongdoers, they contribute peer pressure to rectify the situation. Just
> make sure you assign blame to the correct party. :)
>
> > Or is it something I just have to live with as a traffic engineering
> > solution they are using and mark the alerts as false positives?
>
> No, this is not something we should just accept. The Default-Free Zone
> is a shared resource. Anyone using "BGP optimizers" is not only risking
> their own online presence, but also everyone else's. Using a BGP
> optimizer is essentially trading a degree of risk to society for the
> purpose of saving a few bucks or milliseconds. It is basically saying:
> "The optimizer helps me, but may hurt others, and I am fine with that".
>
> An analogy: We don't want transporters of radioactive material to cut
> corners by using 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

There is so much shady business going on down there already, its a freaking
shame. My friends mom we are figuring croaked out in corpus chisty (sp) at
this point, and thats one of thousands of missing folks. And trashbags are
pulling shams, and we dont even know if we can trust the damn red cross.
That old bitch was a nice broad when she lived here. And half these people
offering help will pocket a persons last dime to make people have a false
sense that there is a chance. Just send a little cash.

On Aug 31, 2017 10:33 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> It was my wife's employer, Kool Smiles offices that participated in drive.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:30 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> If you have an in on convoys you should set up a pickup address for some
>> wisp deliveries. Other than the norm like red cross, there are so many
>> places to donate, some even going to PACs people who want loot sent in dont
>> have any reliable option (i state this cause i found out i sent 20 to a pac
>> by mistake) 20 is not even a raindrop in a lake, but when you find out its
>> going to a pac instead of people it pisses you off
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Water is scarce down there ..my wife and I provided 20 cases (40 bottles)
>> to a supply convoy heading out tonight.  We are going to send clothes on
>> Saturday..Fort Bliss soldiers and several law enforcement officers are en
>> route.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 8:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home
>>> Depots, Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next
>>> three weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are
>>> covering travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and
>>> Arcticcom so a long stay in Houston area would be tough.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
 outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
 they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
 please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
 now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
 He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of
 anybody, was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a
 contact or cell number, crazy.
 I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
 He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find
 non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match
 what fema pays?"
 Its all a racket

 On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones" 
 wrote:

 You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
 generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
 tax.

 On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>
> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>
> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids 
> can
> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
> with a diesel?
>
> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Robert" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
> gas
>
> As long as you keep it off-road!
>
> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric
> use
> > red diesel?  :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Jaime Solorza]

It was my wife's employer, Kool Smiles offices that participated in drive.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 9:30 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> If you have an in on convoys you should set up a pickup address for some
> wisp deliveries. Other than the norm like red cross, there are so many
> places to donate, some even going to PACs people who want loot sent in dont
> have any reliable option (i state this cause i found out i sent 20 to a pac
> by mistake) 20 is not even a raindrop in a lake, but when you find out its
> going to a pac instead of people it pisses you off
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
> Water is scarce down there ..my wife and I provided 20 cases (40 bottles)
> to a supply convoy heading out tonight.  We are going to send clothes on
> Saturday..Fort Bliss soldiers and several law enforcement officers are en
> route.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 8:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home
>> Depots, Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next
>> three weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are
>> covering travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and
>> Arcticcom so a long stay in Houston area would be tough.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>>> Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
>>> outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
>>> they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
>>> please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
>>> now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
>>> He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of
>>> anybody, was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a
>>> contact or cell number, crazy.
>>> I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
>>> He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find
>>> non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match
>>> what fema pays?"
>>> Its all a racket
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>>> tax.
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>>
 I'm not advocating this, but why?

 Electric cars don't pay anything.

 If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
 Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
 engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
 with a diesel?

 I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
 thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --
 *From: *"Robert" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

 As long as you keep it off-road!

 On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
 > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
 > red diesel?  :-)
 >
 >
 >
 > -
 > Mike Hammett
 > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 > 
 > Midwest Internet Exchange 
 > 
 > The Brothers WISP 
 > 
 >
 >
 > 
 > 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

If you have an in on convoys you should set up a pickup address for some
wisp deliveries. Other than the norm like red cross, there are so many
places to donate, some even going to PACs people who want loot sent in dont
have any reliable option (i state this cause i found out i sent 20 to a pac
by mistake) 20 is not even a raindrop in a lake, but when you find out its
going to a pac instead of people it pisses you off

On Aug 31, 2017 9:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

Water is scarce down there ..my wife and I provided 20 cases (40 bottles)
to a supply convoy heading out tonight.  We are going to send clothes on
Saturday..Fort Bliss soldiers and several law enforcement officers are en
route.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 8:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home Depots,
> Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next three
> weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are
> covering travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and
> Arcticcom so a long stay in Houston area would be tough.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
>> outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
>> they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
>> please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
>> now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
>> He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of
>> anybody, was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a
>> contact or cell number, crazy.
>> I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
>> He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find
>> non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match
>> what fema pays?"
>> Its all a racket
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>> tax.
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>
>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>
>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>> with a diesel?
>>>
>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Robert" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>>
>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>
>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>>> > red diesel?  :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Mike Hammett
>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> > >> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> > >> /company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> > The Brothers WISP 
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
>>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>> >
>>> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Jaime Solorza]

Water is scarce down there ..my wife and I provided 20 cases (40 bottles)
to a supply convoy heading out tonight.  We are going to send clothes on
Saturday..Fort Bliss soldiers and several law enforcement officers are en
route.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 8:43 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home Depots,
> Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next three
> weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are
> covering travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and
> Arcticcom so a long stay in Houston area would be tough.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
>> Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
>> outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
>> they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
>> please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
>> now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
>> He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of
>> anybody, was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a
>> contact or cell number, crazy.
>> I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
>> He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find
>> non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match
>> what fema pays?"
>> Its all a racket
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>>
>> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
>> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
>> tax.
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>>
>>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>>
>>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>>> with a diesel?
>>>
>>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same
>>> thing, just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Robert" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>>
>>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>>
>>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>>> > red diesel?  :-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Mike Hammett
>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> > >> telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> > >> /company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> > The Brothers WISP 
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
>>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>> >
>>> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
>>> > paying road tax.
>>> >
>>> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Funny you say that about the tank.
>>> >
>>> > __ __
>>> >
>>> > We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
>>> > our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that
>>> had
>>> > diesel.. 
>>> >
>>> > It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. 

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Steve Jones]

Supposed to specifically state not to ask for a mac from box. Because it
was an issue. But, i bet we get an accurate bill. The bills are always
consistent. The level of irate i have right now excedes my bac, thats
pretty high at 944 pm

On Aug 31, 2017 9:31 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it comes from the
DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we NAT our SM).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> What does your DT say to do?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>
> Reviving a dead one, cause i can.
> So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to stop, still asks
> customers for the mac off their router, even though 95 percent of the
> routers on the market list the freaking wireless mac. They cant seem to
> follow simple poe instructions, constantly escalating (and billing) when
> they hook poes up backward.
>
> If you have another option, look into it. Because right now, ill get a
> follow up, solely because of this post, as i did from the original post im
> replying to.
>
>
> I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming paid mopes being
> mopes. What i dont like is mopes, billing us for mopery, and escalating
> response to being mopes when called out in public only. Promising to
> deescalate the mopery, and continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery.
>
> At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better option. At least
> when amrut answers the phone, our customers expectations drop to the level
> of outsource. And amrut will actually be consistent.
>
> On Jul 12, 2017 7:10 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not Direct TV and don't want to be compared to them.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2017 10:43 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:
>>
>>> I am happy what we pay with the average hold times averaging 1-2
>>> minutes. Our residential subs don't need hold times any shorter than that
>>> for after hours support. Compared to our other WISP's, we're the only one
>>> that offers 24/7 support anyway so we're already ahead of the competition
>>> there.
>>>
>>> I know when I call DirecTV or Verizon, Centurylink, I almost always wait
>>> at least 3-5 minutes before I get a rep. Not always but usually.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 I would pay 30% more from my current rates to reduce it to sub 30
 seconds.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jul 11, 2017 6:36 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 I am in the camp of “screw em”, let them hold or else they can call us
 in the morning.

 I would probably feel different if you were the first point of contact
 for all calls.

 But we take our calls directly during most waking & working hours.

 *From:* Layne Sisk
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 4:30 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT


 So Steve, I am not sure I fully understand the questions you are posing
 here, but I believe it is a simple integration issue that we can resolve
 easily.   Since you have been live with us less than 2 weeks I am sure it
 is simply a setting that can be adjusted.  I will email you off-list so we
 can set up a call to address the concerns.



 To address the comments mentioned by some others in the thread:



1. We do not route calls overseas unless it has been authorized by
the ISP.  The exception mentioned on the list here is that if and ISP 
 has a
complete outage and has 50-100 calls drop into queue before 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Jaime Solorza]

A company sent me an email for IT support work in Houston for Home Depots,
Dollar Store and others.. i have work here and in Lubbock next three
weeks...but I asked for SCOW and timeline, plus pay scale..they are
covering travel and expenses.  Plus I have support contract with GPS and
Arcticcom so a long stay in Houston area would be tough.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 8:37 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

> Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
> outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
> they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
> please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
> now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
> He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of
> anybody, was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a
> contact or cell number, crazy.
> I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
> He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find
> non contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match
> what fema pays?"
> Its all a racket
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
> You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
> generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
> tax.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>>
>> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>>
>> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel.
>> Well, I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
>> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
>> with a diesel?
>>
>> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing,
>> just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Robert" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>>
>> As long as you keep it off-road!
>>
>> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
>> > red diesel?  :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > Mike Hammett
>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > > /company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> > The Brothers WISP 
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> > 
>> 
>> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> > *To: *af@afmug.com
>> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
>> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>> >
>> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
>> > paying road tax.
>> >
>> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Funny you say that about the tank.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
>> > our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
>> > diesel.. 
>> >
>> > It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
>> > around to see who had fuel for him.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
>> > on their signs denoting that they have no gas.
>> >
>> > People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
>> > that do.
>> >
>> > All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
>> >
>> > __ __
>> >
>> > I 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

Was at a contract customer today, hes a truck managemnet and delivery
outfit, not sure what its called, but he basically is who they call when
they have stuff to go from a to b, and he arranges the truck... sombody
please tell me what thats called, ive been going there for ten years and
now feel too dumb to ask what its called.
He was trying to set up a run into houston and couldnt get hold of anybody,
was to the point of googling the shipper recipient to find a contact or
cell number, crazy.
I said "youll be making bank off this when the rebuild starys i bet"
He said no, after katrina and sandy it was virtually impossible to find non
contract trucks, cause the standard truck reaponse is "will you match what
fema pays?"
Its all a racket

On Aug 31, 2017 9:28 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
tax.

On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>
> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>
> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. Well,
> I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
> with a diesel?
>
> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing,
> just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Robert" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
> As long as you keep it off-road!
>
> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
> > red diesel?  :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> >  telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
> >  com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> > The Brothers WISP 
> > 
> >
> >
> > 
> > 
> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> > *To: *af@afmug.com
> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
> >
> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
> > paying road tax.
> >
> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  > > wrote:
> >
> > Funny you say that about the tank.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
> > our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
> > diesel.. 
> >
> > It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
> > around to see who had fuel for him.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
> > on their signs denoting that they have no gas.
> >
> > People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
> > that do.
> >
> > All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set
> > off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
> >
> > My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair
> > amount of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,
> >   because
> >
> > they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Richard Strittmatter
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> > ] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> >

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Josh Luthman]

That idea is coming from somewhere and I too would think it comes from the
DT.  None of my calls say anything about MAC (we NAT our SM).


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:27 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> What does your DT say to do?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>
> Reviving a dead one, cause i can.
> So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to stop, still asks
> customers for the mac off their router, even though 95 percent of the
> routers on the market list the freaking wireless mac. They cant seem to
> follow simple poe instructions, constantly escalating (and billing) when
> they hook poes up backward.
>
> If you have another option, look into it. Because right now, ill get a
> follow up, solely because of this post, as i did from the original post im
> replying to.
>
>
> I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming paid mopes being
> mopes. What i dont like is mopes, billing us for mopery, and escalating
> response to being mopes when called out in public only. Promising to
> deescalate the mopery, and continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery.
>
> At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better option. At least
> when amrut answers the phone, our customers expectations drop to the level
> of outsource. And amrut will actually be consistent.
>
> On Jul 12, 2017 7:10 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not Direct TV and don't want to be compared to them.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2017 10:43 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:
>>
>>> I am happy what we pay with the average hold times averaging 1-2
>>> minutes. Our residential subs don't need hold times any shorter than that
>>> for after hours support. Compared to our other WISP's, we're the only one
>>> that offers 24/7 support anyway so we're already ahead of the competition
>>> there.
>>>
>>> I know when I call DirecTV or Verizon, Centurylink, I almost always wait
>>> at least 3-5 minutes before I get a rep. Not always but usually.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 I would pay 30% more from my current rates to reduce it to sub 30
 seconds.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Jul 11, 2017 6:36 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

 I am in the camp of “screw em”, let them hold or else they can call us
 in the morning.

 I would probably feel different if you were the first point of contact
 for all calls.

 But we take our calls directly during most waking & working hours.

 *From:* Layne Sisk
 *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 4:30 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT


 So Steve, I am not sure I fully understand the questions you are posing
 here, but I believe it is a simple integration issue that we can resolve
 easily.   Since you have been live with us less than 2 weeks I am sure it
 is simply a setting that can be adjusted.  I will email you off-list so we
 can set up a call to address the concerns.



 To address the comments mentioned by some others in the thread:



1. We do not route calls overseas unless it has been authorized by
the ISP.  The exception mentioned on the list here is that if and ISP 
 has a
complete outage and has 50-100 calls drop into queue before the outage 
 is
identified we may use the overseas agents to simply pick up the call and
confirm to the customer there is an outage.  Once the outage is 
 identified
we put a message up on the phone system to stop the influx of calls.
Jeremy if that was a deal breaker for you we would certainly have looked
   

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

You can put red in on the generator at the shop to charge it. If the
generator is in the trunk charging as you drive you cant use it.. road
tax.

On Aug 31, 2017 9:00 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> I'm not advocating this, but why?
>
> Electric cars don't pay anything.
>
> If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. Well,
> I assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can
> engage the combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt
> with a diesel?
>
> I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing,
> just one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Robert" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
> As long as you keep it off-road!
>
> On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
> > red diesel?  :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> >  IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
> >  linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> twitter.com/mdwestix>
> > The Brothers WISP 
> > 
> >
> >
> > 
> > 
> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> > *To: *af@afmug.com
> > *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
> >
> > Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
> > paying road tax.
> >
> > On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  > > wrote:
> >
> > Funny you say that about the tank.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
> > our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
> > diesel.. 
> >
> > It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
> > around to see who had fuel for him.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
> > on their signs denoting that they have no gas.
> >
> > People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
> > that do.
> >
> > All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set
> > off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
> >
> > My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair
> > amount of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,
> >   because
> >
> > they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Richard Strittmatter
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> > ] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
> > gas
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have
> > to refill it before the prices come back down.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we
> > would be down to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands
> > we are still in the mid to high 70s, and as I understand it only
> > one refinery is slated to be offline for an extended time.
> >
> > 

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Mike Hammett]

What does your DT say to do? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:25:38 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT 


Reviving a dead one, cause i can. 
So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to stop, still asks 
customers for the mac off their router, even though 95 percent of the routers 
on the market list the freaking wireless mac. They cant seem to follow simple 
poe instructions, constantly escalating (and billing) when they hook poes up 
backward. 


If you have another option, look into it. Because right now, ill get a follow 
up, solely because of this post, as i did from the original post im replying 
to. 




I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming paid mopes being mopes. 
What i dont like is mopes, billing us for mopery, and escalating response to 
being mopes when called out in public only. Promising to deescalate the mopery, 
and continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery. 


At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better option. At least when 
amrut answers the phone, our customers expectations drop to the level of 
outsource. And amrut will actually be consistent. 


On Jul 12, 2017 7:10 AM, "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > wrote: 



I'm not Direct TV and don't want to be compared to them. 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Jul 11, 2017 10:43 PM, "Darin Steffl" < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: 



I am happy what we pay with the average hold times averaging 1-2 minutes. Our 
residential subs don't need hold times any shorter than that for after hours 
support. Compared to our other WISP's, we're the only one that offers 24/7 
support anyway so we're already ahead of the competition there. 


I know when I call DirecTV or Verizon, Centurylink, I almost always wait at 
least 3-5 minutes before I get a rep. Not always but usually. 


On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



I would pay 30% more from my current rates to reduce it to sub 30 seconds. 


Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 




On Jul 11, 2017 6:36 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I am in the camp of “screw em”, let them hold or else they can call us in the 
morning. 

I would probably feel different if you were the first point of contact for all 
calls. 

But we take our calls directly during most waking & working hours. 




From: Layne Sisk 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 4:30 PM 

To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT 




So Steve, I am not sure I fully understand the questions you are posing here, 
but I believe it is a simple integration issue that we can resolve easily. 
Since you have been live with us less than 2 weeks I am sure it is simply a 
setting that can be adjusted. I will email you off-list so we can set up a call 
to address the concerns. 

To address the comments mentioned by some others in the thread: 


1. We do not route calls overseas unless it has been authorized by the ISP. 
The exception mentioned on the list here is that if and ISP has a complete 
outage and has 50-100 calls drop into queue before the outage is identified we 
may use the overseas agents to simply pick up the call and confirm to the 
customer there is an outage. Once the outage is identified we put a message up 
on the phone system to stop the influx of calls. Jeremy if that was a deal 
breaker for you we would certainly have looked for an alternative, sorry that 
created a problem. For us it is a balance to make sure that one ISPs outage 
does not create long hold times for all other clients. 



1. Our average hold time is typically between 1 and 2 minutes. For example 
today it is 1:33. Month to date it is approx. 1:28. It is certainly possible to 
shorten that time, but not while maintaining our standard pricing structure. It 
is a balance between cost and service, much in the same way that a WISP can 
usually provide more bandwidth but the balance between cost and speed has to be 
considered. 



1. We definitely do not have a mandatory hold time, only an average which 
we are always working to decrease, most customers calls are answered within 
seconds. 


I would pose a question to the group, would you be willing to pay say 30% more 
for the service, if the hold times dropped by 30 seconds? Most people I have 
spoken with have said no, but it was admittedly a small sample size. We have 
considered a scaled pricing model with a hold time SLA of < 3 min, < 2 min, < 1 
min. What are your thoughts? 

Layne Sisk 
ServerPlus 
801.426.8283, ext 102 
New logo xl
http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Richard Strittmatter]

I didn’t say the nearest station was not off-road… ;)
It just points out how stupid all this fuel business is right now..

I’m headed down to Houston this weekend to help some family, and I’m packing 
about 15 gallons of
gas just so I can make sure I’ll make it back to civilization.. They said it’s 
pretty bleak down there for fuel, and other essentials.
Taking milk, produce, and infant stuff.. They specifically asked for green 
beans, lettuce and such.. Stinks..

Richard



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

I'm not advocating this, but why?

Electric cars don't pay anything.

If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. Well, I 
assume. Why can't I put red diesel into...  sorry, most hybrids can engage the 
combustion motor for movement  a factory version of a Volt with a diesel?

I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing, just 
one comes with the generator and the other doesn't.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Robert" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

As long as you keep it off-road!

On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use
> red diesel?  :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> 
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> >
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
> Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
> paying road tax.
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" > > wrote:
>
> Funny you say that about the tank.
>
> __ __
>
> We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
> our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
> diesel.. 
>
> It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
> around to see who had fuel for him.
>
> __ __
>
> It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
> on their signs denoting that they have no gas.
>
> People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
> that do.
>
> All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
>
> __ __
>
> I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set
> off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
>
> My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair
> amount of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,
>   because
>
> they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 
>
> __ __
>
> Richard Strittmatter
>
> __ __
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>  %20%3cmailto:af-boun...@afmug.com%3e>] *On 

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT

[Steve Jones]

Reviving a dead one, cause i can.
So serverplus, no matter how many times you ask them to stop, still asks
customers for the mac off their router, even though 95 percent of the
routers on the market list the freaking wireless mac. They cant seem to
follow simple poe instructions, constantly escalating (and billing) when
they hook poes up backward.

If you have another option, look into it. Because right now, ill get a
follow up, solely because of this post, as i did from the original post im
replying to.


I dont mind our own mopes being mopes. I dont even ming paid mopes being
mopes. What i dont like is mopes, billing us for mopery, and escalating
response to being mopes when called out in public only. Promising to
deescalate the mopery, and continuing to be mopes and billing for mopery.

At this point, direct dialing saudi arabia is a better option. At least
when amrut answers the phone, our customers expectations drop to the level
of outsource. And amrut will actually be consistent.

On Jul 12, 2017 7:10 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> I'm not Direct TV and don't want to be compared to them.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Jul 11, 2017 10:43 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:
>
>> I am happy what we pay with the average hold times averaging 1-2 minutes.
>> Our residential subs don't need hold times any shorter than that for after
>> hours support. Compared to our other WISP's, we're the only one that offers
>> 24/7 support anyway so we're already ahead of the competition there.
>>
>> I know when I call DirecTV or Verizon, Centurylink, I almost always wait
>> at least 3-5 minutes before I get a rep. Not always but usually.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I would pay 30% more from my current rates to reduce it to sub 30
>>> seconds.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2017 6:36 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am in the camp of “screw em”, let them hold or else they can call us
>>> in the morning.
>>>
>>> I would probably feel different if you were the first point of contact
>>> for all calls.
>>>
>>> But we take our calls directly during most waking & working hours.
>>>
>>> *From:* Layne Sisk
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 11, 2017 4:30 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus/powercode users, OT
>>>
>>>
>>> So Steve, I am not sure I fully understand the questions you are posing
>>> here, but I believe it is a simple integration issue that we can resolve
>>> easily.   Since you have been live with us less than 2 weeks I am sure it
>>> is simply a setting that can be adjusted.  I will email you off-list so we
>>> can set up a call to address the concerns.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To address the comments mentioned by some others in the thread:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>1. We do not route calls overseas unless it has been authorized by
>>>the ISP.  The exception mentioned on the list here is that if and ISP 
>>> has a
>>>complete outage and has 50-100 calls drop into queue before the outage is
>>>identified we may use the overseas agents to simply pick up the call and
>>>confirm to the customer there is an outage.  Once the outage is 
>>> identified
>>>we put a message up on the phone system to stop the influx of calls.
>>>Jeremy if that was a deal breaker for you we would certainly have looked
>>>for an alternative, sorry that created a problem.  For us it is a balance
>>>to make sure that one ISPs outage does not create long hold times for all
>>>other clients.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>1. Our average hold time is typically between 1 and 2 minutes.  For
>>>example today it is 1:33.  Month to date it is approx. 1:28.  It is
>>>certainly possible to shorten that time, but not while maintaining our
>>>standard pricing structure.  It is a balance between cost and service, 
>>> much
>>>in the same way that a WISP can usually provide more bandwidth but the
>>>balance between cost and speed has to be considered.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>1. We definitely do not have a mandatory hold time, only an average
>>>which we are always working to decrease, most customers calls are 
>>> answered
>>>within seconds.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would pose a question to the group, would you be willing to pay say
>>> 30% more for the service, if the hold times dropped by 30 seconds?  Most
>>> people I have spoken with have said no, but it was admittedly a small
>>> sample size.  We have considered a scaled pricing model with a hold time
>>> SLA of  < 3 min, < 2 min, < 1 min.   What are your thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Layne Sisk
>>>
>>> ServerPlus
>>>
>>> 801.426.8283, ext 102 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Mike Hammett]

I'm not advocating this, but why? 

Electric cars don't pay anything. 

If I put a diesel generator into a Chevy Volt, I can use red diesel. Well, I 
assume. Why can't I put red diesel into... sorry, most hybrids can engage the 
combustion motor for movement a factory version of a Volt with a diesel? 

I know one is legal and one is not, but they're basically the same thing, just 
one comes with the generator and the other doesn't. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Robert"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:51:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas 

As long as you keep it off-road! 

On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use 
> red diesel? :-) 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions  
> 
>  
> Midwest Internet Exchange  
> 
>  
> The Brothers WISP  
>  
> 
> 
>  
>  
> *From: *"Steve Jones"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com 
> *Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas 
> 
> Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent 
> paying road tax. 
> 
> On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  > wrote: 
> 
> Funny you say that about the tank. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to 
> our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had 
> diesel..  
> 
> It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call 
> around to see who had fuel for him. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00 
> on their signs denoting that they have no gas. 
> 
> People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations 
> that do. 
> 
> All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set 
> off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them. 
> 
> My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair 
> amount of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already, 
> because 
> 
> they have sent a contingent down to Houston.  
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> Richard Strittmatter 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com 
> ] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM 
> *To:* af@afmug.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over 
> gas 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have 
> to refill it before the prices come back down. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones 
> > 
> wrote: 
> 
> Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we 
> would be down to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands 
> we are still in the mid to high 70s, and as I understand it only 
> one refinery is slated to be offline for an extended time. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the 
> garage, more if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, 
> but we are coming up on the labor day price hike, in conjunction 
> with this, theres going to be some gouging attempts, but its 
> been made federally clear that gouging wont be tolerated. 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> __ __ 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum  > wrote: 
> 
> So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would 
> soon run out of gas because the refineries are all shut down. 
> So, guess what started happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I 
> went to fill up my wife's car last night as it was running on 
> about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I thought that was 
> strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make a 
> morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas 
> station I passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to 
> wait. I went home, emptied all my gas cans into my 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

[Political] im obviously a trumpian. But i fully believe in accountabily.
My man claims there will be hypervigilance on the gouging, my mans doj has
claimed hypervigilance on gouging. If you see it, report it. Im not talkin
3.50 gas, thats anticipated as a result of the holiday on top of the
disaster with a petroleum reserve release. But if it tops 4, report it,
dont just bitch on afmug, see if my boy sticks to his word and hold the
vultures acountable. Even if i dont believe federal law should supercede
supply and demand, report it to legitimate authorities.

On Aug 31, 2017 8:34 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use red
diesel?  :-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 




Midwest Internet Exchange 



The Brothers WISP 




--
*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
paying road tax.

On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  wrote:

> Funny you say that about the tank.
>
>
>
> We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to our
> colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had diesel..
>
> It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
> around to see who had fuel for him.
>
>
>
> It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00 on
> their signs denoting that they have no gas.
>
> People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations that
> do.
>
> All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
>
>
>
> I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set off,
> but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
>
> My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair amount
> of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,  because
>
> they have sent a contingent down to Houston.
>
>
>
> Richard Strittmatter
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
>
>
> I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have to
> refill it before the prices come back down.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down
> to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to
> high 70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline
> for an extended time.
>
>
>
> Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more
> if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on
> the labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some
> gouging attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be
> tolerated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run
> out of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started
> happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last
> night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I
> thought that was strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make
> a morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I
> passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home,
> emptied all my gas cans into my project truck, and went back and got in
> line. For the most part people were being courteous, but when I got out of
> my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it
> over who was supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front of mine.
> She was threatening to back into his car so he called the cops. The truck
> in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a pump in less than
> 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had called the cops, so she then
> called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, making it a priority call
> so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the
> cops. The look on the cops face 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Robert]

As long as you keep it off-road!

On 8/31/17 6:34 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use 
red diesel?  :-)




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent 
paying road tax.


On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" > wrote:


Funny you say that about the tank.

__ __

We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to
our colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had
diesel.. 

It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
around to see who had fuel for him.

__ __

It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00
on their signs denoting that they have no gas.

People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations
that do.

All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.

__ __

I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set
off, but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.

My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair
amount of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,
  because

they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 

__ __

Richard Strittmatter

__ __

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over
gas

__ __

I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have
to refill it before the prices come back down.

__ __

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones
>
wrote:

Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we
would be down to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands
we are still in the mid to high 70s, and as I understand it only
one refinery is slated to be offline for an extended time.

__ __

Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the
garage, more if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful,
but we are coming up on the labor day price hike, in conjunction
with this, theres going to be some gouging attempts, but its
been made federally clear that gouging wont be tolerated.

__ __

__ __

__ __

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum > wrote:

So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would
soon run out of gas because the refineries are all shut down.
So, guess what started happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I
went to fill up my wife's car last night as it was running on
about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I thought that was
strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make a
morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas
station I passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to
wait. I went home, emptied all my gas cans into my project
truck, and went back and got in line. For the most part people
were being courteous, but when I got out of my truck, a guy in a
black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it over who was
supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front of mine. She
was threatening to back into his car so he called the cops. The
truck in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a
pump in less than 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had
called the cops, so she then called the cops and claimed the guy
accosted her, making it a priority call so they showed up quick.
He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the cops. The 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Mike Hammett]

If an electric car pays no fuel tax, can a hybrid diesel-electric use red 
diesel? :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Steve Jones"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:15:16 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas 


Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent paying 
road tax. 


On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter" < rich...@mesh.net > wrote: 





Funny you say that about the tank. 

We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to our colo 
genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had diesel.. 
It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call around to 
see who had fuel for him. 

It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00 on their 
signs denoting that they have no gas. 
People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations that do. 
All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that. 

I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set off, but 
it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them. 
My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair amount of 
time at gas stations today. They are short handed already, because 
they have sent a contingent down to Houston. 

Richard Strittmatter 


From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas 


I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have to refill it 
before the prices come back down. 



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down to 
just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to high 
70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline for an 
extended time. 



Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more if 
you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on the 
labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some gouging 
attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be tolerated. 







On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum < cc...@wispmon.com > wrote: 

So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run out of 
gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started happening 
in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last night as it 
was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I thought that was 
strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make a morning stop had 4 
deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I passed was the same. My truck 
was on E so I had to wait. I went home, emptied all my gas cans into my project 
truck, and went back and got in line. For the most part people were being 
courteous, but when I got out of my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in 
red sedan were going at it over who was supposed to get the pump next at the 
pump in front of mine. She was threatening to back into his car so he called 
the cops. The truck in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a 
pump in less than 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had called the cops, so 
she then called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, making it a priority 
call so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the 
cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing with 
this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100 offices down 
to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an argument at the gas pump 
is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as to what might be coming to 
the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is refined down this way, so 
unless things get better fast, there could be shortages in a lot of places. 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

Generator gas is offroad, you folks buying generator gas surely arent
paying road tax.

On Aug 31, 2017 8:11 PM, "Richard Strittmatter"  wrote:

> Funny you say that about the tank.
>
>
>
> We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to our
> colo genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had diesel..
>
> It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call
> around to see who had fuel for him.
>
>
>
> It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00 on
> their signs denoting that they have no gas.
>
> People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations that
> do.
>
> All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.
>
>
>
> I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set off,
> but it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
>
> My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair amount
> of time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,  because
>
> they have sent a contingent down to Houston.
>
>
>
> Richard Strittmatter
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas
>
>
>
> I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have to
> refill it before the prices come back down.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down
> to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to
> high 70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline
> for an extended time.
>
>
>
> Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more
> if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on
> the labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some
> gouging attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be
> tolerated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run
> out of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started
> happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last
> night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I
> thought that was strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make
> a morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I
> passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home,
> emptied all my gas cans into my project truck, and went back and got in
> line. For the most part people were being courteous, but when I got out of
> my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it
> over who was supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front of mine.
> She was threatening to back into his car so he called the cops. The truck
> in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a pump in less than
> 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had called the cops, so she then
> called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, making it a priority call
> so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the
> cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing
> with this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100
> offices down to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an
> argument at the gas pump is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as
> to what might be coming to the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is
> refined down this way, so unless things get better fast, there could be
> shortages in a lot of places.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Steve Jones]

Um yeah, that 1 mile. That was the limit i set, but i have no
authourity to stab installer monkeys (something to do with peta and tree
huggers) the 180 is perfect for not blinding the ap when atpc isnt enough
on the 200 without spirious noise all over the locale from a downtilt (or
left right tilt cause the fucking monkeys dont listen)
But i find these cocks at 3 miles, cause they can be clipped to a fucking
downspout on december 3.
Stab stab stab, fucking stab.
I like the parabolic design, assuming they are wind light.
F% wrote:

> We'll probably never buy the 190. The 180 works fine up to maybe a mile,
> 200 for anything beyond that.
>
> On 8/31/2017 4:44 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Yeah, once it's assembled it's going to look more or less like a Force
> 200, but it's a four piece dish that snaps together somehow, so it comes in
> a much smaller box.
>
> I'm not really convinced that there's that much use for a smaller dish,
> but Ubiquiti has been selling a 22dbi and a 25dbi model forever, so I guess
> there's a market for a slightly cheaper, slightly lower gain SM.
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> i was sent an image, this is a dish style, like a mini 2000?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I'm thinking?  99% of our installs are Force 200.  Too much
>>> gain?  Oh well ATPC takes care of it.
>>>
>>> Best case you're saving $30 which is assuming $0 cost of maintaining
>>> another item, room in the van, never mistakenly used it when it should have
>>> been a 200...
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:00 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
>>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>>
 I really don't know where this fits in. Who wants to keep three radios
 on the truck? If they could have
 made the same design for say a 27db antenna, that would be something
 we'd use.

 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> No, we'll probably keep using the 180 for really short links, but we
> really don't use that many as it is. I'm not really sure how often we'll
> end up using the 190, but I'm thinking it will be something like if we get
> less than -60 use a Force 200, otherwise, use a 190 or a 180.
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you dropping 180 for the 190?  In what situation would you use a
>> 190 (previously 180) instead of a 200?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds
>>> me, I need to order some.
>>>
>>> The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size
>>> box as the Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time,
>>> but there are a lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where 
>>> these
>>> should be a good fit.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this
 point?  It's cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap 
 between
 180 and 190, but I still suggest Force 200.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners <
 cstann...@gmail.com> wrote:

> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "FCC ID Alert" 
> Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
> To: "FCC ID Alert" 
> Cc:
>
> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks
> Inc. for New Equipment.
> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031
> 
> Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver
>
> unsubscribe
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Richard Strittmatter]

Funny you say that about the tank.

We just had to “borrow” some diesel from one of our extra tanks to our colo 
genset, to get one of our guys to the next station that had diesel..
It was over 20+ miles away, and his 2500 was past E.. We had to call around to 
see who had fuel for him.

It’s pretty crazy here in DFW, most of the stations here have 0.00 on their 
signs denoting that they have no gas.
People lined up all down the access roads for fuel for the stations that do.
All mine stay pretty full, but I’ve always done that.

I personally think the media should be ashamed of the panic they set off, but 
it’s all about what gets people pumped up, to them.
My wife works for a municipality, and their officers spent a fair amount of 
time at gas stations today. They are short handed already,  because
they have sent a contingent down to Houston.

Richard Strittmatter

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:52 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have to refill it 
before the prices come back down.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down to 
just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to high 
70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline for an 
extended time.

Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more if 
you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on the 
labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some gouging 
attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be tolerated.



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum 
> wrote:
So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run out of 
gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started happening 
in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last night as it 
was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I thought that was 
strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make a morning stop had 4 
deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I passed was the same. My truck 
was on E so I had to wait. I went home, emptied all my gas cans into my project 
truck, and went back and got in line. For the most part people were being 
courteous, but when I got out of my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in 
red sedan were going at it over who was supposed to get the pump next at the 
pump in front of mine. She was threatening to back into his car so he called 
the cops. The truck in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a 
pump in less than 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had called the cops, so 
she then called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, making it a priority 
call so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the 
cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing with 
this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100 offices down 
to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an argument at the gas pump 
is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as to what might be coming to 
the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is refined down this way, so 
unless things get better fast, there could be shortages in a lot of places.

Re: [AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting

[Steve Jones]

Thats like the majik of nascar

On Aug 31, 2017 4:04 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I am certain I have seen a camera enclosure that had a roll of something
> like saran wrap that you could either manually advance or perhaps it slowly
> advanced itself to keep the view clear.  (Someone was asking about keeping
> the lens clean).  I suppose you could also set one up to spray some cleaner
> followed by a blast of compressed air or CO2.
>
> But yeah, having the camera or DVR be able to ignore certain areas of the
> frame is nice.  I have a couple of systems like that.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:00 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting
>
> Damn spider webs, spiders, and birds. Hard to see in the daytime but
> drives the motion sense crazy on cameras.
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:23 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> If sensitivity too low , nothing gets recorded.  We had to reduce it
>> during dust storm season
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 12:19 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gen3 cameras are still picking up floor space that gets lit with a
>>> brighter screen on a TV.  Sometimes bugs and stuff too, hard to fault that
>>> though.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Controller does, dunno if they are using that

 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Steve Jones <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
 > Does it support masking. We had a bear of a time at a factory til we
 > realised a clipboard that had paper onnit fluttered enoug from a fan
 to trip
 > md even though you couldnt really see it on the low res monitor.
 >
 >
 > On Aug 30, 2017 10:30 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
 >
 > Gen3 ?
 >
 > Gen 2s always had an issue for us the night vision would trip motion
 >
 > for fly s and mosquito s.
 >
 > We finally put a yellow lamp near the cam and bugs went away
 >
 > (grams remedy for bugs in MN at night)
 >
 > shocked as I was
 >
 > Mitch
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > On 8/30/2017 9:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
 >>
 >> One of the cameras at Fabens Waste Water Treatment Plant is
 triggering
 >> night time recordings that manager asked me investigate and
 minimize.  I
 >> changed sensitivity to 15 from 50. But I doubt it will help.
 Airvision Pro
 >> Cameras. I will check video on Friday.  Ideas?
 >>
 >> Jaime Solorza
 >
 >
 >

>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Robert Andrews]

Ok, maybe I'm paranoid, but just filled all the gas cans, put in staybl 
and I should be set, just for the price increase, if nothing else...


On 08/31/2017 01:43 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be 
down to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in 
the mid to high 70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated 
to be offline for an extended time.


Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, 
more if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are 
coming up on the labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres 
going to be some gouging attempts, but its been made federally clear 
that gouging wont be tolerated.




On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum > wrote:


So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon
run out of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess
what started happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill
up my wife's car last night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and
all the pumps were busy. I thought that was strange at 10pm. This
morning, the local 7-11 where I make a morning stop had 4 deep at
each pump. At lunch, every gas station I passed was the same. My
truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home, emptied all my gas
cans into my project truck, and went back and got in line. For the
most part people were being courteous, but when I got out of my
truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at
it over who was supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front
of mine. She was threatening to back into his car so he called the
cops. The truck in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she
got a pump in less than 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had
called the cops, so she then called the cops and claimed the guy
accosted her, making it a priority call so they showed up quick. He
pumped his gas and left and she waited for the cops. The look on the
cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing with this woman
with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100 offices down
to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an argument at
the gas pump is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as to
what might be coming to the rest of the country soon. Most of the
gas is refined down this way, so unless things get better fast,
there could be shortages in a lot of places.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Networks UVC-G3 Tower Camera

[Robert Andrews]

On linux look at the package "motion"

Robert

On 08/31/2017 03:17 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
I didn't see that feature on Airvision cameras I have installed...I am 
using some Hikvision IP cameras sending snapshots to NAS every 30 
minutes at two construction sites.  Cameras cost about 115.00 each...NAS 
has 4TBs HD. Creating a time lapse scenario for construction company and 
engineers.  They view it via Cradlepoint LTE router..25.00 a month SIM 
card service...


Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 3:18 PM, "Matt" > wrote:


Wanting a tower camera.  I want to have a script on a linux server
pull a snap shot from the camera every 60 seconds and post it as a
still image to a website.  Will the UVC-G3 work for this?

It would be even better if the camera could just FTP the image in
itself.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Networks UVC-G3 Tower Camera

[Jaime Solorza]

I didn't see that feature on Airvision cameras I have installed...I am
using some Hikvision IP cameras sending snapshots to NAS every 30 minutes
at two construction sites.  Cameras cost about 115.00 each...NAS has 4TBs
HD. Creating a time lapse scenario for construction company and engineers.
They view it via Cradlepoint LTE router..25.00 a month SIM card service...

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 3:18 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

> Wanting a tower camera.  I want to have a script on a linux server
> pull a snap shot from the camera every 60 seconds and post it as a
> still image to a website.  Will the UVC-G3 work for this?
>
> It would be even better if the camera could just FTP the image in itself.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[George Skorup]

We'll probably never buy the 190. The 180 works fine up to maybe a mile, 
200 for anything beyond that.


On 8/31/2017 4:44 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Yeah, once it's assembled it's going to look more or less like a Force 
200, but it's a four piece dish that snaps together somehow, so it 
comes in a much smaller box.


I'm not really convinced that there's that much use for a smaller 
dish, but Ubiquiti has been selling a 22dbi and a 25dbi model forever, 
so I guess there's a market for a slightly cheaper, slightly lower 
gain SM.


On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


i was sent an image, this is a dish style, like a mini 2000?

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:

That's what I'm thinking?  99% of our installs are Force 200. 
Too much gain?  Oh well ATPC takes care of it.

Best case you're saving $30 which is assuming $0 cost of
maintaining another item, room in the van, never mistakenly
used it when it should have been a 200...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:00 PM, can...@believewireless.net
 > wrote:

I really don't know where this fits in. Who wants to keep
three radios on the truck? If they could have
made the same design for say a 27db antenna, that would be
something we'd use.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

No, we'll probably keep using the 180 for really short
links, but we really don't use that many as it is. I'm
not really sure how often we'll end up using the 190,
but I'm thinking it will be something like if we get
less than -60 use a Force 200, otherwise, use a 190 or
a 180.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

Are you dropping 180 for the 190?  In what
situation would you use a 190 (previously 180)
instead of a 200?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

Yup... it's existence has been public for
awhile... and this reminds me, I need to order
some.

The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it
comes in the same size box as the Force 180. I
still expect to use Force 200s most of the
time, but there are a lot of cases where the
180 isn't quite enough where these should be a
good fit.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at
distributors at this point?  It's cheaper
and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good
gap between 180 and 190, but I still
suggest Force 200.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340

Direct: 937-552-2343

1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin
Stanners > wrote:

-- Forwarded message --
From: "FCC ID Alert" >
Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, once it's assembled it's going to look more or less like a Force 200,
but it's a four piece dish that snaps together somehow, so it comes in a
much smaller box.

I'm not really convinced that there's that much use for a smaller dish, but
Ubiquiti has been selling a 22dbi and a 25dbi model forever, so I guess
there's a market for a slightly cheaper, slightly lower gain SM.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> i was sent an image, this is a dish style, like a mini 2000?
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> That's what I'm thinking?  99% of our installs are Force 200.  Too much
>> gain?  Oh well ATPC takes care of it.
>>
>> Best case you're saving $30 which is assuming $0 cost of maintaining
>> another item, room in the van, never mistakenly used it when it should have
>> been a 200...
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:00 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I really don't know where this fits in. Who wants to keep three radios
>>> on the truck? If they could have
>>> made the same design for say a 27db antenna, that would be something
>>> we'd use.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 No, we'll probably keep using the 180 for really short links, but we
 really don't use that many as it is. I'm not really sure how often we'll
 end up using the 190, but I'm thinking it will be something like if we get
 less than -60 use a Force 200, otherwise, use a 190 or a 180.

 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Are you dropping 180 for the 190?  In what situation would you use a
> 190 (previously 180) instead of a 200?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds
>> me, I need to order some.
>>
>> The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size
>> box as the Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time,
>> but there are a lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where these
>> should be a good fit.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this
>>> point?  It's cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap 
>>> between
>>> 180 and 190, but I still suggest Force 200.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners >> > wrote:
>>>
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: "FCC ID Alert" 
 Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
 Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
 To: "FCC ID Alert" 
 Cc:

 A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks
 Inc. for New Equipment.
 See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031
 
 Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver

 unsubscribe
 

>>>
>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting

[Jaime Solorza]

I used the masque to ignore some areas...will know tomorrow.

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 3:04 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I am certain I have seen a camera enclosure that had a roll of something
> like saran wrap that you could either manually advance or perhaps it slowly
> advanced itself to keep the view clear.  (Someone was asking about keeping
> the lens clean).  I suppose you could also set one up to spray some cleaner
> followed by a blast of compressed air or CO2.
>
> But yeah, having the camera or DVR be able to ignore certain areas of the
> frame is nice.  I have a couple of systems like that.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:00 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting
>
> Damn spider webs, spiders, and birds. Hard to see in the daytime but
> drives the motion sense crazy on cameras.
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:23 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> If sensitivity too low , nothing gets recorded.  We had to reduce it
>> during dust storm season
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 12:19 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gen3 cameras are still picking up floor space that gets lit with a
>>> brighter screen on a TV.  Sometimes bugs and stuff too, hard to fault that
>>> though.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Controller does, dunno if they are using that

 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Steve Jones <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
 > Does it support masking. We had a bear of a time at a factory til we
 > realised a clipboard that had paper onnit fluttered enoug from a fan
 to trip
 > md even though you couldnt really see it on the low res monitor.
 >
 >
 > On Aug 30, 2017 10:30 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
 >
 > Gen3 ?
 >
 > Gen 2s always had an issue for us the night vision would trip motion
 >
 > for fly s and mosquito s.
 >
 > We finally put a yellow lamp near the cam and bugs went away
 >
 > (grams remedy for bugs in MN at night)
 >
 > shocked as I was
 >
 > Mitch
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > On 8/30/2017 9:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
 >>
 >> One of the cameras at Fabens Waste Water Treatment Plant is
 triggering
 >> night time recordings that manager asked me investigate and
 minimize.  I
 >> changed sensitivity to 15 from 50. But I doubt it will help.
 Airvision Pro
 >> Cameras. I will check video on Friday.  Ideas?
 >>
 >> Jaime Solorza
 >
 >
 >

>>>
>>>
>>

[AFMUG] Ubiquiti Networks UVC-G3 Tower Camera

[Matt]

Wanting a tower camera.  I want to have a script on a linux server
pull a snap shot from the camera every 60 seconds and post it as a
still image to a website.  Will the UVC-G3 work for this?

It would be even better if the camera could just FTP the image in itself.

Re: [AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting

[Chuck McCown]

I am certain I have seen a camera enclosure that had a roll of something like 
saran wrap that you could either manually advance or perhaps it slowly advanced 
itself to keep the view clear.  (Someone was asking about keeping the lens 
clean).  I suppose you could also set one up to spray some cleaner followed by 
a blast of compressed air or CO2.  

But yeah, having the camera or DVR be able to ignore certain areas of the frame 
is nice.  I have a couple of systems like that.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:00 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting

Damn spider webs, spiders, and birds. Hard to see in the daytime but drives the 
motion sense crazy on cameras.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:23 PM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  If sensitivity too low , nothing gets recorded.  We had to reduce it during 
dust storm season



  Jaime Solorza

  On Aug 31, 2017 12:19 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

Gen3 cameras are still picking up floor space that gets lit with a brighter 
screen on a TV.  Sometimes bugs and stuff too, hard to fault that though.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Josh Reynolds  
wrote:

  Controller does, dunno if they are using that


  On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:
  > Does it support masking. We had a bear of a time at a factory til we
  > realised a clipboard that had paper onnit fluttered enoug from a fan to 
trip
  > md even though you couldnt really see it on the low res monitor.
  >
  >
  > On Aug 30, 2017 10:30 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
  >
  > Gen3 ?
  >
  > Gen 2s always had an issue for us the night vision would trip motion
  >
  > for fly s and mosquito s.
  >
  > We finally put a yellow lamp near the cam and bugs went away
  >
  > (grams remedy for bugs in MN at night)
  >
  > shocked as I was
  >
  > Mitch
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > On 8/30/2017 9:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
  >>
  >> One of the cameras at Fabens Waste Water Treatment Plant is triggering
  >> night time recordings that manager asked me investigate and minimize.  
I
  >> changed sensitivity to 15 from 50. But I doubt it will help.  
Airvision Pro
  >> Cameras. I will check video on Friday.  Ideas?
  >>
  >> Jaime Solorza
  >
  >
  >

Re: [AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 3:00 PM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> Damn spider webs, spiders, and birds. Hard to see in the daytime but
> drives the motion sense crazy on cameras.
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:23 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> If sensitivity too low , nothing gets recorded.  We had to reduce it
>> during dust storm season
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2017 12:19 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Gen3 cameras are still picking up floor space that gets lit with a
>>> brighter screen on a TV.  Sometimes bugs and stuff too, hard to fault that
>>> though.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Controller does, dunno if they are using that

 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Steve Jones <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
 > Does it support masking. We had a bear of a time at a factory til we
 > realised a clipboard that had paper onnit fluttered enoug from a fan
 to trip
 > md even though you couldnt really see it on the low res monitor.
 >
 >
 > On Aug 30, 2017 10:30 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
 >
 > Gen3 ?
 >
 > Gen 2s always had an issue for us the night vision would trip motion
 >
 > for fly s and mosquito s.
 >
 > We finally put a yellow lamp near the cam and bugs went away
 >
 > (grams remedy for bugs in MN at night)
 >
 > shocked as I was
 >
 > Mitch
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > On 8/30/2017 9:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
 >>
 >> One of the cameras at Fabens Waste Water Treatment Plant is
 triggering
 >> night time recordings that manager asked me investigate and
 minimize.  I
 >> changed sensitivity to 15 from 50. But I doubt it will help.
 Airvision Pro
 >> Cameras. I will check video on Friday.  Ideas?
 >>
 >> Jaime Solorza
 >
 >
 >

>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting

[Lewis Bergman]

Damn spider webs, spiders, and birds. Hard to see in the daytime but drives
the motion sense crazy on cameras.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:23 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> If sensitivity too low , nothing gets recorded.  We had to reduce it
> during dust storm season
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Aug 31, 2017 12:19 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> Gen3 cameras are still picking up floor space that gets lit with a
>> brighter screen on a TV.  Sometimes bugs and stuff too, hard to fault that
>> though.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Controller does, dunno if they are using that
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>> > Does it support masking. We had a bear of a time at a factory til we
>>> > realised a clipboard that had paper onnit fluttered enoug from a fan
>>> to trip
>>> > md even though you couldnt really see it on the low res monitor.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Aug 30, 2017 10:30 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Gen3 ?
>>> >
>>> > Gen 2s always had an issue for us the night vision would trip motion
>>> >
>>> > for fly s and mosquito s.
>>> >
>>> > We finally put a yellow lamp near the cam and bugs went away
>>> >
>>> > (grams remedy for bugs in MN at night)
>>> >
>>> > shocked as I was
>>> >
>>> > Mitch
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 8/30/2017 9:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> One of the cameras at Fabens Waste Water Treatment Plant is triggering
>>> >> night time recordings that manager asked me investigate and
>>> minimize.  I
>>> >> changed sensitivity to 15 from 50. But I doubt it will help.
>>> Airvision Pro
>>> >> Cameras. I will check video on Friday.  Ideas?
>>> >>
>>> >> Jaime Solorza
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Lewis Bergman]

I have an 8000 gallon tank of diesel at my shop. Hope I don't have to
refill it before the prices come back down.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 3:43 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down
> to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to
> high 70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline
> for an extended time.
>
> Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more
> if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on
> the labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some
> gouging attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be
> tolerated.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run
>> out of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started
>> happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last
>> night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I
>> thought that was strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make
>> a morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I
>> passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home,
>> emptied all my gas cans into my project truck, and went back and got in
>> line. For the most part people were being courteous, but when I got out of
>> my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it
>> over who was supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front of mine.
>> She was threatening to back into his car so he called the cops. The truck
>> in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a pump in less than
>> 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had called the cops, so she then
>> called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, making it a priority call
>> so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the
>> cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing
>> with this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100
>> offices down to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an
>> argument at the gas pump is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as
>> to what might be coming to the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is
>> refined down this way, so unless things get better fast, there could be
>> shortages in a lot of places.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] how would you bill this? Voip question

[Lewis Bergman]

+1 Faisal

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:01 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> For many(good reasons, Tax, reporting etc) we would break this down as
> follows:-
>
> 1) Application server (Phone/pbx functionality)  (hosted applications are
> not subject to taxes).  $50/MRC
>
> 2) Inbound Trunk w/ 1000 mou each.  $19/each MRC (inbound calling min,
> multiple trunks would allow for concurrent calls etc), allows us to size
> the system  (This is a telecom service, so it would be subject to Telecom
> Taxes, if applicable in your State, but not subject to USF )
>
> 3) Outbound mou $8MRC/1000min ...(Local & US LD, would allow for outbound
> calls)... (This is a telecom service, would be subject to Telecom Taxes, if
> applicable as well as USF .
>
> Doing it for Free ?  Call me whatever you like, in all the years of
> serving in business what we have learned is that , doing anything for free
> has ZERO value in the eyes of the receiver, and it is never remembered if
> ever there is opportunity to have that taken into consideration.  Do it for
> Full value and feel free to apply a visible discount on the bill...but the
> figures and the line item description of the discount should reflect that
> on the invoice ...
>
> Keep in mind, if you decide to do it for free, you will still be obligated
> to collect and pay the applicable taxes !
>
>
> Best of luck !
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com, "memb...@wispa.org" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 30, 2017 7:51:03 PM
> *Subject: *[WISPA Members] how would you bill this?  Voip question
>
>
> I've received an inquiry to setup an automated attendant for a growing
> non-profit in our area.  They take care of the vets.
> There basically is no office, just a network of volunteers.
>
> I may not charge them anything but assuming this were a for-profit of a
> similar type, how would you bill this?
>
> Thanks for calling XYZ Vet Services
>
> For Veteran Services and Assessments, press 1
> For events and volunteer services, press 2
> To schedule the pickup of donations, press 3
> To schedule the transportation for a vet, press 4
> For grants, funding, or charitable giving, press 5
> For Ordering merchandise, press 6
> To reach management, press 9
>
> Once hitting 9 there is -
>
> For the chief of operations, press 1
> for the company financial manager, press 2
> for the company executive officer, press 3
> for the company project manager, press 4
> for hte company general contractor, press 5
>
>
> This is the script given to me by them.  I wish I could say I made it up :)
>
> Each menu option transfers to a different cell phone.
>
> I can set this up in our voip switch, no problem - but how would you bill
> it?
>
> Not even sure there are any "real" phones here, just transfers to
> cellphones
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> ___
> Members mailing list
> memb...@wispa.org
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Steve Jones]

i was sent an image, this is a dish style, like a mini 2000?

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> That's what I'm thinking?  99% of our installs are Force 200.  Too much
> gain?  Oh well ATPC takes care of it.
>
> Best case you're saving $30 which is assuming $0 cost of maintaining
> another item, room in the van, never mistakenly used it when it should have
> been a 200...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:00 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> I really don't know where this fits in. Who wants to keep three radios on
>> the truck? If they could have
>> made the same design for say a 27db antenna, that would be something we'd
>> use.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No, we'll probably keep using the 180 for really short links, but we
>>> really don't use that many as it is. I'm not really sure how often we'll
>>> end up using the 190, but I'm thinking it will be something like if we get
>>> less than -60 use a Force 200, otherwise, use a 190 or a 180.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Are you dropping 180 for the 190?  In what situation would you use a
 190 (previously 180) instead of a 200?


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds
> me, I need to order some.
>
> The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size
> box as the Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time,
> but there are a lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where these
> should be a good fit.
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this
>> point?  It's cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap between
>> 180 and 190, but I still suggest Force 200.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: "FCC ID Alert" 
>>> Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
>>> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
>>> To: "FCC ID Alert" 
>>> Cc:
>>>
>>> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc.
>>> for New Equipment.
>>> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031
>>> 
>>> Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver
>>>
>>> unsubscribe
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Steve Jones]

Its much less awful than initial estimates. They had said we would be down
to just over 50% refining capacity, as it stands we are still in the mid to
high 70s, and as I understand it only one refinery is slated to be offline
for an extended time.

Its best to just get 20 or 30 gallons in reserve cans in the garage, more
if you have the capacity. It shouldnt be impactful, but we are coming up on
the labor day price hike, in conjunction with this, theres going to be some
gouging attempts, but its been made federally clear that gouging wont be
tolerated.



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:

> So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run
> out of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started
> happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last
> night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I
> thought that was strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make
> a morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I
> passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home,
> emptied all my gas cans into my project truck, and went back and got in
> line. For the most part people were being courteous, but when I got out of
> my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it
> over who was supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front of mine.
> She was threatening to back into his car so he called the cops. The truck
> in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a pump in less than
> 30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had called the cops, so she then
> called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, making it a priority call
> so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the
> cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing
> with this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100
> offices down to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an
> argument at the gas pump is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as
> to what might be coming to the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is
> refined down this way, so unless things get better fast, there could be
> shortages in a lot of places.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Sync Status Screen on 450i ver 15.1.1 w/timing port sync

[Carl Peterson]

450M on junior looks good running 15.1.1
Checked a 450i on junior running 14.2.1 and it has GPS data as well.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:58 AM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Yup, just tried one. 100% confirmed w/ a Rev i SB12. Turned on UGPS power
> on one of the 450i APs and now it sees the data. I don't remember if I
> wired the RJ12 with 1,2,3&6 or just 1,3&6 on that one. Knowing me, since I
> knew the SB12 can't take UGPS power anyway, I probably left pin 2
> disconnected.
>
> On 8/31/2017 3:42 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> If you get a chance, try turning the uGPS power on on one of the non-uGPS
> powered ones...   Should be perfectly safe, since there isn't anything
> attached to that pin on the syncbox 12's.
>
> I'm glad to hear that data is working.   I've been so saturated with this
> rackinjector project that I haven't had a chance to keep up with the
> releases and test them.  I knew cambium was working on them, but when I
> keep hearing the data isn't there I just assume they haven't fixed it.
>  Now I have an answer for my tech support customers.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 2:32 AM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
>
>> Cool to hear GPS+GLONASS coming.
>>
>> 15.0.3 or 15.1 fixed the 450i GPS data. I forget which one. I'm now
>> running 15.1.1 on all 900 450i sectors. And I have some that don't display
>> the data. I had a suspicion that it had something to do with UGPS power
>> since the ones that don't work are on boxes with dedicated power and UGPS
>> power on those APs is off. I messed with the message checksum and it didn't
>> make a difference.
>>
>> All sectors with SBJ Aux boxes w/ UGPS power on = GPS data present.
>>
>> 900 450i sectors at sites mixed with 900 and 5.7 FSK on Rev i SB12's.
>> UGPS power off = no data. The FSK radios are seeing data just fine.
>>
>> So yeah, seems obvious that it's ignoring the GPS data if UGPS power is
>> off.
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/2017 2:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> I've had a chance tonight to spend some time validating a new GPS
>> receiver with which adds GLONASS.  Looking good w/much better sensitivity.
>> Those of you who have been mentioning the desire for this don't have long
>> to wait - 30 days or so, really depends on how long the GPS module stock
>> lasts here.   Rev K will have the new GPS modules.
>>
>> In the process I've discovered that cambium in 15.1.1 (or perhaps
>> earlier) seems to have fixed a longstanding bug in the 450i that prevented
>> reliable reception of GPS status information on the GPS status screen.
>>
>> However, I've also discovered that in order to get GPS status at all, you
>> need uGPS power on, even for those devices such as a syncbox 12 which
>> doesn't need uGPS power.
>>
>> For those of you running 15.1.1 on a 450i/450m, and a packetflux timing
>> port sync device (aka a syncbox of some sort), I'm curious to find out if
>> enabling uGPS power and enabling 'verify gps message checksum' results in a
>> usable GPS status screen.   Note that you'll need pin 3 on the syncbox
>> connected to pin 4 on the 450i/m if you're using a timing port device (as
>> opposed to a syncbox junior Aux Port version which just needs a straight
>> through CAT5 cable.).
>>
>>
>> ​
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

[George Skorup]

You better make sure that's not a -24 system. And yeah, don't know why 
you'd need a transfer switch in a DC application. Those old telco 
alternator-rectifier DC generators are designed to monitor battery 
voltage and start up at the right time. They're parallel operation that 
charges the batts and runs the load until utility comes back. If you 
look hard enough, I'm sure you can still find the compact -48 Kohler's 
that run on propane or NG. I think Vz used a lot of them.


On 8/31/2017 9:13 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
Why you need a transfer switch? Where are you buying �Gen Controllers? 
Im in the market for several


From: Af > on 
behalf of David Milholen >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 8:36 AM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

We are getting one from an auction that came off an old cricket site.

Its output is 27.6v @ 6Kw

I am using forrest's Generator control to help with a homemade 
transfer switch.


The configuration will be a little complex on doing this but I can 
make it work with little effort.




*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

On 8/30/2017 2:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Pretty easy to make DC out of AC.� A true DC generator probably has 
brushes and a commutator. Not something you really want.
I imagine anything you are likely to find is probably AC that is 
rectified.

*From:* can...@believewireless.net
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?
Someone posted this a while ago:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-2-IN-1-Gas-Gasoline-Generator-3000W-DC-OUTPUT-24V-for-pure-power-inverter-/252041630986?hash=item3aaeda150a
I think they make them in 12,24 and 48V.
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
 wrote:


Anyone using DC Generators for charging Batts ? Really hard to find

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



--

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP "SW Update is running!"

[George Skorup]

IIRC, both the CLI and GUI use internal SNMP commands. And the device 
agent is a daemon that doesn't rely on SNMP.


On 8/31/2017 1:28 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I wonder what the mechanism is for Maestro to reboot it.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" >

To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 8/31/2017 2:21:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP "SW Update is running!"

When you get stuck in that damn SNMP bug you have to reboot it from 
cnMaestro.  Reboot from the Cambium SSH prompt or GUI does not work.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


I got it figured out, turns out uptime wasnt resetting when i
rebooted from the web interface, so i ssh in, reboot got an Error
in packet response. So the unit was never rebooting. Rebooted
from cnmaestro and it actually rebooted.
let me load the firmware

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:22 AM, can...@believewireless.net
 > wrote:

Make sure to reboot it before upgrading it too.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:20 PM, can...@believewireless.net
 > wrote:

Have you tried updating it from the web interface?

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Steve Jones
> wrote:

Anybody come across this, we have a 3.2.1 that wont
update, Cnmaestro either skips it saying update in
progress or unit offline
loading from the gui fails everytime with "SW Update
is running!"
Its like it must have tried an update at one point
but never succeeded and it thinks its mid update
this is a deployed unit so i cant default it just yet.
Ive only gui cycled it, not power cycled so that may
resolve it.
any input?

[AFMUG] OFF TOPIC - starting to get dicey in TX over gas

[Cameron Crum]

So a news report came out claiming that the gas stations would soon run out
of gas because the refineries are all shut down. So, guess what started
happening in Fort Worth, a run on gas. I went to fill up my wife's car last
night as it was running on about 1/8 tank and all the pumps were busy. I
thought that was strange at 10pm. This morning, the local 7-11 where I make
a morning stop had 4 deep at each pump. At lunch, every gas station I
passed was the same. My truck was on E so I had to wait. I went home,
emptied all my gas cans into my project truck, and went back and got in
line. For the most part people were being courteous, but when I got out of
my truck, a guy in a black BMW and a woman in red sedan were going at it
over who was supposed to get the pump next at the pump in front of mine.
She was threatening to back into his car so he called the cops. The truck
in front of him pulled out so he got a pump and she got a pump in less than
30 seconds of arguing. He told her he had called the cops, so she then
called the cops and claimed the guy accosted her, making it a priority call
so they showed up quick. He pumped his gas and left and she waited for the
cops. The look on the cops face said it all, "why the f*ck am I dealing
with this woman with everything that is going on?" Fort Worth sent 100
offices down to Houston so they are short staffed right now, and an
argument at the gas pump is not a high priority. Anyway, just a heads up as
to what might be coming to the rest of the country soon. Most of the gas is
refined down this way, so unless things get better fast, there could be
shortages in a lot of places.

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP "SW Update is running!"

[George Skorup]

Yeah that's what I was going to say. That's the SNMP bug in 3.2.1 and 
only the cnMaestro agent can reboot them when they go stupid. I've also 
had radios on 3.2.2 fail to update due to out of memory errors. What 
I've been doing is rebooting all SMs on a sector, then reboot the AP, 
then upgrade the entire sector in cnMaestro. Seems to work fine.


On 8/31/2017 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
When you get stuck in that damn SNMP bug you have to reboot it from 
cnMaestro.  Reboot from the Cambium SSH prompt or GUI does not work.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


I got it figured out, turns out uptime wasnt resetting when i
rebooted from the web interface, so i ssh in, reboot got an Error
in packet response. So the unit was never rebooting. Rebooted from
cnmaestro and it actually rebooted.
let me load the firmware

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:22 AM, can...@believewireless.net
 > wrote:

Make sure to reboot it before upgrading it too.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:20 PM, can...@believewireless.net
 > wrote:

Have you tried updating it from the web interface?

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Steve Jones
> wrote:

Anybody come across this, we have a 3.2.1 that wont
update, Cnmaestro either skips it saying update in
progress or unit offline
loading from the gui fails everytime with "SW Update
is running!"
Its like it must have tried an update at one point but
never succeeded and it thinks its mid update
this is a deployed unit so i cant default it just yet.
Ive only gui cycled it, not power cycled so that may
resolve it.
any input?

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP "SW Update is running!"

[Adam Moffett]

I wonder what the mechanism is for Maestro to reboot it.

-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/31/2017 2:21:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP "SW Update is running!"

When you get stuck in that damn SNMP bug you have to reboot it from 
cnMaestro.  Reboot from the Cambium SSH prompt or GUI does not work.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:
I got it figured out, turns out uptime wasnt resetting when i rebooted 
from the web interface, so i ssh in, reboot got an Error in packet 
response. So the unit was never rebooting. Rebooted from cnmaestro and 
it actually rebooted.

let me load the firmware

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:22 AM, 
can...@believewireless.net wrote:

Make sure to reboot it before upgrading it too.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:20 PM, 
can...@believewireless.net wrote:

Have you tried updating it from the web interface?

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:
Anybody come across this, we have a 3.2.1 that wont update, 
Cnmaestro either skips it saying update in progress or unit offline

loading from the gui fails everytime with "SW Update is running!"
Its like it must have tried an update at one point but never 
succeeded and it thinks its mid update

this is a deployed unit so i cant default it just yet.
Ive only gui cycled it, not power cycled so that may resolve it.
any input?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Adam Moffett]

Oh I see.  They look exactly like a 2-hole pipe strap.


-- Original Message --
From: "Zach Underwood" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/31/2017 1:57:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar 
Readiness


Those are not copper pipe straps. My batteries came out of a big 3 
phase ups that was replaced. Those connectors came with the batteries 
and never got warm with my loads. The wire used is 2awg welding wire.


On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
I like your copper pipe straps to connect batteries.  I wanted to use 
threaded rod to connect mine, but I wasn't definitively sure how to 
determine the Amp capacity of conductors that aren't standard wires.  
Those U-shaped bits of 4/0 copper wire were surprisingly time 
consuming to make.


I imagine there's some formula related to the surface area and 
material properties, but I didn't find it easily.



-- Original Message --
From: "Zach Underwood" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/31/2017 1:29:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar 
Readiness


I forgot to include a picture of the battery bank. That is 390ah at 
48 volts made up of 5 strings of 78ah agm battery. Load right now is 
about 2kwh per day and it is charged with 4x 275 solar panels and a 
midnight kid.


On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Zach Underwood 
 wrote:
I am running the 2kw 48 version of the Aims for my off grid shipping 
container. One very nice thing about aims in the the surge rating. 
Mine has a base of 2kw, surge to 6kw for 20 sec and 4kw for 5 min (I 
think it is 5 min). I have ran chop saws, air compressors and table 
saws on it.


On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
http://www.aimscorp.net/12000-Watt-Inverter-Charger-48-volt-120-240vac.html 



I hooked up one of these.  12kw, or 50 amp at 240v.  So I feed a 
sub panel with it, and every circuit on the sub-panel is battery 
backed.


The link says it's $3000, but you'll really pay something like 
$2600.  Then you have to account for batteries and wiring.


It's not exactly what you're asking for, but it's pretty cost 
effective.  It only runs in charger mode or inverter mode, not both 
at once.  So when you're in charger mode you're not getting "clean" 
power, just whatever comes in off the utility grid.


There's also a 10ms delay when switching from charger mode to 
inverter mode, and some devices could reset during that blip.  The 
4 batteries in the picture give me 4800 watt hours.  Which might 
only be 15-20 minutes at full load, but it's never at full load.  
I'd expect to get a few hours out of it in reality.  Long enough to 
drive there and take action if the generator failed to start.



-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/30/2017 5:03:07 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar 
Readiness


Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall 
battery.


Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an 
array in my utility room?


I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.

Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of 
whole home inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a 
battery array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power 
outages.


But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or 
sample/guide for electricians to make this.


Is this not ‘normal’ now days?

I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as 
well.

Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹




--
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com




--
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com




--
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting

[Jaime Solorza]

If sensitivity too low , nothing gets recorded.  We had to reduce it during
dust storm season

Jaime Solorza

On Aug 31, 2017 12:19 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
wrote:

> Gen3 cameras are still picking up floor space that gets lit with a
> brighter screen on a TV.  Sometimes bugs and stuff too, hard to fault that
> though.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Controller does, dunno if they are using that
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>> > Does it support masking. We had a bear of a time at a factory til we
>> > realised a clipboard that had paper onnit fluttered enoug from a fan to
>> trip
>> > md even though you couldnt really see it on the low res monitor.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Aug 30, 2017 10:30 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>> >
>> > Gen3 ?
>> >
>> > Gen 2s always had an issue for us the night vision would trip motion
>> >
>> > for fly s and mosquito s.
>> >
>> > We finally put a yellow lamp near the cam and bugs went away
>> >
>> > (grams remedy for bugs in MN at night)
>> >
>> > shocked as I was
>> >
>> > Mitch
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/30/2017 9:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> >>
>> >> One of the cameras at Fabens Waste Water Treatment Plant is triggering
>> >> night time recordings that manager asked me investigate and minimize.
>> I
>> >> changed sensitivity to 15 from 50. But I doubt it will help.
>> Airvision Pro
>> >> Cameras. I will check video on Friday.  Ideas?
>> >>
>> >> Jaime Solorza
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP "SW Update is running!"

[Josh Luthman]

When you get stuck in that damn SNMP bug you have to reboot it from
cnMaestro.  Reboot from the Cambium SSH prompt or GUI does not work.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I got it figured out, turns out uptime wasnt resetting when i rebooted
> from the web interface, so i ssh in, reboot got an Error in packet
> response. So the unit was never rebooting. Rebooted from cnmaestro and it
> actually rebooted.
> let me load the firmware
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:22 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Make sure to reboot it before upgrading it too.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:20 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Have you tried updating it from the web interface?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Steve Jones >> > wrote:
>>>
 Anybody come across this, we have a 3.2.1 that wont update, Cnmaestro
 either skips it saying update in progress or unit offline
 loading from the gui fails everytime with "SW Update is running!"
 Its like it must have tried an update at one point but never succeeded
 and it thinks its mid update
 this is a deployed unit so i cant default it just yet.
 Ive only gui cycled it, not power cycled so that may resolve it.
 any input?

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Motion Detection sensitivity setting

[Josh Luthman]

Gen3 cameras are still picking up floor space that gets lit with a brighter
screen on a TV.  Sometimes bugs and stuff too, hard to fault that though.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> Controller does, dunno if they are using that
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
> > Does it support masking. We had a bear of a time at a factory til we
> > realised a clipboard that had paper onnit fluttered enoug from a fan to
> trip
> > md even though you couldnt really see it on the low res monitor.
> >
> >
> > On Aug 30, 2017 10:30 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
> >
> > Gen3 ?
> >
> > Gen 2s always had an issue for us the night vision would trip motion
> >
> > for fly s and mosquito s.
> >
> > We finally put a yellow lamp near the cam and bugs went away
> >
> > (grams remedy for bugs in MN at night)
> >
> > shocked as I was
> >
> > Mitch
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/30/2017 9:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> >>
> >> One of the cameras at Fabens Waste Water Treatment Plant is triggering
> >> night time recordings that manager asked me investigate and minimize.  I
> >> changed sensitivity to 15 from 50. But I doubt it will help.  Airvision
> Pro
> >> Cameras. I will check video on Friday.  Ideas?
> >>
> >> Jaime Solorza
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Josh Luthman]

That's what I'm thinking?  99% of our installs are Force 200.  Too much
gain?  Oh well ATPC takes care of it.

Best case you're saving $30 which is assuming $0 cost of maintaining
another item, room in the van, never mistakenly used it when it should have
been a 200...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:00 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> I really don't know where this fits in. Who wants to keep three radios on
> the truck? If they could have
> made the same design for say a 27db antenna, that would be something we'd
> use.
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> No, we'll probably keep using the 180 for really short links, but we
>> really don't use that many as it is. I'm not really sure how often we'll
>> end up using the 190, but I'm thinking it will be something like if we get
>> less than -60 use a Force 200, otherwise, use a 190 or a 180.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Are you dropping 180 for the 190?  In what situation would you use a 190
>>> (previously 180) instead of a 200?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds
 me, I need to order some.

 The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size
 box as the Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time,
 but there are a lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where these
 should be a good fit.

 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this
> point?  It's cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap between
> 180 and 190, but I still suggest Force 200.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "FCC ID Alert" 
>> Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
>> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
>> To: "FCC ID Alert" 
>> Cc:
>>
>> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc.
>> for New Equipment.
>> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031
>> 
>> Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver
>>
>> unsubscribe
>> 
>>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Zach Underwood]

Those are not copper pipe straps. My batteries came out of a big 3 phase
ups that was replaced. Those connectors came with the batteries and never
got warm with my loads. The wire used is 2awg welding wire.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I like your copper pipe straps to connect batteries.  I wanted to use
> threaded rod to connect mine, but I wasn't definitively sure how to
> determine the Amp capacity of conductors that aren't standard wires.  Those
> U-shaped bits of 4/0 copper wire were surprisingly time consuming to make.
>
> I imagine there's some formula related to the surface area and material
> properties, but I didn't find it easily.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Zach Underwood" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/31/2017 1:29:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>
> I forgot to include a picture of the battery bank. That is 390ah at 48
> volts made up of 5 strings of 78ah agm battery. Load right now is about
> 2kwh per day and it is charged with 4x 275 solar panels and a midnight kid.
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Zach Underwood 
> wrote:
>
>> I am running the 2kw 48 version of the Aims for my off grid shipping
>> container. One very nice thing about aims in the the surge rating. Mine has
>> a base of 2kw, surge to 6kw for 20 sec and 4kw for 5 min (I think it is 5
>> min). I have ran chop saws, air compressors and table saws on it.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.aimscorp.net/12000-Watt-Inverter-Charger-48-volt-
>>> 120-240vac.html
>>>
>>> I hooked up one of these.  12kw, or 50 amp at 240v.  So I feed a sub
>>> panel with it, and every circuit on the sub-panel is battery backed.
>>>
>>> The link says it's $3000, but you'll really pay something like $2600.
>>> Then you have to account for batteries and wiring.
>>>
>>> It's not exactly what you're asking for, but it's pretty cost
>>> effective.  It only runs in charger mode or inverter mode, not both at
>>> once.  So when you're in charger mode you're not getting "clean" power,
>>> just whatever comes in off the utility grid.
>>>
>>> There's also a 10ms delay when switching from charger mode to inverter
>>> mode, and some devices could reset during that blip.  The 4 batteries in
>>> the picture give me 4800 watt hours.  Which might only be 15-20 minutes at
>>> full load, but it's never at full load.  I'd expect to get a few hours out
>>> of it in reality.  Long enough to drive there and take action if the
>>> generator failed to start.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 8/30/2017 5:03:07 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>>>
>>> Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.

 Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in
 my utility room?

 I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.

 Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole
 home inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
 Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery
 array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
 Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.

 But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or
 sample/guide for electricians to make this.

 Is this not ‘normal’ now days?

 I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
 Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>> My website 
>> advance-networking.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
> My website 
> advance-networking.com
>
>


-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Adam Moffett]

I like your copper pipe straps to connect batteries.  I wanted to use 
threaded rod to connect mine, but I wasn't definitively sure how to 
determine the Amp capacity of conductors that aren't standard wires.  
Those U-shaped bits of 4/0 copper wire were surprisingly time consuming 
to make.


I imagine there's some formula related to the surface area and material 
properties, but I didn't find it easily.



-- Original Message --
From: "Zach Underwood" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/31/2017 1:29:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar 
Readiness


I forgot to include a picture of the battery bank. That is 390ah at 48 
volts made up of 5 strings of 78ah agm battery. Load right now is about 
2kwh per day and it is charged with 4x 275 solar panels and a midnight 
kid.


On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Zach Underwood  
wrote:
I am running the 2kw 48 version of the Aims for my off grid shipping 
container. One very nice thing about aims in the the surge rating. 
Mine has a base of 2kw, surge to 6kw for 20 sec and 4kw for 5 min (I 
think it is 5 min). I have ran chop saws, air compressors and table 
saws on it.


On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
http://www.aimscorp.net/12000-Watt-Inverter-Charger-48-volt-120-240vac.html 



I hooked up one of these.  12kw, or 50 amp at 240v.  So I feed a sub 
panel with it, and every circuit on the sub-panel is battery backed.


The link says it's $3000, but you'll really pay something like $2600. 
 Then you have to account for batteries and wiring.


It's not exactly what you're asking for, but it's pretty cost 
effective.  It only runs in charger mode or inverter mode, not both 
at once.  So when you're in charger mode you're not getting "clean" 
power, just whatever comes in off the utility grid.


There's also a 10ms delay when switching from charger mode to 
inverter mode, and some devices could reset during that blip.  The 4 
batteries in the picture give me 4800 watt hours.  Which might only 
be 15-20 minutes at full load, but it's never at full load.  I'd 
expect to get a few hours out of it in reality.  Long enough to drive 
there and take action if the generator failed to start.



-- Original Message --
From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/30/2017 5:03:07 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall 
battery.


Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array 
in my utility room?


I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.

Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of 
whole home inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a 
battery array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power 
outages.


But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or 
sample/guide for electricians to make this.


Is this not ‘normal’ now days?

I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as 
well.

Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹




--
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com




--
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Harold Bledsoe]

How many bowls of wheaties did you eat that day?  The 12kW is pretty beefy!
 :-)

Here's the Cenga one with 8 batteries.  Similar concept:

[image: cenga.jpg]

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:12 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> http://www.aimscorp.net/12000-Watt-Inverter-Charger-48-volt-120-240vac.html
>
> I hooked up one of these.  12kw, or 50 amp at 240v.  So I feed a sub
> panel with it, and every circuit on the sub-panel is battery backed.
>
> The link says it's $3000, but you'll really pay something like $2600.
> Then you have to account for batteries and wiring.
>
> It's not exactly what you're asking for, but it's pretty cost effective.
>   It only runs in charger mode or inverter mode, not both at once.  So
> when you're in charger mode you're not getting "clean" power, just
> whatever comes in off the utility grid.
>
> There's also a 10ms delay when switching from charger mode to inverter
> mode, and some devices could reset during that blip.  The 4 batteries in
> the picture give me 4800 watt hours.  Which might only be 15-20 minutes
> at full load, but it's never at full load.  I'd expect to get a few
> hours out of it in reality.  Long enough to drive there and take action
> if the generator failed to start.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/30/2017 5:03:07 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>
> >Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.
> >
> >Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in
> >my utility room?
> >
> >I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.
> >
> >Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole
> >home inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
> >Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery
> >array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
> >Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.
> >
> >But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or
> >sample/guide for electricians to make this.
> >
> >Is this not ‘normal’ now days?
> >
> >I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as
> >well.
> >Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Zach Underwood]

I am running the 2kw 48 version of the Aims for my off grid shipping
container. One very nice thing about aims in the the surge rating. Mine has
a base of 2kw, surge to 6kw for 20 sec and 4kw for 5 min (I think it is 5
min). I have ran chop saws, air compressors and table saws on it.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> http://www.aimscorp.net/12000-Watt-Inverter-Charger-48-volt-
> 120-240vac.html
>
> I hooked up one of these.  12kw, or 50 amp at 240v.  So I feed a sub panel
> with it, and every circuit on the sub-panel is battery backed.
>
> The link says it's $3000, but you'll really pay something like $2600.
> Then you have to account for batteries and wiring.
>
> It's not exactly what you're asking for, but it's pretty cost effective.
> It only runs in charger mode or inverter mode, not both at once.  So when
> you're in charger mode you're not getting "clean" power, just whatever
> comes in off the utility grid.
>
> There's also a 10ms delay when switching from charger mode to inverter
> mode, and some devices could reset during that blip.  The 4 batteries in
> the picture give me 4800 watt hours.  Which might only be 15-20 minutes at
> full load, but it's never at full load.  I'd expect to get a few hours out
> of it in reality.  Long enough to drive there and take action if the
> generator failed to start.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/30/2017 5:03:07 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>
> Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.
>>
>> Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in
>> my utility room?
>>
>> I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.
>>
>> Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole
>> home inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
>> Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery
>> array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
>> Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.
>>
>> But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide
>> for electricians to make this.
>>
>> Is this not ‘normal’ now days?
>>
>> I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
>> Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹
>
>


-- 
Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
My website 
advance-networking.com

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP "SW Update is running!"

[Steve Jones]

I got it figured out, turns out uptime wasnt resetting when i rebooted from
the web interface, so i ssh in, reboot got an Error in packet response. So
the unit was never rebooting. Rebooted from cnmaestro and it actually
rebooted.
let me load the firmware

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 11:22 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Make sure to reboot it before upgrading it too.
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:20 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Have you tried updating it from the web interface?
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anybody come across this, we have a 3.2.1 that wont update, Cnmaestro
>>> either skips it saying update in progress or unit offline
>>> loading from the gui fails everytime with "SW Update is running!"
>>> Its like it must have tried an update at one point but never succeeded
>>> and it thinks its mid update
>>> this is a deployed unit so i cant default it just yet.
>>> Ive only gui cycled it, not power cycled so that may resolve it.
>>> any input?
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP "SW Update is running!"

[can...@believewireless.net]

Make sure to reboot it before upgrading it too.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:20 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Have you tried updating it from the web interface?
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Anybody come across this, we have a 3.2.1 that wont update, Cnmaestro
>> either skips it saying update in progress or unit offline
>> loading from the gui fails everytime with "SW Update is running!"
>> Its like it must have tried an update at one point but never succeeded
>> and it thinks its mid update
>> this is a deployed unit so i cant default it just yet.
>> Ive only gui cycled it, not power cycled so that may resolve it.
>> any input?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP "SW Update is running!"

[can...@believewireless.net]

Have you tried updating it from the web interface?

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Anybody come across this, we have a 3.2.1 that wont update, Cnmaestro
> either skips it saying update in progress or unit offline
> loading from the gui fails everytime with "SW Update is running!"
> Its like it must have tried an update at one point but never succeeded and
> it thinks its mid update
> this is a deployed unit so i cant default it just yet.
> Ive only gui cycled it, not power cycled so that may resolve it.
> any input?
>

[AFMUG] EPMP "SW Update is running!"

[Steve Jones]

Anybody come across this, we have a 3.2.1 that wont update, Cnmaestro
either skips it saying update in progress or unit offline
loading from the gui fails everytime with "SW Update is running!"
Its like it must have tried an update at one point but never succeeded and
it thinks its mid update
this is a deployed unit so i cant default it just yet.
Ive only gui cycled it, not power cycled so that may resolve it.
any input?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Chuck McCown]

The new SMA grid tie inverters will make juice when the sun is shining even 
with the grid off.  They have separate connections for a sun only circuit.  

From: Harold Bledsoe 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Agreed, Chuck!  Will be interesting to see where it all ends up. 

One thing on my setup - I don't lose the grid.  The grid is still connected as 
a backup to the islanded system, however the batteries and the power collected 
from the solar are first priority.

-Hal

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:36 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  They were trying to add demand charges in Utah.  That would have made me off 
grid.  But they have backed away from that.  I think net metering costs me 
something like $5 and it is worth it to have juice at night without batts.  

  From: Harold Bledsoe 
  Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:44 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
  This. 

  We do systems like this as well using Cenga:

  http://www.cengapower.com/


  If you are doing pure backup, AGM is hard to beat because of zero 
maintenance, lower cost, and low cycles involved with backup only. 

  If you want to island or go off-grid with part of the house with daily 
cycling, the best choices are forklift batteries or lithium ion. Golf cart 
batteries don't work out financially for daily cycling compared to those. 

  The federal tax incentives makes adding panels essentially free. If you are 
lucky to live in a state friendly to solar with state incentives, the system 
gets pretty darn cheap!

  I personally am not a believer in netmetering anymore. I started out with 
netmetering and ended up taking most of the house islanded. Why? The power 
companies don't want to do it so they eventually will find a way to kill it. My 
power company added a netmetering fee of $10/kW installed per month. So I'm 
islanded now.

  Hal

  On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM Zach Underwood  wrote:

1 watt of lead battery does not equal 1 watt of lithium ion. With lead acid 
you can only take them to about 40-50% depth of discharge but with the lithium 
ion you can get like 80-90% depth of discharge. Also the number of discharge is 
only like 1000-3000 cycles where with lithium it can be as high as 9000 cycles. 
The number of cycles is less of a problem in a grid connected back up only but 
if off grid solar then with lead you would have to replace every 2-3 years 
where with lithium it could be every 5-10 years. 
When I was looking into solar this year the 10 year cost of lithium was 
cheaper then lead. 


Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)

http://ZachUnderwood.me

advance-networking.com



On Aug 30, 2017 9:13 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

  Tesla Powerwall looks to be 14kWh, so you'd be looking at about $2100 
worth of batteries to get the equivalent. I don't see anything on Tesla's 
website about what size inverter it comes with, but from what I'm seeing on 
Google, it looks to only be 5kW.


  You'd also have to come up with some kind of a charger if you don't have 
solar.




  On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with 
RMP in Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.

-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM 

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar 
Readiness

Ok.

Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?

I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar 
Readiness

How many kwh is that?
Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -

$150 per kWh.
Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.

Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the 
batts.
10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers 
running at the same time.
So $1500 for an inverter.

-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.

Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in 
my utility room?

I’ve got a 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Harold Bledsoe]

There are some other options for non-Tesla.  For example LG Chem has a
lithium ion battery that is compatible with most 48VDC systems.  So swap
out the lead acid and swap in their box.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:02 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Don't forget that the Tesla PowerWall stores the power at somewhere in
> the neighborhood of 400-500 volts (I don't remember the exact voltage).
> You would need to deal with that.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 8/30/2017 2:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
> > BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with
> > RMP in Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
> >
> > Ok.
> >
> > Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?
> >
> > I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
> >
> > How many kwh is that?
> > Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -
> >
> > $150 per kWh.
> > Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.
> >
> > Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
> > 10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes
> > dryers running at the same time.
> > So $1500 for an inverter.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Sterling Jacobson
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
> > To: 'af@afmug.com'
> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
> >
> > Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.
> >
> > Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array
> > in my utility room?
> >
> > I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.
> >
> > Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole
> > home inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
> > Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a
> > battery array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
> > Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.
> >
> > But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or
> > sample/guide for electricians to make this.
> >
> > Is this not ‘normal’ now days?
> >
> > I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
> > Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Harold Bledsoe]

Agreed, Chuck!  Will be interesting to see where it all ends up.

One thing on my setup - I don't lose the grid.  The grid is still connected
as a backup to the islanded system, however the batteries and the power
collected from the solar are first priority.

-Hal

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 9:36 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> They were trying to add demand charges in Utah.  That would have made me
> off grid.  But they have backed away from that.  I think net metering costs
> me something like $5 and it is worth it to have juice at night without
> batts.
>
> *From:* Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:44 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar
> Readiness
> This.
>
> We do systems like this as well using Cenga:
>
> http://www.cengapower.com/
>
> If you are doing pure backup, AGM is hard to beat because of zero
> maintenance, lower cost, and low cycles involved with backup only.
>
> If you want to island or go off-grid with part of the house with daily
> cycling, the best choices are forklift batteries or lithium ion. Golf cart
> batteries don't work out financially for daily cycling compared to those.
>
> The federal tax incentives makes adding panels essentially free. If you
> are lucky to live in a state friendly to solar with state incentives, the
> system gets pretty darn cheap!
>
> I personally am not a believer in netmetering anymore. I started out with
> netmetering and ended up taking most of the house islanded. Why? The power
> companies don't want to do it so they eventually will find a way to kill
> it. My power company added a netmetering fee of $10/kW installed per month.
> So I'm islanded now.
>
> Hal
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM Zach Underwood 
> wrote:
>
>> 1 watt of lead battery does not equal 1 watt of lithium ion. With lead
>> acid you can only take them to about 40-50% depth of discharge but with the
>> lithium ion you can get like 80-90% depth of discharge. Also the number of
>> discharge is only like 1000-3000 cycles where with lithium it can be as
>> high as 9000 cycles. The number of cycles is less of a problem in a grid
>> connected back up only but if off grid solar then with lead you would have
>> to replace every 2-3 years where with lithium it could be every 5-10 years.
>> When I was looking into solar this year the 10 year cost of lithium was
>> cheaper then lead.
>>
>> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>>
>> http://ZachUnderwood.me
>>
>> advance-networking.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 30, 2017 9:13 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>>
>> Tesla Powerwall looks to be 14kWh, so you'd be looking at about $2100
>> worth of batteries to get the equivalent. I don't see anything on Tesla's
>> website about what size inverter it comes with, but from what I'm seeing on
>> Google, it looks to only be 5kW.
>>
>> You'd also have to come up with some kind of a charger if you don't have
>> solar.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
>>> BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with RMP
>>> in Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM
>>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>>>
>>> Ok.
>>>
>>> Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?
>>>
>>> I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>>>
>>> How many kwh is that?
>>> Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -
>>>
>>> $150 per kWh.
>>> Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.
>>>
>>> Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
>>> 10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers
>>> running at the same time.
>>> So $1500 for an inverter.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Sterling Jacobson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
>>> To: 'af@afmug.com'
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>>>
>>> Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.
>>>
>>> Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in
>>> my utility room?
>>>
>>> I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.
>>>
>>> Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole
>>> home inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
>>> Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery
>>> array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
>>> Then have a whole 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Chuck McCown]

They were trying to add demand charges in Utah.  That would have made me off 
grid.  But they have backed away from that.  I think net metering costs me 
something like $5 and it is worth it to have juice at night without batts.  

From: Harold Bledsoe 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

This. 

We do systems like this as well using Cenga:

http://www.cengapower.com/


If you are doing pure backup, AGM is hard to beat because of zero maintenance, 
lower cost, and low cycles involved with backup only. 

If you want to island or go off-grid with part of the house with daily cycling, 
the best choices are forklift batteries or lithium ion. Golf cart batteries 
don't work out financially for daily cycling compared to those. 

The federal tax incentives makes adding panels essentially free. If you are 
lucky to live in a state friendly to solar with state incentives, the system 
gets pretty darn cheap!

I personally am not a believer in netmetering anymore. I started out with 
netmetering and ended up taking most of the house islanded. Why? The power 
companies don't want to do it so they eventually will find a way to kill it. My 
power company added a netmetering fee of $10/kW installed per month. So I'm 
islanded now.

Hal

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM Zach Underwood  wrote:

  1 watt of lead battery does not equal 1 watt of lithium ion. With lead acid 
you can only take them to about 40-50% depth of discharge but with the lithium 
ion you can get like 80-90% depth of discharge. Also the number of discharge is 
only like 1000-3000 cycles where with lithium it can be as high as 9000 cycles. 
The number of cycles is less of a problem in a grid connected back up only but 
if off grid solar then with lead you would have to replace every 2-3 years 
where with lithium it could be every 5-10 years. 
  When I was looking into solar this year the 10 year cost of lithium was 
cheaper then lead. 


  Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)

  http://ZachUnderwood.me

  advance-networking.com

  

  On Aug 30, 2017 9:13 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

Tesla Powerwall looks to be 14kWh, so you'd be looking at about $2100 worth 
of batteries to get the equivalent. I don't see anything on Tesla's website 
about what size inverter it comes with, but from what I'm seeing on Google, it 
looks to only be 5kW.


You'd also have to come up with some kind of a charger if you don't have 
solar.




On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
  BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with RMP 
in Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.

  -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM 

  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

  Ok.

  Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?

  I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.

  -Original Message-
  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

  How many kwh is that?
  Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -

  $150 per kWh.
  Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.

  Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
  10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers 
running at the same time.
  So $1500 for an inverter.

  -Original Message-
  From: Sterling Jacobson
  Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
  To: 'af@afmug.com'
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

  Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.

  Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in 
my utility room?

  I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.

  Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole 
home inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
  Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery 
array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
  Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.

  But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide 
for electricians to make this.

  Is this not ‘normal’ now days?

  I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
  Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹


-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

[Gino A. Villarini]

Why you need a transfer switch? Where are you buying  Gen Controllers? Im in 
the market for several

From: Af > on behalf of David 
Milholen >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 8:36 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?


We are getting one from an auction that came off an old cricket site.

Its output is 27.6v @ 6Kw

I am using forrest's Generator control to help with a homemade transfer switch.

The configuration will be a little complex on doing this but I can make it work 
with little effort.





Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On 8/30/2017 2:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Pretty easy to make DC out of AC.  A true DC generator probably has brushes and 
a commutator.  Not something you really want.
I imagine anything you are likely to find is probably AC that is rectified.

From: can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

Someone posted this a while ago:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-2-IN-1-Gas-Gasoline-Generator-3000W-DC-OUTPUT-24V-for-pure-power-inverter-/252041630986?hash=item3aaeda150a

I think they make them in 12,24 and 48V.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
Anyone using DC Generators for charging Batts ? Really hard to find



Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:part5.0D5F1BB5.D282F1DB@wletc.com]



--
[cid:part6.693B1941.80B84E35@wletc.com]

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello Kopacetic Kool Kats

[Jay Weekley]

Genesis 1:28 Then God blessed them and said, "/Be fruitful and 
multiply/".  Keep up the good work.


Bill Prince wrote:

Congrats Jaime. You've got enough for an NBA team with a very deep bench!

bp


On 8/30/2017 3:15 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

My name is Robert James Mowad Solorza.  I am number 15

Jaime Solorza



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello Kopacetic Kool Kats

[Bill Prince]

Congrats Jaime. You've got enough for an NBA team with a very deep bench!

bp


On 8/30/2017 3:15 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

My name is Robert James Mowad Solorza.  I am number 15

Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Bill Prince]

Don't forget that the Tesla PowerWall stores the power at somewhere in 
the neighborhood of 400-500 volts (I don't remember the exact voltage). 
You would need to deal with that.



bp


On 8/30/2017 2:17 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with 
RMP in Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.


-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Ok.

Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?

I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

How many kwh is that?
Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -

$150 per kWh.
Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.

Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes 
dryers running at the same time.

So $1500 for an inverter.

-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com'
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.

Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array 
in my utility room?


I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.

Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole 
home inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a 
battery array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.

Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.

But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or 
sample/guide for electricians to make this.


Is this not ‘normal’ now days?

I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello Kopacetic Kool Kats

[Cameron Crum]

15! That's what I call multiplication.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:16 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:

> On Wed August 30 2017 17:15, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > My name is Robert James Mowad Solorza.  I am number 15
> >
> > Jaime Solorza
>
> Congratulations.
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hello Kopacetic Kool Kats

[Larry Smith]

On Wed August 30 2017 17:15, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> My name is Robert James Mowad Solorza.  I am number 15
>
> Jaime Solorza

Congratulations.

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net

[AFMUG] ISP radio interviews the ePMP development team

[Ray Savich]

ISP radio.com interviews the ePMP team for an hour on cost effective wireless 
broadband connectivity. 
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-2000-and-1000/ISP-Radio-com-interview-on-ePMP/td-p/77607

Join the Conversation
Cambium Networks Community Forum

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Stefan Englhardt]

Heard LiFePO is the best for island-systems now. Should do more cycles and 
should allow to do deeper cycles without degrading. So smaller batteries should 
be possible which saves space and money.

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Harold Bledsoe
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. August 2017 13:44
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

 

This. 

 

We do systems like this as well using Cenga:

 

http://www.cengapower.com/

 

If you are doing pure backup, AGM is hard to beat because of zero maintenance, 
lower cost, and low cycles involved with backup only. 

 

If you want to island or go off-grid with part of the house with daily cycling, 
the best choices are forklift batteries or lithium ion. Golf cart batteries 
don't work out financially for daily cycling compared to those. 

 

The federal tax incentives makes adding panels essentially free. If you are 
lucky to live in a state friendly to solar with state incentives, the system 
gets pretty darn cheap!

 

I personally am not a believer in netmetering anymore. I started out with 
netmetering and ended up taking most of the house islanded. Why? The power 
companies don't want to do it so they eventually will find a way to kill it. My 
power company added a netmetering fee of $10/kW installed per month. So I'm 
islanded now.

 

Hal

 

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM Zach Underwood  > wrote:

1 watt of lead battery does not equal 1 watt of lithium ion. With lead acid you 
can only take them to about 40-50% depth of discharge but with the lithium ion 
you can get like 80-90% depth of discharge. Also the number of discharge is 
only like 1000-3000 cycles where with lithium it can be as high as 9000 cycles. 
The number of cycles is less of a problem in a grid connected back up only but 
if off grid solar then with lead you would have to replace every 2-3 years 
where with lithium it could be every 5-10 years.

When I was looking into solar this year the 10 year cost of lithium was cheaper 
then lead. 

Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)

http://ZachUnderwood.me

advance-networking.com  



 

On Aug 30, 2017 9:13 PM, "Mathew Howard"  > wrote:

Tesla Powerwall looks to be 14kWh, so you'd be looking at about $2100 worth of 
batteries to get the equivalent. I don't see anything on Tesla's website about 
what size inverter it comes with, but from what I'm seeing on Google, it looks 
to only be 5kW.

You'd also have to come up with some kind of a charger if you don't have solar.

 

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with RMP in 
Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.

-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM


To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Ok.

Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?

I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

How many kwh is that?
Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -

$150 per kWh.
Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.

Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers running 
at the same time.
So $1500 for an inverter.

-Original Message-
From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com  '
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.

Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in my 
utility room?

I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.

Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole home 
inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery array 
for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.

But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide for 
electricians to make this.

Is this not ‘normal’ now days?

I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹

-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

[David Milholen]

We are getting one from an auction that came off an old cricket site.

Its output is 27.6v @ 6Kw

I am using forrest's Generator control to help with a homemade transfer 
switch.


The configuration will be a little complex on doing this but I can make 
it work with little effort.




On 8/30/2017 2:04 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Pretty easy to make DC out of AC.  A true DC generator probably has 
brushes and a commutator.  Not something you really want.
I imagine anything you are likely to find is probably AC that is 
rectified.

*From:* can...@believewireless.net
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:56 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?
Someone posted this a while ago:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-2-IN-1-Gas-Gasoline-Generator-3000W-DC-OUTPUT-24V-for-pure-power-inverter-/252041630986?hash=item3aaeda150a
I think they make them in 12,24 and 48V.
On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Gino A. Villarini  
wrote:


Anyone using DC Generators for charging Batts ? Really hard to find

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968



--

Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness

[Harold Bledsoe]

This.

We do systems like this as well using Cenga:

http://www.cengapower.com/

If you are doing pure backup, AGM is hard to beat because of zero
maintenance, lower cost, and low cycles involved with backup only.

If you want to island or go off-grid with part of the house with daily
cycling, the best choices are forklift batteries or lithium ion. Golf cart
batteries don't work out financially for daily cycling compared to those.

The federal tax incentives makes adding panels essentially free. If you are
lucky to live in a state friendly to solar with state incentives, the
system gets pretty darn cheap!

I personally am not a believer in netmetering anymore. I started out with
netmetering and ended up taking most of the house islanded. Why? The power
companies don't want to do it so they eventually will find a way to kill
it. My power company added a netmetering fee of $10/kW installed per month.
So I'm islanded now.

Hal

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:30 PM Zach Underwood  wrote:

> 1 watt of lead battery does not equal 1 watt of lithium ion. With lead
> acid you can only take them to about 40-50% depth of discharge but with the
> lithium ion you can get like 80-90% depth of discharge. Also the number of
> discharge is only like 1000-3000 cycles where with lithium it can be as
> high as 9000 cycles. The number of cycles is less of a problem in a grid
> connected back up only but if off grid solar then with lead you would have
> to replace every 2-3 years where with lithium it could be every 5-10 years.
> When I was looking into solar this year the 10 year cost of lithium was
> cheaper then lead.
>
> Zach Underwood (RHCE,RHCSA,RHCT,UACA)
>
> http://ZachUnderwood.me
>
> advance-networking.com
>
>
>
> On Aug 30, 2017 9:13 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:
>
> Tesla Powerwall looks to be 14kWh, so you'd be looking at about $2100
> worth of batteries to get the equivalent. I don't see anything on Tesla's
> website about what size inverter it comes with, but from what I'm seeing on
> Google, it looks to only be 5kW.
>
> You'd also have to come up with some kind of a charger if you don't have
> solar.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 4:17 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> How many kWh is that tesla wall of batts or whatever it is called?
>> BTW, you have until November to file a net metering application with RMP
>> in Utah to get grandfathered into the better deal.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:14 PM
>>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>>
>> Ok.
>>
>> Is this easier to do with a APC Symmetra PC Power Array system?
>>
>> I found one for a good price for pickup 16Kva for $1800.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:11 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>>
>> How many kwh is that?
>> Batts can be had for 15 cents per watt hour  - or -
>>
>> $150 per kWh.
>> Inverters come in at 15-30 cents per watt.
>>
>> Lets say you want a 20 kWh battery, DIY it should cost $3K for the batts.
>> 10 kW will run most homes unless you have all the AC and clothes dryers
>> running at the same time.
>> So $1500 for an inverter.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Sterling Jacobson
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:03 PM
>> To: 'af@afmug.com'
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Home Battery Array, Generator and Solar Readiness
>>
>> Looks like it’s about $6k plus installation for a TESLA Wall battery.
>>
>> Couldn’t I just get about 10 $165 batteries and put them in an array in
>> my utility room?
>>
>> I’ve got a Generac transfer switch that I haven’t hooked up.
>>
>> Ideally I would like to have ‘clean’ power through some sort of whole
>> home inverter/conditioner for regular utility power.
>> Then if the power glitches I would like to seamlessly run off a battery
>> array for a few minutes until the Generator comes online.
>> Then have a whole home generator on NG for any extended power outages.
>>
>> But I’m having a hard time finding online any sort of DIY or sample/guide
>> for electricians to make this.
>>
>> Is this not ‘normal’ now days?
>>
>> I don’t have solar, but would like to consider it in the future as well.
>> Wife doesn’t like the look of panels on the roof ☹
>>
>> --

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] Sync Status Screen on 450i ver 15.1.1 w/timing port sync

[George Skorup]

Yup, just tried one. 100% confirmed w/ a Rev i SB12. Turned on UGPS 
power on one of the 450i APs and now it sees the data. I don't remember 
if I wired the RJ12 with 1,2,3&6 or just 1,3&6 on that one. Knowing me, 
since I knew the SB12 can't take UGPS power anyway, I probably left pin 
2 disconnected.


On 8/31/2017 3:42 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
If you get a chance, try turning the uGPS power on on one of the 
non-uGPS powered ones...   Should be perfectly safe, since there isn't 
anything attached to that pin on the syncbox 12's.


I'm glad to hear that data is working.   I've been so saturated with 
this rackinjector project that I haven't had a chance to keep up with 
the releases and test them.  I knew cambium was working on them, but 
when I keep hearing the data isn't there I just assume they haven't 
fixed it.    Now I have an answer for my tech support customers.




On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 2:32 AM, George Skorup 
> wrote:


Cool to hear GPS+GLONASS coming.

15.0.3 or 15.1 fixed the 450i GPS data. I forget which one. I'm
now running 15.1.1 on all 900 450i sectors. And I have some that
don't display the data. I had a suspicion that it had something to
do with UGPS power since the ones that don't work are on boxes
with dedicated power and UGPS power on those APs is off. I messed
with the message checksum and it didn't make a difference.

All sectors with SBJ Aux boxes w/ UGPS power on = GPS data present.

900 450i sectors at sites mixed with 900 and 5.7 FSK on Rev i
SB12's. UGPS power off = no data. The FSK radios are seeing data
just fine.

So yeah, seems obvious that it's ignoring the GPS data if UGPS
power is off.


On 8/31/2017 2:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I've had a chance tonight to spend some time validating a new GPS
receiver with which adds GLONASS.  Looking good w/much better
sensitivity.  Those of you who have been mentioning the desire
for this don't have long to wait - 30 days or so, really depends
on how long the GPS module stock lasts here.   Rev K will have
the new GPS modules.

In the process I've discovered that cambium in 15.1.1 (or perhaps
earlier) seems to have fixed a longstanding bug in the 450i that
prevented reliable reception of GPS status information on the GPS
status screen.

However, I've also discovered that in order to get GPS status at
all, you need uGPS power on, even for those devices such as a
syncbox 12 which doesn't need uGPS power.

For those of you running 15.1.1 on a 450i/450m, and a packetflux
timing port sync device (aka a syncbox of some sort), I'm curious
to find out if enabling uGPS power and enabling 'verify gps
message checksum' results in a usable GPS status screen.   Note
that you'll need pin 3 on the syncbox connected to pin 4 on the
450i/m if you're using a timing port device (as opposed to a
syncbox junior Aux Port version which just needs a straight
through CAT5 cable.).


​

-- 
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  |
http://www.packetflux.com 

 








--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Sync Status Screen on 450i ver 15.1.1 w/timing port sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

If you get a chance, try turning the uGPS power on on one of the non-uGPS
powered ones...   Should be perfectly safe, since there isn't anything
attached to that pin on the syncbox 12's.

I'm glad to hear that data is working.   I've been so saturated with this
rackinjector project that I haven't had a chance to keep up with the
releases and test them.  I knew cambium was working on them, but when I
keep hearing the data isn't there I just assume they haven't fixed it.
 Now I have an answer for my tech support customers.



On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 2:32 AM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Cool to hear GPS+GLONASS coming.
>
> 15.0.3 or 15.1 fixed the 450i GPS data. I forget which one. I'm now
> running 15.1.1 on all 900 450i sectors. And I have some that don't display
> the data. I had a suspicion that it had something to do with UGPS power
> since the ones that don't work are on boxes with dedicated power and UGPS
> power on those APs is off. I messed with the message checksum and it didn't
> make a difference.
>
> All sectors with SBJ Aux boxes w/ UGPS power on = GPS data present.
>
> 900 450i sectors at sites mixed with 900 and 5.7 FSK on Rev i SB12's. UGPS
> power off = no data. The FSK radios are seeing data just fine.
>
> So yeah, seems obvious that it's ignoring the GPS data if UGPS power is
> off.
>
>
> On 8/31/2017 2:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> I've had a chance tonight to spend some time validating a new GPS receiver
> with which adds GLONASS.  Looking good w/much better sensitivity.  Those of
> you who have been mentioning the desire for this don't have long to wait -
> 30 days or so, really depends on how long the GPS module stock lasts here.
>   Rev K will have the new GPS modules.
>
> In the process I've discovered that cambium in 15.1.1 (or perhaps earlier)
> seems to have fixed a longstanding bug in the 450i that prevented reliable
> reception of GPS status information on the GPS status screen.
>
> However, I've also discovered that in order to get GPS status at all, you
> need uGPS power on, even for those devices such as a syncbox 12 which
> doesn't need uGPS power.
>
> For those of you running 15.1.1 on a 450i/450m, and a packetflux timing
> port sync device (aka a syncbox of some sort), I'm curious to find out if
> enabling uGPS power and enabling 'verify gps message checksum' results in a
> usable GPS status screen.   Note that you'll need pin 3 on the syncbox
> connected to pin 4 on the 450i/m if you're using a timing port device (as
> opposed to a syncbox junior Aux Port version which just needs a straight
> through CAT5 cable.).
>
>
> ​
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Sync Status Screen on 450i ver 15.1.1 w/timing port sync

[George Skorup]

Cool to hear GPS+GLONASS coming.

15.0.3 or 15.1 fixed the 450i GPS data. I forget which one. I'm now 
running 15.1.1 on all 900 450i sectors. And I have some that don't 
display the data. I had a suspicion that it had something to do with 
UGPS power since the ones that don't work are on boxes with dedicated 
power and UGPS power on those APs is off. I messed with the message 
checksum and it didn't make a difference.


All sectors with SBJ Aux boxes w/ UGPS power on = GPS data present.

900 450i sectors at sites mixed with 900 and 5.7 FSK on Rev i SB12's. 
UGPS power off = no data. The FSK radios are seeing data just fine.


So yeah, seems obvious that it's ignoring the GPS data if UGPS power is off.

On 8/31/2017 2:57 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I've had a chance tonight to spend some time validating a new GPS 
receiver with which adds GLONASS.  Looking good w/much better 
sensitivity.  Those of you who have been mentioning the desire for 
this don't have long to wait - 30 days or so, really depends on how 
long the GPS module stock lasts here.   Rev K will have the new GPS 
modules.


In the process I've discovered that cambium in 15.1.1 (or perhaps 
earlier) seems to have fixed a longstanding bug in the 450i that 
prevented reliable reception of GPS status information on the GPS 
status screen.


However, I've also discovered that in order to get GPS status at all, 
you need uGPS power on, even for those devices such as a syncbox 12 
which doesn't need uGPS power.


For those of you running 15.1.1 on a 450i/450m, and a packetflux 
timing port sync device (aka a syncbox of some sort), I'm curious to 
find out if enabling uGPS power and enabling 'verify gps message 
checksum' results in a usable GPS status screen.   Note that you'll 
need pin 3 on the syncbox connected to pin 4 on the 450i/m if you're 
using a timing port device (as opposed to a syncbox junior Aux Port 
version which just needs a straight through CAT5 cable.).



​

--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

[AFMUG] Sync Status Screen on 450i ver 15.1.1 w/timing port sync

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I've had a chance tonight to spend some time validating a new GPS receiver
with which adds GLONASS.  Looking good w/much better sensitivity.  Those of
you who have been mentioning the desire for this don't have long to wait -
30 days or so, really depends on how long the GPS module stock lasts here.
  Rev K will have the new GPS modules.

In the process I've discovered that cambium in 15.1.1 (or perhaps earlier)
seems to have fixed a longstanding bug in the 450i that prevented reliable
reception of GPS status information on the GPS status screen.

However, I've also discovered that in order to get GPS status at all, you
need uGPS power on, even for those devices such as a syncbox 12 which
doesn't need uGPS power.

For those of you running 15.1.1 on a 450i/450m, and a packetflux timing
port sync device (aka a syncbox of some sort), I'm curious to find out if
enabling uGPS power and enabling 'verify gps message checksum' results in a
usable GPS status screen.   Note that you'll need pin 3 on the syncbox
connected to pin 4 on the 450i/m if you're using a timing port device (as
opposed to a syncbox junior Aux Port version which just needs a straight
through CAT5 cable.).


​

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com