Re: [AFMUG] epmp lockups
I've had a couple regular connectorized radios in AP mode appear to crash. Logged into the MikroTiks they're attached to, interface shows up at 100FDX, no traffic, can't ping it. Bouncing the MT interface brought them back, no reboot required. No other radios at the sites had any issues. Hasn't happened again in months, so I don't know what the problem may have been at the time. And I haven't messed with firmware on those either. On 5/16/2015 10:27 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: on three different radios on two towers? :) - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 9:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] epmp lockups Bad Ethernet port? Replace it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 16, 2015 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: We're running some EPMP 2.4 - recently, we've seen a higher number of lockups than normal. I would say in the 6 months or so we've been running it, i've certainly seen at least one lockup with each access point. A few questions - Is anyone else seeing this, or are we just lucky? If so, is there a firmware version you see this less? We have rebooters at most of the sites it's occurring but at least one site I know doesn't have one. (i know cause i had someone out there at 1:30 this morning and now i'm about to go out there!) Thanks! -jf
Re: [AFMUG] epmp lockups
Yep. After I bounced the interfaces and got logged into them, MonitorWireless shows the SM sessions never went down. One of them is on a building and the cable is maybe 20 feet on a Laird POE-24iR. The other one is about a 140' run on a tower powered by a PacketFlux injector on a Phoenix Contact power supply. On 5/16/2015 2:48 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Quick question... Is the wireless interface itself still up and broadcasting during this time? On 2015-05-16 12:48 pm, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote: I've had a couple regular connectorized radios in AP mode appear to crash. Logged into the MikroTiks they're attached to, interface shows up at 100FDX, no traffic, can't ping it. Bouncing the MT interface brought them back, no reboot required. No other radios at the sites had any issues. Hasn't happened again in months, so I don't know what the problem may have been at the time. And I haven't messed with firmware on those either. On 5/16/2015 10:27 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: on three different radios on two towers? :) - Original Message - FROM: Josh Luthman TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Saturday, May 16, 2015 9:34 AM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] epmp lockups Bad Ethernet port? Replace it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 16, 2015 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: We're running some EPMP 2.4 - recently, we've seen a higher number of lockups than normal. I would say in the 6 months or so we've been running it, i've certainly seen at least one lockup with each access point. A few questions - Is anyone else seeing this, or are we just lucky? If so, is there a firmware version you see this less? We have rebooters at most of the sites it's occurring but at least one site I know doesn't have one. (i know cause i had someone out there at 1:30 this morning and now i'm about to go out there!) Thanks! -jf
Re: [AFMUG] epmp lockups
I'll admit we don't have a lot of ePMP up, but I haven't had many issues with it. Besides the screwy data display issues like the bridge tables which now appears to be mostly fixed with R2.4.2. The two radios with what appeared to be locked up ethernet interfaces could've just been flukes. Who knows. And they haven't done it since then. On 5/16/2015 3:36 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: In the first case the wireless interface went down as well. I was pulling up the radio to check on the status of a technician that was installing a customer on the unit and it crashed before it pulled completely up. The tech called me a minute later to see why the AP had disappeared. Not sure if that was the case in subsequent lockups. Incidentally, I accidentally typed the address of the unit last night but the page didn't load and didn't think anything about it and then looked at alerts and the unit was reported as down a few minutes later. Josh Reynolds wrote: Quick question... Is the wireless interface itself still up and broadcasting during this time? On 2015-05-16 12:48 pm, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote: I've had a couple regular connectorized radios in AP mode appear to crash. Logged into the MikroTiks they're attached to, interface shows up at 100FDX, no traffic, can't ping it. Bouncing the MT interface brought them back, no reboot required. No other radios at the sites had any issues. Hasn't happened again in months, so I don't know what the problem may have been at the time. And I haven't messed with firmware on those either. On 5/16/2015 10:27 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: on three different radios on two towers? :) - Original Message - FROM: Josh Luthman TO: af@afmug.com SENT: Saturday, May 16, 2015 9:34 AM SUBJECT: Re: [AFMUG] epmp lockups Bad Ethernet port? Replace it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 16, 2015 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: We're running some EPMP 2.4 - recently, we've seen a higher number of lockups than normal. I would say in the 6 months or so we've been running it, i've certainly seen at least one lockup with each access point. A few questions - Is anyone else seeing this, or are we just lucky? If so, is there a firmware version you see this less? We have rebooters at most of the sites it's occurring but at least one site I know doesn't have one. (i know cause i had someone out there at 1:30 this morning and now i'm about to go out there!) Thanks! -jf
Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment
Yep, just like how DB9 RS232 interfaces went away. But that can be solved with a serial to USB adapter. Wait... what do we do when USB goes away!? On 5/16/2015 5:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Ethernet ports on devices are going the way of diskette drives. The only way to get data or software into your things is via Cloud-Internet-WiFi. What is this “cable” of which you speak? *From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 4:59 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment My mantra: If it doesn’t move, it needs an ethernet cable. *From:* Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 2:50 PM *To:* af mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer equipment Getting back on topic... assuming there isn't a wall in between, if it's only a foot away, why doesn't he just plug a wire into the wretched thing? On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 11:08 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: This customer has had his PlayStation working and it stopped working he's getting 10 meg and he wants us to fix it Its connected to a apple router and they are within a foot of each other BTW I hate apple routers my opinion On May 16, 2015 10:54 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Nothing formal but the process we use with all devices that aren’t computers 1)Does the device see the broadcast SSID? 2)If not, then the WiFi doesn’t work on the device and you need an external WiFi adapter or get it fixed. Lots of Xboxes fall into this category. 3)If it does see it, test without encryption, see if that works. We run into a couple of options with this issue, can’t negotiate security, devices only supports WEP, WPA, or WPS which Ubiquiti doesn’t support. 4)If it still doesn’t work, check all updates and firmware 5)From there, try replacing the AP or testing with another AP 6)At the point, replace the playstation or the device *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:28 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Customer equipment Is anyone got a sop for working on customer equipment. Such as calling to say sons PlayStation not working ?
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium question
Gonna have to use a 40MHz channel. Good luck with that. Why not licensed? On 5/14/2015 6:30 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Local WISP purchased a pair of Cambium epmp and 30db dishes for a 15 mile link from bank building to water tank clean LOS. What speeds can he expect from a 100 x 100 fiber feed at bank out to tank? What is receive threshold of these radios? Thank you Cambi dudes... Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Sales shout
I hate a handful of people less than the rest of the planet. Only slightly less though. They don't call me grumpy around the office for nothin. On 5/14/2015 10:19 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Funny, I distill this whole post to the following: “I dont like people in general” *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2015 7:49 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Sales shout I mentioned this guy once before. But Im dealing with him again on a couple projects, I suspect the boss may screw him out of free labor (get the sales guy to do the quote, then price shop his product offering). So Im hoping somebody here will pick up on him and send some business his way. I hate sales guys, I cant stand them, I dont like people in general, but sales guys are the worst. This guy is the only sales guy I answer the phone for. the follow up calls are friendly, he remembers me and offers up relevant products if theyre on his radar. If I tell him im climbing up some grain leg, he says ok and ends the call if I have time to talk he finds out what projects are going on and what offerings he has to meet the need. Ive never seen longer than a 48 hour turnaround on a quote. We have made a total of 1 purchase in the three years almost Ive been dealing with him, yet he treats us like we are his number 1 customer (I hope to god we arent :-) ) This is the guy, if your looking for some stuff, hit him up: jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com mailto:jarrod.washing...@moonblink.com _ _ -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 weird issue
I believe Chuck said GPS does nothing in FDD mode. It's really only for TDD synchronization. Obviously with FDD you're always transmitting and receiving simultaneously. I would run the co-located radios as masters on the same Tx freq. That's really the only way it's going to work anyway. 15 degrees may not be enough separation in azimuth. Maybe turning the power down on the shorter link would do it. On 5/13/2015 8:09 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote: Full duplex… -- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 9:08 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 weird issue Are you doing half or full duplex? On 5/13/2015 8:02 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote: Thanks! -- From: Jeremy Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 8:58 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 weird issue Absolutely. It will not work without it. On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Andreas Wiatowski andr...@silowireless.com mailto:andr...@silowireless.com wrote: Out of curiosity…should I be turning on GPS timing? Does it even work? -- From: Josh Reynolds Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 at 8:49 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 24 weird issue Make both airfibers on the shared rooftop masters, with reversed tx/rx. I think the most we have at one location is 4, and there is no more than 10 feet from end to end of the structure. They are on slightly different azimuths. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 05/13/2015 04:46 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote: We have 2 Airfiber 24’s co-located on a building rooftop… they have about 15ft horizontal separation. The one air fibre pair is aimed at a tower about 1KM away and not the tower side we are about 75ft in the air. The other Airfiber is located on a building across the road at the same height. The azimuth is about 15 degrees off of each other. The link from roof to tower, works 100%. The link from building to building is about 400ft away and we are having weird issues getting it to link. Is there some sort of co-location magic to make this work? I read somewhere that we should have master or slave mode matching at the co-located sites. Any words of wisdom are appreciated. -Andreas --
Re: [AFMUG] CNUT and EPMP
I just wish I could get APSM GUI proxy like Canopy. If they did that, then they'd be on their way to Canopy-like auto-update using the AP as the file server. On 5/12/2015 10:15 AM, Nate Burke wrote: Is CNUT the best way to update Deployed EPMP Radios? It looks like you manually have to enter all CPE's into it, as it's not auto-discovering anything from the AP. I see there's this new CNS server, is that the recommended way? I am already monitoring all the radios with MRTG, so I'm not sure I need any of the monitoring that it offers, unless there's something special it does.
Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting
If the tower is painted, then it probably never had a white day/night beacon, probably only red lights at night and my guess is only the top flashed since it's only 300'. On 5/12/2015 1:14 PM, joseph marsh wrote: This tower was built in 2000 Why would a tower company or radio station remove the beacon controller ? I just got in the building and checked the tower base didn't make it around the property due to the tall grass waist high On May 12, 2015 1:04 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote: I just got a price on those while at IWCE and it was more more Than an entire new LED light kit. Would save on labor though. On May 12, 2015 7:53 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: You can get nice LEDs that screw into an edison base. I presume there are existing fixtures. *From:* Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:49 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting 300 is one beacon and two side lights. Dual LED would run probably $8500 to $11000 cost, no labor. On May 12, 2015 7:42 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: 300 On May 12, 2015 12:40 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: How tall is it? 199’ and below no lights required. *From:* joseph marsh mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:39 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower lighting a young guy owns it and his sister I'm trying to keep him out of trouble On May 12, 2015 12:33 PM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote: There are several. TWR lighting is good. ITS light is also good. I would suggest Dual RED/WHITE LED to avoid painting. We had a simile situation and we were able to get an easement for $2000 one time payment. Took a lot of work to get it going. If you got a lease and don't own the tower the FCC has a ruling that leasee's are not liable for tower requirements. On May 12, 2015 6:37 AM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com wrote: I have found a abandoned tower and getting a lease this tower needs new lighting Where do I go about buying lights never done this before
Re: [AFMUG] High Gain 900 MHz Patch Antennas?
We have a couple APs on SuperStingers and probably a hundred SMs on them as well. F/B doesn't seem to be much of an issue. We only do 900 in horizontal because the band is cluttered with v-pol SCADA. By far the best performing 900 sectors are Til-Teks, but they are big and expensive. We've been using the KP 120's for a long time and while they don't have the greatest rear lobe suppression, they are much smaller and lighter. We have four doing ABAB on lots of sites, and many of those are just Rohn 25, so obviously the less weight and wind load the better. On 5/11/2015 6:59 AM, Christopher Gray wrote: I'm looking for recommendations for high-gain patch antennas to be used with PMP100 900 MHz gear. I have a tight grouping of potential customers that could be covered with a beam-width of only 15 degrees (I'm not trying to go that tight, just mentioning it). I figure I'd use the same antenna for the AP as well as the SMs. These are ones that caught my eye: * Super-Stinger: 13.5 dBi, FtB 15 dB, VSWR ?, 39 deg * KP-900-13-45: 13 dBi, FtB 25 dB, VSWR 1.5, ? Deg * ARC Wireless ARC-PA0913B01: 12.5 dBi, FtB 25 dB, VSWR 1.5, 42 deg * Laird Technologies R2T9-12: 12 Dbi, FtB 21 dB, VSWR 1.5, 45 deg The list is in order of stated gain. The Super-Stinger is the highest gain unit I've seen, but I don't like how low the stated front-to-back noise radio is. Also, I like the ability of the others to be rotated to change polarity if necessary. I've read good things about the M3 and KP yagis, but in New England we do get icing every year. I'm hesitant to install a yagi and have dropped services next winter. So,are there any good reasons to pick one of these over any other? Are there any good reviews or recommendations for high-gain patch antennas? Thanks - Chris
Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor 5ch PDU
I think per module is good enough, but I wouldn't complain about having a per port setting. On 5/10/2015 7:46 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: The number of resets and timing of the resets are configurable. The current implementation is on a per module basis but I'm considering the possibility of per port as well. On May 10, 2015 5:13 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Awesome. Not sure if my three reset attempts idea makes sense. I'm just worried about something like a SS blowing and the PDU sitting there resetting the port(s) endlessly. I imagine that's probably not good for the electronic breaker thingamajig. What I have observed with the WB SS's is a nearby lightning strike will set them off and the fuse blows. Replace the fuse and everything is usually good to go again. If feel better that the SS did something and probably saved the radio and/or router/switch port from taking a surge. OTOH, I have seen them actually blow completely (saving the gear most of the time) and obviously the fuse pops. Get to the site and replace the fuse only to have it pop again. That's when I know something else is wrong. :( On 5/10/2015 5:01 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: All of the modules which have overcurrent trip are going to get this functionality. Timing: The base unit firmware is getting a (hopefully) final release based on the current code. This code is ready and just needs to be packaged for release. This final release fixes a issue where the base unit Ethernet locks up, causing a software deadlock followed by a watchdog reboot. The trigger is bad packets being received, usually as a result of a duplex mismatch. Once that is done, there will be a early adopter chain released for both the base unit and expansion modules. There are added capabilities being added to the system which makes the auto reset functionality much easier to implement. For example, the expansion modules will be keeping track of the length of time since the last change, which equates to the time since the last trip. This information will be available via the web and via snmp. The code we have written for this also includes the auto reset functionality. This actually isn't that far out as most of it is done, we just ended up needing to track down this other bug once we were able to reproduce it in house, and then backport it to the current release without all the new experimental stuff in it. On May 10, 2015 12:53 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Question for Forrest. I know it was talked about in the past to have an auto-reset when a port goes into over-current trip for the SyncInjectors. What about the PDU module? I'm working on some stuff that's going to be far away, so the PDU in place of fuse blocks makes total sense, but it would be even more awesome if any tripped outputs could reset themselves after 5-10 seconds. Not sure if this is possible, but maybe like three reset attempts and it gives up would be pretty cool too.
Re: [AFMUG] Managed Industrial PoE Switch with SFP
Maybe something like: http://planetechusa.com/igs-10020hpt-industrial-8-port-10-100-1000t-802-3at-poe-2-port-100-1000x-sfp-managed-switch-with-wide-operating-temperature.html or if you don't need 802.3at http://planetechusa.com/igs-10020pt-industrial-8-port-10-100-1000t-802-3af-poe-2-port-100-1000x-sfp-managed-switch.html On 5/11/2015 10:25 AM, Rory McCann wrote: I'm looking for a hardened, managed, PoE switch with 1Gig SFP. It's going to be installed in an unprotected, unconditioned cabinet, so temps will be inconsistent (90F+ summer, -10F or colder winter). Was looking at the MOXA EDS-P510A-8PoE Series, however at the $1700+ price point I was hoping to find something a little cheaper. I have limited space, so rack mount is out of the question. Will be running a couple of IP cameras and a Serial-to-IP converter for a ticket printer. Do you guys have any recommendations?
Re: [AFMUG] ARC wireless eXsite dish
If they aren't keyed like the damn UBNT dishes! And I bet UBNT wants you to use the conversion kit so the weep holes at the front of the reflector stay on the bottom. I don't like that design at all. On 5/11/2015 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Loosen up the feed tube so that you can rotate the N connectors the a 45 degree orientation rather than the VH. -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby Sent: Monday, May 11, 2015 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ARC wireless eXsite dish I got a couple ARC Wireless eXsite 30dBi dishes to try out on a Airfiber 5X link. Their site (http://www.antennas.com/dish-antennas-2/) claims the polarization is Dual Linear – V and H (can be adjusted for Dual Slant +/- 45°) Since UBNT's dual-slant dishes are not widely available yet, I decided to give a pair of these a try. No instructions were included on how to change them to dual slant. Anyone tried a pair of these? There are some tiny allen-wrench type screws that look like might do the trick, but I don't want to mess something up trying. I can of course use the radios without dual-slant, but would like to give it a try. Thanks!
Re: [AFMUG] Managed Industrial PoE Switch with SFP
Over the weekend I was looking at getting a few of the unmanaged non-PoE Gbit version for a project. They seem to be about the best cost in the 12-48V DC powered and temperature tolerance categories though. No idea on the VLAN aspect of the managed versions. Glancing at the user manual though, these both appear to support configuring the management VLAN ID. On 5/11/2015 11:09 AM, Rory McCann wrote: Didn't even think of Planet! Do these support a management VLAN or is everything done on VLAN1? I have a HP1905 (3com officeconnect) that I would've thrown in this cabinet, but I can't change the management VID. Rory McCann MKAP Technology Solutions Web: www.mkap.net On 5/11/2015 10:39 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote: Maybe something like: http://planetechusa.com/igs-10020hpt-industrial-8-port-10-100-1000t-802-3at-poe-2-port-100-1000x-sfp-managed-switch-with-wide-operating-temperature.html or if you don't need 802.3at http://planetechusa.com/igs-10020pt-industrial-8-port-10-100-1000t-802-3af-poe-2-port-100-1000x-sfp-managed-switch.html On 5/11/2015 10:25 AM, Rory McCann wrote: I'm looking for a hardened, managed, PoE switch with 1Gig SFP. It's going to be installed in an unprotected, unconditioned cabinet, so temps will be inconsistent (90F+ summer, -10F or colder winter). Was looking at the MOXA EDS-P510A-8PoE Series, however at the $1700+ price point I was hoping to find something a little cheaper. I have limited space, so rack mount is out of the question. Will be running a couple of IP cameras and a Serial-to-IP converter for a ticket printer. Do you guys have any recommendations?
Re: [AFMUG] SiteMonitor 5ch PDU
Awesome. Not sure if my three reset attempts idea makes sense. I'm just worried about something like a SS blowing and the PDU sitting there resetting the port(s) endlessly. I imagine that's probably not good for the electronic breaker thingamajig. What I have observed with the WB SS's is a nearby lightning strike will set them off and the fuse blows. Replace the fuse and everything is usually good to go again. If feel better that the SS did something and probably saved the radio and/or router/switch port from taking a surge. OTOH, I have seen them actually blow completely (saving the gear most of the time) and obviously the fuse pops. Get to the site and replace the fuse only to have it pop again. That's when I know something else is wrong. :( On 5/10/2015 5:01 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: All of the modules which have overcurrent trip are going to get this functionality. Timing: The base unit firmware is getting a (hopefully) final release based on the current code. This code is ready and just needs to be packaged for release. This final release fixes a issue where the base unit Ethernet locks up, causing a software deadlock followed by a watchdog reboot. The trigger is bad packets being received, usually as a result of a duplex mismatch. Once that is done, there will be a early adopter chain released for both the base unit and expansion modules. There are added capabilities being added to the system which makes the auto reset functionality much easier to implement. For example, the expansion modules will be keeping track of the length of time since the last change, which equates to the time since the last trip. This information will be available via the web and via snmp. The code we have written for this also includes the auto reset functionality. This actually isn't that far out as most of it is done, we just ended up needing to track down this other bug once we were able to reproduce it in house, and then backport it to the current release without all the new experimental stuff in it. On May 10, 2015 12:53 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Question for Forrest. I know it was talked about in the past to have an auto-reset when a port goes into over-current trip for the SyncInjectors. What about the PDU module? I'm working on some stuff that's going to be far away, so the PDU in place of fuse blocks makes total sense, but it would be even more awesome if any tripped outputs could reset themselves after 5-10 seconds. Not sure if this is possible, but maybe like three reset attempts and it gives up would be pretty cool too.
[AFMUG] SiteMonitor 5ch PDU
Question for Forrest. I know it was talked about in the past to have an auto-reset when a port goes into over-current trip for the SyncInjectors. What about the PDU module? I'm working on some stuff that's going to be far away, so the PDU in place of fuse blocks makes total sense, but it would be even more awesome if any tripped outputs could reset themselves after 5-10 seconds. Not sure if this is possible, but maybe like three reset attempts and it gives up would be pretty cool too.
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
13.2.1 just fixes some SNMP bugs and possibly something else, I forget, but no, nothing sync related. Well, it does give you the ability to permanently disable the on-board GPS (synconboard off via telnet) if it's acting stupid. This all started in one of the early 13.2 builds. If the iGPS has lock and you reboot the board, it boots up using the on-board first which is not right. AutoSync is supposed to go power port, then timing port, then on-board. And there's the FreeRun stuck issue. And AutoSync changing sources causes dropped sessions. I'm sure there's stuff I'm forgetting, but yeah, AutoSync isn't working right. Then there's just something.. different about 3GHz, it has a lot more issues. I don't know if it's because LBT is in the mix as well or what. I was just up there last week. Trust me, they're not ignoring this. Aaron and his team has been locked in a room for three months working on code. On 5/9/2015 10:45 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I’m actually relying on George to hound them until they find and fix the problem. Note that I’m on 13.2 which is not the latest latest FW, I don’t think there have been any sync fixes since then however. Not sure I’ve seen the issue he talks about with sync events during operation, once mine are working they are OK, I just have to remember to check sync status after any reboots. *From:* Colin Stanners mailto:cstann...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 10:37 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear That sounds problematic - what did Cambium tech support say? On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: I’ve definitely noticed autosync issues on 450 running 13.2 FW, on both 3.65 and 5 GHz. It will report no sync from internal GPS, or it will report receiving power port sync from a CTM2 or Syncinjector (which is actually present, unlike your case) but nonetheless will freerun. Typically occurs after a power cycle, reboot and the problem clears. *From:* Zack Deveaux mailto:zack_deve...@hotmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 5:22 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear For what it's worth, I've noticed AutoSync weirdness as well on PMP100 900MHz APs and it didn't seem to have anything to do with Packetflux gear. It's occurred with APs timed by Sync Pipes but also when timed by just SM timing ports. Occasionally if the AP were to lose it's timing port sync, the algorithm seemed to get 'confused'. The Event Log would list timing port sync losses. It would also list events stating that it was receiving sync via the power port which was impossible. The GUI would indicate 'receiving sync - power port' when that wasn't even a possibility, and the strange part - when timing port sync did return we were left with an AP with it's SMs dropping session and the AP GUI still showing 'receiving sync - power port' incorrectly. An AP reboot would resolve both the intermittent SM and the AP GUI display symptom completely for us until whatever triggered this state occurred again. There is no source of power port sync at these type of sites. As a workaround, I've set APs exhibiting this symptom to 'Remote AP' instead of 'Standard AP' to remove the power port as a possible sync source.If I remember correctly, that makes me not able to retrieve GPS stats when we're using a sync pipe, but should prevent the AP from freaking out if the timing pulse gets interrupted. Date: Sat, 9 May 2015 04:18:19 + From: mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear Yes, the 110 PTP does have a built in GPS. On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 10:32 PM, Jon Langeler jon-ispli...@michwave.net mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote: Does the 110PTP have a GPS built in? Sent from my iPhone On May 8, 2015, at 7:16 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: If it has anything to do with the issue I brought up about the 3GHz 450 going nuts and the APs saying they're losing sync briefly while the SyncInjector shows ZERO events for 1PPS active for months... It's NOT the damn SyncInjectors! It's not even surge suppressors in the path. I have observed exactly the same problems on APs with SyncPipes. There's something busted with AutoSync and/or LBT on 3GHz. And when AutoSync changes sources (on all bands), I get dropped sessions for every SM that's moving traffic, which
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question
That's what it looks like. Seems they've refined the product brochures and datasheets. If the connected supply fails, the battery is then connected to the load (buffer mode), a step up converter is used to maintain the selected output voltage level, Vnom - 6% (typical). They also lead you to believe that it still has the TSP remote control. The module provides two inputs to connect two power supplies to facilitate a redundant system. If one of the two connected sources fails then the second supply will provide energy to load maintaining the desired operation of the unit. The unit is designed to function with the TRACO POWER TSP series, but due to its standalone nature it can be used with any type of fully stabilized 24V or 48V power supply On 5/9/2015 4:22 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Am I understanding that unit correctly? It has a step-up converter from the battery, so unlike the BCM-12/24/48, the output will always be regulated 24 or 48 volts, not battery voltage? Also that it only needs a 12V battery? And can work with any DC power supply since unlike the BCM it doesn’t control the power supply output voltage? *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) mailto:geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 4:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another DC Question This is where the BCMU-360 makes sense, 24 or 48v in one unit. On 5/9/2015 1:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I believe the BCM does have a battery test, maybe not as fancy. My reaction is 60W is kind of low, plus I can use 3 different sizes of TSP from 90 to 360W with the same BCM or alone as just a power supply or add the BCM later. And if it fails, I only have to replace the failed unit. And if the BCM fails, the site can run on just the TSP if I don’t have a spare. And there is a 48V version of the BCM. So it seems more flexible. *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 12:22 PM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Another DC Question Has anyone looked at the Traco TBL-BC before? It seems to do a lot things other than basic battery charging and even temperature compensation. It's not all that big, but may be good for repeater sites. Seems to be about the same cost for a bigger power supply and regular BCM as this guy, but the alternative wouldn't have the battery testing system. http://www.powergatellc.com/pdfs/TBL-BC.pdf - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
PacketFlux stuff works fine. Forrest isn't stupid. And his stuff is a hell of a lot cheaper to replace if it dies. If it wasn't for his stuff, we wouldn't be using as much Moto/Cambium gear. Same can be said for WB and LMG. On 5/8/2015 7:45 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc wrote: General question here. I saw something in the Cambium forum questioning the reliability of Packet flux Sync Injectors. If you use them, are your GPS syncs stable and is power output reliable on the 450 and ePMP gear? *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.*
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450 and ePMP with Packet Flux Gear
If it has anything to do with the issue I brought up about the 3GHz 450 going nuts and the APs saying they're losing sync briefly while the SyncInjector shows ZERO events for 1PPS active for months... It's NOT the damn SyncInjectors! It's not even surge suppressors in the path. I have observed exactly the same problems on APs with SyncPipes. There's something busted with AutoSync and/or LBT on 3GHz. And when AutoSync changes sources (on all bands), I get dropped sessions for every SM that's moving traffic, which is not supposed to happen. So I have no reason to suspect any PacketFlux gear is at fault here. That said, they are working hard on 13.4 for Canopy and they will being looking into this soon after. And I'm told the 2.4.3 release for ePMP will be a fairly big step forward for features and fixes. It was really cool that we got the 110PTP radio as a 10 SM Lite AP with 2.4.2 as well. On 5/8/2015 4:48 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: I'll let others speak to the stability (as a couple already have). A few months ago there was an issue with a mutual customer of mine and cambium's which was having sync problems with an epmp radio. To date, I don't know if the problem was with the epmp, or with the injector, or with a gps lock, or whatever. I can't say that sync is a perfect thing - from time to time, gps modules act weird, injectors don't inject, and AP's don't work right - no matter which product you have. When sync does bad things, it behaves badly. For all I know, in this case my product *might* have been at fault. Or not. It's not important for the rest of the story In any case, somehow this problem morphed into a statement that somehow the SyncInjectors had some sort of systemic issue which lots of wisps were experiencing. I was not particularly amused by this, particularly since I had no communication from cambium at all in relation to this After some back and forth with my internal contact at cambium I was informed that a) that they were tracking some *potential* issue with external sync (usually with a syncinjector) on the ePMP and b) that they hadn't had the time to figure out if it was packetflux-specific or a general issue yet, and that if they determined it was related to my product they'd contact me back. So far, no call back, and I haven't heard any more similar complaints - and I've had interactions with a lot of people who use this regularly with ePMP with no known issues. I also haven't seen anything sync-related in the release notes since that time. -forrest On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 6:45 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net mailto:t...@franklinisp.net wrote: General question here. I saw something in the Cambium forum questioning the reliability of Packet flux Sync Injectors. If you use them, are your GPS syncs stable and is power output reliable on the 450 and ePMP gear? *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *317-738-0320 tel:317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 tel:317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* http://www.surfici.net ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.* -- *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./ Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com mailto:forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com http://www.packetflux.com/ http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian http://facebook.com/packetflux http://twitter.com/@packetflux
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 control counts
Yes. That's just SM registrations. Or attempted registrations. Look at Statistics SM Registration Failures and see if anything interesting is in there. One thing I've been seeing on the 3.6 450 is something happening and SM reg attempts going nuts. The AP reports SM's out of range and it has to be rebooted to fix. That hasn't happened in quite a while, but it was a daily occurrence back when it didn't get above freezing for almost three weeks straight. On 5/7/2015 10:27 AM, Dan Petermann wrote: I have an issue I�m trying to track down. Does this look normal? Transmit Control Count :38 Receive Control Count : 7
Re: [AFMUG] 65 mile link
That's why he said *licensed* 900. Up past the ISM band. On 5/6/2015 4:06 PM, Dan Petermann wrote: It will be carrying scada. 900 is out as the noise floor at the lower end is around -60 or so(middle of natural gas field). On May 6, 2015, at 2:18 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: When you say low speed, how low? Like telemetry/SCADA speed? There are FHSS systems intended for long links in 900 and 2.4, Jaime would be the expert. I�ve also seen power companies and railroads do low speed links in licensed 900 MHz, usually with a paraflector at each end. *From:* Dan Petermann mailto:d...@wyoming.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 3:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 65 mile link 9402� at one end and 7271� at the other. Mountainous with no trees almost no vegetation. On May 6, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Good point, what does the path look like? If it is hill country or mountains, high to low etc diversity may not be needed. But if the path is flat at essentially the same elevation, it may be needed. If the path is flat, same elevation over smooth stuff or water diversity will most likely be needed. *From:* Colin Stanners mailto:cstann...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, May 06, 2015 12:57 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 65 mile link You need spatial diversity for a link that far, and a good air protocol so PTP400 with one 4ft or larger dish at one end and two 4ft dishes (separated by 50ft? Link planner would tell) at the other. On May 6, 2015 12:15 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com mailto:d...@wyoming.com wrote: I have a customer that needs a low speed very long link. Link is 64 miles, 2200� elevation change. I�m looking at a Last Mile Gear connectorized PTP100. Reliability is definitely needed. Any other radios you guys would recommend? 900MHz is out due to noise floor.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so yes, like a licensed radio. No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better. On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed backhaul? What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few milliseconds and very constant? -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts. On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket? I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Wormholes.
On 5/4/2015 7:03 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
The short burst concept could work. In that case, longer links would
be better. How many bits(bytes) can you fit into a microsecond? At 10
miles, transit time is a little over 53 microseconds. So both ends
could start transmitting at the same time, and if they shut up at 53
microseconds, the incoming would be in the clear.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:51 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
But if I try to talk while you're talking, on the assumption that by
the time you receive my transmission you will have stopped talking
and can now listen, I have the additional problem that I can't talk
because I'm listening.
The only way I see this working is if we send in extremely short
bursts no longer than the time the bits take to fly through the air.
So we both send our tiny burst, and just as the first bits get to the
other end, we both stop xmt and switch to rcv so we can grab the
bits. Modify this to allow for OFDM cyclic prefix and delays due to
multipath reflections, etc.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
Think of the air in between as a storage device.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 5/4/2015 4:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Ubiquiti claims to have that patent pending HDD mode where it
figures out how long the bits take to fly through the air.
I think of it as similar to road construction on one lane of a two
lane road, and somehow the flagger at one end will flip his sign
from STOP to SLOW before the guy at the other end. I can't wrap my
head around how that works.
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 6:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
I have one AF5 up running FDD in the DFS band at 3.4 miles. We didn't
want to try to push an AF24 that far. RTT average is around 0.8ms, so
yes, like a licensed radio.
No idea about the AF5X, haven't bought any. But I'd guess latency would
be similar to the AF5 or 24 in half-duplex mode, which is going to be
like 4-5ms. I have only done FDD though.. because it's moar better.
On 5/4/2015 5:53 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
So I assume latency in FDD mode is sub millisecond like a licensed
backhaul?
What's is latency like on the AF5X? Similar to a PTP600, a few
milliseconds and very constant?
-Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5 vs AF5X
No FDD. Not 48 volt. Not 40+ watts.
On 5/4/2015 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Can someone point me to a concise explanation somewhere of the
difference between AF5 and AF5X? Where you would use each, and
what you give up with the X in return for smaller, cheaper, lower
power, and drop-in replacement for a Rocket?
I know it doesn't have the built-in high isolation TX and RX
antennas, and doesn't do a gig of throughput. But I'm sure
there's more to it. It's not jumping out at me on the UBNT website.
Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation
I too would like to see this. Modulation/capacity vs link lock. If I have a backup link in place, then there's no reason to hold onto the 24GHz path if it's faded out so much that the backup link has more capacity available. And I will say it again.. it would be really cool to have 24GHz FDD with a built-in 5GHz TDD backup. AF245XHDthingamajig. On 5/4/2015 3:59 PM, Shayne Lebrun wrote: AF24HD. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Macenski *Sent:* Monday, May 4, 2015 3:54 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation For which radio; AF24? On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Shayne Lebrun sleb...@muskoka.com mailto:sleb...@muskoka.com wrote: Any timeframe on that? As an aside, that response was from an email to supp...@ubnt.com mailto:supp...@ubnt.com. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck Macenski *Sent:* Monday, May 4, 2015 2:05 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation Hi, We ARE doing that for a near term release - we plan to use the capacity numbers and it works across all airFiber units. If you want feature additions for airFiber, I suggest you post them on the airFiber forum on the Ubiquiti website. Chuck On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Shayne Lebrun sleb...@muskoka.com mailto:sleb...@muskoka.com wrote: Well, here’s what Ubiquiti said when I submitted it as a feature request: Currently, we don't have any plans in doing any addition in the devices now.” *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:05 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation Right after Beam DFS LOL Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 28, 2015 10:00 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: They said it would, but it has been a while since they said it. Year or two? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Shayne Lebrun sleb...@muskoka.com mailto:sleb...@muskoka.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2015 8:51:05 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] AirFiber drop ethernet on minimum modulation Does the AirFiber have, or will it have, an option to drop the data Ethernet port if RF modulation drops below defined level, and reenable it once the RF modulation gets back above said threshold and stays there for an appropriate length of time?
[AFMUG] More APC faults
Just had to run out to a tower with a Back-UPS Pro 1500. Error code F06 which according to APC literature is 'Relay Welding'. How awesome. Next time I'm taking my shotgun. I cycled it and it came back up fine. Even unplugged and replugged and it transferred to and from battery just fine. There's 60 watts of load on the thing, so I don't see how there can be relay fusing. Unless we had a quick power blip and the thing just went stupid, which is typical for APC's. Or the full moon, who the hell knows.
Re: [AFMUG] What is a 900Mhz P5 AP unit worth?
You mean P9? You can probably buy used P9 APs for under $200 now. On 5/3/2015 7:57 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: I took one off a tower and threw it away along with the very large 900MHz sector antenna. It was disconnected and the company that put it up there is out of business. However, the tower manager thinks I should reimburse him for it. *Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �**CEO* *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040* *602-426-0542* *r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net* *www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/* ** *�There is only one way in this world to avoid criticism: do nothing, say nothing, and be nothing.� - Aristotle*
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Site Monitor question.
Uh... 169.254.1.20 is the default. On 5/3/2015 9:12 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 169.254.1.1 Daisy chain all expansion stuff. Doesn't matter otherwise. Sync needs a daisy chained cat5 cable. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On May 3, 2015 10:03 PM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net mailto:li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: I am probably overlooking some document somewhere but I can’t seem to find the info and I would like to install this tomorrow at a site. This is the first unit I have had so I am not familiar with it. Is there a default IP address to access the Sitemonitor units with so I can assign it an IP on our network? Also I want to use it to control a set syncinjectors. Does it matter what expansion IO port I plug into on the syncinjector? Will I be able to see both the sync injectors through the daisy chain 8 pin giving the second unit GPS or do I need to do a 6 pin expansion cable between the two syncinjectors? Again does the port matter? Final question can I steal power off one of the sync injectors power supplies or does this unit need its own? Thanks guys. If I can put it in tomorrow I will otherwise I can wait until the next visit in a week or so. Brandon
Re: [AFMUG] More APC faults
Hey, stop pickin on me! Screw you guys I'm going.. wait, I'm already home. On 5/3/2015 11:02 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 5/3/15 8:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote: DC dude. DC. Or at least don't pick the lowest quality AC UPS money can buy. APC hasn't exactly been known for quality in a while now. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Nanostation M5 on Canopy Dish?
KP reflector or the old ChannelMaster reflector? KP would obviously be a yes with a cradle swap. ChannelMaster = negative. If it was me, I'd swap them with ePMP Force110's. Maybe even 110PTP radios since you'll get GPS sync on those. We never ran PTP100's with sync, didn't work very well because of the auto-ranging at bootup issue. On 4/30/2015 9:54 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: Wanting to upgrade an older PTP100 BH. Does it work? :) Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: New FCC Application for Cambium Networks inc.!
I think this will be the Force 200. On 4/29/2015 2:02 PM, Paul Stewart wrote: Interesting .. thanks… *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2015 1:42 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: New FCC Application for Cambium Networks inc.! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2015 12:16:10 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: New FCC Application for Cambium Networks inc.! “You are not authorized to access this page.” *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Wednesday, April 29, 2015 1:13 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: New FCC Application for Cambium Networks inc.! https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=2598340 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Colin Stanners cstann...@gmail.com mailto:cstann...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, April 29, 2015 12:02:46 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fwd: New FCC Application for Cambium Networks inc.! Looking at the pictures it's a tiny module with gigabit and two small dipoles, so this would be the feed horn for their new force 110 PTP unit. -- Forwarded message -- From: FCCID.NET http://FCCID.NET i...@fccid.net mailto:i...@fccid.net Date: Apr 29, 2015 10:19 AM Subject: New FCC Application for Cambium Networks inc.! To: cstann...@gmail.com mailto:cstann...@gmail.com Cc: A new FCC Application has just gone through for Cambium Networks inc.! It appears to be for a Dual Channel OFDM MIMO/SISO Transceiver (TS - Digital Transmission System). Full details on this application and possible product images can be found at http://fccid.net/number.php?fcc=Z8H89FT0015id=831141 If you blog this news, please include us as a reference. :) Cheers, FCCID.NET http://FCCID.NET
Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina power
OK, RTFM. So I assume the Lumina chassis isn't referenced to ground then? That's good because I'll probably be mixing this with other +48 equipment and I was hoping not to have to use any DC-DC converters. On 4/28/2015 5:02 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 4/28/15 14:38, Josh Luthman wrote: The CFIP Lumina accepts both polarities from what I'm told. I have only ever done it one way. Page 120 in the manual. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina power
It's funny how fast we go off topic around here. :) On 4/28/2015 7:43 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: Exactly my concern. On Tuesday, April 28, 2015, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: And also didn't have a reputation for durability or long term dependability. On April 28, 2015 2:58:12 PM AKDT, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: They had considerably more experience in the field. On Tuesday, April 28, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: People bought Ubnt ToughSwitches!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Haven't they only been making switches / in the electronics business for a short amount of time? Makes me wonder about long term dependability... On Tuesday, April 28, 2015, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote: Even more so if they start shipping the DC versions. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Netonix sounds more and more badass every day. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina power
Oh, I see. So you're saying Obama is an illegal alien nazi? I knew it, makes perfect sense now! Wait, I thought his white half was Irish? O'bama, duh! OK, I'm done. Thanks for the laugh. On 4/28/2015 7:52 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Obama. Nazis. Ancient Aliens. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2015 7:50:25 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] SAF Lumina power It's funny how fast we go off topic around here. :)
Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..
The other thing that really sucks about this is the SM is almost unmanageable with the VC being so overloaded. In this condition, you can use the AP LUID proxy to get into the SM just fine, but that's not really what I care about, dropped SNMP to/from the SM is the bigger issue. I suppose you could use the AP's SNMP proxy, but then you'd have to know the LUID, which changes on reboot, and is just not optimal. I wonder if Cambium can go back to prioritizing management in a future release. My memory is foggy, but I think this was hurting HP traffic a long, long time ago. On 4/28/2015 8:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Thanks for all the information about this that everyone shared, I now know that I'm not crazy. Although it sounds like we may have this as more of a problem in the future Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: I’ve spotted exactly as George describes, torch at our border router sees way more traffic than I see at the SM or the customer’s router. I think one time I traced it to a Limelight Networks IP, but I didn’t write it down so I’m relying on memory so I could well be wrong. *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) mailto:geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2015 10:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. Yeah, it's almost always streaming video. Except the one guy I found running the download manager on his PC was doing USENET crap, probably porn, movies, music, etc. It's fairly easy to see what's going on. For instance, a customer is on 6x1 Canopy. There's 6Mbps RF downlink and 12Mbps Rx at AP's ethernet interface. This is all fine and dandy with Canopy because the AP controls the downlink traffic and doesn't put more on it than the QoS allows. Like Kurt, the first time I saw this, I was running the MT torch tool and thought the Canopy QoS was broken, too. Now, for UBNT or really anything else where the CPE does the limiting, the AP is sending all that traffic to the CPE. So now you have to resort to policing at an upstream router which I'd rather not do to keep the load off of the little MT routers. Even still, after you do that, all that extra traffic is still coming in on the backhaul, so all you've done is moved the problem, which helps relieve the AP stress, but it still sucks to have to take on double the traffic. You can move the limiting all the way to your border(s), but that extra traffic is still taking up bandwidth somewhere. On 4/27/2015 9:48 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I haven’t been following this thread closely, but has anyone identified the traffic? *From:* Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2015 8:46 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. If we could get Procera to create a signature for this type of behavior, then we could create a rule to restrict this traffic to some percentage less than 50% of the subscriber’s speed tier. This would perhaps have several desirable results: - if the CDN algorithm aims to oversubscribe the customer’s pipe by 2X, then making the pipe look 0.5X as small should counteract that - I would actually set it lower than 50%, the objective to have the customer say “XYZ service sucks” and complain to them or stop using them, rather than “my Internet sucks” - if we can pool our information about who is doing this (not just the CDN but the content provider paying them), we could complain directly to them, and if necessary take the position that blocking or throttling their traffic would be reasonable network management and allowable under net neutrality rules, since they are in effect attacking our network with a flood of traffic beyond what the customer has subscribed to Another approach would be to rate limit this traffic with a queue that has a very large buffer, introducing latency rather than packet loss, hoping that their algorithm recognizes late ACKs as a sign of congestion and will back off the sending rate. But when I asked Simon about buffer size in Procera, my understanding was that it’s more of a traffic policing box than a shaping box. *From:* Wireless Admin mailto:wirel...@htn.net *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2015 9:08 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. Ken, Your assessment of the problem is exactly correct. I was going to compare it tor DoS as you did here. I don’t see an easy fix
[AFMUG] SAF Lumina power
I thought all the SAF stuff was +48, but the CFIP Lumina FODU datasheet says -48? Is this the built-in DC-DC converter thing? I'm confused.
Re: [AFMUG] Miami Laptop Emergency
There's Tiger Direct in FL. On 4/27/2015 12:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, I checked Fry's, MicroCenter, CDW and a few other places like that and they don't have Miami area locations (if they even have Florida). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, April 27, 2015 12:11:59 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Miami Laptop Emergency I was going to suggest MicroCenter, but they don’t list any Florida stores on their website. *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2015 11:53 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Miami Laptop Emergency I don't think they carry anything one would consider business class. It appeared to be all consumer models. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix *From: *Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, April 27, 2015 11:52:55 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Miami Laptop Emergency BestBuy ? *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2015 12:40 PM *To:* Animal Farm *Subject:* [AFMUG] Miami Laptop Emergency I have a friend in Miami, leftover from the MUM. Where's a place he could buy a new laptop. Something along the lines of a Thinkpad or Latitude. Something business class. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com https://www.facebook.com/mdwestixhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchangehttps://twitter.com/mdwestix
Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..
So you'd be purposely slowing down or blocking legitimate traffic from an edge provider to the customer? Oh no, net neutrality violation! So when everyone starts with the 4k streaming and we're selling the customer 20Mbps, then we have to take on 40Mbps because of this!? On 4/26/2015 5:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I could justify declaring such traffic an attack and blocking the source as malicious. *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) mailto:geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2015 4:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. Yep, I see this all the time and Ken is exactly right. The Canopy QoS works exactly as designed, the AP is definitely not delivering more than the sustained rate, but is instead discarding the extra 50%. I've tested this situation thoroughly. Stick a MT simple queue in at the upstream router and the 2X rate traffic stops hitting the AP's ethernet interface, but it's still coming in at double the sustained rate farther upstream. There's no way around it except throwing bandwidth at it. This is CDN traffic. And when the customer thinks they can install one of those internet download managers to speed up their connection. The only thing it does is screw with TCP acks or window sizes or something which just puts more traffic on your transit just to be discarded at the congestion point (SM, queue, Procera, whatever). Gotta love it. You'd think with 70% of the internets being streaming video they'd think hmm.. maybe we can cut down on the peering congestion by NOT doing this crap. But no. On 4/26/2015 11:01 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Sorry to answer a question with a question, but are you measuring at the SM, or at some upstream router? The reason I ask, is I have seen some CDN traffic that does not seem to follow traditional TCP congestion control. It will send at twice the rate limit, causing 50% packet loss to its own traffic and everything else to that same subscriber. Evidently some TCP geniuses have decided to use latency rather than packet loss as the indicator of congestion, and that the objective is goodput not throughput. Works for last mile technologies like T1 and DSL with big buffers at the head end of the fixed speed serial connection, not so good with the type of rate limit queues we tend to use unless we can provision the queues with big buffers. Probably not your problem, but I thought I’d bring it up just in case. *From:* Kurt Fankhauser mailto:li...@wavelinc.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:50 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. I have a 450 SM that is rate limited in the SM to 1500kbps download on the sustain side. I noticed last night that this customer was pulling a steady almost 3mbps download for several hours on end. How is this possible? Is there a problem with 13.2 firmware? Its a 3.65ghz SM. see attached. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..
Yep, I see this all the time and Ken is exactly right. The Canopy QoS works exactly as designed, the AP is definitely not delivering more than the sustained rate, but is instead discarding the extra 50%. I've tested this situation thoroughly. Stick a MT simple queue in at the upstream router and the 2X rate traffic stops hitting the AP's ethernet interface, but it's still coming in at double the sustained rate farther upstream. There's no way around it except throwing bandwidth at it. This is CDN traffic. And when the customer thinks they can install one of those internet download managers to speed up their connection. The only thing it does is screw with TCP acks or window sizes or something which just puts more traffic on your transit just to be discarded at the congestion point (SM, queue, Procera, whatever). Gotta love it. You'd think with 70% of the internets being streaming video they'd think hmm.. maybe we can cut down on the peering congestion by NOT doing this crap. But no. On 4/26/2015 11:01 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Sorry to answer a question with a question, but are you measuring at the SM, or at some upstream router? The reason I ask, is I have seen some CDN traffic that does not seem to follow traditional TCP congestion control. It will send at twice the rate limit, causing 50% packet loss to its own traffic and everything else to that same subscriber. Evidently some TCP geniuses have decided to use latency rather than packet loss as the indicator of congestion, and that the objective is goodput not throughput. Works for last mile technologies like T1 and DSL with big buffers at the head end of the fixed speed serial connection, not so good with the type of rate limit queues we tend to use unless we can provision the queues with big buffers. Probably not your problem, but I thought I’d bring it up just in case. *From:* Kurt Fankhauser mailto:li...@wavelinc.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:50 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. I have a 450 SM that is rate limited in the SM to 1500kbps download on the sustain side. I noticed last night that this customer was pulling a steady almost 3mbps download for several hours on end. How is this possible? Is there a problem with 13.2 firmware? Its a 3.65ghz SM. see attached. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..
I know. I was being sarcastic. It doesn't seem fair that they do TCP congestion control in a way that doubles the traffic and we end up discarding 50% anyway, but it still fills up our pipes. Just sayin'. On 4/26/2015 8:37 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: I see that the net neutrality is going to be the next boogieman under the bed for WISP's from now on... Please, please, please, correct your understanding on Net-Neutrality... It allows for one to traffic shape any and all kinds of traffic, as long as :- a) You declare your practice on your website. b) You DONT DO IT specific to A SPECIFIC Network.. i.e. all VOIP, or all Video, or ALL Streaming.. (applying a throttle on video to netflix while allowing Hulu would be considered a violation, but applying throttle to all types of video content is NOT !) :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net *From: *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:12:13 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. So you'd be purposely slowing down or blocking legitimate traffic from an edge provider to the customer? Oh no, net neutrality violation! So when everyone starts with the 4k streaming and we're selling the customer 20Mbps, then we have to take on 40Mbps because of this!? On 4/26/2015 5:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I could justify declaring such traffic an attack and blocking the source as malicious. *From:* George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) mailto:geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2015 4:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. Yep, I see this all the time and Ken is exactly right. The Canopy QoS works exactly as designed, the AP is definitely not delivering more than the sustained rate, but is instead discarding the extra 50%. I've tested this situation thoroughly. Stick a MT simple queue in at the upstream router and the 2X rate traffic stops hitting the AP's ethernet interface, but it's still coming in at double the sustained rate farther upstream. There's no way around it except throwing bandwidth at it. This is CDN traffic. And when the customer thinks they can install one of those internet download managers to speed up their connection. The only thing it does is screw with TCP acks or window sizes or something which just puts more traffic on your transit just to be discarded at the congestion point (SM, queue, Procera, whatever). Gotta love it. You'd think with 70% of the internets being streaming video they'd think hmm.. maybe we can cut down on the peering congestion by NOT doing this crap. But no. On 4/26/2015 11:01 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Sorry to answer a question with a question, but are you measuring at the SM, or at some upstream router? The reason I ask, is I have seen some CDN traffic that does not seem to follow traditional TCP congestion control. It will send at twice the rate limit, causing 50% packet loss to its own traffic and everything else to that same subscriber. Evidently some TCP geniuses have decided to use latency rather than packet loss as the indicator of congestion, and that the objective is goodput not throughput. Works for last mile technologies like T1 and DSL with big buffers at the head end of the fixed speed serial connection, not so good with the type of rate limit queues we tend to use unless we can provision the queues with big buffers. Probably not your problem, but I thought I’d bring it up just in case. *From:* Kurt Fankhauser mailto:li...@wavelinc.com *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:50 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working.. I have a 450 SM that is rate limited in the SM to 1500kbps download on the sustain side. I noticed last night that this customer was pulling a steady almost 3mbps download for several hours on end. How is this possible? Is there a problem with 13.2 firmware? Its a 3.65ghz SM. see attached. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562
Re: [AFMUG] APC PRM-24 - cut them up??
I'd rather just give Chuck the money for his effort instead of wasting my time trying to do it myself cheaper. We also just got a couple of the WB modified PRM4 chassis's from WAV if anyone is looking for some, maybe they still have some. On 4/24/2015 12:22 PM, TJ Trout wrote: Although I must say chucks metal din clip is amazing On Apr 24, 2015 10:21 AM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com mailto:t...@voltbb.com wrote: Din clips are $1 On Apr 24, 2015 10:18 AM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com mailto:joshba...@gmail.com wrote: PRM4's are ~$15, and the MSRP for that is $70. So, I'm guessing they are ~$50 from a distributor? On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote: http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=39 On Friday, April 24, 2015, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com mailto:joshba...@gmail.com wrote: PRM4's are hard to find these days. Anybody have a secret source? On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: No, but I have used multiple PRM4’s at a site. *From:* Gino Villarini *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2015 9:44 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] APC PRM-24 - cut them up?? No, but why… they are not that expensive Gino A. Villarini President From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Friday, April 24, 2015 at 10:40 AM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] APC PRM-24 - cut them up?? Anybody cut these in half (or thirds) for when you need more than 4 and a lot less than 24 ports? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] Holy multipath
This is a 9 mile Trango ApexPlus 11GHz link from last night. Never seen it this bad. 5GHz was horrible last night too. The other end of this link says min was -85, max -31. I guess 500MHz difference in frequency changes things quite a bit.
Re: [AFMUG] Ancient BHs
As a BH, no. As an SM, yes. But P8 SMs only do 1X. So throw them in the
garbage. I have a few myself and that's where they're going.
On 4/23/2015 11:34 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
P8 can not do hardware scheduling. FPGA too small.
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part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/23/2015 9:01 AM, Dan Petermann wrote:
I have a pair of P8 BH20 radios.
Can they do HW scheduling?
Its been so long I�ve forgotten.
Re: [AFMUG] Packet flux question
The 320 and 430 have that crazy +/-/+/- PoE pinout scheme. So that's what the 320/430 SyncInjector puts out. If you had PMP100 or 450 radios plugged into that, I would think the overcurrent protection in the injector would've kicked in, but who knows. If you try to power them up with a regular AC/DC Canopy PoE, does the power LED light up on them? I'm betting not and they'll have to be repaired. On 4/23/2015 8:03 PM, Craig House wrote: So we accidentally put sync injectors on to a din rail today that were for the 320/430 radios. Oops Both of the injectors were powered by a 24 V 10 amp power supply All of the radios that were plugged into those injectors no longer appear to boot up which wouldn't surprise me if there had been a 56 V power supply or 48 V power supply powering them. However since they were powered by a 24 V power supply how could that have damaged the radios? Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] Packet flux question
I'm not the one to ask on this, but I'd think if you put the wrong power polarity (or the screwy twisted pair power) into a 100 or 450 radio, my thinking is the ethernet/PoE transformer in the radios might be damaged. But again, this probably should've been seen as a short or over-current by the SyncInjector and the port power should've tripped, possibly saving the radios. But you never know until you check them out. Good luck. I hope it wasn't a total loss. On 4/23/2015 8:56 PM, Craig House wrote: I haven't taken them off the tower yet. Brand new tower. AP's havent been even used yet. I am taking them down tomorrow and checking them out. But the LED on the power supply stays on. I did try that today. I just dont know if they radios actually power up and have bad ethernet ports or if they are completely dead. Either way its a 200' climb to replace radios that have never even been in use and likely never will be. Oh well I guess it is supposed to be a nice day. I would rather be at 200' than anywhere else anyway.. Craig - Original Message - From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 8:11:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packet flux question The 320 and 430 have that crazy +/-/+/- PoE pinout scheme. So that's what the 320/430 SyncInjector puts out. If you had PMP100 or 450 radios plugged into that, I would think the overcurrent protection in the injector would've kicked in, but who knows. If you try to power them up with a regular AC/DC Canopy PoE, does the power LED light up on them? I'm betting not and they'll have to be repaired. On 4/23/2015 8:03 PM, Craig House wrote: So we accidentally put sync injectors on to a din rail today that were for the 320/430 radios. Oops Both of the injectors were powered by a 24 V 10 amp power supply All of the radios that were plugged into those injectors no longer appear to boot up which wouldn't surprise me if there had been a 56 V power supply or 48 V power supply powering them. However since they were powered by a 24 V power supply how could that have damaged the radios? Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP 2.4.2-RC7
So they're going to allow the PTP radio to be used as a Lite AP? Good idea. On 4/21/2015 10:19 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: I really hope so, that would be awesome! well, it's already awesome, but that would be even more so. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: OH SNAP! I wonder if we can do the software upgrade to 10 radios! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:14 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed that there's a new ePMP beta release with the following note: Release 2.4.2 enables GPS Synchronization capability and support for up to 10 SMs on *Force 110 PTP *radios I think I need to go order some more of these...
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Red Triangle !
What are you asking? 20dBm Tx power is the highest it was certified for because of the OOBE stuff, IIRC. And 14dBm for DFS. The 450 is better for DFS deployments since you can run max allowed EIRP with an omni. I have a few extremely small micro-POPs with 450APs and KP omnis in industrial parks. And one ePMP POP with a KP omni in a residential neighborhood. They all work well, obviously mostly because of the extremely low noise floor. On 4/21/2015 4:53 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: Unit is set to 5160. TX power = 20. Antenna Gain = 13. That raises a good question. Are we not supposed to be able to use 5.8 numbers for PMP and PTP in 5.1? I.E. 5150-5250 = 36 for non PTP AP. 53 for other modes. (taken from ePMP user manual) Adam *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *can...@believewireless.net *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 10:12 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Red Triangle ! Take a look at the Notifications tab and it should tell you what the problem is. A lot of times it may be that you have the power set to high for the frequency or antenna. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Jerry Head li...@blountbroadband.com mailto:li...@blountbroadband.com wrote: Usually when you get the red triangle there is a setting somewhere that the radio does not like. Take a look at the network page again and look for errors. On 4/21/2015 10:33 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote: Rebooted a couple of times� *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, April 21, 2015 8:14 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Red Triangle ! Did you do a firmware upgrade and forget to reboot? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:07 AM, SmarterBroadband li...@smarterbroadband.com mailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com wrote: On a ePMP running 2.4 software set as an AP (One customer CPE connected) both radios installed yesterday. On the AP we have a red triangle with an exclamation mark in it on the Network tab in configuration. The radio will not let us save changes now, save button grayed out. Radio is operational and passing traffic. Just want to set MIR profile in AP�. Any ideas what can cause this? Hoping not to have to go to site and reset to factory defaults. Thanks Adam
Re: [AFMUG] How does this compare to Chuck's solution WBMFG ?
Yep, that's what I'm talking about. Get all of your gear on a common power source (like a DIN rail DC supply, or a DC-UPS) and fuse each PoE injector's DC input. We've had situations in the past where regular old brick supplies would still deliver current while the SS puts it all into ground, and things smoke, melt, etc. I use Buss fast-acting fuses rated for 2X the radio's load. They will pop as soon as the SS trips and sends the surge to ground, which prevents things from burning up. Note that I do not run a main fuse (between power supply and fuse block rail). Haven't had any problems with that. Just trying to prevent the problem where everything goes down because the main blows. I could put like a 20A fuse or breaker there, but it probably wouldn't do any good anyway. On 4/20/2015 2:55 PM, Paul McCall wrote: DC and fuses? Explain please. We have everything fused in a fuse block on 24v, but this goes in between the POE device and the APs *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2015 3:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] How does this compare to Chuck's solution WBMFG ? We've used a LOT of L-com/Hyperlink suppressors. Most of them did their job, others did not. And they're expensive. WB cards are cheaper. And they also seem to react to surges much faster. I believe they are superior, IMO. By far the best thing we've done is DC and fuses. On 4/20/2015 2:34 PM, Paul McCall wrote: We have had good luck so far with Chuck�s but we haven�t been through a lightning season yet on WBMFG�s rack mounted protectors.� � My logistics guy wanted me to look at these and give an opinion in comparison � http://www.l-com.com/surge-protector-indoor-din-mount-10-100-base-t-shielded-cat5e-lightning-surge-protector � Paul � Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net �
Re: [AFMUG] How does this compare to Chuck's solution WBMFG ?
We've used a LOT of L-com/Hyperlink suppressors. Most of them did their job, others did not. And they're expensive. WB cards are cheaper. And they also seem to react to surges much faster. I believe they are superior, IMO. By far the best thing we've done is DC and fuses. On 4/20/2015 2:34 PM, Paul McCall wrote: We have had good luck so far with Chuck�s but we haven�t been through a lightning season yet on WBMFG�s rack mounted protectors. My logistics guy wanted me to look at these and give an opinion in comparison http://www.l-com.com/surge-protector-indoor-din-mount-10-100-base-t-shielded-cat5e-lightning-surge-protector Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post..
I don't care how many QAMs your radio can do, if you don't have the SNR, you don't get the bandwidth. We replaced some UBNT 3.65 sectors with the 3.6 450. Obviously the 450 won. Nearly the same signal and noise levels. I don't know what it is about the UBNT 3.65, but it just sucks. Yep, the 450 is expensive, but it works. On 4/19/2015 7:32 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: That's fine. The less usable spectrum you have, the more you need to optimize what you have. The more middle of nowhere it doesn't matter what you do. the more you have neighbors, the more you have to plan more carefully and use better gear. You know I operate in the Chicago metro area. You know I have a dozen WISP competitors (last time I counted), not to mention the same private users that you mention. I know a busy airspace. I don't put as much into Jim's findings regarding the ePMP as you. 802.11ac is 33% - 38% more efficient than N. The ePMP still isn't a great performer in Jim's charts, but it gets a heck of a lot closer. Now put two of the PtMP platforms tested on the same tower and see who wins. Two of them back to back and ePMP is still only using 20 MHz, while the others are using 40 because they can't be using the same frequency back to back. It'd be interesting to see how the 450 stacks up. I'm not likely to deploy 450, but would like to see how it compares. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, April 19, 2015 1:49:46 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. Except those competitors don't sync with you, and it's very often that our clients don't actually have the strongest signal to our tower, but somebody else's. Many of our clients see 15-20 APs, and many more are hidden because they are 30 or 40MHz wide channels. There are environments much, much worse than ours. GPS sync is good *in certain environments, in certain situations*, but it is not this mythical magic bullet that allows you to be a lazy operator. Also, by the results today, the only real viable solution on the market at this time that does have GPS sync in a PtMP configuration does piss poor in adjacent channel interference environments, which is exactly the type of environment I'm in. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/18/2015 08:11 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: The more competitors, the *MORE* you need sync. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *af@afmug.com, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 18, 2015 8:51:00 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Very interesting post.. AF absolutely has sync? As far as AirMaxAC, sure, no sync.. At this time. In the end though, there are a lot of operators that simply don't care about sync. Eventually in many markets it will come to a point when you simply run out of clean frequency, ie: using one or two or three per tower won't cut it, due to competitors, cell offload, etc. In that scenario where GPS sync is virtually useless (because you're picking the best freq per direction), its pretty obvious that there are a few radios that would currently excel in that scenario. There are many places where we are, for instance, where multiple competitors, city and state links, federal, etc have towers less than a mile from us. Having the ability to shrug off that adjacent and co channel noise is critical for us. On April 18, 2015 4:52:38 PM AKDT, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: This test ignores a few kind of important details... the UBNT and Mikrotik AC radios have no ability to sync, which gives them a significant disadvantage. also, the Mimosa radios are (theoretically) capable of higher throughput since they are the only ones with the ability to use two 80mhz channels... granted, it's pretty rare that is actually possible in the real world, but if you had synced Mimosas everywhere, it could be done. He's also using a $499 ePMP radio, when he should be using a $200 Force110 PTP. That said, the conclusion the the AF5x is the best is probably right :P On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Gigabit SyncInjector for 24 Volt Cambium Radios - Ubnt too?
pinout is 1/2 4/5 positive and 3/6 7/8 negative. Airmax stuff is all 4/5 positive and 7/8 negative, I imagine the 10/100 stuff would work fine with the power pairs swapped, but I don't know what that would do to gigabit. I don't think it's going to work with AF5x, since they use power on all four pairs. On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I didn't check...sorry. It's on the roof so I can go up and look tomorrow. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:14 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: No pinout!? On 4/16/2015 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It says 24v/1a and is gigabit. It is a bit different than the Nanobeam POEs. It also doesn't work with an NSM5 for certain. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:39 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: What does the AF5x power supply say on the label for pairs or pinouts? Or is it the same as their other 24V/1A supplies, but gigabit? On 4/16/2015 5:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm mostly concerned with the Ubnt Airmax stuff (24v) and AF5x. Obviously the ePMP works. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:12 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: AFAIK, the 450AP GigE interface is still powered only on pins 4, 5, 7 8. Probably applies to the ePMP Sync radio too. So, with that in mind.. does the UBNT GigE PoE stuff use all 4 pairs for power? If it's 4, 5, 7 8, it may be possible, but... you'd have to flip the blues and browns at one end. I don't know what that would do for the GigE data interface though. It might not work. You can use a 568B to 568A (aka standard cross-over) cable and GigE still works fine, but I'm not sure about crossed blues and browns. Someone smarter than me would probably have to give you a thumbs up or down. On 4/16/2015 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone tried these syncinjectors for Ubnt Airmax radios? What about anything else? I'd love to use this one product for all sites from now
Re: [AFMUG] External POE.
I haven't tried it on any Trango ODUs yet. But I did ask Chuck about it. The jack shields and the grounding strip is not tied to the negative input. So in theory, you should be able to put the +48/0V to the + input and -48 to the - input, then set all of the jumpers to -. Take your drain wire coming from the ODU/OMU and stick it in the + input terminal. Unless I'm missing something, which is entire possible. On 4/17/2015 8:06 PM, Jeremy wrote: Actually, I take that back about the Trango BHs. I forgot I ended up running fiber and direct DC to the Trangos. I have their rackmount -48v power supply (Duracomm rebranded I think). I was going to put positive on every pin but there was no way for negative to be isolated in my PRM24 rackmount APC surge deal. On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Details on trango.. Cause its –48 with pos on shield Gino A. Villarini President From: Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Friday, April 17, 2015 at 11:05 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] External POE. +1! I use them on every site that we have. I have powered AF, AF5X, Trango licensed BHs, Gigabit Nanobeams, non-GB UBNT radios, cameras, you name it! My favorite part about these is when I upgrade a radio from 10/100 to Gb all I have to do is add a jumper. The boxes we build are modular, and can be changed, upgraded, and expanded with very little work. On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Yes. -Original Message- From: Matt Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 8:51 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] External POE. Tested with SAF? On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 9:41 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: So far, these have powered every device they have been called upon to do if it is GigE circuit. Or a circuit with 802.1af type of wiring. http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=77Cat= http://www.wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=68Cat= From: Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 5:42 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Gigabit SyncInjector for 24 Volt Cambium Radios - Ubnt too? If I remember right, the AF5x pinout is 1/2 4/5 positive and 3/6 7/8 negative. Airmax stuff is all 4/5 positive and 7/8 negative, I imagine the 10/100 stuff would work fine with the power pairs swapped, but I don't know what that would do to gigabit. I don't think it's going to work with AF5x, since they use power on all four pairs. On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I didn't check...sorry. It's on the roof so I can go up and look tomorrow. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 7:14 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: No pinout!? On 4/16/2015 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It says 24v/1a and is gigabit. It is a bit different than the Nanobeam POEs. It also doesn't work with an NSM5 for certain. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:39 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: What does the AF5x power supply say on the label for pairs or pinouts? Or is it the same as their other 24V/1A supplies, but gigabit? On 4/16/2015 5:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm mostly concerned with the Ubnt Airmax stuff (24v) and AF5x. Obviously the ePMP works. Josh Luthman
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium System Release 13.4 Beta - Now Available!
I thought it was the same image as the 450 now?
On 4/17/2015 7:18 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I found and downloaded the PMP100 and PMP450 versions. However, I
can't seem to locate the PMP430 version.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/17/2015 6:32 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
We just posted the latest Beta software for both PMP 450 and PMP 100!
If you’ve had any issues with recent releases, we’d strongly
encourage you to try this Beta out. As always, please read the
release notes.
Snapshot of new features:
·Frame Utilization (PMP450 Only)
·Security Banner
·RADIUS CoA Support
·RADIUS VSA for Zero Touch
·Feature Request: OIDs for running Link Test from the SM
·Allow Extrapolated Link Test
·Display the time and date that the last link cap test was run
This software also adds a LOT of new features to the PMP 100
platform, so try it out.
https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/pmp450/beta
We will be monitoring, tracking and solving issues through our forum
here. We’ll also be posting new feature descriptions here throughout
the day.
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Beta/bd-p/forums_pmp_beta
Try it out and let us know how it goes!
Matt
Re: [AFMUG] SCADA tower
Yes, that's how Rohn says to do it. And no, you do not have to use a
concrete base section, a standard mid section is perfectly acceptable to
place in the concrete.
On 4/17/2015 6:56 PM, Caleb Knauer wrote:
So the base sticks down below the concrete at the bottom and sits in
the gravel so it can drain out?
On Thursday, April 16, 2015, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Plenty of gravel at base of pit. 4000 psi concrete mix for this
area. Lots of caliche in area. Rebar cage. Not touching tower
...Dottie taped tower bottom section in concrete. ..did I miss
anything?
Jaime Solorza
On Apr 16, 2015 2:17 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com'); wrote:
Probably works just fine as long as the bottom drain is set up
properly. However, you're kinda screwed if something damages
that base section.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/16/2015 12:12 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
That’s what it looks like to me too.
*From:* Bill Prince
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','part15...@gmail.com');
*Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2015 1:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SCADA tower
That looks like a regular 10' section with the bottom half in
the concrete (JMO)...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/16/2015 11:43 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Is that an official base section or just a regular section?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','losguyswirel...@gmail.com');
*Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2015 12:23 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
*Subject:* [AFMUG] SCADA tower
Two bases done. 6 mast supports done.Weather might
slow us down. Oh well
Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Gigabit SyncInjector for 24 Volt Cambium Radios - Ubnt too?
AFAIK, the 450AP GigE interface is still powered only on pins 4, 5, 7 8. Probably applies to the ePMP Sync radio too. So, with that in mind.. does the UBNT GigE PoE stuff use all 4 pairs for power? If it's 4, 5, 7 8, it may be possible, but... you'd have to flip the blues and browns at one end. I don't know what that would do for the GigE data interface though. It might not work. You can use a 568B to 568A (aka standard cross-over) cable and GigE still works fine, but I'm not sure about crossed blues and browns. Someone smarter than me would probably have to give you a thumbs up or down. On 4/16/2015 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone tried these syncinjectors for Ubnt Airmax radios? What about anything else? I'd love to use this one product for all sites from now on. Is it possible to run the AF5x? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Gigabit SyncInjector for 24 Volt Cambium Radios - Ubnt too?
No pinout!? On 4/16/2015 6:10 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: It says 24v/1a and is gigabit. It is a bit different than the Nanobeam POEs. It also doesn't work with an NSM5 for certain. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:39 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: What does the AF5x power supply say on the label for pairs or pinouts? Or is it the same as their other 24V/1A supplies, but gigabit? On 4/16/2015 5:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm mostly concerned with the Ubnt Airmax stuff (24v) and AF5x. Obviously the ePMP works. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:12 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: AFAIK, the 450AP GigE interface is still powered only on pins 4, 5, 7 8. Probably applies to the ePMP Sync radio too. So, with that in mind.. does the UBNT GigE PoE stuff use all 4 pairs for power? If it's 4, 5, 7 8, it may be possible, but... you'd have to flip the blues and browns at one end. I don't know what that would do for the GigE data interface though. It might not work. You can use a 568B to 568A (aka standard cross-over) cable and GigE still works fine, but I'm not sure about crossed blues and browns. Someone smarter than me would probably have to give you a thumbs up or down. On 4/16/2015 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone tried these syncinjectors for Ubnt Airmax radios? What about anything else? I'd love to use this one product for all sites from now on. Is it possible to run the AF5x? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Gigabit SyncInjector for 24 Volt Cambium Radios - Ubnt too?
What does the AF5x power supply say on the label for pairs or pinouts? Or is it the same as their other 24V/1A supplies, but gigabit? On 4/16/2015 5:29 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm mostly concerned with the Ubnt Airmax stuff (24v) and AF5x. Obviously the ePMP works. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 6:12 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: AFAIK, the 450AP GigE interface is still powered only on pins 4, 5, 7 8. Probably applies to the ePMP Sync radio too. So, with that in mind.. does the UBNT GigE PoE stuff use all 4 pairs for power? If it's 4, 5, 7 8, it may be possible, but... you'd have to flip the blues and browns at one end. I don't know what that would do for the GigE data interface though. It might not work. You can use a 568B to 568A (aka standard cross-over) cable and GigE still works fine, but I'm not sure about crossed blues and browns. Someone smarter than me would probably have to give you a thumbs up or down. On 4/16/2015 4:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Has anyone tried these syncinjectors for Ubnt Airmax radios? What about anything else? I'd love to use this one product for all sites from now on. Is it possible to run the AF5x? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Gigabit SyncInjector for 24 Volt Cambium Radios - Ubnt too?
You said maxipad. On 4/16/2015 5:25 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: Sorry - read that wrong. The gigabit power injector works fine, I don't know about the syncinjector. Bah... Loconanogigasyncinjecotorairmaxipad. Mark Radabaugh Amplex 27800 Lemoyne, Ste F Millbury, OH 43447 419-261-5996 On Apr 16, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Has anyone tried these syncinjectors for Ubnt Airmax radios? What about anything else? I'd love to use this one product for all sites from now on. Is it possible to run the AF5x? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Providing public routed IPs to customers
I agree, I don't want to burn a /30 for every business that wants a block. I do a /26 at the tower, then route a /29 or whatever to the customer. We can give them a backup link, even to another core router, and set route metrics, gateway checks, etc. appropriately. Or hell, use OSPF or BGP if we really need to, but most of the time it isn't necessary. On 4/14/2015 8:05 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Back in the day (2+ years ago), we did a /27 to each tower and then statically assigned an IP from that block to each customer. Then we knew exactly which customer had what IP address (tracking, throttling, disabling, subpoenas, etc) and it made it simple on the customer router for configuration. Travis On 4/14/2015 6:41 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Yeah, we want to drop an ip off right at the customer router, but we also don't want to add a layer of NAT to them, nor track the damn macs of all of these customers. Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 04/14/2015 04:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: PPPoE to NATed CPE for most. Some are static IP directly on non-consumer routers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *af@afmug.com, WISPA General List wirel...@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:20:34 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Providing public routed IPs to customers For those of you currently providing public/routed ips to customers? What is your topology like and delivery method? Looking at doing a few things, have considered a few options, and wanted to look out there and see what other people are doing. Thanks -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com
[AFMUG] ePMP 2.4.1 SIP helper
I updated a sector and a couple SMs yesterday to 2.4.1. Then this morning one of the customers says their VoIP is completely broken, couldn't get calls in or out. Their phones all talk to a hosted PBX on our side. My VoIP guy was investigating and found that the new SIP NAT Helper in the SM was the problem. He shut it off and it fixed everything. So why the hell is a SIP *NAT* helper doing anything when the SM is in *BRIDGE* mode? Splain me that, Cambium.
Re: [AFMUG] HiHo off to work I go
I knew I'd still be here... On 4/13/2015 12:56 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: The rapture has started. Hold on where is everyone hello – hello... *From:* Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2015 11:45 AM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] HiHo off to work I go Boo. Not the sun.Dont ask. It flew into shot of clouds at Guadalupe Pass. Jaime Solorza On Apr 13, 2015 10:40 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Texas through New Mexico back to Texas. Shortest route Jaime Solorza On Apr 13, 2015 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Yeppers. Wind and rain so far Jaime Solorza On Apr 13, 2015 9:09 AM, Lewis Bergman lewis.berg...@gmail.com mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com wrote: That Borger is East just shows that you ae about to fall off the West end of Texas. On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Head east young man..going to Borger Texas to install 7 SCADA links. Wish me luck Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 Cabling
Mounted on Cambium's (Laird OEM) antennas? They sell LMR-240 jumpers that are the correct length (16). On 4/13/2015 5:14 PM, Gilbert Gutierrez wrote: I usually use LMR400 for the short run between my radio and sector. What do others use for cabling between the radio and the sector? Maybe LMR195. The jumpers I use are 1M in length and I was thinking something a bit lighter and flexible would work better. Gilbert
Re: [AFMUG] APC Cold Temperature Shutoff
I think it's F07. On 4/13/2015 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Does anyone have handy what the error code is that the APC's throw on the screen when they cold alarm? A quick search of my archives didn't help. I know it's in there somewhere, my search terms just suck. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Cheap Small Cold Friendly UPS
For something that small, I would get a Mean Well AD-55A (12VDC/50W) or the 55B if your stuff will handle the 27V float voltage. The last ones we bought were like $25 each, from Powergate, IIRC. Cheaper and more reliable than a crappy little APC UPS. On 4/11/2015 11:47 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Is the cold-shutoff a feature of the pro line? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Saturday, April 11, 2015 11:45:44 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cheap Small Cold Friendly UPS APC BK500. Replace the battery every 3 years, don’t wait for it to go bad. *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2015 11:24 AM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheap Small Cold Friendly UPS I'm looking for a cheap, small, cold friendly UPS. Basically, an APC Back-UPS before they put in the cold temp cut-out. Something to power an RB260GSP with a couple PoE powered devices (camera, WiFi AP, etc.) off of it for a couple hours. We're talking a 20 watt load at max, so a dedicated DC plant like one would do for a tower would be overkill. Recommendations? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] our shiny new website
Geez, what a jerk! :) I'll turn the other cheek and say Gino's site is pretty good. I don't like our site, but it's better than what we had before. On 4/10/2015 2:53 PM, Ty Featherling wrote: I appreciate your honesty! hahahaha -Ty On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Ugly Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Apr 10, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com mailto:tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: After hiring a new guy for tech support that turns out to be quite savvy at web-design, we turned him loose on our crappy website. We have been live with the new one for about a week and I am very pleased with it. Please check it out and let me know if you see anything of concern. www.zeecon.com http://www.zeecon.com -Ty
Re: [AFMUG] our shiny new website
No, in PR where even their fiber has interference. :) On 4/10/2015 7:46 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 15x6, is the server in a third world country or something? =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: See attached screenshot, wrong website? *From:* Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2015 4:55 PM *To:* mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] our shiny new website Out speedtest in the website? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Apr 10, 2015, at 4:30 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Hey Gino, what’s with that speed test on yours? That’s totally fake, right? Even if it worked, people in my area are so stupid, they’d say “Why should I switch to your service, I tried the speed test at your website and it’s the same speed as what I have now”. *From:* Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com *Sent:* Friday, April 10, 2015 2:52 PM *To:* mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] our shiny new website Ugly Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Apr 10, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Ty Featherling tyfeatherl...@gmail.com mailto:tyfeatherl...@gmail.com wrote: After hiring a new guy for tech support that turns out to be quite savvy at web-design, we turned him loose on our crappy website. We have been live with the new one for about a week and I am very pleased with it. Please check it out and let me know if you see anything of concern. www.zeecon.com http://www.zeecon.com -Ty
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
Yep, sounds like there's something messed up with the remote voltage control. Hard to tell if it's the PS or the BCM, unless you have another set. On 4/9/2015 11:12 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote: When I cut off AC power it switches over to battery just fine. It's just the power supply control that appears to be broken, everything else seems to work. I followed the instructions line for line when I got it and it didn't appear to work properly then either, so I think I just got a bad unit. Should still be under warranty so, I'll see about getting an RMA for it and thanks for the additional information, all very good information to keep in mind.
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
Did you reconnect the battery? It senses the battery, so it might not do anything if the battery isn't connected. With the battery connected, do you see any current going into it? Also, with the battery connected, disconnect the AC from the power supply. Do you hear the relay click in the BCM? On 4/9/2015 9:58 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote: Just tried that and the POT still does nothing. Now it just sits at 27.6v constantly.
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
22-23 volts I think is the bottom of the adjustment range on the TSP power supply. At least you know the remote cable is working because the BCM can shut down the power supply. Try disconnecting the remote cable and adjust the pot on the power supply up to 27.6 volts. Power off, then reconnect the remote cable and power back up. It was quite a while ago, but I think that's the same problem I had on the BCM48. If the PS is turned all the way down, it sorta acts like a limiter, so the BCM can't say hey, I need all your volts! On 4/9/2015 9:29 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote: Looks like I have a bad BCM maybe. I disconnected the battery and the temp sensor and left the remote wire connected. I adjusted the pot on the BCM, and it does nothing at all. The remote wire is definitely connected correctly, if I turn off the BCM it turns off the power supply, turn it back on, and after a few seconds it turns the power supply back on.
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
You can use the BCM without a Traco power supply, or in this case without the remote cable. Set your PS output voltage to your desired float voltage and it works like any other battery/UPS module. The only kicker is obviously the temp compensation doesn't work without the remote voltage control. On 4/9/2015 3:00 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote: Which I don't :P Oh well. I have other chargers that I can use to bring the batteries up and keep them conditioned with. A really nice ICT unit in fact. :)
Re: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters
Right. Some cheap stuff will complain about voltage. Other, more
expensive stuff, will complain about the waveform too. So get a good
inverter generator and not worry about it.
On 4/8/2015 10:36 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
I think he was saying that both the voltage and the frequency are
stable with a quality inverter design. Easier to do with a good
inverter than an AC generator.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 7:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Sine wave would be 60 hz. Not the voltage.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 8, 2015 10:35 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
I want to say the Honda's and Yamaha's use a pure since wave
inverter. Our Yamaha is definitely stable, ~120-122 volts solid.
Even UPS's set to high sensitivity don't complain. It is worth
the extra couple hundred $ for a good inverter generator.
On 4/8/2015 9:13 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
The difference between an inverter and a non inverter generator
is that the non inverter models typically use an ac generator
which directly produces ac power. This requires the motor to be
running at the correct rpm to get the proper ac frequency. In
addition, they tend to be susceptible to sags and surges because
the motor itself has to be throttled up or down based on load.
The inverter units usually use a dc generator tied to an ac
inverter. This solves the problems described above but then
you're at the mercy of the quality of the inverter, which can
vary greatly.
On Apr 8, 2015 6:40 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
So for example this:
http://www.autozone.com/power-tools/portable-generator/power-pro-1000-watt-generator-no-return-on-used-generator-/290845_0_0/
It has a 120v outlet but doesn't have an inverter. How is
that possible?
This is $320 and says inverter:
http://www.autozone.com/power-tools/portable-generator/generac-portable-inverter-generator/568401_0_0/
The big ones I have definitely work on the big APCs
(1500-2200va). I bought them in 2008? so I don't have the
specs anymore.
The site's I'd be most likely to use it would be going into
a Meanwell rectifier.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Glen Waldrop
gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
I'm not sure how picky your hardware is, but most
inverters and generators don't put out a full sine wave.
Battery backups tend to trip constantly, but my
equipment seems to handle it fine.
Full sine wave generators tend to cost a little bit more.
- Original Message -
*From:* Josh Luthman
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 7:21 PM
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters
Can anyone share what kind of generators they're
using? I'm looking for something that's smaller for
one person to carry. I don't need anything big,
maybe 250 watt load at the most. Looking online I
see $600 minimum. I'd be using this at smaller
sites that don't already have a big 24 hour
generator already so portability would be the most
important feature.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
Oops, hit send too soon. Reason I ask about the relay in the BCM is I've accidentally shorted the output before (long story) and the relay seemed to be stuck. I smacked it and power-cycled a couple times and it was fixed. Fuses, dummy! Facepalm. On 4/9/2015 10:05 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote: Did you reconnect the battery? It senses the battery, so it might not do anything if the battery isn't connected. With the battery connected, do you see any current going into it? Also, with the battery connected, disconnect the AC from the power supply. Do you hear the relay click in the BCM? On 4/9/2015 9:58 AM, Christopher Tyler wrote: Just tried that and the POT still does nothing. Now it just sits at 27.6v constantly.
Re: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters
I want to say the Honda's and Yamaha's use a pure since wave inverter. Our Yamaha is definitely stable, ~120-122 volts solid. Even UPS's set to high sensitivity don't complain. It is worth the extra couple hundred $ for a good inverter generator. On 4/8/2015 9:13 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: The difference between an inverter and a non inverter generator is that the non inverter models typically use an ac generator which directly produces ac power. This requires the motor to be running at the correct rpm to get the proper ac frequency. In addition, they tend to be susceptible to sags and surges because the motor itself has to be throttled up or down based on load. The inverter units usually use a dc generator tied to an ac inverter. This solves the problems described above but then you're at the mercy of the quality of the inverter, which can vary greatly. On Apr 8, 2015 6:40 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So for example this: http://www.autozone.com/power-tools/portable-generator/power-pro-1000-watt-generator-no-return-on-used-generator-/290845_0_0/ It has a 120v outlet but doesn't have an inverter. How is that possible? This is $320 and says inverter: http://www.autozone.com/power-tools/portable-generator/generac-portable-inverter-generator/568401_0_0/ The big ones I have definitely work on the big APCs (1500-2200va). I bought them in 2008? so I don't have the specs anymore. The site's I'd be most likely to use it would be going into a Meanwell rectifier. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: I'm not sure how picky your hardware is, but most inverters and generators don't put out a full sine wave. Battery backups tend to trip constantly, but my equipment seems to handle it fine. Full sine wave generators tend to cost a little bit more. - Original Message - *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2015 7:21 PM *Subject:* [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters Can anyone share what kind of generators they're using? I'm looking for something that's smaller for one person to carry. I don't need anything big, maybe 250 watt load at the most. Looking online I see $600 minimum. I'd be using this at smaller sites that don't already have a big 24 hour generator already so portability would be the most important feature. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
If the temp comp probe isn't connected, it assumes 25C/77F, IIRC. I
would definitely not run it without the temp probe unless this is in a
NOC or controlled shelter type environment.
There's a jumper that controls the battery type in use. Gel for gel, SLA
for VRLA, AGM, etc. That also does something with the LVD, but I don't
remember what. The temp compensation also has an effect on the LVD. It's
all microprocessor controlled.
With the remote cable connected and batteries + temp sensor
disconnected, adjust the pot on the BCM (not the power supply) for your
desired float voltage with a meter on the battery terminals. I usually
set it to 27.6. Do not touch that potentiometer with the sensor,
batteries or load connected.
Power everything off then connect the temp probe and batteries. Power it
back up. Like Ken said, the BCM adjusts the TSP power supply output
voltage. Check battery output voltage at the BCM, look at your shunt
reading or clamp-on ammeter, etc. You should see 1 amp (that's the BCM
current limit) if the batteries are 90% or so.
The LVD will cut off at 1.83 volt per cell for SLA. The BATT-OK contact
will open slightly before the LVD kicks in as an early warning (awesome
feature). So 22V for the BCM24 and 44V for the BCM48. That is very, very
conservative if you ask me, especially for a UPS. The batteries are not
being cycled daily like solar. AGMs can be taken down very deep in a
typical UPS situation and not sustain any damage or loss of capacity.
Again, this is not solar.
The Mean Well AD-155 LVD is much lower. Like 19.5V for the 155B, IIRC.
Fine with me since I put those at smaller sites with smaller batteries,
and they're cheap batteries, so if it ruins them, oh well, replace.
On 4/8/2015 5:54 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
With the Traco setup, the BCM controls the power supply voltage to be
what is needed to charge the batteries. The loads get that same
voltage, so the output will be 27 or 28 volts not 24.
Is there a possibility the battery remote temperature probe is not
connected correctly or is bad? I don't know what happens if that is
open. Some chargers will assume 27*C if the probe is missing, I don't
know what Traco does.
-Original Message- From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect
I've never used this setup, but with the chargers/controllers I've used,
the output of the power supply has to be greater than 24V. In fact,
doesn't the output of the power supply have to be at least 28 or 28.5
volts? This would allow the battery controller to modulate the output to
the batteries, whether it be bulk, absorption, or float?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/8/2015 1:27 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote:
Attached is a picture of the setup as it is now. 24 supply and 24v
loads, everything feeds through the Meanwell regulator.
I followed the instructions from Traco, but as you can see the
battery is currently at about 23v and that is what the Traco power
supply is outputting. The instructions say to turn the power supply
all the way down and to let the BCM control the output. It's all set
up, jumper is in position 1, the feedback cable is connected between
the PS and the BCM but the BCM doesn't appear to be telling the power
supply to do anything except turn on.
Anyone with some experience with Traco care to tell me what I'm doing
wrong. It's worked like this since day one, the BCM doesn't appear to
be doing anything regardless of the battery voltage.
[AFMUG] Chicago weather Thursday
Late tonight, tomorrow and tomorrow evening looks awesome. Hail in excess of an inch, winds 60MPH and tornadoes possible. Just had a pretty heavy band come though and knock a 4.5 mile 11GHz link down 20dB, but when you have a -40 RSSI, it's no so bad. :) Then there's AF24's, link wiped out for 10 minutes. Rain is good, except for knocking links out, but hail, lightning and tornadoes is *not* cool, WTF God. I already feel this is going to be a bad summer.
Re: [AFMUG] Smaller generators with inverters
Yamaha EF1000iS converted to propane by US Carburetion. Bought that like 3 years ago. It was pricey at $1200, but one of the best investments we've made. I've had it running at a tower for three days non-stop on a single 20# grill tank before. With the econo mode on, it goes into low-speed after the UPS is recharged, works great and saves a lot of fuel. I think the regulator on it will do NG too. http://www.yamaha-propane-natural-gas-generators.com/ On 4/8/2015 7:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Can anyone share what kind of generators they're using? I'm looking for something that's smaller for one person to carry. I don't need anything big, maybe 250 watt load at the most. Looking online I see $600 minimum. I'd be using this at smaller sites that don't already have a big 24 hour generator already so portability would be the most important feature. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Ha, Ken you crack me up almost every day. I love it. On 4/7/2015 9:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: They refer to him as Adama. As in Commander Adama from Battlestar Galactica? *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, April 07, 2015 9:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/31rbir/goodbye_observium/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 7, 2015 1:56 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: And it is pretty good stuff too. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 11:55 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS In related news, PRTG apparently is now free up to 100 sensors. -Original Message- From: Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 12:49 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS So this guy doesn't realize that by complaining about a customer base he clearly doesn't want, that he effects the opinion of folks who already own his product or might be looking at his product? Given his public bitching about a certain market share that he clearly doesn't understand anything about, I will not be providing him *anymore* business - that's for sure! Why would I want to associate myself with an immature, unprofessional, little kid ? -p -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Observium Connoisseur Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2015 1:43 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's making more friends over at the UBNT forum. Its an EPIC meltdown. The guy has just literally lost his marbles. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/The-Lounge/AFMUG-What-Adam-Armstrong-of-Observium-thinks-of-WISPS/td-p/1219320/page/3 Looks like some of it may have been taken down. But here's a nice entry post by Adam. I guess we are irrelevant... -- Let me put this another way. You guys wanted something from me, but you didn't get it. The ensuing toys-from-pram tantrum has really done nothing to negatively effect me, but it has pretty much ensured that Observium, as an organisation, has lost all interest in catering to your requirements. It doesn't matter to us financially, you guys are probably less than 1% of our user base. You're statistically irrelevant. We actually had the best sales day today that we've had in the past 30 days. At the end of the day, acting like petulent pre-schoolers and deciding to inflict the stone-age horrors of Cacti or LibreNMS on yourselves because you don't like me, well, that just makes me happy, since it hurts you to a level of which I would be incable whilst having no negative effects on those WISPs. Also, this thread is so ram-packed with factual inaccuracies and basic failures at comprehending words that I'm not at all surprised that this nonsense happened. Have fun cutting off your nose to spite your face! - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 3:19:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS He's going to be making friends all over with stuff like this... [2015-04-04T01:39:59-0500] @adama [09:20:31] the wireless industry seems to be rammed full of overly entitled douches - Original Message - From: That One Guy /sarcasm To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS I like this observium guy On Apr 4, 2015 5:53 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net mailto:j...@tapodi.net wrote: Until I see evidence to the contrary (just did a svn up and no wisp gear has been removed...) I'm treating that entire exchange as the internet equivalent of some drunk (Smeg) walking up to you(Adam) in the bar and grabbing your arm and saying have your wife dance with me. You're like, that's her choice and she says no. Repeating as the night goes on. Eventually maybe you snap, say some unkind things because you want the drunk to get lost and he just isn't taking the hint. That wasn't the first IRC exchange between them and others. Adam's volatility is well known but in this case I believe he was sorely provoked.
Re: [AFMUG] 10/100 vs GigE SyncInjector
Replace it with a 750GL? On 4/6/2015 2:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: This is a 450G on 6.19. The main symptom is port up/down events in the log. If it's bad enough, the router will start showing that it is only advertising 10M to the peer, and the status will go to 10M. -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10/100 vs GigE SyncInjector I have two 10/100 SyncInjectors at two sites. One is a RB1100AHx2 still on v5.25. The other is a RB493G on v6.21.1. I don't see any negotiation issues or CRC/FCS errors, etc. Also, I don't think the GigE PoE on the 450 uses all 8 wires for power, still only 4, 5, 7 8 are powered. On 4/6/2015 12:20 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I've mostly gotten rid of problems with Mikrotik ports not wanting to work at 100M when 450 APs are powered from a 10/100 Syncinjector, by changing out the WB surge suppressors from LV to GigE. One site still seems to have some issues, which go away if using the onboard GPS and turning off sync over power. So I can change out the router, Syncinjector, surge suppressor, cable or AP. If changing out the Syncinjector, I could use another 10/100 version or spend the extra money for the GigE version. Has anyone done a comparison? Is there any difference between the 10/100 and GigE versions as far as sync over power making Mikrotik Ethernet ports flap at 100M and then stop advertising 100M altogether? I'm thinking it could be worse because the power is actually going on the data pins via the transformers, or better because it is using all 8 wires, or maybe it makes no difference since power is still not across twisted pairs. I do realize I won't get more than 100 Mbps throughput unless I use the GigE version (duh!), but that doesn't seem to be a major issue with 20 MHz channels and 256QAM.
Re: [AFMUG] 10/100 vs GigE SyncInjector
I have two 10/100 SyncInjectors at two sites. One is a RB1100AHx2 still on v5.25. The other is a RB493G on v6.21.1. I don't see any negotiation issues or CRC/FCS errors, etc. Also, I don't think the GigE PoE on the 450 uses all 8 wires for power, still only 4, 5, 7 8 are powered. On 4/6/2015 12:20 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I've mostly gotten rid of problems with Mikrotik ports not wanting to work at 100M when 450 APs are powered from a 10/100 Syncinjector, by changing out the WB surge suppressors from LV to GigE. One site still seems to have some issues, which go away if using the onboard GPS and turning off sync over power. So I can change out the router, Syncinjector, surge suppressor, cable or AP. If changing out the Syncinjector, I could use another 10/100 version or spend the extra money for the GigE version. Has anyone done a comparison? Is there any difference between the 10/100 and GigE versions as far as sync over power making Mikrotik Ethernet ports flap at 100M and then stop advertising 100M altogether? I'm thinking it could be worse because the power is actually going on the data pins via the transformers, or better because it is using all 8 wires, or maybe it makes no difference since power is still not across twisted pairs. I do realize I won't get more than 100 Mbps throughput unless I use the GigE version (duh!), but that doesn't seem to be a major issue with 20 MHz channels and 256QAM.
Re: [AFMUG] 10/100 vs GigE SyncInjector
I agree, at least try to figure it out. I would replace the RB and see what happens. Never rule out MikroTik ethernet being stupid! On 4/6/2015 3:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I have other sites with 450G and 493G in same configuration, also 2011. So I'm thinking it's something else, or a bad router. If I were to replace it with something else, I have an 850Gx2 sitting here. But this site only has one AP, so that would be overkill. It doesn't look like this site will ever have enough subs to get sectorized, so the easiest thing would be to just put a Syncpipe Parasitic up there. But I'd like to get to the bottom of the problem. -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 3:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10/100 vs GigE SyncInjector Replace it with a 750GL? On 4/6/2015 2:52 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: This is a 450G on 6.19. The main symptom is port up/down events in the log. If it's bad enough, the router will start showing that it is only advertising 10M to the peer, and the status will go to 10M. -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Monday, April 06, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10/100 vs GigE SyncInjector I have two 10/100 SyncInjectors at two sites. One is a RB1100AHx2 still on v5.25. The other is a RB493G on v6.21.1. I don't see any negotiation issues or CRC/FCS errors, etc. Also, I don't think the GigE PoE on the 450 uses all 8 wires for power, still only 4, 5, 7 8 are powered. On 4/6/2015 12:20 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I've mostly gotten rid of problems with Mikrotik ports not wanting to work at 100M when 450 APs are powered from a 10/100 Syncinjector, by changing out the WB surge suppressors from LV to GigE. One site still seems to have some issues, which go away if using the onboard GPS and turning off sync over power. So I can change out the router, Syncinjector, surge suppressor, cable or AP. If changing out the Syncinjector, I could use another 10/100 version or spend the extra money for the GigE version. Has anyone done a comparison? Is there any difference between the 10/100 and GigE versions as far as sync over power making Mikrotik Ethernet ports flap at 100M and then stop advertising 100M altogether? I'm thinking it could be worse because the power is actually going on the data pins via the transformers, or better because it is using all 8 wires, or maybe it makes no difference since power is still not across twisted pairs. I do realize I won't get more than 100 Mbps throughput unless I use the GigE version (duh!), but that doesn't seem to be a major issue with 20 MHz channels and 256QAM.
Re: [AFMUG] OT - ultrawide displays
I can buy those!? On 4/6/2015 4:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: most impressive ones I have seen were at ATT Stadium Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: I did not know such things existed. 21:9 aspect ratio and curved screen. 3440 x 1440 pixels. http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=usl=ens=dhscs=19sku=210-ADTR I figured this would be the answer for those of you who put 2 monitors side-by-side. But of course they show 2 of THESE side-by-side.
Re: [AFMUG] VoIP
The per extension model doesn't work anymore, as far as business customers. Say they have 10 phones/extensions at $35/mo each. Comcast or ATT can come in and blow that away with $200/mo business service. Been there, done that, cannot do that anymore. Don't think you can just jump into doing voice. IMO, it's not worth it at all. Too many headaches. For your own business, sure, have at it. On 4/6/2015 9:33 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: You’ve got to charge for something. It has become standard practice not to charge for minutes, even though you get charged for minutes. So some combination of $X per DID and $Y per extension. Especially when you are talking to businesses, they are used to paying per “line”, where if they want to be able to have Z simultaneous incoming or outgoing calls, they need Z lines, usually each with its own DID but configured as a rollover or hunt group to the main number. But with VoIP you can have as many calls as you want with just one “line”, so you need a different model. Also, features like voicemail and call waiting and caller ID that used to bring in tons of money for the phone companies are now expected free as part of standard service. So you need to charge for something. Otherwise you end up supporting 20 or 100 handsets with unlimited local and long distance for a total of $20 per month and you go broke. I think the idea is that an extension is a placeholder for a bucket of minutes, if a business or MDU has 100 extensions, they will likely make 100 times as many calls as someone with one extension. On the other hand, a business with 1 DID and 100 extensions probably shouldn’t pay as much as 100 individual customers each with an extensions and a DID, especially since you will probably pay some small amount per month per DID for origination.
Re: [AFMUG] 12 Port SyncInjiector
I wasn't at AF so I didn't get to see the prototype, but I talked to him in STL about it. It sounds like it'll be something we'll want to put at most sites. Swappable modules for different PoE types with built-in DC-DC converters that'll take in whatever you have, +24, +48, -48, etc. Kinda like a CTM box but modular. On 4/5/2015 3:18 PM, Paul McCall wrote: That is a good option. I was referring to the device that Forrest showed a “prototype” of at Animal Farm a couple months ago *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig House *Sent:* Sunday, April 05, 2015 1:56 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 12 Port SyncInjiector Paul We started using the syncbox 12 for sync on timing. It seems to be a great option if you dont mind running the timing cables as well as cat5 Craig *From: *Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, April 5, 2015 12:35:14 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] 12 Port SyncInjiector Forrest, Is this is a product yet? Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] gestioip
I think I'm gonna look at moving from IPPlan to phpIPAM. IPPlan still works fine, it just hasn't had any updates in like 5 years and some things are broken. On 4/4/2015 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: It's DNS zone export is a bit clunky, but I've liked it so far. It doesn't have the pretty UI of PHPIPAdmin, but it's more functional. Don't care about VLANs here. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 30, 2015 11:10:23 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] gestioip I dont know what your purpose for it is, but it is freaking perfect for what I need. Simple and easy. It has a paid for feature that will go out and pull down router configs regularly I am going to look into. that isnt a purpose I intended for this, but if it does it well, then kazaa I havent messed witht he VLAN documentation part since we have very few, but if it does give good visibility in documentaion, it might make VLAN a more appealing option on out network On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 5:41 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm migrating from IP-Plan to Gestio. As with everything else, I get half way through and then something more pressing comes up... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Sunday, March 29, 2015 5:35:03 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] gestioip I had been looking for something simple to keep track of and resize subnets. i had settled on learning racktables, which has a pretty steep curve to full functionality For shits I installed gestioip, the tutorial for setup is great for non linux guys, there are a couple things that took some poking like setting the password for mysql root and getting the apache server to start, otherwise really clean. This was EXACTLY what i was looking for, just putt in the root networks I use, have opverview of whats in use, whats available. It will go out and pull subnets off your routers, Poercode BMU and Fortigate tested. Very much worth looking into. It actually has already proven handy for our contracted office networks since it allows client views, we can manage their IP space from this as well -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
[AFMUG] WTB: used 6GHz
Anyone have a full link of 6GHz low (5925-6425)? PoE or split IDU/ODU is fine, just need a spare set of something capable of at least 56MHz and 256QAM like Trango ApexPlus or GigaPlus, SAF Lumina, etc.
[AFMUG] FS: 9000SMC P10
We have 80-100 900SMs and would love to get rid of probably half of them. If anyone is interested, hit me off list.
Re: [AFMUG] Monitoring sync status on SyncInjector
The indexed Cacti template I made covered everything. It does not matter
what order any modules are in. The indexed method works exactly like the
interface traffic template. The default is to index based on the
interface description. With the SiteMonitor, this works out to the row
description. For example, 1PPS Active will always be 1PPS Active, no
matter which position the SyncInjector happens to be in, slot 1, 2, 3,
4, etc. Where this creates a problem is when you have more than one of
the same expansion module. Two PoE1's, two 1PPS Active, etc. Luckily
Forrest made it so we can rename the descriptions though! So I have
something like S1-1PPSActive, S2-1PPSActive, etc.
That works for me with Cacti which I know not everyone uses. But I'm
just trying to make the point that it works fine and a MIB isn't needed.
Except for the old Base-1 which won't return the .0 row on an SNMP walk!
On 4/3/2015 10:00 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
...I did not know that.
On 4/3/2015 10:54 AM, Steve Utick wrote:
However, no matter how they are plugged in, you can reorder them in
the SiteMonitor Manager so they show up in the order you want
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 5:59 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
The issue is the order things are plugged in. We started out
plugging things in the way that it made the cables neater. It
would have been better if we had one or two standard orders.
So if you have
SiteMonitor - SyncInjector - 4 port POE
It will be different than
SiteMonitor - 4 port POE - SyncInjector
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/3/2015 12:14 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I wish there was a way to produce a standard for the product
which was useful, but because of the dynamic nature of the
expansion bus, and some limitations of the snmp stack I use,
it's never going to be as static as one would like.
Along with producing standard MIB files to at least define the
columns in the tables, I am working on some plugins for
different monitoring tools to make this easier.
I'll look at that binary tab when I'm back in the office mid
next week. I know it used to work. Not sure what changed.
Probably a good excuse to add copy oid to the clipboard support
for the newer browsers which support this functionality.
On Apr 2, 2015 3:31 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Hey Forrest. How about a MIB? Don't go all Ubnt on us!
Different OID for each SiteMonitor =(
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
I think it is 1.3.6.1.4.1.32050.2.1.26.5.45 for me
1.3.6.1.4.1.32050.2.1.26.5.[0-45+] with 5 being the
value for this one. Confused, but I've got my answer!
Thanks for the help guys.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 5:20 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
On the web interface, nothing on the Binary IO page
gives me an OID. It does work on Base/Expansion
Unit pages.
On the Binary IO page I see 1pps, no OID. On the
Manager I don't see it go all the way to index 45.
Walking 1.3.6.1.4.1.32050.2.1.27
1.3.6.1.4.1.32050.2.1.27.2.[0-42] are descriptions
1.3.6.1.4.1.32050.2.1.27.3.[0-42] are values
No description for 1PPS, but I see sats in view,
used pulses, early pulses, etc.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Forrest Christian
(List Account) li...@packetflux.com
mailto:li...@packetflux.com wrote:
It's also in the web interface... The hover
interface that is.
On Apr 2, 2015 3:14 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Oh. I didn't realize that worked for the
Monitor II units...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Re: [AFMUG] Every 6th Ping
That was Travis like 4 years ago, back in v8 or 9 days.
On 4/3/2015 1:07 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Why does my memory recall something that Peter Kranz was seeing a year
(or two?) ago?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/3/2015 10:59 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Are you running older software? There was a bug once that caused
every 8th packet to be 8 packets delayed. A reboot would fix it for
awhile.
Does anybody know what would cause every 6th ping to be in the
400-600mS range?
This is on 5.7 PMP100 gear.
Re: [AFMUG] [Wisp] PacketFlux SiteMonitor II Cacti template?
I have a couple different options in this template. Non-indexed basic graph templates for the Base Unit (I's and II's are separate) metrics, which are collapsed onto a single graph. I have only one of the Temp Control expansion modules so I just left that graph template alone and haven't converted mine to indexed yet, and probably wont. Non-indexed is more for the old Base-I which is kinda broken. You can't SNMPwalk and get any of the .0 rows, and the .0 row of analog is the base's internal temperature sensor! Hopefully Forrest will get that firmware out soon. Non-indexed means it uses the data templates so the OIDs are set in stone, which is not very flexible. The Base-2 definitely works fine as indexed. The actual index field is the description of each row. What indexed lets you do is have the expansion modules in any order, it makes sense when you have 10 different configurations at various sites. Or just lazy I suppose. Put the packetflux_sitemonitor_analog and binary XML files in cacti_base/resource/snmp_queries. Then import the host template XML file in the GUI. Change whatever you want. If you need help, let me know. On 4/3/2015 10:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Bill was talking about his today or yesterday. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 3, 2015 11:45 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a Cacti template for the PacketFlux SiteMonitor II that they would be willing to share? Thanks, Mike -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 tel:408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.com mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon ___ WISP mailing list w...@wispa.org mailto:w...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wisp ___ WISP mailing list w...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wisp
Re: [AFMUG] [Wisp] PacketFlux SiteMonitor II Cacti template?
Amazon strips out XML files. Nice. On 4/3/2015 11:15 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote: I have a couple different options in this template. Non-indexed basic graph templates for the Base Unit (I's and II's are separate) metrics, which are collapsed onto a single graph. I have only one of the Temp Control expansion modules so I just left that graph template alone and haven't converted mine to indexed yet, and probably wont. Non-indexed is more for the old Base-I which is kinda broken. You can't SNMPwalk and get any of the .0 rows, and the .0 row of analog is the base's internal temperature sensor! Hopefully Forrest will get that firmware out soon. Non-indexed means it uses the data templates so the OIDs are set in stone, which is not very flexible. The Base-2 definitely works fine as indexed. The actual index field is the description of each row. What indexed lets you do is have the expansion modules in any order, it makes sense when you have 10 different configurations at various sites. Or just lazy I suppose. Put the packetflux_sitemonitor_analog and binary XML files in cacti_base/resource/snmp_queries. Then import the host template XML file in the GUI. Change whatever you want. If you need help, let me know. On 4/3/2015 10:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Bill was talking about his today or yesterday. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 3, 2015 11:45 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a Cacti template for the PacketFlux SiteMonitor II that they would be willing to share? Thanks, Mike -- Mike Lyon 408-621-4826 tel:408-621-4826 mike.l...@gmail.com mailto:mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon ___ WISP mailing list w...@wispa.org mailto:w...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wisp ___ WISP mailing list w...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wisp
Re: [AFMUG] Shenanigans
It wouldn't be so bad if there were two attachment points into the brick, 18-24 apart and it would hold up just fine. On 4/2/2015 6:48 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote: Wow. How? I'm guessing with that tall of a pole there are a lot of trees all around? - Original Message - *From:* Brian Sullivan mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Thursday, April 02, 2015 4:19 PM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shenanigans Corn field wind. Normal thunderstorms are 30-40 mph. On 4/2/2015 2:59 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Do you not have wind there? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Brian Sullivan installe...@foxvalley.net mailto:installe...@foxvalley.net wrote: Reminding operators to Q.C. their tech's work. Fortunately this has held up for nearly a year as-is.
Re: [AFMUG] cambium selfie
Because he can't stick an SFP in it? ;) On 4/1/2015 9:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: You said down with them, I don't see why. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 1, 2015 9:49 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: You mean other than what I already said? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, April 1, 2015 8:47:25 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cambium selfie What's wrong with N? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Apr 1, 2015 9:38 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Down with N connectors! Since UBNT started with the IP67 rated RPSMA, that's all I've wanted to deal with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Peter Kranz pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, April 1, 2015 6:21:41 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] cambium selfie Kurt, you can't take a selflie which shows insufficient waterproofing on the N-connectors and expect us not to say something.. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 tel:510-868-1614%20x100 Mobile: 510-207- tel:510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 3:20 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] cambium selfie New link
Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: [WISPA Approved Ad] Announcing MetroLinq - world's first low-cost 60GHz PTP
UBNT should take some notes. 24GHz FDD with a built-in 5GHz TDD hot-standby backup would be killer. When the 24GHz is faded and its capacity drops below the 5GHz capacity, switch the data path internally, instantly. On 4/1/2015 7:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: For 1/2 or 1 mile shots? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 8:01 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I would be so afraid of rain with 60 GHz. *From:* Gino Villarini mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com *Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2015 5:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: [WISPA Approved Ad] Announcing MetroLinq - world's first low-cost 60GHz PTP wow!!! Game changer! Gino A. Villarini President From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net Reply-To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 at 3:43 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: [WISPA Approved Ad] Announcing MetroLinq - world's first low-cost 60GHz PTP FYI New company to me, but I've known of Hal for a few companies now. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Harold Bledsoe hbled...@ignitenet.com mailto:hbled...@ignitenet.com *To: *advertiseme...@wispa.org mailto:advertiseme...@wispa.org *Cc: *a...@wispa.org mailto:a...@wispa.org *Sent: *Wednesday, April 1, 2015 11:19:04 AM *Subject: *[WISPA Approved Ad] Announcing MetroLinq - world's first low-cost60GHz PTP Announcing MetroLinq - world's first low-cost 60GHz PTP MetroLinq World's first low-cost option for 60 GHz Point-to-Point IgniteNet is excited to announce the latest product in its outdoor wireless product portfolio: MetroLinq! Operating in the worldwide 60GHz and 5GHz unlicensed bands, MetroLinq ushers in a new era of urban fixed wireless service, hybrid fiber-wireless networks, and other types of high capacity, short-range networks. MetroLinq is capable of *1Gbps+* of throughput, low latency, and virtually interference-free links in almost any environment. Link distances of up to 1-2km are made possible through high output power, high antenna gain, and excellent receive sensitivity. Availability is further enhanced through a second, built-in 5GHz radio which can be used as a parallel backup link. This 5GHz radio can also be used as a multi-tenant 802.11ac access point, providing unparalleled flexibility. Starting at an incredibly low price of *$500 per unit*, MetroLinq enables new business opportunities for service providers and system integrators. To learn more about the MetroLinq line of products and to gain early access to this revolutionary new product, please visit the MetroLinq product page. Reserve Today! http://www.ignitenet.com/metrolinq-reservation?utm_source=WISPA+Advertisementutm_campaign=72d5e5b6a9-WISPA_Ad_14_1_2015utm_medium=emailutm_term=0_ce72cf771a-72d5e5b6a9-mc_cid=72d5e5b6a9mc_eid=[UNIQID] /Copyright © 2015 IgniteNet, All rights reserved./ ___ Advertisements mailing list advertiseme...@wispa.org mailto:advertiseme...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/advertisements
Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP-150
FlyingVoice On 4/1/2015 10:30 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: I swear these must be OEM from Zhone or they used the same industrial design consultant that Zhone/Paradyne used in the past. See for example: http://www.zhone.com/products/6211/ *From:* mailto:p...@believewireless.net *Sent:* Wednesday, April 01, 2015 10:05 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP-150 Check out these two: *1.**C3VoIP-200P: 300Mbps 802.11n based home router with two phone ports* *2.**C3VoIP-201P: 1200Mbps 802.11ac based dual-band home router with two phone ports* On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 10:41 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Yes which is why they're working on something new. On 4/1/2015 9:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Is it just me or is the C3VoIP-150 missing WiFi? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] C3VoIP-150
Yes which is why they're working on something new. On 4/1/2015 9:36 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Is it just me or is the C3VoIP-150 missing WiFi? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
It seems to me as simple as he doesn't want to support anything beyond
the standard MIBs, no enterprise MIBs. Ooo, interface statistics and
system uptime, that's everything you need to know!
On 4/1/2015 9:49 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Just different volumes. Tens of millions of units versus a million, or
maybe a few hundred thousand.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 4/1/2015 7:01 AM, Paul Stewart wrote:
That’s the same in a lot of the telco world as well… DSLAM’s, DS3 Mux
gear, DWDM gear .. various stuff.. they all have “weird” SNMP support
at times…;)
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:50 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
A lot of the products that WISPs use have historically had sketchy
(and ever changing) SNMP support which is probably one reason he is
acting the way that he is. I am -not- making an excuse for his
behavior or attitude; just stating a fact.
Josh
On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:44 AM, WaveDirect li...@wavedirect.org
mailto:li...@wavedirect.org wrote:
Just shows you what sort person this guy is. Let him rot in his
own cesspool of hate. He just saw a bunch of work ahead of him
that would benefit a great deal of people, took a half assed stab
at it and then said naw I'm too lazy I don't want to do it.
Its a classic case of cognitive dissonance. I'd like to do it,
but its too hard therefore I don't want to do it and screw you I
can't do it so I hate all of you.
- Original Message -
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:00:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
What does Adam Armstrong’s Linkedin profile say “Wispa
Connoisseur”? He likes Wispa candy bars? It seems ironic if he
looks down on WISPs.
From: David Milholen
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2015 7:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of WISPS
Some folks in the coding world think they have the million dollar
code and is above everyone else when in reality they suck at
everything else
and only have a decent piece of code nothing more. This is where
open source gets versatile and ugly at times because someone that
is willing
to build the initial code to a higher standard can see the flaws
others have made and fix what needs to be fixed.
These are the guys who make open source a great place to play.
Our entire core is built around open source our VMs and phy
servers are all open source. I dont have a single windows machine
in my office now.
I did have an old XP machine to run linkplanner but WINE has come
a long way so now I run it on my Debian console with no issue.
all of our techs use small laptops with either crashbang linux or
Lubuntu on them to allow them to switch between networks quickly.
Our Senior tech can be in and out of a home in less than 40min
with contract and paid invoice.
up until last year we made the change to move all tech laptops to
linux.
On 3/31/2015 5:01 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
I haven't paid him a dime, but it does many things very well.
It's like the guy that made the badass bandwidth shaper years
ago. He was a tool, but people still bought it because it was the
best at what it did.
Eventually someone else will make something better and not be a
tool, but that's where we're at for now.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Lists mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
mailto:li...@wavedirect.org
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:41:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS
So write a good product = you can treat customers (yes I paid
the sub) however you want. Belittle industries publically without
consequence?
Why are you apologizing for him? The means justifies the end?
I think its because you are probably the person who paid him to
put the Trango Apex code in as well as other things and are invested.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:38:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] What Adam Armstrong of Observium thinks of
WISPS
Lots of people do just that because it's the best at what it
does do.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 16'' N-to-N pigtail change?
http://www.heatshrinksupply.com/pages/product_details.php?part=GSHS-4635WT-1-0
The 1 4:1 gives you 0.945 expanded ID to fit over the connector, then
it will shrink down to the .240 size cable like a glove.
On 3/31/2015 8:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Where do I find 4:1 heat shrink?
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 8:49 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Which is another reason why I think I'm going to switch to some
4:1 shrink instead.
I do have a couple of the hex type jumpers. Can't remember where
they came from. And that was well over a year ago when we got
them. I think possibly the WAV equivalents are the hex type.
On 3/31/2015 7:30 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Oh crap! I just got some of those pigtails and they're all the
hex variety. To make it worse, I just got 100' of the heat
shrink. Double crap!
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/31/2015 4:38 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Did cambium change the 16'' pigtail they sell for the 450 AP's
recently? I have been buying them for years and they always had
the round N connector like the one in the photo and recently
from two vendors I started getting them with the Hex shaped
connector like in the attached photo. The problem is the 3:1
heat-shrink I use no longer fits over this new one with the hex nut.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/
tel. 419-562-6405 tel:419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110 tel:419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet Interference from Grounding using GIGE-APC
That would be my guess as well. I see sensitive surge suppressors cause CRC errors all the time. Like the old 444SS's. Lightning strikes nearby set them off and they react very fast, which is probably a good thing. Sometimes it confuses the PHY and the link has to be bounced. I'd rather have to do that than have a blown or degraded interface. On 3/31/2015 4:33 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Seen this happen before. Has to be a potential between one of the ethernet lines and ground. Sometimes it is because someone used a LV version instead of a HV version. *From:* Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:13 AM *To:* Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ethernet Interference from Grounding using GIGE-APC Bring out the Holy Hand ...oops bring out the voltmeter and see what you get. Compare to non affected lines. Ground isolation is a science all to itself Jaime Solorza On Mar 31, 2015 11:04 AM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote: if there is voltage on the ground then yes it will cause ethernet errors. On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote: I just changed out an ATOM mikrotik to a CCR, and found that it is Incrementing FCS Errors exactly every 30 seconds on the Ethernet line from a Trango LYNX. The lynx is powered via DC, so the Data line is clean of POE. I am using a GIGE-APC Unit on the Ethernet line. What I found through testing, was that the FCS Errors only happened when the GIGE-APC was plugged into the chassis. They happened at exact 30 second intervals. Because of this I'm guessing that there is something introduced via the ground that is causing them. If I pull the GIGE-APC out of the Chassis, the errors stopped, if I plugged it back in, the errors came back, at the exact same clock points (in my CCR Log, always at 06 and 36 seconds regardless of the timing of plugging/unplugging). I'm using the 1U APC chassis, and there are other GIGE-APC, 444APC-HV, and GIGE-POE-APC units in it. None of the other equipment is plugged into the CCR, so unsure if it would increment FCS Errors on those. They are all plugged into RB1100's, and have no errors logged in the mikrotik. Any place to start troubleshooting something like this? Would it make sense that something on the ground plane could cause these Ethernet errors? I believe that this is causing some very low level packetloss through the link, about 1 packet every 5 minutes or so, I'm guessing based on if the ping falls directly on the error frame. Nate
