[AFMUG] VPN Services and all that jazz

[Tyler Treat]

Been seeing more and more discussions about consumer VPN services / anonymizers 
and whatnot that people are using for "privacy"

Without getting into the merits of all of that, which providers are you seeing 
people use?

I hear ipVanish, NordVPN, WiTopia being mentioned somewhat regularly.

Anyone use one of these services?

Anyone sending *everything* through a service like this from a Tik?


TT

[AFMUG] Cambium Vulnerability Published

[Tyler Treat]

This just hit my mailbox.

https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/advisories/ICSA-17-166-01

Apologies if this has already been posted


TT


Cambium Networks ePMP | 
ICS-CERT
ics-cert.us-cert.gov
CVSS v3 7.6ATTENTION: Remotely exploitable/low skill level to exploit.Vendor: 
Cambium NetworksEquipment: ePMPVulnerabilities: Improper Access Control, 
Improper Privilege ManagementAFFECTED PRODUCTSCambium reports that the 
vulnerabilities affect the following ePMP Network Access Control products:

Re: [AFMUG] Would you like some porn with your shopping?

[Tyler Treat]

Might be the best marketing they've ever done!


From: Af  on behalf of Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Would you like some porn with your shopping?

$$ there is always an option

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
Do they have any options to get it back?

can...@believewireless.net wrote:
And the hits keep on rolling their domain expired and they don't own it! 
Their previous IT company does.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Josh Reynolds 
 
>> wrote:

doot doot 

- Josh

On May 18, 2017 3:06 PM, "Chris Wright" 

>> wrote:

This is delicious. If you’re on reddit, please post on
/r/talesfromtechsupport for that sweet karma.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>] *On Behalf 
Of
*can...@believewireless.net 
>
*Sent:* Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
>
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Would you like some porn with your shopping?

A customer of mine decided they needed some digital displays
for their mall. As part of the deal, they decided to replace
our Internet ($500/month) with a fiber circuit
($2,500/month)... because we were "too expensive" and redo the
WiFi we installed for something like $50k because there were a
"few dead spots." Even though we were specifically told not to
cover those areas.

Total cost of contract to new vendor? $2.2 million.

They fired the IT consultant we had been working with and
replaced him with the new vendor. After months of not being
able to get just about anything to work, they re-hired the IT
consultant and kept us and expanded our role.

After the IT consultant warned for months the digital displays
were insecure, the person in charge of them did nothing.

So, today, everyone in the mall was greeted with porn on the
monitors. Needless to say, the guy in charge of the project is
finally being fired.




Virus-free. www.avg.com 


<#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>

Re: [AFMUG] Af24hd front cover

[Tyler Treat]

Kinda what I figured.  Thanks!

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


> On Apr 17, 2017, at 4:45 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
> First one I ever had did this.  They are held on by some kind of RTV.  Just 
> scrape it out and put in new stuff.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Tyler Treat
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 3:43 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Af24hd front cover
> 
> Have a friend who had the front cover on an AF24hd come off on a rooftop 
> install, so luckily he was able to find it.   Is there a good way to keep it 
> attached?
> 
> ___
> Mangled by my iPhone.
> ___
> Tyler Treat
> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
> ___
> 

[AFMUG] Af24hd front cover

[Tyler Treat]

Have a friend who had the front cover on an AF24hd come off on a rooftop 
install, so luckily he was able to find it.   Is there a good way to keep it 
attached?

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

[Tyler Treat]

I'm quite happy with our TippingPoint system now that they're out from under 
the burden of HP.  Trend Micro has been very responsive since the acquisition.





From: Af  on behalf of Jordan Gregory 

Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 10:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

Call me a glutton for punishment, but I've always been a Cisco IPS/IDS guy 
although Snort is really starting to grow in me these days.

On Feb 8, 2017 10:06 PM, "Jesse DuPont" 
> wrote:
I think it is a managed service, but it does involve hardware appliances they 
provide. May not be what you're after...

Jesse DuPont
Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
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On 2/8/17 9:03 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
This looks like managed services, not hardware/software.  Am I missing 
something?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone familiar with IDS/IPS systems

Dell SecureWorks.
Jesse DuPont
Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC
Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! 
facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
[cid:part3.6D1B95D3.A1FDB61E@celeritycorp.net]
On 2/8/17 6:28 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
Apparently Extreme Networking is getting out of the IDS/IPS business.  Does 
anyone have any suggestions who might have similar products they could 
recommend?


Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

“First rule of Racing, whats behind you does not count.” – Gregory White

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

[Tyler Treat]

Everybody has this notion that AWS is cheap.

It's not cheap - It's rapidly scalable.  Up or Down. So it can be cheap at 
times of low usage.

If you're in the business of having your own datacenter, there's room there to 
cut some of your costs, but I think a lot of it just shuffles around.
It really shines if you can put the automation in place to scale things 
invisibly on the fly to take advantage of the ebbs and flows in your demand.  
Lots of options out there for doing that.
Its like your networks, you guys have to build for peak(theoretically).   With 
AWS, you build/commit for the average, and burst for the peaks then ratchet 
back down with the demand.

The thing I hate about AWS is the way they've organized things.  As somewhat of 
what I'd consider a "networking traditionalist" a lot of this stuff takes some 
time to wrap your head around.
It's laid out to coerce you into using as many of their services as possible.  
A simple deployment winds up sprawling across a large part of their offering 
rather quick.

Just my 2 cents.

TT




From: Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?


I didn't know it is most of thier revenue either.  It doesn't surprise me.  I 
got an email about their AppStream2 program for a free trial.  I tried it,  it 
didn't work,  and they billed me $600 bucks.

Maybe it works better now, it is still to expensive.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017, 10:13 PM That One Guy /sarcasm 
> wrote:
AWS has intrigued me, they don't follow the normal rules of scale, shedding the 
lighter, less profitable loads as they grow. They host anything and everything 
and don't seem to care. It may be they actually follow the rules of scale in 
volume. Taking everything, even free grammars cookie flat pages knowing that X 
percentage of the freebies will generate a small revenue.
It's a hard concept for me to visualize, I still think 4tb is a lot of data

On Feb 7, 2017 8:31 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:
AWS has been the largest cloud provider by a large margin for at least half a 
decade - even picking up those juicy government (CIA even) contracts to boot.

I guess I just figured someone involved in IT would know that given their scale 
*shrug*

On Feb 7, 2017 6:48 PM, "Adam Moffett" 
> wrote:
Serious question?  How would I know information before exposure to said 
information?


-- Original Message --
From: "Josh Reynolds" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/7/2017 7:07:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Did you not know that before you read about it?

On Feb 7, 2017 3:24 PM, "Adam Moffett" 
> wrote:
I also read their biggest money maker now is not the books, or streaming, or 
any other crap they sell in their store.
It's AWS.  Which started out as a side thing they were doing.

It's like if an ISP started selling books on the side, and the book business 
took off better than the ISP.


-- Original Message --
From: "Travis Johnson" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/7/2017 4:10:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Didn't it only take Amazon 15+ years to become profitable?? LOL

Travis


On 2/7/2017 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
They have a statement in their prospectus that they may never achieve 
profitability.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 1:38 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Anybody waiting for the Snap, Inc. IPO?

On Feb 7, 2017 11:17 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  
wrote:
TOGS is up and coming, getting in on the ground floor is an opportunity not to 
be missed. Currently a privately held stock, limited to a select few investors. 
This thing is gonna be bigger than if Edsel had a baby with bernie maddof wint 
a pinch of enron stuffed into a solyndra cell.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
Waiting for GoPro to drop below 8.

From: Gino Villarini
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 10:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

Thanks for the tip!




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:part7.E5EAA635.4D129788@ida.net]



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] site acquisition initial contact

[Tyler Treat]

Or maybe if you're not the people-person typesend your sales guy?


From: Af  on behalf of That One Guy /sarcasm 

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] site acquisition initial contact

Lol I thought you were gonna say go at harvest time and talk to the farmer, 
that's a good way to get shot

On Jan 12, 2017 6:15 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > 
wrote:
Go there at harvest time, see what name is on the grain trucks?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 4:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] site acquisition initial contact

Obviously you didn't read his e-mail.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Josh Luthman" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 1:32:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] site acquisition initial contact
Are you just looking to talk to who runs the grain elevator?

Grab the address, go to the county auditor (website), get their name and you 
can usually find their home number that way.  If you need their cell I'd do 
what Chuck said, talk to the neighbors.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
Go talk to the person in the nearest house.

Used to be that the power company would give you contact info based on the 
meter number.  Probably not any more, but maybe with a little social 
engineering.

Tax assessor, county recorder, sheriff.
Elevators normally toss some pesticides in with the grain.
The local pesticide dealer may hook you up.
Fertilizer dealers know everyone.
Farm equipment dealers know everyone.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 12:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] site acquisition initial contact

We are going to be doing some acquisition this year to solidify our footprint 
prior to an expansion. We prefer when possible to go on privately owned grain 
legs, with a secondary preference to grain elevators and little interest in 
tower access. When I go out to the target areas to get visual affirmation of 
viable locations, in my perfect world, the farmers will be there and sign our 
exploratory contract, basically setting rough terms and authorizing access for 
full site inspections.

The issue is that 9 times out of ten there wont be anybody home or there wont 
be a residence on the property, so making contact will be problematic. Plat 
maps will get us the property owner, but the contact will be an issue, postal 
contact will just get tossed in the trash. Around here an unexpected telephone 
contact will set a negative tone for the relationship.
I was thinking about a door hanger with a business card, or something of that 
sort. The goal being a format high in probability for return contact and low in 
probability for being perceived as a nuisance.

Any sage advice?

--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] site acquisition initial contact

[Tyler Treat]

Call your farmer friends.  They'll know who's leg it is.  Probably even make an 
introduction.

network, network, network!


From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] site acquisition initial contact


Or this - build a wooden horse, leave it at the grain leg, and hide inside.

We all know farmers can't resist free stuff, so next time he's at the leg, he 
will take the horse home.

Now you can jump out and ... wait, that will definitely get you shot.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] site acquisition initial contact



Lol I thought you were gonna say go at harvest time and talk to the farmer, 
that's a good way to get shot



On Jan 12, 2017 6:15 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > 
wrote:

Go there at harvest time, see what name is on the grain trucks?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 4:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] site acquisition initial contact



Obviously you didn't read his e-mail.


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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Midwest Internet Exchange
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The Brothers WISP
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From: "Josh Luthman" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 1:32:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] site acquisition initial contact

Are you just looking to talk to who runs the grain elevator?

Grab the address, go to the county auditor (website), get their name and you 
can usually find their home number that way.  If you need their cell I'd do 
what Chuck said, talk to the neighbors.




Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:

Go talk to the person in the nearest house.



Used to be that the power company would give you contact info based on the 
meter number.  Probably not any more, but maybe with a little social 
engineering.



Tax assessor, county recorder, sheriff.

Elevators normally toss some pesticides in with the grain.

The local pesticide dealer may hook you up.

Fertilizer dealers know everyone.

Farm equipment dealers know everyone.



From: That One Guy /sarcasm

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 12:19 PM

To: af@afmug.com

Subject: [AFMUG] site acquisition initial contact



We are going to be doing some acquisition this year to solidify our footprint 
prior to an expansion. We prefer when possible to go on privately owned grain 
legs, with a secondary preference to grain elevators and little interest in 
tower access. When I go out to the target areas to get visual affirmation of 
viable locations, in my perfect world, the farmers will be there and sign our 
exploratory contract, basically setting rough terms and authorizing access for 
full site inspections.



The issue is that 9 times out of ten there wont be anybody home or there wont 
be a residence on the property, so making contact will be problematic. Plat 
maps will get us the property owner, but the contact will be an issue, postal 
contact will just get tossed in the trash. Around here an unexpected telephone 
contact will set a negative tone for the relationship.

I was thinking about a door hanger with a business card, or something of that 
sort. The goal being a format high in probability for return contact and low in 
probability for being perceived as a nuisance.



Any sage advice?



--

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Tyler Treat]

oh yeah, and time of day billing.   carrots and sticks, etc.



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question


Ssssh!  You’re supposed to pretend it’s about making the grid more 
resilient and offering futuristic features to the ratepayers.  You can’t just 
blurt out the real reasons like that.



Now they’re going to have to bring in a PR team to clean up your mess, maybe 
tell us it was swamp gas and flashy-thing us.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question





I thought that was the point?  Remote on/off and shitcan all their meter 
readers





From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Nate 
Burke <n...@blastcomm.com<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question



I just happened to be at a property today where they were install a new
smartmeter.  The Tech confirmed that they do have the ability to cut to
the power to the house from the meter.

On 1/3/2017 9:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Good news:  would probably trip the breaker
> Bad news:  probably not fast enough
> More bad news:  that kind of voltage would probably arc right across the 
> opening breaker contacts
>
> Maybe there's a fuse for that.  Like the ones up on poles that you reset with 
> a hot stick.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question
>
> I doubt it.  Much more energy involved when a primary gets into a secondary.
> Not short duration impulses like lightning.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question
>
> Would one of those 'Whole Home Surge Protectors' Protect against something 
> like this?
>
> On 1/2/2017 6:21 PM, Robert wrote:
>> When I was living in Santa Cruz we had a situation where the wind hit
>> exactly the right direction at exactly the right speed and stayed there.
>> The lines started swaying harmonically.   Larger and larger loops until
>> they crossed.   At that point ( I was watching it happen from bed out the
>> back window) it got interesting in the house with every active circuit
>> with any resistance going bright red.  I looked down at a power strip the
>> old style cream colored one and the whole interior was bright orange.   I
>> was doing X10 at the time and they popped like popcorn around the house...
>> The wires stayed wrapped and I think a pole mounted breaker blew and
>> everything went dark..   The sound when they crossed was very loud.
>> Amazingly I described what happened to PG they said take everything
>> smoked to their office and they wrote me a check right there and then..
>> About $1500 which at the time was four months rent...
>>
>> On 1/2/17 3:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> We had a situation where the center tap on a local distribution
>>> transformer got crossed with one of the phases. It resulted in one
>>> phase going to ground potential, and the second phase going to ~~ 220 volts.
>>>
>>> Everything 110V on the dead phase was unaffected (because it was
>>> dead), and everything 110V on the other phase got fried (because it
>>> was at 220V).
>>>
>>> I had gotten up that morning, and I heard our pool pump kick on,
>>> which was a 220V motor wired between phases. Sounded like a "normal" 
>>> morning.
>>>
>>> Walking through the family room on the way to the kitchen, I flipped
>>> on the light, and POP! The light in the family room literally exploded.
>>> Weird I thought, but the pool pump is running normally Not having
>>> had my coffee infusion yet, I proceeded to the kitchen. I flipped on
>>> the kitchen lights and POP! another light bulb explosion. Now it had
>>> my attention.
>>>
>>> I went into the garage, and grabbed my DVM (making sure not to turn
>>> anything on). Going around the house I found some outlets dead, and
>>> some reading 220V. When I encountered the first one at 220V, my next
>>> stop was the main panel, where I flipped off th

Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

[Tyler Treat]

I thought that was the point?  Remote on/off and shitcan all their meter 
readers



From: Af  on behalf of Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

I just happened to be at a property today where they were install a new
smartmeter.  The Tech confirmed that they do have the ability to cut to
the power to the house from the meter.

On 1/3/2017 9:42 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Good news:  would probably trip the breaker
> Bad news:  probably not fast enough
> More bad news:  that kind of voltage would probably arc right across the 
> opening breaker contacts
>
> Maybe there's a fuse for that.  Like the ones up on poles that you reset with 
> a hot stick.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 9:11 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question
>
> I doubt it.  Much more energy involved when a primary gets into a secondary.
> Not short duration impulses like lightning.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2017 6:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question
>
> Would one of those 'Whole Home Surge Protectors' Protect against something 
> like this?
>
> On 1/2/2017 6:21 PM, Robert wrote:
>> When I was living in Santa Cruz we had a situation where the wind hit
>> exactly the right direction at exactly the right speed and stayed there.
>> The lines started swaying harmonically.   Larger and larger loops until
>> they crossed.   At that point ( I was watching it happen from bed out the
>> back window) it got interesting in the house with every active circuit
>> with any resistance going bright red.  I looked down at a power strip the
>> old style cream colored one and the whole interior was bright orange.   I
>> was doing X10 at the time and they popped like popcorn around the house...
>> The wires stayed wrapped and I think a pole mounted breaker blew and
>> everything went dark..   The sound when they crossed was very loud.
>> Amazingly I described what happened to PG they said take everything
>> smoked to their office and they wrote me a check right there and then..
>> About $1500 which at the time was four months rent...
>>
>> On 1/2/17 3:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>> We had a situation where the center tap on a local distribution
>>> transformer got crossed with one of the phases. It resulted in one
>>> phase going to ground potential, and the second phase going to ~~ 220 volts.
>>>
>>> Everything 110V on the dead phase was unaffected (because it was
>>> dead), and everything 110V on the other phase got fried (because it
>>> was at 220V).
>>>
>>> I had gotten up that morning, and I heard our pool pump kick on,
>>> which was a 220V motor wired between phases. Sounded like a "normal" 
>>> morning.
>>>
>>> Walking through the family room on the way to the kitchen, I flipped
>>> on the light, and POP! The light in the family room literally exploded.
>>> Weird I thought, but the pool pump is running normally Not having
>>> had my coffee infusion yet, I proceeded to the kitchen. I flipped on
>>> the kitchen lights and POP! another light bulb explosion. Now it had
>>> my attention.
>>>
>>> I went into the garage, and grabbed my DVM (making sure not to turn
>>> anything on). Going around the house I found some outlets dead, and
>>> some reading 220V. When I encountered the first one at 220V, my next
>>> stop was the main panel, where I flipped off the main breaker.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 1/2/2017 3:16 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 OK, had not consider primaries getting into the drop.  Yeah, that
 could kill everything similar to what she is describing.
 I am wondering if you hit a light bulb with enough voltage to
 vaporize the filament will it over pressure the envelope enough to explode?

 *From:* George Skorup
 *Sent:* Monday, January 02, 2017 4:05 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Smartmeter Security question

 Must have forgot their tin-foil towels.

 I don't know what the voltage would have to be to jump a light
 switch, but I can tell you that I've seen it. A few years ago, a
 tree fell in my sister's neighbor's yard and knocked the primaries
 down on top of her secondaries. So that was at least 12-13kV. It was
 ugly. Whole house had to be rewired.

 On 1/2/2017 12:58 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> *that device knows I woke up to my cell phone alarm at 7 this
> morning, brewed myself a cup of coffee at 7:10, and another at
> 7:25,.and another at 8. Then, I took a shower for 10 minutes and
> washed dishes after that. *
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, January 2, 2017 11:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

[Tyler Treat]

This.  Sadly.
Like anything else.  It's a balancing act.

___


On Dec 12, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:

You can probably guess the answer.  Assuming you're not asking ironically or 
for rhetorical value:  The needs of the business dictate what I need and 
certain employees and officers of the company use iPhones.  Therefore I need a 
VPN solution that works on the current software for that platform.
That is why Apple (indirectly) dictates what I need.


-- Original Message --
From: "Dennis Burgess" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 12/12/2016 10:35:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Easiest VPN on mikrotik

Why does apple dictate what you may need.?

Re: [AFMUG] VPN in to AWS environment.

[Tyler Treat]

That's good to hear.  Once that is operational, does it act like any other Tik?

Thanks
Tyler

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Robbie Wright 
<rob...@siuslawbroadband.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 4:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VPN in to AWS environment.

CHR's work fine at AWS, we've tested them pretty extensively. Getting the 
routing tables and default gateways to work correctly at AWS is the bigger 
issue. You basically turn the CHR into a NAT instance in AWS parlance.


Robbie Wright
Siuslaw Broadband<https://siuslawbroadband.com>
541-902-5101

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Ok folks - how about this scenario.

Say i have a handful of servers in AWS EC2 that I would like to have software 
VPN access to from Phones, laptops, etc.  (ie, this isn't a site to site vpn)
For simplicity's sake, let's say this is a completely isolated environment.  No 
"public" access to said servers.

What would be the best method to accomplish this.  From what I can see, AWS 
will not natively support a client VPN directly to a VPC.
Could you turn up a Mikrotik CHR instance to serve this function?  Would it 
work?

Then scenario B:  if you had both a local VMWare environment, and an AWS 
environment, would you be able to theoretically tunnel between CHR's on both 
sides?
Or is this something that is outright disallowed in AWS?


Thanks
Tyler

[AFMUG] VPN in to AWS environment.

[Tyler Treat]

Ok folks - how about this scenario.

Say i have a handful of servers in AWS EC2 that I would like to have software 
VPN access to from Phones, laptops, etc.  (ie, this isn't a site to site vpn)
For simplicity's sake, let's say this is a completely isolated environment.  No 
"public" access to said servers.

What would be the best method to accomplish this.  From what I can see, AWS 
will not natively support a client VPN directly to a VPC.
Could you turn up a Mikrotik CHR instance to serve this function?  Would it 
work?

Then scenario B:  if you had both a local VMWare environment, and an AWS 
environment, would you be able to theoretically tunnel between CHR's on both 
sides?
Or is this something that is outright disallowed in AWS?


Thanks
Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Tyler Treat]

Same here.  Can't seem to get below $118/month.

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Nov 30, 2016, at 4:52 PM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I was never able to get that much for that little.

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Hey,

Can you skip any commercials, or is that how they are helping pay for the 
service?

With my DISH Network, I can skip all the commercials... plus DVR function, and 
over 250 channels including HBO, Showtime, etc. for less than $50/month. I also 
get all the local channels in HD without having to add another antenna. :)

Travis




On 11/30/2016 1:52 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Damn, I am liking this.??(1/2) And I have tried them all.??(1/2)
??(1/2)
Direct TV Satellite
Dish Network
SlingTV
Sony Playstation VUE
Beehive IPTV
Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
TIVO
??(1/2)
I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.??(1/2)
So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what you 
see on the satellite receiver.??(1/2)
Channel changes are instant.??(1/2)
Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call 
it.??(1/2)
??(1/2)
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
??(1/2)
Two stream limit.??(1/2)
??(1/2)
From: Tyler Treat
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
??(1/2)

??(1/2)

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?


From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Chuck McCown 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
??(1/2)
https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
??(1/2)
I am signing up.??(1/2)

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Tyler Treat]

watching on a laptop HDMI'd to my TV, and I can't pattern it in my tik yet.   
It's all over the place.   seems quite bursty.   Need to queue it and see how 
it behaves.


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Robert Andrews 
<i...@avantwireless.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

But how much bandwidth...  That is the $$ question for us!!

On 11/30/2016 01:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> DVR and pause live stream are lacking.  But you can go do back episodes
> of your favorite shows and they have the fast forward functions etc.
> *From:* Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> ok Chuck, you made me do it!
>
> I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!
>
>
>
> 
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown
> <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> Actually, that isn't true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they
> will be added.
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are
> cached like Netflix.
> You just browse episodes.
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> Does it have a "dvr"?
> On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.
> Direct TV Satellite
> Dish Network
> SlingTV
> Sony Playstation VUE
> Beehive IPTV
> Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
> TIVO
> I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.
> So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar
> to what you see on the satellite receiver.
> Channel changes are instant.
> Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they
> call it.
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> Two stream limit.
> *From:* Tyler Treat
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
> Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
> how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?
>
> 
> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown
> <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
> https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan
> <https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan>
> I am signing up.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Tyler Treat]

It said it's a 32gb 4th gen.

We'll see when it gets here i guess!


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now


So is this a 3rd gen or 4th gen Apple TV?  I thought I heard that Apple was 
discontinuing Apple TV along with Airports, but apparently it is the 3rd gen 
that is being discontinued.  If Direct TV is handing out free 4th gen units, 
those are pricey.  Or are they handing out refurbed 3rd gen or something?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyler Treat
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now



ok Chuck, you made me do it!



I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!











From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now



Actually, that isn't true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they will 
be added.



From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now



No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are cached like 
Netflix.

You just browse episodes.



From: Cameron Crum

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now



Does it have a "dvr"?



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.



Direct TV Satellite

Dish Network

SlingTV

Sony Playstation VUE

Beehive IPTV

Real Choice HTML5 IPTV

TIVO



I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.

So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what you 
see on the satellite receiver.

Channel changes are instant.

Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.



From: Chuck McCown

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now



Two stream limit.



From: Tyler Treat

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now





Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?

how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now



https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan



I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Tyler Treat]

ok Chuck, you made me do it!


I've signed up and am patiently waiting for my appleTV!






From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 3:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Actually, that isn't true.  It is lacking DVR functions, supposedly they will 
be added.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

No, none of them do any more because the episodes of your favs are cached like 
Netflix.
You just browse episodes.

From: Cameron Crum
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Does it have a "dvr"?

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Damn, I am liking this.  And I have tried them all.

Direct TV Satellite
Dish Network
SlingTV
Sony Playstation VUE
Beehive IPTV
Real Choice HTML5 IPTV
TIVO

I wish they would spin a TIVO app or something.
So far, this is the only one with a decent EPG that is very similar to what you 
see on the satellite receiver.
Channel changes are instant.
Now I gotta figure out how to create my favorites or whatever they call it.

From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

Two stream limit.

From: Tyler Treat
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now




Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[Tyler Treat]

Is there a limit on concurrent sessions per user?
how much bandwidth does it suck up per stream?


From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 2:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

https://directvnow.com/accounts/select-plan

I am signing up.

Re: [AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

[Tyler Treat]

thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
im in the webinar, I didnt realize thats what the webinar was when I signed up 
for it but now im all giddy like a school girl

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:55 AM, Joe Novak 
<jno...@lrcomm.com<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>> wrote:
I prefer the Cambium direct link: 
http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/blog/dont-migrate---elevate/

Very interesting indeed... very interesting.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:

This ought to shake things up a bit.



http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/


[http://www.businesswire.com/images/bwlogo_square.png]<http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/>

/<http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/>
www.businesswire.com<http://www.businesswire.com>
/






--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.






--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Nicely done, Cambium!

[Tyler Treat]

This ought to shake things up a bit.


http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161130005468/en/


[http://www.businesswire.com/images/bwlogo_square.png]

/
www.businesswire.com
/

Re: [AFMUG] Well this caught me by surprise.

[Tyler Treat]

Yep. I mean I certainly get it, just didn't expect it.

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Nov 3, 2016, at 12:16 PM, Nate Burke 
<n...@blastcomm.com<mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>> wrote:

I haven't heard of them, but I guess it makes sense.  Don't they have fiber 
laid on most of their ROW next to the tracks.  And they go through many many 
small towns.

On 11/3/2016 12:01 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:
Saw this on Facebook. Since when did UP WISP?

https://up.jobs/job/opening/Breeze%20Broadband%20Communications%20Year%20Round%20Intern/Omaha/NE/080686?jsl=26108143


___
Mangled by my iPhone.
_______
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___

[AFMUG] Well this caught me by surprise.

[Tyler Treat]

Saw this on Facebook. Since when did UP WISP?

https://up.jobs/job/opening/Breeze%20Broadband%20Communications%20Year%20Round%20Intern/Omaha/NE/080686?jsl=26108143


___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

[Tyler Treat]

It's usually in bitcoin i think.


From: Af  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

Just a thought...since it's social engineering anyway...

What if you called and asked when the files would be returned to you?  Say you 
paid an hour ago but it still hasn't been fixed.

Maybe give them a credit card that you don't use often and pay the bill with 
that, then when you get your files nuke the machine and dispute the 
charge/cancel the card.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
The ransomware is still on the computer after you pay the ransom, right?  So 
the only way to stop them from hitting you again when they're hard up for 
cocaine money is to invest a lot in IT fixes anyway.  Same problem, except if 
you pay the ransom maybe you get your data back.  But paying the ransom also 
encourages them to keep doing it to other people, and maybe contributes to the 
ongoing problem.  I guess it comes down to whether you have enough of it backed 
up.


-- Original Message --
From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 9/30/2016 9:54:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

the ransoms are relatively cheap if youre not a targeted corportation, running 
between 150 and 8The amount of work stoppage and time investment alot of people 
put into this exceeds the ransom anyway

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:
FireEye was providing a decrypt tool for the original Cryptolocker but likely 
you are out of luck.  Find a backup, pay the ransom, or kiss your data goodbye.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Ransomware

Depends on the ransomware.  I found a decryption tool for my mom's computer 
when she managed to get it infected - depends on the particular flavor I'm 
sure.  I think this one had .crypt or .crypted extensions on all the files.  I 
did need an copy of one of the encrypted files prior to the infection for the 
program to do its job though.

On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 12:14 AM, Travis Johnson 
> wrote:
Hi,

One of our office computers was just infected with "ransomware". It has 
encrypted all the files on that computer, plus many files on a server that 
computer was connected to.

Any ideas or suggestions on the best way to try and fix/remove this crap and 
unencrypt all the files?

Travis




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] the future of internet security

[Tyler Treat]

So lots of things - I just woke up so bear with me:
Most are dominant on the Corp side, but are migrating to SMB.

2FA/MFA is big and getting bigger.  Most of your major players support native 
integration with a 2FA provider.   For example: log in to your company VPN with 
you AD credentials, Duo sends a push notification to your device that you 
accept before you're allowed in.  Same goes for Windows servers.
Yes, pretty much block all access that's not needed.  Allow VPN from the world 
if you have to.  Require access to anything else to be across the VPN.
Microsoft has "Direct Access" which implements a seamless behind the scenes 
tunnel back to the "inside" of your network, though it requires IPv6 on any 
internal resource you need to access.
  Lots of things changing in the Windows world.  Hybrid Cloud/On-Prem networks 
are starting to pop up, where you can be on net at the office with your local 
DC's, then talk to the great DC in the sky when you're on the road.
The key is that no matter where you're at, you're sending all your traffic 
through your corporate controls.
Mobile Device Management suites are doing the same thing for phones and tablets.
Citrix and / or VDI has its use case too, where you can keep all the data in 
your friendly confines, and only send pictures across the wire.  Admittedly 
more useful for helping with running "heavy" apps across the network for 
performance reasons, but there's a security play there as well.
SQL injection is happening all the time as well, so be protective of your 
Webapps.
Full disk encryption has it's place as well.
I was at a Sophos meeting the others day where they claim to be able to stop 
Cryptolocker etc with their new "CloudIntercept" product.  Certainly seems like 
a steep claim, but it's interesting.

Which leaves you.  You are the weakest link in all of this.  Lots of stats out 
there about the percentage of hacks linked to social engineering.  
Phishing/Whaling via email is a huge deal right now and the emails are getting 
better all the time.
Phone scams are still prevalent too.
At the end of the day, it's all time and money.  If you're targeted by someone 
who has one or both, they're going to get in some way.  Your goal should be to 
raise the bar high enough that the dumb easy shit doesn't compromise you and 
that you have an active, well rehearsed recovery plan for anything critical.


___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Sep 30, 2016, at 1:22 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
<par...@cyberbroadband.net<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


to be COMPLETELY ANAL i suppose you could deny ALL incoming access and permit 
ONLY the ip addresses you work from.
then it is more work whenever you change a connection but i am aware of that 
policy.
additionally, i suppose someone could spoof your ip.

I keep hearing other security holes are large enterprise environments.  you 
might lock the heck down on the corp network but then joe blow uses his company 
provided ipad with 4glte internet and connects right into something that isn't 
controlled by the internal network security policy and someone comes in that 
way

robots, aren't they great?  Script kiddies


- Original Message -
From: CBB - Jay Fuller<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:10 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of internet security


i truly believe about 80% of all hacking is social engineering - -

convince the company to let you in - - you're with the phone company to get 
faster internet.  let me in the server room.
i guessed my ex-girlfriend's cat's name.

i have no idea what is involved in hacking the DNC phone records or hillary's 
emails...

probably not social engineering.  weak passwords?
I know looking at a mikrotik log there are tons tons tons tons of random ips 
guessing root passwords...
i usually just disable those ports.


- Original Message -
From: CBB - Jay Fuller<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:00 AM
Subject: the future of internet security


Travis brings up a very good point with his randomware query.and i caught 
the tail end of a discussion with i think it was cisco on some tv channel that 
i thought also raised some very good points.

One thing I always like about trade shows and user group get togethers is 
conversations about topics like this.

on tv the point was made that the internet is no longer coming "into one 
business" or a clearly defined demarcation point.
with the advent of internet of things and distributed work environments there 
is no longer just one place to look at securing.

as i thought about this it

Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

[Tyler Treat]

and corn.  lots and lots of corn.



From: Af  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:22 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question


Illinois has open spaces?  I thought it was all concrete jungles
...

On Sep 29, 2016 12:18 PM, "Ken Hohhof" 
> wrote:
Just to make clear where I’m coming from, we are out in the country and have 
people killed fairly regularly at RR crossings without gates or signals.  Roads 
cross RR tracks at an angle, and I hate the limited visibility out of a cargo 
van and anything that further restricts the visibility, I have even considered 
getting glass in the passenger side sliding door because that’s a blind spot at 
some of these RR crossings.  Luckily the sand trains are slow.  The Amtrak 
trains though will kill you.  I have 2 customers with family members who 
experienced death by Amtrak.  They do typically put gates at crossings after 
someone is killed.  For example 18th Rd. by Leland, and 23rd Rd. by Somonauk, 
and that’s just one 5 mile stretch of track.  Personally, I want to see both 
ways even if there is a gate.

There’s also the constant risk of backing over someone’s mailbox, I guess a 
backup camera would take care of that.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question


+1

On Sep 29, 2016 12:55 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
> wrote:
I can give a first hand example from my EMS days of where they would have saved 
a person. A "woman" was driving a cargo van and got in a wreck, the front end 
crumpled, drivers door was seized, items from the back speared through the 
drivers seat.on her right side. fuel ignited under the vehicle. The accident 
was 8 miles out from our ambulance garage, getting through town and to the 
scene was probably all told 10-12 minutes
bystanders stopped to help, she was begging and pleading for them to get her 
out. Theycould not open the drivers door, but were able to get the passenger 
door opened. the fire engulfed the engine compartment. we were advised of the 
consious alert patient and the fire via radio so we put the hammer down.
By the time we arrived, we assisted the bystanders with their burns, they drove 
themselves to the hospital.
We then waited on scene for the coroner, and assisted with the body removal. 
Just fyi, toss a hot dog in a campfire and let it burn, thats what a fresh burn 
corpse smells like.
One of the bystanders to this day still isnt right in the head having had to 
back out of a burning vehicle and listen helplessly to a person burn alive.

The short of the story is who really gives a shit what the law is. cargo 
vehicles need them, especially utility

Its inconvenient as hell to have to harness up and hook lanyard all the way up 
a tower. Ive never seen somebody fall off a tower. see what im saying?

On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 12:21 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:
He's a witch, burn him.
On 9/29/2016 12:03 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Say 4.4 lbs.  (2 kG)   88 fps (26.83 m/s)

1/2 M V^2  so 1 * 26.83 * 26.83 =  718 joules

9mm pistol bullet muzzle energy is 519 joules

That felt good to get my math on this morning...

From: George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

F=ma? I have no doubt a big ass drill bit going 60MPH could penetrate someone's 
skull.
On 9/29/2016 11:52 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Put the drill at 88fps and 35lbs. Cloth seat.

On Sep 29, 2016 11:44 AM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:

Can't put more into it than it has to begin with. If the truck is going 88 fps, 
and runs into an impenetrable barrier (brick wall would be close), and 
"instantly" stopped. The drill bit "might" continue at that 88 fps. It can't go 
faster than that.

bp




On 9/29/2016 9:39 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Add in the G force of near instantaneous deceleration...

On Sep 29, 2016 11:30 AM, "Bill Prince" 
> wrote:

That sounds like an urban myth. It would take near-ballistic speeds (~~ 
600-1000 fps) to drive a drill bit like that.

Driving a truck into a brick wall at 60 MPH, would only get you ~~ 88 fps.



bp




On 9/29/2016 8:35 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I didn't see it personally, but I'm told a guy here crashed an F-150 and the 
drill with 18" bit on it flew forward from the back of the cab and the drill 
bit poked right through the front seat.  Missed him by inches.

I 

Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

[Tyler Treat]

I left the center door out of the divider in the full size Chevy van that i 
had.  It was handy to toss trash in the back when you were up front []

Originally took the door out because the damn thing rattled too much and drove 
me crazy.   Didn't think much of the safety aspect of it since there wasn't a 
center seat, just a big steel box/console.   Probably helped that there was a 
big Weatherguard 3 drawer pull out deal that spanned most of the width of the 
van.  Made for a good bolt bin / storage area for little crap that you'd 
otherwise lose.   Then a little toolbox for hand tools bolted to the top of 
that until the lock broke and I couldn't keep it closed anymore.  So all in 
all, there was about 2' - 3' of door opening exposed at the top.




From: Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 7:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

We mainly put them in because our drivers like them. They make them feel safer. 
We have cowards; what can I say? Anyway, none of ours have walk through doors 
they have a fixed panel instead. In our area, Texas Hot, I mainly like them as 
it keeps the front cooler. We have windowless vans and my guys put lexan sheets 
over the grill area and fill the gaps around the corners the same way.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 8:14 PM Joe Novak 
> wrote:

The only time I had stuff go flying is when I took the work van into the ditch 
due to black ice on hwy 39. The old Astro vans at that time had the cage behind 
the seats but the mid section/door removed.

Stuff really goes when you hit the snow filled ditch at 65. I honestly had very 
little reason to believe conditions where bad... it was a sunny day but frosty. 
Maybe 5 degrees out. The snow from the ditches was blowing out into the road 
way (not very obviously).

The wind took the back of the van and "redirected" me into the ditch. Astro 
vans do not have much weight in the rear and the road was a ice sheet.

Can definitely be unexpected. Quite a few of the things in the back ended up in 
the front cab. Nothing hit me thankfully.

On Sep 28, 2016 7:12 PM, "Ken Hohhof" > 
wrote:
Some partitions (e.g. Adrian Steel) are ordered as 3 panels.  I wonder if it 
would be acceptable to just install the side panels and leave out the center 
panel.

The ones that let you stow a 6 ft stepladder sideways at the bottom are clever.


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

I don’t know that there is any legal requirement, but I wouldn’t want to have 
an employee injured in a work van without one and have to deal with that.   I 
suppose in your van you can do what you want :-)

I have had one (ex) employee total a Sprinter in a front end collision.  There 
was a lot of stuff up against the partition.   Just about ripped the ladder 
rack off the top.

Mark

On Sep 28, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Ken Hohhof 
> wrote:

Is there any legal or insurance requirement to have one of these?  I hate them, 
and while I understand they are to prevent decapitation by a flying object from 
the cargo area, I can’t recall ever having such a flying object.

I like having a rear window on the van for visibility, and even with a backup 
camera and sideview mirrors, being able to see out the back is nice.

Are there other advantages to them?  I guess the AC and heater might work 
better if isolated from the cargo space.  I’ve seen claims it makes the cabin 
quieter, but anytime I’ve driven a van with a partition, there has been an 
annoying rattle from the door to the back.  I could maybe see if you could put 
some shelving units up against the back of the partition.  That might even make 
a van with dual sliding side doors viable.

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Tyler Treat]

Looks like this outfit could do that type of thing...   Not sure if volume 
would be an issue though.


http://www.evsmetal.com/work#towork-1



From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

Back when I was in the telephone equipment industry, there were a bazillion 
custom sheet metal shops in and around Addison, IL.  I don't know how many are 
still around.  One we used a lot was TJ Fabricators.


From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

I would check with Kam Fab near Austin TX.
They make all kinds of sheet metal stuff.

Good luck.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com


 Original message 
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
Date: 9/15/16 6:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

@!#?@!.

My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.   Lots 
of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months, but now it 
comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first batch, and well.. 
nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and asking for 
instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get them to quit 
responding.

I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on vacation, 
they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.

If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in reasonable 
quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year, hopefully lots more 
than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price, I'd appreciate the lead.

I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW, Hammond, 
Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get them modified 
at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past experience indicates to 
me that there is a good chance that this isn't going to be productive, which is 
why I'm asking.

--
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Six Seater Truck

[Tyler Treat]

Now if we could just get an ecoboost V8!

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tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
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On Sep 7, 2016, at 6:09 PM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I thought Ford "Ecoboost" meant you got a smaller engine but with 
turbochargers.  My impression was same power, less gas.  Sounds like you're 
saying there's more power there too.



-- Original Message --
From: "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/7/2016 5:51:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Six Seater Truck


We love our F-150. The back seat of the supercrew is the size of a gymnasium. 
Alternatively, there's room for a dog sled team in the back seat. Get it with 
the front bench seat, and it seats 6 very comfortably. Get it with the ecoboost 
engine, and you'll be shutting down Mustangs at the track.


bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>



On 9/7/2016 2:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
I just need a pickup truck, light duty, six seater.

Mostly to haul stuff around town, but occasionally to get up the mountain.

Already have a car for my 16 year old and a minivan.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Six Seater Truck

Are you sure you don't want to buy 2 vehicles, a $10K car/SUV and a $10K truck?

Or will it need to hold 6 people comfortably and perform truck duty 
simultaneously?

Also, I'm assuming that by "truck" you mean a pickup truck.


From: Sterling Jacobson<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 8:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Six Seater Truck

Thanks everyone, good information.

I start shopping this month.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2016 8:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Six Seater Truck

My 2013 Ford F-150 super crew v6 ecoboost will fit 6 comfortably. 3 in the 
back, 3 in the front after folding the center console up. Seat belts for all as 
well. I get approx. 20mpg and with the ecoboost I can pull my fully loaded 21ft 
camper as if it weren't there.

On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Funny story about those, they were shipped with seats in the back to avoid the 
"chicken tax". Google it.

On Sep 1, 2016 7:30 PM, "Chuck McCown" 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Subaru Brat.

-Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2016 6:28 PM
To: 'af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>'
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Six Seater Truck

I've never owned a truck for myself, but I want to buy one now and need some 
help.

I really want to buy the new Ford Raptor, lol!

But my wife mandated that the truck seat six people and cost $10k-$20k.

So I'll have to wait a couple of years until my oldest son leaves the house 
before I go for the Raptor I guess.

I have no idea which model/make of trucks are capable of seating all six of our 
family.

What are some options I would be looking at?

And what is a 'good' truck in this price range?

Someone told me the Dodge truck after year 2012 is the best value.

Never owned a Dodge though, so I'm not sure about that.

I like Toyota, so the Tundra looks appealing, and I think some versions of it 
seat six with the fold down console in the middle, right?

But those are expensive.

I sold all my water toys since Utah Lake is now a mud puddle, so I don't really 
have much need for towing capacity right now.

Re: [AFMUG] Frequency Planning / Coordination software

[Tyler Treat]

but only after they penetrated the internet to defeat UBNT.


From: Af  on behalf of Josh Luthman 

Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 9:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Frequency Planning / Coordination software


They built a firewall to make it great again

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 3, 2016 10:34 AM, "Chuck McCown" 
> wrote:
Ahh, so that is why the GUI is so slow

From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 8:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Frequency Planning / Coordination software

I heard there is a Trump sticker inside every EPMP case

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:

Sounds Aryan


On Aug 3, 2016 8:03 AM, "Ken Hohhof" > 
wrote:
Is that Cambium PureTM?  Sounds like an organic food brand or an abstinence 
pledge.

From: David
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 8:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Frequency Planning / Coordination software

Cambium Link planner.
Of course we are cambium pure which makes it easy.


On 08/02/2016 02:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
Anyone know of any software out there that we could enter all our
�
Sites
Backhauls
AP�s
Frequencies
sector directions and beam widths
�
and it would show possible interference?
�
We are getting so many towers now that 5 GHz planning is getting more and more 
difficult.� Trying to keep track of all the frequencies, angles etc.
�
Thanks
�
Adam




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Crouch, Idaho

[Tyler Treat]

I hope so - right now society pretty much sucks anyways.

One thing you didn't see there (at least on video) was fighting.   Everyone was 
just happy and living life.   Sure it was ripe with the potential for injuries, 
but if someone wants to make poor choices that doesn't affect anyone else, why 
not.  I doubt anyone was there under protest.  Honestly, I was surprised to see 
people rocking safety glasses...or at least something resembling them.
The only thing i didn't care for was all the *small* kiddos running around - 
Their dbag parents were probably wasted and needed a DD though.  I feel bad for 
them - but they sure wont forget that year they got to drive dads truck home 
from the party.

Interesting nugget - Wiki says population was 162 as of 2010.  Would have been 
a good time to rob some houses if burglary tickles your fancy.

Looks like a good time though




From: Af  on behalf of Jaime Solorza 

Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 7:34 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Crouch, Idaho


End of society as we know it

On Jul 6, 2016 11:17 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" 
> wrote:
Here's what the 4th of July looks like for your typical western state rural 
WISP customers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT8XxXXi7rk=desktop

Re: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?

[Tyler Treat]

Looks good from Baltimore!


From: Af  on behalf of can...@believewireless.net 

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] mccowntech.com Down?

I'm getting a 502 Bad Gateway error. Tried from two different connections.

Re: [AFMUG] Squirrel proofing

[Tyler Treat]

I concur.  
Squirrel is good eats. 

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Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. 

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


> On Jun 2, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net> wrote:
> 
> 22long with a scope?  
> 
> 
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 10:01 PM
> To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: [AFMUG] Squirrel proofing
> 
> Any grand suggestions on rodent and bird proofing cables secured to a wood 
> phone pole? It seems either squirrels or wood peckers attacked one of our 
> sites.

Re: [AFMUG] Pricing for Managed Customer Routers?

[Tyler Treat]

I think the key takeaway is that they're going to make that call anyways.  You 
might as well get *something* out of the deal besides a nightmarish opinion of 
the caller.

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Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Jun 1, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello ISP, it's 3 am and I've just purchased a new $40 7" tablet from walmart, 
when I go to chickswithdicks.com<http://chickswithdicks.com> I am not getting 
the correct type of porno, it's redirecting me to something else, please 
provide technical support.

my nightmare

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
"managed wifi" means they can call us at anytime for help with anything they 
need their router to do.  wifi password, parental controls, port forwarding etc.

we receive exactly zero calls per month from our clients that have our calix 
gigacenter 844E :-)

-Sean


On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:29 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
what does managed wifi consist of?

We opted not to do anything with the free wireless we give out beyond shutting 
it off if they have problems. Too many customers who want the equipment 
installed in their basement and coverage to their detached garage, inside their 
refrigerator, up in the attic, through 7 walls and a TV no thank you

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
we charge a $99 "setup fee" for our "managed wifi service" which costs $12/mo.

the router remains our property and we replace it if need be.

At that price i expected the take rate to be lower than what it is (we priced 
it high so that we could run specials ;-) but we've been very pleased with the 
take rate.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Christopher Gray 
<cg...@graytechsoftware.com<mailto:cg...@graytechsoftware.com>> wrote:
All this looking cnPilot and GigaCenter has me thinking about pricing models 
for managed customer routers...

What pricing models are others using for the R200/R201/844E managed home 
routers? Do you sell the customer the router, lease it, just give it, charge 
for management, sell it without management, etc?


[During a promotional time, I have been using the R200 and sell it to new 
customers for $50 (at a loss to help adoption). Then, I don't charge for remote 
management. I've been pretty pleased, but I'm debating whether to sell the 
router (since it requires convincing the customer) or just including it. Also, 
I want to start charging for management, but I'm not sure what a reasonable 
rate is. I recognize it will vary by area, but I'm looking for some ballpark 
numbers.]

Thank you,
Chris




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] TeamViewer hacked

[Tyler Treat]

Absolutely

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On Jun 1, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

With the number of password databases that've been leaked recently (LinkedIn, 
Tumblr) and the number of people who use the SAME PASSWORD FOR EVERYTHING, of 
course automated scans will turn up a lot of freely accessible systems...



On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:15 PM, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:

likely China has simply added teamviewer to their ip scans where they're trying 
passwords.   knowing most humans are creatures of habit, their windows 
passwords is probably the same as their teamviewer/email/bank/etc






From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Eric 
Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TeamViewer hacked

Teamviewer isn't "hacked", they're taking a >130Gbps DDoS to their DNS 
infrastructure at the moment...

The previous issue is from people re-using the same password on multiple sites, 
and creating teamviewer instances on their workstation PCs with the same 
passwords. Nobody has identified a remote 'hole' in teamviewer.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
http://www.inquisitr.com/3156809/teamviewer-accounts-hacked-thousands-of-customers-vulnerable/

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

"A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz." ~Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] TeamViewer hacked

[Tyler Treat]

likely China has simply added teamviewer to their ip scans where they're trying 
passwords.   knowing most humans are creatures of habit, their windows 
passwords is probably the same as their teamviewer/email/bank/etc






From: Af  on behalf of Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TeamViewer hacked

Teamviewer isn't "hacked", they're taking a >130Gbps DDoS to their DNS 
infrastructure at the moment...

The previous issue is from people re-using the same password on multiple sites, 
and creating teamviewer instances on their workstation PCs with the same 
passwords. Nobody has identified a remote 'hole' in teamviewer.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:51 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
http://www.inquisitr.com/3156809/teamviewer-accounts-hacked-thousands-of-customers-vulnerable/

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz." ~Humphrey Bogart

Re: [AFMUG] Urgently need Exchange DB Guru

[Tyler Treat]

I can't fully disagree with the your email Josh - for customers.   
That said, in a large, and growing office environment, it's hard to match the 
featureset of exchange if you're willing to pay for it every couple revisions...
Then if you dump office365 into the mix for ultra small headcount orgs who 
don't want/cant justify servers and maintenance, it's pretty slick.   

Disclaimer: I've never knowingly used zimbra, so it may be just as good if 
you've got someone who can make it dance.   



From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 1:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Urgently need Exchange DB Guru

[1] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the experience of a large email provider
[2] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the hardware redundancy of a
large email provider
[3] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the software redundancy of a
large email provider
[4] As a small to medium ISP, you likely have other, more important
duties besides worrying about managing your own email server
[5] As a small to medium ISP, you lack the dedicated team a large
email provider has to help get off / stay off blacklists
[6] As a small to medium ISP, internal per user mail cost via cloud
provider is a very efficient use of opex given the above
[7] As a small to medium ISP, you can only "do better" than the above
in cost alone.
[8] As a small to medium ISP, If cost is the only importance when it
comes to mail, use Zimbra, Sendmail, etc.
[9] As a small to medium ISP, if you INSIST on offering hosted mail to
customers, consider Sendmail. Sendmail has been used by a metric
asston of ISPs - potentially serving several billion customers over
the years. It is very well tested and supported.
[10] As a small to medium ISP, if you INSIST on offering hosted mail
to customers and don't like Sendmail, consider Zimbra. Zimbra will
offer you support and features very similar to Exchange with a much
lower cost. Your end user devices won't know there is a difference.

Somebody is going to come up with certain experiences they've had
running Exchange, or Qmail, or $whatever. That's fine, you experience
and opinions are no less relevant.

Now I'm going to bow out, and maybe watch the carnage unfold after I
finish making this new ansible/Juniper playbook :)

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:13 PM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:
> 1.. exchange is easy.
> 2. why works great!
>
>
>
>
> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 12:52 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Urgently need Exchange DB Guru
>
> [1] Good luck with getting it fixed
>
> [2] Get the fuck off exchange
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>> thanks!
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 1:35 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Keith Willis with Progent
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Gino Villarini 
>>> wrote:

 We have a issue with our Exchange server.  The database does not mount.
 Any recommendations for a Exchange Professional?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Home automation

[Tyler Treat]

I've got several Wink things, and they seem to work ok.  I had issues for a 
while with GE Link bulbs dropping connection to the hub but that seems to be 
resolved.  They need a non-cutesy hub that I can stick in the rack and feed 
Ethernet to that will just work.  Too much shit is wifi only these days.  Maybe 
could have a sort of mesh repeater to get to far corners of the house if needed.
WeMo used to be ultra crap, now it's just sorta crap.
And everyone seems to be in a mad dash to integrate with Nest(Google) so they 
don't get left behind or to get on the radar for acquisition

Food for thought- try to go for the smart switches rather than smart bulbs.  
I've got a dozen or so GE link bulbs and then my kids (...and wife) just wind 
up randomly shutting off the switch and they don't automate.  A smart switch 
would at least return to the state programmed at scheduled time.

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On May 29, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


Tried Wink.  Neat but anything but simple/turnkey.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On May 29, 2016 8:59 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
Is anyone out there doing anything with installation / sales on home automation 
gear? What equipment have you had luck with?

[AFMUG] ISO: Physical Security Vendor - Baltimore Area

[Tyler Treat]

Hi folks!

I'm looking for a couple vendor contacts in the Baltimore, Md. area who are 
comfortable / experienced in the Data Center space.


Should be fluent in:


Analog & IP Cameras / DVRs

Honeywell Access Control Systems

Biometric Access solutions.

Proximity Access Solutions

Unification for all of the above!


Wanting to take a nice look at the physical security of our HQ and Data Center 
facilities, and at this point I'm not 100% comfortable with the abilities of 
the current vendor.


Thanks in advance!

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] AF24HD feedback

[Tyler Treat]

...Primarily because I've never heard of the Metrolinq units.   :-)  I've used 
standard AF24's before without issue, but zero experience at 60ghz.

What kind of capacity is available there? Price Point?

Is it suitable for Central Illinois?



I'm shooting for best match of uptime + capacity - One building will contain 
our business intelligence/big data folks, who regularly slam their existing 
100x100 fiber.



I guess one question I have is - will I be able to turn down the AF power far 
enough at that range to avoid harming them?











-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 7:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF24HD feedback



500ft ?  Why the AF24HD ? make sure you turn the power way down .

Your seperation between the two units is fine. You are not going to have an 
issue, just make sure your Master Slave setup matches (Master for each link on 
the same side).



For such short distance you might also consider looking at the Ignite Metrolinq 
60ghz units...



Regards.



Faisal Imtiaz

Snappy Internet & Telecom

7266 SW 48 Street

Miami, FL 33155

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232



Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>



- Original Message -

> From: "Tyler Treat" 
> <tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>>

> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>

> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 6:53:54 PM

> Subject: [AFMUG] AF24HD feedback



> We're kicking around ordering a pair of AF24HD links to hook up a

> couple new buildings about 500' away from our main campus.

> Does anyone have feedback on these units?

> Both links would come back to the same rooftop, but 25 - 50 feet apart

> horizontally. Roughly 40 degrees of directional separation between the two

> paths.   Will this separation allow us to reach the full potential of these

> radios?

>

> Good or bad experiences with these?  Am I crazy?

>

> Thanks!

> Tyler

> ___

> Mangled by my iPhone.

> ___

[AFMUG] AF24HD feedback

[Tyler Treat]

We're kicking around ordering a pair of AF24HD links to hook up a couple new 
buildings about 500' away from our main campus.   
Does anyone have feedback on these units?   
Both links would come back to the same rooftop, but 25 - 50 feet apart 
horizontally. Roughly 40 degrees of directional separation between the two 
paths.   Will this separation allow us to reach the full potential of these 
radios?

Good or bad experiences with these?  Am I crazy?

Thanks!
Tyler
___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Tyler Treat]

At my day job we were approved just after depletion.   We're something like 
#145 on the waiting list, and that's just for a /24.

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Jan 20, 2016, at 12:00 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

I got a v4 block in May 2015...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 12:56 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.

But I can't.

ARIN won't give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was no 
way to obtain it.
I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I'll start using that as much as 
possible to avoid crap like this.
I'm sure that comes with its own problems though.

I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.
But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some foreign 
country, lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take your 
correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From Netflix's 
perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are more 
likely to contain VPN endpoints.
I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
It may be that.

I get my IPv4 from a data center.
They are my upstream provider.
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.

I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com<http://abc.com> and a few 
others a year ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at 
the same time.

All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

If you don't have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from?  
That may be part of the story.

From: Sterling Jacobson<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Except that I'm not on VPN or proxy.

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

Doesn't that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

So I'm stuck without their help.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix


Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content
On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN,

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Tyler Treat]

How do I find such organizations?  Do I need to go through the Arin portal?

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Jan 20, 2016, at 8:01 AM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


Grey market vendors are fine, that's where everybody else is getting theirs. 
$10/ip

On Jan 19, 2016 11:57 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.

But I can't.

ARIN won't give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was no 
way to obtain it.
I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I'll start using that as much as 
possible to avoid crap like this.
I'm sure that comes with its own problems though.

I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.
But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some foreign 
country, lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take your 
correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From Netflix's 
perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are more 
likely to contain VPN endpoints.
I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
It may be that.

I get my IPv4 from a data center.
They are my upstream provider.
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.

I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com<http://abc.com> and a few 
others a year ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at 
the same time.

All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

If you don't have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from?  
That may be part of the story.

From: Sterling Jacobson<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Except that I'm not on VPN or proxy.

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

Doesn't that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

So I'm stuck without their help.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix


Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content
On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through a datacenter.

I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com<http://abc.com> 
Disney.com<h

Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked Netflix

[Tyler Treat]

That answers that.
Thanks!

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
___
Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Jan 20, 2016, at 8:08 AM, Josh Baird 
<joshba...@gmail.com<mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

http://www.ipv4auctions.com/

.. is a popular marketplace for IPv4.  No, it's not cheap.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Grey market vendors are fine, that's where everybody else is getting theirs. 
$10/ip

On Jan 19, 2016 11:57 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4.

But I can't.

ARIN won't give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was no 
way to obtain it.
I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I'll start using that as much as 
possible to avoid crap like this.
I'm sure that comes with its own problems though.

I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center.
But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some foreign 
country, lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take your 
correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From Netflix's 
perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space are more 
likely to contain VPN endpoints.
I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
It may be that.

I get my IPv4 from a data center.
They are my upstream provider.
The blocks are SWIPed to my company though.

I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com<http://abc.com> and a few 
others a year ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at 
the same time.

All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer have 
issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done).

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

If you don't have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks from?  
That may be part of the story.

From: Sterling Jacobson<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix

Except that I'm not on VPN or proxy.

So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN.

Doesn't that break net neutrality for me?
Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it.

I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and 
details.

Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working.

Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN.
I DID that and they denied saying they have no more.

So I'm stuck without their help.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for blocked 
Netflix


Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget over 
a month ago there content providers are forcing  them so when there telling you 
nothing they can do to help there telling the truth

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:

Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your users 
are having issues watching content
On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Try NANOG?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" 
<sterl...@avative.net<mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> wrote:
Anyone else start getting these calls today?

My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work.

But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is VPN, 
Proxy or using an Unblocker.

Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, blaming it 
on the ISP.

I'm sick of this crap.

The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, probably 
with I

Re: [AFMUG] website design feedback - please check!

[Tyler Treat]

Lots of people pronounce it "fax".

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
_______

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Jan 10, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:


F A Q.

NASA.

?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 10, 2016 9:11 PM, "Simon Westlake" 
<simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>> wrote:
The dictionary definition of an initialism is an abbreviation you'd pronounce 
the individual letters off, which wouldn't be the case for me pronouncing 
either 'FAQ' or 'NASA', but I am not sure how they pronounce these things in 
Ohio ;)

On 1/10/2016 8:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

FAQ is an initialism.  NASA is an acronym.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jan 10, 2016 9:05 PM, "Simon Westlake" 
<simon@sonar.software><mailto:simon@sonar.software> wrote:
No, background doesn't show up for me. The few things I noticed clicking around:

The quantity of symbols on the front page seems excessive. Things like 
'Awesome' and 'Simple' are overkill IMO, it detracts from the rest of the 
messaging because they're pretty vague.
Some grammatical errors too like 'We are Provide Top Notch Support.' Same with 
the 'We are local' one. Some spelling mistakes in the 'What is Gigabit1' 
section on front page too (e.g. effectivly should be effectively, 'bulding' on 
'For Home' section should be 'Building')
Faq should be FAQ (it's an acronym)
Video on front page obviously needs replacing :)

Otherwise, looks good to me.

On 1/10/2016 7:54 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Loads up but background does not showalso check specially versus especially 
with word smiths on list.

On Jan 10, 2016 6:40 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
<ginovi...@gmail.com<mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
hi guys! spent most of the weekend doing a website for our new mdu project

please check it out! feedback appreciated!

its currently being hosted on a test site:

http://gigabit1.x10host.com/

please let me know if a background image is being loaded in the faq page... its 
not loading for me!


--
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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>
Phone: (702) 447-1247<tel:%28702%29%20447-1247>
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software


--
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Skype: Simon_Sonar
Email: simon@sonar.software<mailto:simon@sonar.software>
Phone: (702) 447-1247<tel:%28702%29%20447-1247>
---
Sonar Software Inc
The next generation of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software

Re: [AFMUG] YHTI - Lake of the Ozarks - Best hotel wifi I've ever had....

[Tyler Treat]

Ah yes. That must be them.

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Mangled by my iPhone.
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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Jan 3, 2016, at 12:07 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


BTW: https://www.yhti.net/yhti-wireless.php

On Jan 2, 2016 5:04 PM, "Tyler Treat" 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Now granted, we're in the off season - but it's working great.
Noticed some flavor of what appeared to be a licensed link on top of the 
elevator shaft. .
Usually hotels have a random splash page and crap 1.5x256 for guest wifi.

Re: [AFMUG] YHTI - Lake of the Ozarks - Best hotel wifi I've ever had....

[Tyler Treat]

Haha yeah.  We don't go nice places often.  And even some of the nicer chains 
I've been at are garbage. Paywall. Join our points program etc and get "free" 
slow wifi.

It wasn't over the top fast, but it was solid and responsive.

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
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On Jan 3, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


That's the best hotel WiFi you've had? :P

I will agree that normal low priced hotel chains and hotel/venue combo 
buildings normally have crap internet, but I have been to more than a few that 
have had nice Ruckus/moto APs in each room. Solid speed tests in the 50-100Mbps 
range, though in 2016 that's going to look very slow to some.

On Jan 2, 2016 5:04 PM, "Tyler Treat" 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Now granted, we're in the off season - but it's working great.
Noticed some flavor of what appeared to be a licensed link on top of the 
elevator shaft. .
Usually hotels have a random splash page and crap 1.5x256 for guest wifi.

Re: [AFMUG] YHTI - Lake of the Ozarks - Best hotel wifi I've everhad....

[Tyler Treat]

Neither.  I'll use cellular.  If it's not worth using, why have it.
"Free WiFi" is a marketing checkbox that used to matter.  Nowadays, it's just 
expected.

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
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On Jan 3, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

What is better, crap internet that is free or paying $20/day when you are in a 
fancy hotel...?

From: Josh Reynolds<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2016 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] YHTI - Lake of the Ozarks - Best hotel wifi I've 
everhad


That's the best hotel WiFi you've had? :P

I will agree that normal low priced hotel chains and hotel/venue combo 
buildings normally have crap internet, but I have been to more than a few that 
have had nice Ruckus/moto APs in each room. Solid speed tests in the 50-100Mbps 
range, though in 2016 that's going to look very slow to some.

On Jan 2, 2016 5:04 PM, "Tyler Treat" 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Now granted, we're in the off season - but it's working great.
Noticed some flavor of what appeared to be a licensed link on top of the 
elevator shaft. .
Usually hotels have a random splash page and crap 1.5x256 for guest wifi.

Re: [AFMUG] I don't always drink beer... oh wait I do

[Tyler Treat]

Sadly true. 

  
But. 
I've got a 4 hour road trip to the Ozarks at 6am tomorrow with a 1 and 3 year 
old.  

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Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. 
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
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> On Dec 31, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
> 
> You're running a little low.
> 
> Tyler Treat wrote:
>> It is that time, indeed.  Happy New Year!
>> image1.jpeg
>> ___
>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>> ___
>> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 9:06 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tecate of course.. happy new year from The McMillan in Flagstaff...salud y 
>>> prospero ano nuevo a todos... ajuaa
>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Tik VPN: best trade off between performance and security

[Tyler Treat]

love this.



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Joshaven Mailing Lists 
<lis...@joshaven.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 11:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Tik VPN: best trade off between performance and 
security

PPTP has lower encryption levels then most and uses basic user/pass to encrypt 
and not large keys... however calling it insecure is throwing much more mud on 
the face of PPTP then it deserves.  It is not even remotely close to no 
encryption which isn't insecure because encryption no more equal to security 
then having a bank account is equal to being rich... the user can receive a key 
logger virus through an encrypted tunnel just as easily as a non-encrypted 
tunnel and even an unencrypted tunnel cannot be interfered with if you cannot 
access the stream of  data in-between the endpoints.

Ultimately I expect that if a someone is going to breech a system then they 
will probably do it regardless of the encryption level of a tunnel.  So... if 
you want to be able to VPN into a router simply then I see no harm in PPTP 
unless you expect a hacker setting in the middle of your tunnel just waiting to 
bruit force decrypt the captured packets... If you are interconnecting two bank 
branches then first off the applications should be responsible for the data 
security but it is still a good idea to use something with the highest level of 
security.

Sometimes PPTP is still a good option, sometimes better encryption is a good 
idea.  However, tunnel encryption is never an excuse to allow data access to 
unauthorized users so the applications accessibility is what should really be 
our concern.

Sorry, I'm on my think sanely about security rant... done now.


Sincerely,
Joshaven Potter
Google Hangouts: j...@g2wireless.co<mailto:j...@g2wireless.co>
Cell & SMS: 1-517-607-9370
supp...@joshaven.com<mailto:supp...@joshaven.com>



On Dec 22, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Josh Reynolds 
<j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:


I don't know if ipsec is hardware offloaded on Mikrotik, but if it is it's 
probably your best bet. EoIP does have a performance/overhead hit.. Wasn't 
there something fairly recent about eoip+ipsec? PPTP is NOT security any more 
than WEP is. Most opensource products have removed it at this point - shame on 
MikroTik for not following suit.

On Dec 22, 2015 7:37 PM, "Mathew Howard" 
<mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You apparently can do encryption on EOIP now... I haven't tried it though, so I 
have no idea if it actually works or if it spoils the simplicity part...

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
EOIP wouldn't be encrypted...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
If only EOIP.  Damn I love the simplicity.

On Dec 22, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

OVPN probably?  Not sure about IPSec on the CCR.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Tunneling between 2 sites, not trying to bridge a single subnet or any nonsense 
like that.  Well connected on either end.

Which style of tunnel is going to provide the best security vs performance 
value.

Thinking CCR as a concentrator with 2011's or crs125's at end points.

Feedback appreciated.

Thanks!
Tyler

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Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Alamo dude

[Tyler Treat]

I've abandoned equipment in them to avoid aforementioned PTSD.


On Dec 23, 2015, at 6:45 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:

I have PTSD from a cat situation...

From: Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 4:00 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Alamo dude

I've been in some crawl spaces under trailer homes that were nicer than the 
trailer home...

On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
I have been in storage sheds behind trailer homes that were nicer than the 
trailer home...

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 1:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Alamo dude

Inaccurate.  He was in a storage shed behind the trailer home.

From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 2:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Alamo dude

Trailer Home?!?!!?! What a shock!

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:12 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:

The guy who was arrested for urinating on the Alamo a while back was arrested 
for murder today... He shot a 56 year old and holed up in a trailer home.   Got 
tazed and arrested wow!!!

[AFMUG] Tik to Tik VPN: best trade off between performance and security

[Tyler Treat]

Tunneling between 2 sites, not trying to bridge a single subnet or any nonsense 
like that.  Well connected on either end.  

Which style of tunnel is going to provide the best security vs performance 
value.  

Thinking CCR as a concentrator with 2011's or crs125's at end points.  

Feedback appreciated.  

Thanks!
Tyler

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. 
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Tik VPN: best trade off between performance and security

[Tyler Treat]

If only EOIP.  Damn I love the simplicity.

On Dec 22, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

OVPN probably?  Not sure about IPSec on the CCR.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Tunneling between 2 sites, not trying to bridge a single subnet or any nonsense 
like that.  Well connected on either end.

Which style of tunnel is going to provide the best security vs performance 
value.

Thinking CCR as a concentrator with 2011's or crs125's at end points.

Feedback appreciated.

Thanks!
Tyler

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___

Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Tik VPN: best trade off between performance and security

[Tyler Treat]

I know.  That was my point.  :-)

On Dec 22, 2015, at 7:04 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

EOIP wouldn't be encrypted...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
If only EOIP.  Damn I love the simplicity.

On Dec 22, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

OVPN probably?  Not sure about IPSec on the CCR.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Tunneling between 2 sites, not trying to bridge a single subnet or any nonsense 
like that.  Well connected on either end.

Which style of tunnel is going to provide the best security vs performance 
value.

Thinking CCR as a concentrator with 2011's or crs125's at end points.

Feedback appreciated.

Thanks!
Tyler

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___

Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Tik VPN: best trade off between performance and security

[Tyler Treat]

Omg.  Great find!  Will investigate this further.

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
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On Dec 22, 2015, at 7:42 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

Oooh IPSEC secret!  That's not even in the documentation (oh who am I 
kidding...)


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
You apparently can do encryption on EOIP now... I haven't tried it though, so I 
have no idea if it actually works or if it spoils the simplicity part...

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:04 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
EOIP wouldn't be encrypted...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
If only EOIP.  Damn I love the simplicity.

On Dec 22, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

OVPN probably?  Not sure about IPSec on the CCR.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 7:49 PM, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Tunneling between 2 sites, not trying to bridge a single subnet or any nonsense 
like that.  Well connected on either end.

Which style of tunnel is going to provide the best security vs performance 
value.

Thinking CCR as a concentrator with 2011's or crs125's at end points.

Feedback appreciated.

Thanks!
Tyler

___
Mangled by my iPhone.
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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document scanning services

[Tyler Treat]

Might check with your local medical provider's HIM or Privacy department.

They scan all kinds of records and what not in volume.


Thanks
Tyler


From: Af  on behalf of D. Ryan Spott 
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 3:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document scanning services

Call your local large legal firm. During discovery they scan all the things.

They will be able to refer you to where they get things done.

ryan

--
D. Ryan Spott | NGC457, llc
broadband | telco | colo | communities
PO Box 1734 Sultan, WA 98294
425-939-0047

On Dec 21, 2015, at 12:40, Paul McCall 
> wrote:


Looking for recommendations for document scanning...   If someone has used one 
that they worked well for them and was cost-effective



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2015 3:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Document scanning services



Huh???

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 21, 2015 3:34 PM, "Paul McCall" 
> wrote:

Has anybody use a 3rd party to scan in a few thousand pages and are thrilled 
with the results?



Paul



Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com

pa...@pdmnet.net

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Contest, Please Vote

[Tyler Treat]

7 

> On Dec 19, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Patrick Leary  wrote:
> 
> Ok friends I need your help. Tonight is the Leary daughters annual Christmas 
> Cookie Extravaganza party. Please vote for the sportiest beach babe cookie. 
> The winner gets no prize, other than epic bragging rights.
> 
> Patrick Leary
> Telrad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
> viruses.
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli)

[Tyler Treat]

So much this.



From: Af  on behalf of Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 8:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Captilism (was Martin Shkreli)

I can't defend his brashness, but the fact remains that pure capitalism is the 
best way demonstrated to date to innovate and health care or pharma is not 
exempt. Big rewards encourage big effort yielding big results. These pharma 
companies have something like 7 years until the exclusivity period expires. 
That can be a pretty short time to recover investments. This particular case 
may be a bit extreme but to say that capitalism is broken in America is simply 
ludicrous.

I recently attended my sons graduation from Texas Tech on a Friday. Thursday 
night at the hotel was $159 and Friday was $269. I don't think that is price 
gouging. I think it is a reflection of the simple fact that there are fewer 
rooms available on that particular night than are demanded at $159. The 
equilibrium was found at $259 where supply and demand come closer to being 
equal. At that price I still witnessed people turned away wanting a room due to 
their poor planning. I don't think that is price gouging. Their hotel was full 
at $269 a night. The next day was $159 again. Since the hotel was full they 
probably could have been even higher.

I really don't understand what people have such a huge issue with the 
fundamental theory of supply and demand. Yes I understand that it is a 
potentially life saving drug. There are other cheaper treatments. Maybe they 
aren't as good, which is why they are cheaper. When did we stop rewarding 
people for the value they provide? I know this jerk didn't invent it but he 
obviously was willing to reward those who did with a price they thought fair. 
Sales over the next few years will prove if he made a mistake.

Why not force Chuck to sell a unique mount he made for 5% over cost? Heck, why 
not only cover his cost? Why not less than cost and force him to provide his 
great product for the good of the people? There is a reason it is named Animal 
Farm. How many have read this book? While not about capitalism it does speak to 
the kind of central control that skulks below the overt argument for 
"controlling" this type of behavior.

I know people might die. I'll put on my really jerky hat and say "so what?". 
People die every day for less meaning and in greater numbers. There is 
practically a mass suicide movement going on now with texting and driving. I 
don't see where people value there lives or others that much anyway when 
reading a text or email is more important than life itself.
I guess I am just a big libertarian at heart. Give me the loose framework of a 
"fair market", whatever that is, and let the system fight it out. The word 
isn't fair, not ever going to be fair, stop trying to warp it to be that way.

Have fun with that on a Friday and have a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanuka, or 
whatever else gets your boat floating.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 8:02 AM Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
The irony? Your local poor schlub a-hole can be arrested and charged if he 
doubles the price of gas, water, or other life-critical goods after a natural 
disaster – that’s a crime in America. Meanwhile, it’s completely legal for a 
company to raise a life-critical drug by over 5000% -- that’s capitalism in 
America.

Shkreli is only the most written about example. This “business trend’ is all 
the rage and has been widely employed in the U.S. for a number of years now.  
http://news.health.com/2015/09/25/6-insane-examples-of-prescription-drug-price-increases/

Patrick

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli

Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested today.  Everybody knows him as 
the guy who raises drug prices 5000%, but I did not know he live streams almost 
daily to his fans.

Watch the first video, isn't he just like every annoying, entitled, slacker kid 
living in his parents basement that we have to deal with bitching about his 
Internet?  Except he is CEO of a drug company.

I didn't think it was possible to hate him more, but watch the video.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA





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Re: [AFMUG] OT - Martin Shkreli

[Tyler Treat]

I want that kind of money.

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On Dec 17, 2015, at 7:36 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

He's also the guy who spent $2 million for a single copy of a Wu Tang Clan 
album.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Apparently this guy AND HIS LAWYER were arrested today.  Everybody knows him as 
the guy who raises drug prices 5000%, but I did not know he live streams almost 
daily to his fans.

Watch the first video, isn't he just like every annoying, entitled, slacker kid 
living in his parents basement that we have to deal with bitching about his 
Internet?  Except he is CEO of a drug company.

I didn't think it was possible to hate him more, but watch the video.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8gjB1PSXv_oAUSAQ16S0fA

Re: [AFMUG] OT Parker

[Tyler Treat]

I hope he does every season.
Frick!


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Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
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On Dec 11, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

I hope Parker kicks Todd's ass this season.

Re: [AFMUG] Used procera

[Tyler Treat]

I hate our crockpot with the digital controls.   Doesn't turn back on if your 
power blips for a second.  terrible design and you come home to cold roast.

Sometimes analog is better.


From: Af  on behalf of Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 10:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used procera

Yes, it is kind of silly. It was a gift. I'm not sure that I ever really use 
its management feature for anything useful, but it is kind of fun to see its 
MAC address show up on my home network.

It uses a tiny amount of bandwidth unlike a device like a dropcam.

Expect to see a lot more dropcam-like competitors in the next 3-4 years that 
consume upstream bandwidth pretty much 24x7. Already several companies like 
Xiaomi which has a $36 camera:

https://www.google.ca/search?client=ubuntu=fs=xiaomi+security+camera=utf-8=utf-8_rd=cr=i_NqVseDFsmV8QeazaiIDw



On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Darren Shea 
> wrote:
Isn’t most of the appeal of a Crock-Pot/Slow Cooker the fact you do NOT need to 
micro-manage it? I put in the pot roast and veggies (or a batch of chili, or a 
pork shoulder), turn the thing on and let it do its thing for 4-6 hours, and I 
have yummy food.

I don’t want an SNMP-enabled Crock-Pot I have to monitor on MRTG!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 9:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used procera

my slow cooker has a 2.4 GHz single chain 802.11n radio in it

http://www.amazon.com/Crock-Pot-Wifi-Enabled-6-Quart-Cooker-SCCPWM600-V1/dp/B00IPEO02C

http://www.crock-pot.ca/en_CA/slow-cookers/crock-pot-wemo-enabled-smart-slow-cooker/SCCPWM600-V1.html

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 7:46 AM, Darren Shea 
> wrote:
Oh, YES – this.

Photo Sharing and iCloud Backup on phones and Macs, Windows Update, a 
BitTorrent share of the latest Game of Thrones episode, a sullen teenager 
hiding in a closet watching Netflix, Dad furiously trying to top his high score 
on that speedtest.net “game” – all of these use 
bandwidth, whether or not you know they’re active. This seems to be a good 60%+ 
of our support calls these days

Also…

Remember: On the internet, no one knows you’re a dog.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:56 AM

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used procera

Haha, my new favorite thing customers say:  “But I’m not even on my phone”

Sorry, customer, the OS and apps are running, and your device is using your 
Internet without you.  Not to mention your Roku, satellite receiver, smart TV, 
Dropcam, garage door opener, sump pump, refrigerator, light bulbs, and probably 
your pets.


From: Chuck Hogg
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 9:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used procera

We have gigs more capacity than we use.  The Procera is much more than that.

So many tools...We use it as a tool to identify usage, so that users can be 
told how their connection is being used when they say they are not using 
itbandwidth shaping for 900MHz AP's...network diagnostics for VoIP...and 
many more.  Support loves it, begs for it, and uses it on most bandwidth 
complaint calls.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 12:01 PM, Stefan Englhardt 
> wrote:
This is why I try to solve bandwidth problems with throwing more bandwidth in.


Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag 
von Chuck Hogg
Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Dezember 2015 17:49
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Used procera

Example, our Procera licensing lapsed, I just paid the full price to get us 
current, even though we will only be getting <6mths of support.

Regards,
Chuck

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
Same with Barracuda basically.

Rory

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Simon Westlake
Sent: Sunday, December 6, 2015 7:51 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Used procera

I would not buy a 7720. If it's not listed on Procera's website under 
'Products', it's EOL and they may not even license it anymore. Without 
licensing, it's essentially worthless.

What I would do is contact a Procera reseller first, let them know what you're 
looking at, and they can generate a quote for you to license/support it. It may 
be cheaper than buying a new one if it's an expensive chassis, but I doubt you 
would save much in this particular case, and you may end up with an unusable 
chassis.

On 12/5/2015 

[AFMUG] Good & Affordable NVR Software

[Tyler Treat]

I have a need for a new NVR solution.  Looking for something Windows based, 
with the potential to support several dozen cameras (with the appropriate 
hardware in place, obviously!)This is for a side project that doesn't have 
a ton of resources dedicated at this point.  (Another department squalling "we 
need this and didn't budget for it")  Free helps.

It seems like most of the stuff out there has pretty much the same features, 
and they license by camera.

Also want to avoid vendor lock-in, since I'm dealing with a hodge podge of 
cameras that are already deployed.


Feedback appreciated.


Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] Good & Affordable NVR Software

[Tyler Treat]

Big push internally to move things to virtual, so we've got access to 
decommissioned hardware from things that have migrated into the VMware 
environment.



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good & Affordable NVR Software

I like the UBNT NVR box.  All self contained.

From: Tyler Treat<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 8:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Good & Affordable NVR Software



I have a need for a new NVR solution.  Looking for something Windows based, 
with the potential to support several dozen cameras (with the appropriate 
hardware in place, obviously!)This is for a side project that doesn't have 
a ton of resources dedicated at this point.  (Another department squalling "we 
need this and didn't budget for it")  Free helps.

It seems like most of the stuff out there has pretty much the same features, 
and they license by camera.

Also want to avoid vendor lock-in, since I'm dealing with a hodge podge of 
cameras that are already deployed.


Feedback appreciated.



Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] Good & Affordable NVR Software

[Tyler Treat]

Am I wrong thinking that the UBNT NVR only supports UBNT cams?


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 11:21 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good & Affordable NVR Software

UBNT NVR and cams rock.

On 12/9/2015 9:24 AM, Tyler Treat wrote:


I have a need for a new NVR solution.  Looking for something Windows based, 
with the potential to support several dozen cameras (with the appropriate 
hardware in place, obviously!)This is for a side project that doesn't have 
a ton of resources dedicated at this point.  (Another department squalling "we 
need this and didn't budget for it")  Free helps.

It seems like most of the stuff out there has pretty much the same features, 
and they license by camera.

Also want to avoid vendor lock-in, since I'm dealing with a hodge podge of 
cameras that are already deployed.


Feedback appreciated.


Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] Good & Affordable NVR Software

[Tyler Treat]

Thanks Ben.



From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Ben Royer <operati...@royell.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2015 11:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Good & Affordable NVR Software

We've been using Blue Iris, works great.

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Tyler Treat<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 9:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Good & Affordable NVR Software



I have a need for a new NVR solution.  Looking for something Windows based, 
with the potential to support several dozen cameras (with the appropriate 
hardware in place, obviously!)This is for a side project that doesn't have 
a ton of resources dedicated at this point.  (Another department squalling "we 
need this and didn't budget for it")  Free helps.

It seems like most of the stuff out there has pretty much the same features, 
and they license by camera.

Also want to avoid vendor lock-in, since I'm dealing with a hodge podge of 
cameras that are already deployed.


Feedback appreciated.



Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS

[Tyler Treat]

Well Chatham is I think around 10k population.  Probably not the same census 
block.  Cwlp is the Springfield Municipal power/water/electric that also 
happens to have fiber.
They've got fiber into Springnet/EOS's data center on the north side of town, 
but that's as far south as it goes afaik.
Not saying Brian's assessment is wrong, but it will be eye opening if the 
mapping is accurate to coverage for that particular situation.

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Nov 29, 2015, at 11:33 AM, Brian Webster 
<i...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:

Using the census block method was as close as we were going to get to the 
carrier disclosing their network capabilities without actually disclosing their 
full plant details. It’s not perfect but it is a whole lot better than nothing. 
The method and the national broadband map did so much to allow the WISP 
industry to play a defensive game in Washington with regards to USF and the new 
CAF rules. If it were not for the mapping program so many WISP’s would have 
been overbuilt by USF/CAF funded networks where they had already built adequate 
unsubsidized systems. WISPA did a lot of fighting in DC on the industry behalf 
and these maps/data were a huge part of being able to prove where these funds 
should not go.

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS

Like Brian Webster explained earlier:  If they service a road touching that 
census block, then then entire census block is "covered".  That's even if it 
includes uninhabited mountaintop peaks.

It is not particularly accurate, but I'm sure they had their reasons for doing 
it that way.

On 11/28/2015 7:59 PM, Jeremy wrote:
Comcast claims the same thing for the entire state of Utah...including on 
mountaintop peaks.

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Yeah I'm not sure how CWLP claims gigabit in the entirety of Chatham.
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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
These maps seem pretty inaccurate in my area.  Specifically the DSL and fiber 
coverage.  It doesn't even show my fiber network, but lists one where one does 
not exist.  Also, it shows DSL reaching far beyond where it is offered.

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Brian Webster 
<i...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
www.broadbandmap.gov<http://www.broadbandmap.gov>

At the top of the map you can turn different technologies on and off. The 
underlying map is not the greatest for visual references once zoomed in but it 
should save you a lot of work.

http://broadbandnow.com/Florida analysis of the state

https://www.fcc.gov/maps/connect-compete-home-broadband-coverage-map this map 
from the FCC is a little more useable but these are only the carrier who 
participate in the connect to compete program.

http://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/fcc.connect2compete/page.html#10/28.5417/-81.8303 
full screen version of the map above

http://wireless-isp.info/FL.html A listing of WISP's in Florida, not real 
accurate



Thank You,
Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 8:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS

The issue is we found the WISP map and where all the coverage is.  The areas we 
are looking at do not have coverage or anyone nearby really.  However I'm 
pretty sure they have DSL there.  So its a bit of a scouting party looking for 
somewhere to start up where things are needed to provide a service to people or 
improve service in an area where DSL is really bad.  We also don't want to step 
on anyone's toes and respect others territory.

- Original Message -
From: "Tyler Treat" 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:48:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS

Sign me up.  Wha

Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS

[Tyler Treat]

Yeah I'm not sure how CWLP claims gigabit in the entirety of Chatham.

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Nov 28, 2015, at 4:16 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:

These maps seem pretty inaccurate in my area.  Specifically the DSL and fiber 
coverage.  It doesn't even show my fiber network, but lists one where one does 
not exist.  Also, it shows DSL reaching far beyond where it is offered.

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Brian Webster 
<i...@wirelessmapping.com<mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
www.broadbandmap.gov<http://www.broadbandmap.gov>

At the top of the map you can turn different technologies on and off. The 
underlying map is not the greatest for visual references once zoomed in but it 
should save you a lot of work.

http://broadbandnow.com/Florida analysis of the state

https://www.fcc.gov/maps/connect-compete-home-broadband-coverage-map this map 
from the FCC is a little more useable but these are only the carrier who 
participate in the connect to compete program.

http://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/fcc.connect2compete/page.html#10/28.5417/-81.8303 
full screen version of the map above

http://wireless-isp.info/FL.html A listing of WISP's in Florida, not real 
accurate



Thank You,
Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com<http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com<http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Steve
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 8:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS

The issue is we found the WISP map and where all the coverage is.  The areas we 
are looking at do not have coverage or anyone nearby really.  However I'm 
pretty sure they have DSL there.  So its a bit of a scouting party looking for 
somewhere to start up where things are needed to provide a service to people or 
improve service in an area where DSL is really bad.  We also don't want to step 
on anyone's toes and respect others territory.

- Original Message -
From: "Tyler Treat" 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:48:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS

Sign me up.  What I'd give for some sustainable green field areas......

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


> On Nov 25, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Steve 
> <li...@wavedirect.org<mailto:li...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:
>
>
> Any Florida WISPS out there?  Around the Naples area?  Just curious because 
> we have been looking for a startup area but it looks pretty covered by 
> Cable/DSL.  But so much of it is spread out and treed I imagine its a 
> difficult gig to get started down there.  Any success stories? What sort of 
> hardware are you using etc?

Re: [AFMUG] Twas the night

[Tyler Treat]

True story.

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Nov 26, 2015, at 12:58 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Zooey Deschanel, in the shower, in Elf.
Baby its cold outside.

If you are a straight man, you will fall in love with her when you watch that 
scene.

From: Ken Hohhof<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 5:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Twas the night

I can't find my WAV file of the dogs barking Jingle Bells.  Soon some radio 
stations will go to 24x7 Christmas songs for a month.  The only one I look 
forward to hearing (and even this one only once a year) is All I Want For 
Christmas Is You.  No, not that Mariah Carey song, the Lisa Layne song.  For 
years when it was credited on the radio to "Vince Vance and the Valiants", I 
thought wow, that dude sings like a chick, but he sure can belt out a song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwkVi35mLHo

Please, please, please, not The Little Drummer Boy, my head will explode.

Somewhere I think I have this Dr. Demento Novelty Christmas Song CD:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCBhQCCyhTo

I think maybe it has Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer, too.  Another classic.


From: Jaime Solorza<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 6:04 PM
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Twas the night


Home for the Holidays... The cynic in me

On Nov 25, 2015 5:00 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> 
wrote:
Wrong holiday.

You're supposed to be watching Planes, Trains and Automobiles.  Or Wizard of Oz.


From: Jaime Solorza<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 5:58 PM
To: Animal Farm<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Twas the night


Before Christmas.. When all through the house not a creature was stirring... 
Not even a mouse.can you dig it?   Happy Thanksgiving to allJaime El 
Guy Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] HelloMoto?

[Tyler Treat]

Well yeah, but I thought Google had killed it off or something.  Didn't they 
buy all the rights when it got carved up?

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___


On Nov 26, 2015, at 6:58 PM, Sean Heskett 
<af...@zirkel.us<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

It's kinda like saying "I thought AT was gone?!?!"  The brand doesn't 
die...someone always picks up the brand.

On Thursday, November 26, 2015, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Sister in law was given this at the Chicago parade earlier.   Some kind of 
visor deal.  Seeing Moto on there caught me off guard.  Thought all that was 
gone now...

Re: [AFMUG] Florida WISPS

[Tyler Treat]

Sign me up.  What I'd give for some sustainable green field areas..

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. 
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___


> On Nov 25, 2015, at 5:04 PM, Steve <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Any Florida WISPS out there?  Around the Naples area?  Just curious because 
> we have been looking for a startup area but it looks pretty covered by 
> Cable/DSL.  But so much of it is spread out and treed I imagine its a 
> difficult gig to get started down there.  Any success stories? What sort of 
> hardware are you using etc? 

Re: [AFMUG] DHCP relay question

[Tyler Treat]

Indeed, this is a corporate setup with Windows DHCP at the core.  
This is a site on the remote end of a VPN.  
The sysadmins were a bit on edge about sending DHCP across the VPN, so they 
asked that we stick it local on the remote site Mikrotik routerwhich works 
ok, though we hit a bit of a snag with the NAC, which likes to sniff DHCP 
traffic to help detect and identify devices on the segment, in addition to 
several other data sources. 

I may just nag the sysadmins to build this out in the core DHCP and this will 
solve itself.  
Just point DHCP Relay at both addresses and I think we'll be fine.  

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> On Nov 22, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:
> 
> Have never seen that work on any platforms I work with ... Cisco/Juniper
> etc...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 1:40 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DHCP relay question
> 
> MikroTik? So you're asking for an /ip dhcp-server and an /ip dhcp-relay on
> the same interface? No idea if that will work, never tried it. You can
> certainly have multiple DHCP servers on the same broadcast domain. 
> Never had to do that outside of a large corporate environment for redundancy
> though, and that was just windows DHCP servers.
> 
>> On 11/22/2015 11:38 AM, Tyler Treat wrote:
>> Have a question regarding dhcp relay function.
>> Say we have local dhcp configured at a remote site, yet we have a network
> management tool that would like to see dhcp traffic for device detection
> purposes.
>> My question is this:   Is it possible for local dhcp to function, and have
> dhcp relay pointing to our NAC to assist it in detecting devices?(the NAC
> doesn't respond, just listens)
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Tyler
>> ___
>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>> ___
>> 
>> Tyler Treat
>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>> 
>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
>> ___
>> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] DHCP relay question

[Tyler Treat]

I think it's somewhere between what you wrote, and they don't trust the crappy 
temp cable connection over there at the site.
They say what if the VPN goes down - users won't be able to get ips if a 
machine reboots!
I say, what the hell are they going to be doing anyways if the VPN goes down?
[ Drops mic, stomps off. ]
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On Nov 22, 2015, at 7:37 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think your admins dont understand what dhcp relay is, im guessing they thing 
the relay is a weird way of saying its a l2 tunnel for dhcp or some dumb shit. 
other than the loss of dhcp when the vpn is down, relay would be the preferred 
way to do it. I dont know how mikrotik works with secondary relays, but you 
could configure the primary to point to the AD DHCP server, and the second 
being on a virtual interface of the mikrotik, since its just relaying to itself.
Go online and find a 6 pack of Jolt Cola, give that to the sysadmin, he will 
let you do what you want.

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Indeed, this is a corporate setup with Windows DHCP at the core.
This is a site on the remote end of a VPN.
The sysadmins were a bit on edge about sending DHCP across the VPN, so they 
asked that we stick it local on the remote site Mikrotik routerwhich works 
ok, though we hit a bit of a snag with the NAC, which likes to sniff DHCP 
traffic to help detect and identify devices on the segment, in addition to 
several other data sources.

I may just nag the sysadmins to build this out in the core DHCP and this will 
solve itself.
Just point DHCP Relay at both addresses and I think we'll be fine.

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> On Nov 22, 2015, at 5:13 PM, Paul Stewart 
> <p...@paulstewart.org<mailto:p...@paulstewart.org>> wrote:
>
> Have never seen that work on any platforms I work with ... Cisco/Juniper
> etc...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
> Of George Skorup
> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 1:40 PM
> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DHCP relay question
>
> MikroTik? So you're asking for an /ip dhcp-server and an /ip dhcp-relay on
> the same interface? No idea if that will work, never tried it. You can
> certainly have multiple DHCP servers on the same broadcast domain.
> Never had to do that outside of a large corporate environment for redundancy
> though, and that was just windows DHCP servers.
>
>> On 11/22/2015 11:38 AM, Tyler Treat wrote:
>> Have a question regarding dhcp relay function.
>> Say we have local dhcp configured at a remote site, yet we have a network
> management tool that would like to see dhcp traffic for device detection
> purposes.
>> My question is this:   Is it possible for local dhcp to function, and have
> dhcp relay pointing to our NAC to assist it in detecting devices?(the NAC
> doesn't respond, just listens)
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Tyler
>> ___
>> Mangled by my iPhone.
>> ___
>>
>> Tyler Treat
>> Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
>> ___
>>
>
>



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] DHCP relay question

[Tyler Treat]

www.forescout.com<http://www.forescout.com>



On Nov 22, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

What's a NAC?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Tyler Treat 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Have a question regarding dhcp relay function.
Say we have local dhcp configured at a remote site, yet we have a network 
management tool that would like to see dhcp traffic for device detection 
purposes.
My question is this:   Is it possible for local dhcp to function, and have dhcp 
relay pointing to our NAC to assist it in detecting devices?(the NAC doesn't 
respond, just listens)

Thoughts?


Thanks
Tyler
___
Mangled by my iPhone.
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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___

[AFMUG] DHCP relay question

[Tyler Treat]

Have a question regarding dhcp relay function. 
Say we have local dhcp configured at a remote site, yet we have a network 
management tool that would like to see dhcp traffic for device detection 
purposes.  
My question is this:   Is it possible for local dhcp to function, and have dhcp 
relay pointing to our NAC to assist it in detecting devices?(the NAC doesn't 
respond, just listens)

Thoughts?


Thanks
Tyler
___
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___

Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. 

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Hello?

[Tyler Treat]

Is it me you're looking for?

On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:00 PM, Glen Waldrop 
> wrote:

One of the best albums out there.

I introduced my kids to Pink Floyd, turned on the black light that flashed 
during the bass, turned off the lights, turned on Winamp visualizations and we 
just sat back and listened and watched our socks glow in the dark.


- Original Message -
From: Sean Heskett
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2015 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hello?

Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me.
Is there anyone at home?




On Friday, November 13, 2015, Andreas Wiatowski 
> wrote:
No, not the Adel song...just seeing no posts on my end.


Cheers,

Andreas Wiatowski, CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
519-449-5656 x-600

Re: [AFMUG] can anyone service this area with 10 or 20Mbps service

[Tyler Treat]

Ehhh might be a smidge overkill for what appears to be an ethanol plant.

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Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
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On Nov 14, 2015, at 1:14 AM, Eric Kuhnke 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Everywhere on the planet south of 80 degrees latitude can be serviced with 10 
or 20 Mbps, it's just a question of dollars per month...

How about a 3.8 meter Ku-band VSAT system with 60W BUC and Comtech SCPC modem?

Works great for embassies and such.

:-)




On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 8:44 PM, Rory Conaway 
<r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> wrote:
Arrggh, let's try that again

1372 State Line Road
St. Ansgar IA 50472

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 9:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] can anyone service this area with 10 or 20Mbps service



Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>
www.triadwireless.net<http://www.triadwireless.net/>

"I've come to the conclusion that the two most important things in life are 
good friends and a good bullpen."
 ~Baseball saying by: Bob Lemon

Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Cisco VPN

[Tyler Treat]

Following up on this -
Got the tunnel up, but in the Tik, where do I point my local subnet to send the 
traffic across the tunnel?
for example is 10.x.x.x is across the tunnel, where do i tell the Tik to send 
that traffic.




From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Cisco VPN


Read the wiki page on it to get the values all married up.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 30, 2015 9:47 AM, "Tyler Treat" 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Any gotchas when doing a Tik to Cisco ASA VPN?
Known issues?

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
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Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Cisco VPN

[Tyler Treat]

well i think we're gonna have an issue.

10.11.160.0 is the local, everything else 10.x.x.x is at the other end.

Not sure how to address that with the nat rule.

Almost need to have a 172.x to provide some separation


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Vlad Sedov <v...@atlasok.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 4:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Cisco VPN

This happens via the IPSec policy, as long as source and destination match. 
Don't forget the srcnat accept rule from local net to remote, and place it 
above all other nat rules.


Vlad

On 11/4/2015 4:46 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:


Following up on this -�
Got the tunnel up, but in the Tik, where do I point my local subnet to send the 
traffic across the tunnel?
for example is 10.x.x.x is across the tunnel, where do i tell the Tik to send 
that traffic.




From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh 
Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com><mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Cisco VPN
�

Read the wiki page on it to get the values all married up.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 30, 2015 9:47 AM, "Tyler Treat" 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Any gotchas when doing a Tik to Cisco ASA VPN?
Known issues?

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___

Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Cisco VPN

[Tyler Treat]

Yeah.  I sorta inherited it.

Would it be feasible to build an address list of all the subnets *except* the 
10.11.160.x and tell it "this list is across the tunnel"?

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
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On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Vlad Sedov 
<v...@atlasok.com<mailto:v...@atlasok.com>> wrote:

So you have 10/8 on one end and 10.11.160/24 on the other? Yeah that could get 
messy..

Vlad


On 11/4/2015 5:11 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:

well i think we're gonna have an issue.

10.11.160.0 is the local, everything else 10.x.x.x is at the other end. 
??(1/2)??(1/2)

Not sure how to address that with the nat rule. ??(1/2)

Almost need to have a 172.x to provide some separation


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Vlad 
Sedov <v...@atlasok.com><mailto:v...@atlasok.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 4:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Cisco VPN
??(1/2)
This happens via the IPSec policy, as long as source and destination match. 
Don't forget the srcnat accept rule from local net to remote, and place it 
above all other nat rules.


Vlad

On 11/4/2015 4:46 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:


Following up on this -??(1/2)
Got the tunnel up, but in the Tik, where do I point my local subnet to send the 
traffic across the tunnel?
for example is 10.x.x.x is across the tunnel, where do i tell the Tik to send 
that traffic.




From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh 
Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com><mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Cisco VPN
??(1/2)

Read the wiki page on it to get the values all married up.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 30, 2015 9:47 AM, "Tyler Treat" 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>> wrote:
Any gotchas when doing a Tik to Cisco ASA VPN?
Known issues?

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Mangled by my iPhone.
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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___

Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Cisco VPN

[Tyler Treat]

My suggestion was to stick a 172 out at these small remotes, but network guys 
are squalling about their acls everywhere.

They said "can't we just ip route the 10./8 to the public ip and the Tik would 
encapsulate the traffic on across the tunnel!?"

I'm not sure of the answer to that, but it doesn't seem like it would work in 
my mind.

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
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On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:28 PM, Vlad Sedov 
<v...@atlasok.com<mailto:v...@atlasok.com>> wrote:

You can use address lists on nat rules, but not on ipsec policies.
It would be easier if both ends were Tiks, so you could just do transport mode 
and EoIP tunnel in between, and just set static routes back and forth.

I would re-number the smaller net.. Maybe there's some other kung-fu that might 
work, like 1-to-1 NAT on the Tik, but that's a back-asswards solution.


Vlad


On 11/4/2015 5:18 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:
Yeah. ??(1/2)I sorta inherited it. ??(1/2)

Would it be feasible to build an address list of all the subnets *except* the 
10.11.160.x and tell it "this list is across the tunnel"?

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.??(1/2)

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
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On Nov 4, 2015, at 5:14 PM, Vlad Sedov 
<<mailto:v...@atlasok.com>v...@atlasok.com<mailto:v...@atlasok.com>> wrote:

So you have 10/8 on one end and 10.11.160/24 on the other? Yeah that could get 
messy..

Vlad


On 11/4/2015 5:11 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:

well i think we're gonna have an issue.

10.11.160.0 is the local, everything else 10.x.x.x is at the other end. 
??(1/2)??(1/2)

Not sure how to address that with the nat rule. ??(1/2)

Almost need to have a 172.x to provide some separation


From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Vlad 
Sedov <v...@atlasok.com><mailto:v...@atlasok.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 4:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Cisco VPN
??(1/2)
This happens via the IPSec policy, as long as source and destination match. 
Don't forget the srcnat accept rule from local net to remote, and place it 
above all other nat rules.


Vlad

On 11/4/2015 4:46 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:


Following up on this -??(1/2)
Got the tunnel up, but in the Tik, where do I point my local subnet to send the 
traffic across the tunnel?
for example is 10.x.x.x is across the tunnel, where do i tell the Tik to send 
that traffic.




From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com><mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh 
Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com><mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Tik to Cisco VPN
??(1/2)

Read the wiki page on it to get the values all married up.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Oct 30, 2015 9:47 AM, "Tyler Treat" 
<<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>>
 wrote:
Any gotchas when doing a Tik to Cisco ASA VPN?
Known issues?

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
___

[AFMUG] Tik to Cisco VPN

[Tyler Treat]

Any gotchas when doing a Tik to Cisco ASA VPN?
Known issues?

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. 

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
___

Re: [AFMUG] PCI Compliance- who has it?

[Tyler Treat]

My day job is in healthcare and because we take cc, we're subject to all this.  
Across half a dozen or so merchant IDs.  It's a huge pain, but from a risk 
management perspective, it's not much more over the stuff we're doing to meet 
HIPAA.  

All the new compliance generations (HIPAA, GLBA, SOX, PCI) seem to be circling 
the drain on the same concepts of best practices.  NIST/COBIT etc.  

Like I said, it's all a huge pain, but if you're subject to one, it's usually 
not a huge stretch when one of the others come into play.  That is, if you have 
a semi mature risk/compliance program in play. 

For small shops, it seems like do your best, or ignore it.  Main takeaway is: 
least compliant entity pays for fraud charges since after the beginning of this 
month.  

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Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. 

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
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> On Oct 28, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
> 
> I think only a masochist would pay to do that, unless someone made you.
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Scott Vander Dussen
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 6:35 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] PCI Compliance- who has it?
> 
> Just saw Ken's post about PCI compliance and didn't want to hijack that 
> thread.  PCI compliance when it first came out was mandated by the credit 
> card processor, about $20/mo and included some quarterly scans for 
> vulnerabilities or exploits.  We've switched processors a few times and 
> realized that no one has asked us about PCI compliance for years.  Looked 
> into purchasing PCI auditing from McAfee and it's $1k a year, and involves 
> an extremely intensive questionnaire of the company plus serious internal 
> documentation of policy etc.  Basically, PCI compliance got a lot more legit 
> and expensive.  Just wondering what everyone else is doing?  Grandfathered 
> the old low-tech quarterly scan, nothing at all, or are you on board with 
> this newer intense PCI compliance?
> 
> Thanks,
> `S
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] PCI compliance and managed router

[Tyler Treat]

With the new rules, whether you store the data or not is not a deciding factor 
of whether or not it applies to you.
Even if you simply only transmit to a 3rd party processor, you're still in 
scope.

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tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
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On Oct 28, 2015, at 7:59 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think it was Visa processors that are causing this stink, Visa is trying to 
have CYA

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
<eric.kuh...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
traffic between their credit card terminal and the processor should be 
end-to-end encrypted. Audits of their network equipment would be required for 
PCI compliance if they were storing card info in plaintext anywhere on their 
LAN, which they are not.

On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
I have always heard of PCI compliance in terms of a business like a gas station 
where customers swipe cards at the pumps.

But I have a customer with a credit card reader terminal in their office that 
is making this big fuss because they annually do a PCI audit apparently to 
avoid a $20/month fee from their credit card processor.  Maybe I don't even 
realize we pay that, there is some $200/year PCI compliance fee we pay.

Anyway, this is not where some auditors show up, but rather a cloud based scan 
they run from one of their computers until they pass, then they print out the 
report and send it in.

And apparently the customer decided to have us replace Frontier and then do 
their annual scan the next day.  They claim they passed every year previous, 
hard to believe the Frontier modem they were using as their router having 
username/password set to admin/admin was not an issue.  Their first complaint 
to us was their WiFi password was not complex enough.  Well, we just set it to 
what you were already using.  Then they had some complaint about DNS.

Now they are saying they have to report that we manage the router remotely, and 
that may be a problem.  Is it?  We close off everything but Winbox.  It seems a 
lot more secure to me than having a web interface with admin/admin. I told the 
customer they are welcome to supply and manage their own router, but if they 
get a leased, managed router from us, well ... we manage it. Remotely.

Has anyone dealt with this issue already?





--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Any interesting multi-gigabit backhauls at wispalooza..

[Tyler Treat]

what price are they touting?



From: Af  on behalf of Peter Kranz 
Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 4:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any interesting multi-gigabit backhauls at wispalooza..


Thanks, I am aware of how it works. at 10km the B11 offers a 1560 Mbps PHY 
rate, and a 1248 Mbps TCP data rate. So if one was to spend 50% of the budget 
on upload, they would see a 624 Mbps full duplex link. Which as I was saying 
before is meh inducing other than the good price point.



>> There is no full duplex on the B11. It is auto-TDMA and is flexible so 
>> you're not limited to 750 Mbps one way. You could have 1000 Mbps one way and 
>> 500 the other way. The SFP at 1G is what would limit the speed to 1G on 
>> downstream.

Re: [AFMUG] Fitting end to a long day

[Tyler Treat]

Welcome to Group W!

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Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
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On Oct 6, 2015, at 8:31 PM, Jaime Solorza 
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Ha

Jaime Solorza

On Oct 6, 2015 7:17 PM, "Wireless Administrator" 
<wirel...@htn.net<mailto:wirel...@htn.net>> wrote:
I guess I should just be happy It selected Cambium instead of the other things 
I searched for ...



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 6:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fitting end to a long day

Google delivers ads based on your search history. Because Google is creepy like 
that.
On 10/6/2015 5:05 PM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
I spent the day climbing towers installing a replacement Backhaul.??(1/2) The 
old link was running poorly due to interference.??(1/2) Well the replacement 
link came up but was not really all that.??(1/2) I ran spectrum analysis and 
started changing frequencies.??(1/2) My first guess was a good one. I got full 
modulation with good link tests.??(1/2) I??(1/2)m sure everyone on this list 
appreciates the positive feeling of accomplishment after all the effort.??(1/2) 
Here??(1/2)s where the story gets interesting.
??(1/2)
I don??(1/2)t know where it came from, but on my third or fourth perfect link 
test.??(1/2) Out of??(1/2) mouth comes ??(1/2)Burn baby Burn??(1/2).??(1/2) Yes 
you guessed it, off to youtube.com<http://youtube.com> I went to play the 
song.??(1/2) Well sure as I??(1/2)m sitting here I had to endure an 
advertisement before the song would play.??(1/2) I THOUGHT I??(1/2)D DROP WHEN 
THE AD WAS??(1/2)??(1/2)..??(1/2) 
??(1/2)??(1/2)CAMBIUM??(1/2).??(1/2)??(1/2)??(1/2) REALLY.??(1/2) I??(1/2)M OFF 
TO BUY A LOTTERY TICKET.??(1/2) DADDY??(1/2)S ON FIRE !
??(1/2)
Steve B.

Re: [AFMUG] come on apple...what cha doin?

[Tyler Treat]

There was one Monday/Tuesday.  Do things take longer to get to Alabama?
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On Oct 2, 2015, at 6:39 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:



Seeing a lot of traffic going to 17.253.7.202in fact about six customers 
are pulling full speed from this site.
it comes back to Apple.  Are they sending out an update or something?  It's all 
download...

Re: [AFMUG] Real-Time cyber attacks

[Tyler Treat]

I *think* Scott AFB has a healthy sized cyber security program.

On Sep 26, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:

I'd like to figure that out too.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 12:43:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Real-Time cyber attacks

That norse map is always fun to watch, St louis is always heavy, what is it 
thats there, is it just where alot of IPs are registered to?

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 7:59 AM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
Here's a version of that map without all that other crap on the screen:  
http://map.norsecorp.com/

I've shared a few of these kinds of maps on Midwest-IX and The Brothers WISP FB 
pages. There's at least four or five different entities compiling and 
presenting real-time attack information.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


From: "Rory Conaway" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 5:43:17 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Real-Time cyber attacks


http://www.projectsafety.org/#!real-time-cyber-attacks/c16af

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"Things could be worse. Suppose your errors were counted and published every 
day, like those of a baseball player." ~Author Unknown





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If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for credit/debit card

[Tyler Treat]

Our water department insists on check.or bank autopay check because it's 
ran by a bunch of stodgy ass old people.  Yet they Facebook.  I asked about 
*gasp* credit cards, and you'd have thought I called for free water for 
everyone.
One old bat turned into a Facebook badass and got real shitty with me on the FB 
community page.

Hell I'd even volunteer to help them get it going, but apparently we're stuck 
in the 70's like back when they were hired.  I can just see them smoking in 
their back office with their pencils and ledger paper.

Checks are a pain in the ass.

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Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>
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On Sep 19, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

I wish everyone used auto bill pay with their bank.


From: Mike Hammett<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 10:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for 
credit/debit card

Agreed. I wish everyone auto-CC payed, even though it costs me a few bucks.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com

[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

From: "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com<mailto:cc...@wispmon.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 1:52:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode feature request - Charge processing fee for 
credit/debit card

I think this is a bit backwards myself. Credit card auto pay has a higher 
percentage chance of being on time than checks. We encourage our customers to 
charge a check processing fee or at least give a discount to auto payers. I 
know we spent a lot more time tracking down checks and had very few come in on 
time than the small fee you pay for credit cards. How much does it cost you in 
labor to track down deadbeat check payers? For us, the convenience was worth 
more than the charge.

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Jason McKemie 
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> 
wrote:
I'm pretty sure you're allowed to charge for it now.

http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/credit-card-surcharges-allowed-1281.php

On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Ryan Ray 
<ryan...@gmail.com<mailto:ryan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
+1

Don't charge your customers for using a credit card or they will pull your 
merchant agreement. For good reason. I hate companies that do this.


On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Simon Westlake 
<simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com<mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com>> 
wrote:
Darin,

Not a lawyer, but be careful - I'm pretty sure it's against most of the CC 
issuer policies to do this.

http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/credit-card-convenience-fees-cost-surcharges-1280.php


On 9/18/2015 1:30 PM, Darin Steffl wrote:
Hey all,

If some of you with Powercode would be interested in this feature, can you 
please vote for it on the feature request link below?

Basically, this feature would automatically apply a fixed or percentage based 
fee to the bill for all credit or debit card payments. It would also warn the 
customer of this charge before they setup auto pay or submit manual payment. We 
would continue to allow ACH or eCheck withdrawal for free but charge for 
customers to use credit/debit payment method as those costs are 2-4% of the 
total customer bill, which we don't want to eat the cost of.

Please vote for this feature if you think you might be even a little interested 
in this so it is available when you are.

Thank you

http://community.powercode.com/forums/309535-feature-requests/suggestions/9130852-payment-processing-fee-for-credit-cards


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: New Energy Savings?

[Tyler Treat]

Same here.  Only ones that usually don't are those all electric houses with 
baseboard heat and all that.

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On Sep 19, 2015, at 8:43 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Most people I know have natural gas or propane water heaters, which would have 
a minimal electric load.



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From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:39:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: New Energy Savings?

Since when does a water heater run off an "outlet", assuming these are
electric water heaters, they should be on a dedicated big-ass breaker, like
240V at 30A or something.

Are these trailers?


-Original Message-
From: Nate Burke
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 4:26 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: New Energy Savings?

I have a few customers who have just started turning their radios off
every night, like they're on a timer.  I talked to one of them, and he
said it's feed off the same outlet as his water heater, and He has a
timer that turns his water heater off every night from like midnight to
4 am.  Claim's it's supposed to give him $20 month savings.  Was this
just touted on some TV show or something that everyone started doing it?

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

[Tyler Treat]

Because it pisses off the dealer network.

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On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:10 PM, TJ Trout 
<t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:

How about just posting the realistic prices on the website? Why is that not the 
solution?

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 9:44 AM, Mathew Howard 
<mhoward...@gmail.com<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I agree, most people won't expect to pay MSRP, and it does give you some idea 
what the price is going to be. but I can see it scaring some people off if it's 
set too high... you probably don't want to put a $99 MSRP on something that all 
the dealers sell for $29.

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Christopher Tyler 
<ch...@totalhighspeed.net<mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net>> wrote:
Agreed. As long as you mark it as MSRP, most people will understand that price 
is generally higher than what they will pay a vendor. Especially if ordering in 
higher quantities.

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- Original Message -
From: "Tyler Treat" 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 11:30:07 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

I'd prefer ballpark pricing than none at all.


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On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com><mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>>
 wrote:

The question this morning, is when you go to a website like mine, and you see 
prices that are List/MSRP with a hint that dealers will give you a discount, is 
that better or worse than no prices at all?

MSRP are inflated a bit, do they scare people away.  Would it be better without 
any prices?

I know I often skip places without any prices but I also know that I am pretty 
bad at extrapolating my experiences into what the "average" customer would do.

Re: [AFMUG] Marketing Question - OT?

[Tyler Treat]

I'd prefer ballpark pricing than none at all.


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On Sep 15, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown 
<ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

The question this morning, is when you go to a website like mine, and you see 
prices that are List/MSRP with a hint that dealers will give you a discount, is 
that better or worse than no prices at all?

MSRP are inflated a bit, do they scare people away.  Would it be better without 
any prices?

I know I often skip places without any prices but I also know that I am pretty 
bad at extrapolating my experiences into what the "average" customer would do.

Re: [AFMUG] vSphere Monitoring\Management

[Tyler Treat]

The wife said she uses Foglite and a Powershell tool called VCHECK with the 22 
host deployment she manages at her day job.

She also freelances if anyone needs help.
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On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Peter Kranz 
<pkr...@unwiredltd.com<mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>> wrote:

I don't monitor my vsphere cluster at all.. If something goes wrong I hear 
about it because one of my VM's starts alarming..

:)

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com<http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 8:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] vSphere Monitoring\Management

Those of you with vSphere clusters, what are you doing for 
monitoring\management? I prefer free ones. ;-)  I think the favorite one I've 
used is Foglight, but the free version is so old, I'd like to find something 
else. It's distribution has been deprecated, so no more updates.


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Re: [AFMUG] vSphere Monitoring\Management

[Tyler Treat]

Haha. Ironic you say that!

I almost wrote in my last post that it's kinda weird being the less technical 
person in the conversation at times.

At any rate, she rocks at VM/SAN infrastructure and I'd love to bill by the 
hour for those skills!

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On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:43 PM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

What's it like having a significant other that's just as tech as you are? Keep 
in mind this is a public list and she may eventually see what you said.  ;-)



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Tyler Treat" 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:41:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] vSphere Monitoring\Management

The wife said she uses Foglite and a Powershell tool called VCHECK with the 22 
host deployment she manages at her day job.

She also freelances if anyone needs help.
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On Sep 14, 2015, at 6:21 PM, Peter Kranz 
<pkr...@unwiredltd.com<mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>> wrote:

I don't monitor my vsphere cluster at all.. If something goes wrong I hear 
about it because one of my VM's starts alarming..

:)

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com<http://www.unwiredltd.com/>
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com<mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2015 8:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] vSphere Monitoring\Management

Those of you with vSphere clusters, what are you doing for 
monitoring\management? I prefer free ones. ;-)  I think the favorite one I've 
used is Foglight, but the free version is so old, I'd like to find something 
else. It's distribution has been deprecated, so no more updates.


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Re: [AFMUG] Don't Update Chrome

[Tyler Treat]

Ah gotcha. I wondered when it would happen.

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On Sep 5, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Mike Hammett 
<af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Google did as they promised and axed NPAPI from version 45.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Tyler Treat" 
<tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com<mailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2015 9:42:27 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Don't Update Chrome

Are you talking where they just disabled it, but you can turn it back on, or 
did they kill it off altogether?

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On Sep 5, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

It's not like any radio manufacturers would require us to use Java for web GUI 
tools, right?

(says the person who just tried to use airView on an AF5X)


From: Mike Hammett<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 9:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Don't Update Chrome

The latest Chrome disables some SSL ciphers and NPAPI, which is required to use 
Java.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Don't Update Chrome

[Tyler Treat]

Are you talking where they just disabled it, but you can turn it back on, or 
did they kill it off altogether?

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On Sep 5, 2015, at 9:11 AM, Ken Hohhof 
<af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

It's not like any radio manufacturers would require us to use Java for web GUI 
tools, right?

(says the person who just tried to use airView on an AF5X)


From: Mike Hammett<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2015 9:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Don't Update Chrome

The latest Chrome disables some SSL ciphers and NPAPI, which is required to use 
Java.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT eCommerce

[Tyler Treat]

I always had great luck with Matt Kahle.  But I was always the type who'd pick 
up the phone and call.

Hey Matt I need this
Ok, how bad?
Really bad,
Ok you'll have it tomorrow.

He actually met me in Bloomington one time after same day back to back 
lightning wiped out my backhaul stock.

Then again, it's important to ask if everything is in stock or where it's in 
stock.   Chicago was overnight UPS for us, so if something wasn't coming from 
there it was pretty obvious.

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On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dan Ortega at CTI was a badass.  I would send one email and everything I wanted 
would show up two days later.  I don't know how he managed it, but that guy got 
stuff done.  Our post Dan Ortega experiences were never as good.  The only 
thing as reliable as Dan Ortega is Amazon.  Maybe Dan Ortega was an android.

I'm fairly happy with CTI (our rep: James until last year I think, and now 
Jonte) for cases where high-touch is OK.
Ordering everything for a tower being built 3-4 months out with a licensed 
backhaul is a good example.
In those cases a few clarifying phone calls and a email thread isn't the end of 
the world. They're pretty good to us and I have reasons to want to send them 
business.
It's ordering the one-off/small project items that can be irritating.

My usual order cycle is: email what I want (include exact part numbers), get a 
quote back, make sure the price is sane and part number is correct (if it's 
even listed), then email back saying yes, and it hopefully(1) shows up next day.

1) That's the part where things break down. I'm never sure if they have stock, 
are sending from a 3rd party (maybe a warehouse further away, maybe stock 
levels aren't in sync). Cambium is never a problem. Ubiquiti is hit and miss, 
other things, vary wildly. The uncertainty is frustrating.
Although lately Jonte has gotten really good about letting me know when items 
have long lead times or are out of stock and finding alternate items. I do 
appreciate that.

Aside from stock uncertainties, it feels wasteful of my time and theirs to have 
to go through a "traditional" sales rep interaction cycle for 
small/uncomplicated orders.

At this point if we're replenishing stock by ordering a case of UBNT gear and 
we haven't run out yet, we'll order it from CTI.
If it's for a small project (e.g. AF5x link+spare or some UniFi APs) I'll order 
from Baltic because the stock levels on their website are accurate--if they 
show it in stock and I order before 3 PM I know that it will be in my office by 
noon the following day.

Inaccurate stock levels on Streakwave's web store have bitten me on nearly 
every order I've placed with them...

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Mike Hammett 
<<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
If it wasn't for Jeff Broadwick, i wouldn't do business with CTI...  too 
complicated.



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From: "Jon Auer" <j...@tapodi.net<mailto:j...@tapodi.net>>
To: "Animal Farm" <<mailto:af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2015 2:32:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT eCommerce


On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>>
 wrote:
Don't discount just adding your products to amazon and the like.

I love it when manufacturers do this (and use Amazon's warehouses). I've been 
seriously tempted to just do it with /someone's/ very awesome APC-compatible 
surge cards...

I was very happy when Telect was doing that with fuse panels and fiber trays. 
There's so much less cognitive load and time spent in going to Amazon, 
searching part number, and clicking buy now instead of emailing Power or 
CTI, getting a quote, approving the quote, placing the order, etc.

Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path

[Tyler Treat]

So somewhere along this timeframe, they stated some extra fact checking on the 
IP configuration side.  (I didn't program this radio originally) but after a 
while I realized the gateway was wrong - had to CLI the gateway and it started 
working fine.

So if you have a radio doing something stupid like this, check and make sure 
the gateway Ip is accurate.  This one was 1 digit off of what it should have 
been.  .8 vs .9!
Takes several hours of saying WTF to the radio on the other end of a Citrix 
session to arrive at that little gem.




On Aug 20, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Tyler Treat 
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote:

So it seems like between 2.3.4 and 2.4 this thing decides to stop allowing 
changes to be saved.  Any ideas?

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On Aug 19, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Tyler Treat 
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote:

S the AP side won't allow saving changes?
Any ideas?

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On Aug 19, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Tyler Treat 
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote:

Taking this a step further-
Eptp mode.  Any caveats to turning this on?

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On Aug 19, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Tyler Treat 
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote:


Thanks guys!

I'll try it tonight!



From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Josh 
Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path


All my new radios are 1.2.3.  I upgrade to 2.4.3 for the last couple weeks no 
problem.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 19, 2015 5:55 PM, Mathew Howard 
mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't seen any issues going from as far back as, I think, 1.2 on the bench 
directly to 2.4.3.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Joe Novak 
jno...@lrcomm.commailto:jno...@lrcomm.com wrote:
on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a 
black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David 
dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:
I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3


On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:


Hey folks -?

We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. ? Is 
there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3



Thanks

Tyler

Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path

[Tyler Treat]

So there were 2 different locations in the CLI for GW, but one in the gui.  
Only one of the ones in CLI was wrong.  Still not sure how it worked as long as 
it did, but I'm glad I found it before morning.


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On Aug 20, 2015, at 7:21 AM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


Uh how did it with with a wrong gateway before?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 20, 2015 8:19 AM, Tyler Treat 
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote:
So somewhere along this timeframe, they stated some extra fact checking on the 
IP configuration side.  (I didn't program this radio originally) but after a 
while I realized the gateway was wrong - had to CLI the gateway and it started 
working fine.

So if you have a radio doing something stupid like this, check and make sure 
the gateway Ip is accurate.  This one was 1 digit off of what it should have 
been.  .8 vs .9!
Takes several hours of saying WTF to the radio on the other end of a Citrix 
session to arrive at that little gem.




On Aug 20, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Tyler Treat 
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote:

So it seems like between 2.3.4 and 2.4 this thing decides to stop allowing 
changes to be saved.  Any ideas?

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com
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On Aug 19, 2015, at 11:11 PM, Tyler Treat 
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote:

S the AP side won't allow saving changes?
Any ideas?

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Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

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On Aug 19, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Tyler Treat 
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote:

Taking this a step further-
Eptp mode.  Any caveats to turning this on?

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Tyler Treat
Corn Belt Technologies, Inc.

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On Aug 19, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Tyler Treat 
tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com wrote:


Thanks guys!

I'll try it tonight!



From: Af af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Josh 
Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 5:02 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp update path


All my new radios are 1.2.3.  I upgrade to 2.4.3 for the last couple weeks no 
problem.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 19, 2015 5:55 PM, Mathew Howard 
mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote:
I haven't seen any issues going from as far back as, I think, 1.2 on the bench 
directly to 2.4.3.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Joe Novak 
jno...@lrcomm.commailto:jno...@lrcomm.com wrote:
on the bench I took and upgraded from whatever FW they came with (it had a 
black interface) to the newest no issue that I know of. YMMV as always

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 4:42 PM, David 
dmilho...@wletc.commailto:dmilho...@wletc.com wrote:
I think you will need to move to 2.4 before jumping to 2.4.3


On 08/19/2015 04:33 PM, Tyler Treat wrote:


Hey folks -?

We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware. ? Is 
there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3



Thanks

Tyler

[AFMUG] effective grounding of ePMP on tower 250' from house

[Tyler Treat]

Looking for a few cost effective options/ideas here...


My parents have an EPMP link from my favorite local WISP on a 40' Rohn25 around 
250' from their house.


Shielded cat5 direct buried between the house and tower.

Have grounded 600SS at tower and at House entrance, but I don't recall if it's 
bonded to electrical on the house side or not.


Operationally, it seems to work just fine, but it seems like the ethernet port 
gets blown up on their router every couple months, and it's starting to get 
pricey.

I'm assuming it's related to variance in ground between the house and tower, 
but i'm not sure of the best way to remedy, or whether it is appropriate/cost 
effective to bond the tower back to the house ground.


I thought about powering a second epmp off the other port on the other radio 
and relaying back to the house, but i have reservations about powering two 
radios off of one POE at that distance.


Then there's always solar+fiber i guess as a last resort, but that's a lot of 
work/expense for one radio.


Anyone have some suggestions?



Thanks

Tyler

[AFMUG] epmp update path

[Tyler Treat]

Hey folks -

We have a mix of ePMP radios that we want to get to current firmware.   Is 
there a specific upgrade path from 1.4.0 to current, or can i just move to 2.4.3



Thanks

Tyler