Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Mike Hammett]

True, but in most situations, more information allows for better control. You 
could use the table (combined with flows) to see that you have a problem with 
upstream A and carrier B. You could then use a BGP community to tell upstream A 
not to announce your routes to carrier B. You could then filter routes from 
carrier B via Upstream A. Upstream A may then send your traffic to carrier C or 
you may determine that a better path is via upstream D. Can't do that without 
full tables. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:49:09 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




If you just use the shortest AS path, not sure that is really taking control. 
I’m thinking of a scenario where you have one cheap upstream and one high 
quality upstream that monitors for interconnection problems like packet loss 
and latency and tweaks their routing table. I don’t think BGP will automate 
those decisions for you. But if the cheap upstream has direct peering or 
colocated servers from a bunch of CDNs, might as well send that outbound 
traffic to them. 





From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 5:34 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 



Would suggest full routes everytime if possible .. depends on how much control 
you want over your paths though .. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:24 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 

I’d just request local + customer routes + peer routes and a default from your 
upstreams. If it’s more than 3 AS hops away it’s probably a toss up which way 
is better to go out. 








On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 


I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ? 
Thanks a million 

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Mike Hammett]

Over the past 200+ years, much of my family has worked on a farm into their 
80s, passing sometime in their later 80s or 90s. I expect to be alive and able 
for another 50 - 60 years. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
To: "af" <af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 2:18:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 



At first I read that as "I don't think I will get to that age" :P 




On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I don't think I will at that age, Ken. Growing up on the farm (and I still live 
there), almost everything we did ourselves. Partly due to cost, partly to make 
sure it was done right, partly due to emergency nature, etc. It's just kinda 
part of me. 

Are there any other parts of the country represented as well on AFMUG as 
central\northern Illinois? It seems like half of the list is within a two hour 
drive of me. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:57:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




When Mike is my age, he’ll be content to call the guy, not be the guy. 
Especially at nap time. 

Not sure about Steve, after all, he is That One Guy, so who would he call? That 
Other Guy? 





From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:49 PM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns. AF is 
going to be so awesome net time around 


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright < ch...@velociter.net > wrote: 





That is THE question, and it really depends on how well your router can handle 
taking in the full routing table while routing customer traffic at the same 
time. Weaker Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the 1036 does 
alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing traffic in about a minute. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 
Velociter Wireless 
209-838-1221 x115 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a 
router reboot or loss of connectivity? So you start using the default route as 
soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing table fills? 
That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking like 15 minutes 
to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss of connectivity to 
the BGP peer. With a default route, I’m used to that being pretty much 
instantaneous. 








From: Dennis Burgess 

Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 



You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t need, 
then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change your 
filters. 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. 
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of TJ Trout 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 

I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ? 
Thanks a million 




-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Mathew Howard]

At first I read that as "I don't think I will get to that age" :P


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> I don't think I will at that age, Ken. Growing up on the farm (and I still
> live there), almost everything we did ourselves. Partly due to cost, partly
> to make sure it was done right, partly due to emergency nature, etc. It's
> just kinda part of me.
>
> Are there any other parts of the country represented as well on AFMUG as
> central\northern Illinois? It seems like half of the list is within a two
> hour drive of me.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> ------
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 12:57:26 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
> route ?
>
> When Mike is my age, he’ll be content to call the guy, not be the guy.
> Especially at nap time.
>
> Not sure about Steve, after all, he is That One Guy, so who would he
> call?  That Other Guy?
>
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 12:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
> route ?
>
> AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns.
> AF is going to be so awesome net time around
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net>
> wrote:
>
>> That is THE question, and it really depends on how well your router can
>> handle taking in the full routing table while routing customer traffic at
>> the same time. Weaker Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the
>> 1036 does alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing traffic in
>> about a minute.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>> Velociter Wireless
>>
>> 209-838-1221 x115 <209-838-1221%20x115>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
>> route ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a
>> router reboot or loss of connectivity?  So you start using the default
>> route as soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing
>> table fills?  That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking
>> like 15 minutes to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss
>> of connectivity to the BGP peer.  With a default route, I’m used to that
>> being pretty much instantaneous.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net>
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
>> route ?
>>
>>
>>
>> You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t
>> need, then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change
>> your filters.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 <314-735-0270%20x103> –
>> www.linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *TJ Trout
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will
>> be setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20
>> and larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and
>> the pros and cons of each ?
>>
>> Thanks a million
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Mathew Howard]

It does seem like half of the list is in northern/central Illinois...
actually, I fit into the category of being within a two hour drive of you
too. But... that doesn't seem like it was the case at all for actual Animal
Farm attendees... I can't remember running into any WISPs from Illinois
there, (I'm sure there were some, I obviously didn't talk to everyone
there).

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Over the past 200+ years, much of my family has worked on a farm into
> their 80s, passing sometime in their later 80s or  90s. I expect to be
> alive and able for another 50 - 60 years.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> --
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 2:18:43 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
> route ?
>
> At first I read that as "I don't think I will get to that age" :P
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> I don't think I will at that age, Ken. Growing up on the farm (and I
>> still live there), almost everything we did ourselves. Partly due to cost,
>> partly to make sure it was done right, partly due to emergency nature, etc.
>> It's just kinda part of me.
>>
>> Are there any other parts of the country represented as well on AFMUG as
>> central\northern Illinois? It seems like half of the list is within a two
>> hour drive of me.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> --
>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 12:57:26 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
>> route ?
>>
>> When Mike is my age, he’ll be content to call the guy, not be the guy.
>> Especially at nap time.
>>
>> Not sure about Steve, after all, he is That One Guy, so who would he
>> call?  That Other Guy?
>>
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 12:49 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
>> route ?
>>
>> AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns.
>> AF is going to be so awesome net time around
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That is THE question, and it really depends on how well your router can
>>> handle taking in the full routing table while routing customer traffic at
>>> the same time. Weaker Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the
>>> 1036 does alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing traffic in
>>> about a minute.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Wright
>>>
>>> Network Administrator
>>>
>>> Velociter Wireless
>>>
>>> 209-838-1221 x115 <209-838-1221%20x115>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
>>> route ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after
>>> a router reboot or loss of connectivity

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Chris Wright]

That is THE question, and it really depends on how well your router can handle 
taking in the full routing table while routing customer traffic at the same 
time. Weaker Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the 1036 does 
alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing traffic in about a minute.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a 
router reboot or loss of connectivity?  So you start using the default route as 
soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing table fills?  
That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking like 15 minutes 
to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss of connectivity to 
the BGP peer.  With a default route, I’m used to that being pretty much 
instantaneous.


From: Dennis Burgess<mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t need, 
then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change your 
filters.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net<mailto:den...@linktechs.net> – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?


I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ?

Thanks a million

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[chuck]

One of my unicorns is sick.  Hopefully we can find some more rainbow water to 
get her better. 

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns. AF is 
going to be so awesome net time around

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:

  That is THE question, and it really depends on how well your router can 
handle taking in the full routing table while routing customer traffic at the 
same time. Weaker Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the 1036 
does alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing traffic in about a 
minute.



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator

  Velociter Wireless

  209-838-1221 x115



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?



  Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a 
router reboot or loss of connectivity?  So you start using the default route as 
soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing table fills?  
That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking like 15 minutes 
to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss of connectivity to 
the BGP peer.  With a default route, I’m used to that being pretty much 
instantaneous.





  From: Dennis Burgess 

  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?



  You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t 
need, then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change your 
filters.  



  Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

  den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?



  I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ?

  Thanks a million





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Josh Reynolds]

Hahah :)

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:
> I know a guy in Flint…
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:09 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?
>
>
>
> One of my unicorns is sick.  Hopefully we can find some more rainbow water
> to get her better.
>
>
>
> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:49 AM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?
>
>
>
> AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns. AF
> is going to be so awesome net time around
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:
>
> That is THE question, and it really depends on how well your router can
> handle taking in the full routing table while routing customer traffic at
> the same time. Weaker Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the
> 1036 does alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing traffic in about
> a minute.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?
>
>
>
> Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a
> router reboot or loss of connectivity?  So you start using the default route
> as soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing table
> fills?  That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking like
> 15 minutes to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss of
> connectivity to the BGP peer.  With a default route, I’m used to that being
> pretty much instantaneous.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Dennis Burgess
>
> Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?
>
>
>
> You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t
> need, then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change
> your filters.
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>
> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?
>
>
>
> I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be
> setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and
> larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the
> pros and cons of each ?
>
> Thanks a million
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Mike Hammett]

I don't think I will at that age, Ken. Growing up on the farm (and I still live 
there), almost everything we did ourselves. Partly due to cost, partly to make 
sure it was done right, partly due to emergency nature, etc. It's just kinda 
part of me. 

Are there any other parts of the country represented as well on AFMUG as 
central\northern Illinois? It seems like half of the list is within a two hour 
drive of me. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:57:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




When Mike is my age, he’ll be content to call the guy, not be the guy. 
Especially at nap time. 

Not sure about Steve, after all, he is That One Guy, so who would he call? That 
Other Guy? 





From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:49 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 


AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns. AF is 
going to be so awesome net time around 


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright < ch...@velociter.net > wrote: 





That is THE question, and it really depends on how well your router can handle 
taking in the full routing table while routing customer traffic at the same 
time. Weaker Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the 1036 does 
alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing traffic in about a minute. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 
Velociter Wireless 
209-838-1221 x115 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a 
router reboot or loss of connectivity? So you start using the default route as 
soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing table fills? 
That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking like 15 minutes 
to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss of connectivity to 
the BGP peer. With a default route, I’m used to that being pretty much 
instantaneous. 








From: Dennis Burgess 

Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 



You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t need, 
then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change your 
filters. 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. 
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of TJ Trout 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 

I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ? 
Thanks a million 




-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Mike Hammett]

Well right. When it comes to the tech stuff, I'm an in-house kinda guy. My own 
server clusters, storage, VMs, DNS, etc. 

When you no longer solely use that managed upstream (does anyone other than 
InterNAP do that anymore?) , you'll have to do something. 


Yes, peering is a much better thing to do, but not everyone can make it work 
for them and it is a bit self-serving. :-) 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:34:48 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




Paying someone else to manage routes doesn’t necessarily mean you’re lazy. We 
can’t all afford a 24x7 NOC staffed with BGP savvy network engineers. The 
decision to do something in house or to outsource it always involves tradeoffs. 
Are you lazy because you outsource phone support? 

I actually expected you to say don’t use upstream providers at all, go to an 
exchange and direct peer with everyone, so you are really in control. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:43 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 


Agreed. If you're lazy about managing your network, you won't need those tools. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:34:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




If you do all that, cool. 

Otherwise, it could be like my college roommate who asked an athlete his 
secrets. The athlete told him to work out at the gym 4 hours a day, eat protein 
supplements, and drink grapefruit juice. The first two sounded like too much 
work, so my roommate drank grapefruit juice. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:13 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 


True, but in most situations, more information allows for better control. You 
could use the table (combined with flows) to see that you have a problem with 
upstream A and carrier B. You could then use a BGP community to tell upstream A 
not to announce your routes to carrier B. You could then filter routes from 
carrier B via Upstream A. Upstream A may then send your traffic to carrier C or 
you may determine that a better path is via upstream D. Can't do that without 
full tables. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:49:09 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




If you just use the shortest AS path, not sure that is really taking control. 
I’m thinking of a scenario where you have one cheap upstream and one high 
quality upstream that monitors for interconnection problems like packet loss 
and latency and tweaks their routing table. I don’t think BGP will automate 
those decisions for you. But if the cheap upstream has direct peering or 
colocated servers from a bunch of CDNs, might as well send that outbound 
traffic to them. 





From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 5:34 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 



Would suggest full routes everytime if possible .. depends on how much control 
you want over your paths though .. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:24 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 

I’d just request local + customer routes + peer routes and a default from your 
upstreams. If it’s more than 3 AS hops away it’s probably a toss up which way 
is better to go out. 








On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 


I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ? 
Thanks a million 

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Chris Wright]

I know a guy in Flint…

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

One of my unicorns is sick.  Hopefully we can find some more rainbow water to 
get her better.

From: That One Guy /sarcasm<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns. AF is 
going to be so awesome net time around

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright 
<ch...@velociter.net<mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:
That is THE question, and it really depends on how well your router can handle 
taking in the full routing table while routing customer traffic at the same 
time. Weaker Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the 1036 does 
alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing traffic in about a minute.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115<tel:209-838-1221%20x115>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a 
router reboot or loss of connectivity?  So you start using the default route as 
soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing table fills?  
That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking like 15 minutes 
to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss of connectivity to 
the BGP peer.  With a default route, I’m used to that being pretty much 
instantaneous.


From: Dennis Burgess<mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net>
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t need, 
then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change your 
filters.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net<mailto:den...@linktechs.net> – 314-735-0270 
x103<tel:314-735-0270%20x103> – www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?


I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ?

Thanks a million



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns. AF
is going to be so awesome net time around

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:

> That is THE question, and it really depends on how well your router can
> handle taking in the full routing table while routing customer traffic at
> the same time. Weaker Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the
> 1036 does alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing traffic in
> about a minute.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
> route ?
>
>
>
> Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a
> router reboot or loss of connectivity?  So you start using the default
> route as soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing
> table fills?  That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking
> like 15 minutes to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss
> of connectivity to the BGP peer.  With a default route, I’m used to that
> being pretty much instantaneous.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
> route ?
>
>
>
> You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t
> need, then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change
> your filters.
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>
> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?
>
>
>
> I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be
> setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and
> larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the
> pros and cons of each ?
>
> Thanks a million
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Ken Hohhof]

When Mike is my age, he’ll be content to call the guy, not be the guy.  
Especially at nap time.

Not sure about Steve, after all, he is That One Guy, so who would he call?  
That Other Guy?


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns. AF is 
going to be so awesome net time around

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:

  That is THE question, and it really depends on how well your router can 
handle taking in the full routing table while routing customer traffic at the 
same time. Weaker Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the 1036 
does alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing traffic in about a 
minute.



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator

  Velociter Wireless

  209-838-1221 x115



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?



  Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a 
router reboot or loss of connectivity?  So you start using the default route as 
soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing table fills?  
That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking like 15 minutes 
to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss of connectivity to 
the BGP peer.  With a default route, I’m used to that being pretty much 
instantaneous.





  From: Dennis Burgess 

  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?



  You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t 
need, then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change your 
filters.  



  Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

  den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?



  I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ?

  Thanks a million





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Ken Hohhof]

“Against The Wind”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiviKbxP9xM


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 1:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

I don't think I will at that age, Ken. Growing up on the farm (and I still live 
there), almost everything we did ourselves. Partly due to cost, partly to make 
sure it was done right, partly due to emergency nature, etc. It's just kinda 
part of me.

Are there any other parts of the country represented as well on AFMUG as 
central\northern Illinois? It seems like half of the list is within a two hour 
drive of me.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:57:26 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?


When Mike is my age, he’ll be content to call the guy, not be the guy.  
Especially at nap time.

Not sure about Steve, after all, he is That One Guy, so who would he call?  
That Other Guy?


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns. AF is 
going to be so awesome net time around

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:

  That is THE question, and it really depends on how well your router can 
handle taking in the full routing table while routing customer traffic at the 
same time. Weaker Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the 1036 
does alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing traffic in about a 
minute.



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator

  Velociter Wireless

  209-838-1221 x115



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?



  Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a 
router reboot or loss of connectivity?  So you start using the default route as 
soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing table fills?  
That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking like 15 minutes 
to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss of connectivity to 
the BGP peer.  With a default route, I’m used to that being pretty much 
instantaneous.





  From: Dennis Burgess 

  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?



  You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t 
need, then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change your 
filters.  



  Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

  den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?



  I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ?

  Thanks a million





-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Ken Hohhof]

I thought maybe the attendee list for past events had been published, but when 
I tried to Google for it, I got lists that started “Napoleon, Snowball, ...”


From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 3:57 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

It does seem like half of the list is in northern/central Illinois... actually, 
I fit into the category of being within a two hour drive of you too. But... 
that doesn't seem like it was the case at all for actual Animal Farm 
attendees... I can't remember running into any WISPs from Illinois there, (I'm 
sure there were some, I obviously didn't talk to everyone there). 


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  Over the past 200+ years, much of my family has worked on a farm into their 
80s, passing sometime in their later 80s or  90s. I expect to be alive and able 
for another 50 - 60 years.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
  http://www.ics-il.com



  Midwest Internet Exchange
  http://www.midwest-ix.com




--

  From: "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
  To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 2:18:43 PM 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?


  At first I read that as "I don't think I will get to that age" :P



  On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

I don't think I will at that age, Ken. Growing up on the farm (and I still 
live there), almost everything we did ourselves. Partly due to cost, partly to 
make sure it was done right, partly due to emergency nature, etc. It's just 
kinda part of me.

Are there any other parts of the country represented as well on AFMUG as 
central\northern Illinois? It seems like half of the list is within a two hour 
drive of me.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
    Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:57:26 PM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?


When Mike is my age, he’ll be content to call the guy, not be the guy.  
Especially at nap time.

Not sure about Steve, after all, he is That One Guy, so who would he call?  
That Other Guy?


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns. AF 
is going to be so awesome net time around

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:

  That is THE question, and it really depends on how well your router can 
handle taking in the full routing table while routing customer traffic at the 
same time. Weaker Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the 1036 
does alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing traffic in about a 
minute.



  Chris Wright

  Network Administrator

  Velociter Wireless

  209-838-1221 x115



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route 
?



  Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a 
router reboot or loss of connectivity?  So you start using the default route as 
soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing table fills?  
That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking like 15 minutes 
to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss of connectivity to 
the BGP peer.  With a default route, I’m used to that being pretty much 
instantaneous.





  From: Dennis Burgess 

  Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM

      To: af@afmug.com 

      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route 
?



  You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t 
need, then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change your 
filters.  



  Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

  den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
  Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?



  I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will 
be setting up the bgp, he said I can take full r

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Paul Stewart]

Would suggest full routes everytime if possible .. depends on how much control 
you want over your paths though .. 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

 

I’d just request local + customer routes + peer routes and a default from your 
upstreams. If it’s more than 3 AS hops away it’s probably a toss up which way 
is better to go out.

 

 

On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com <mailto:t...@voltbb.com> 
> wrote:

 

I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ?

Thanks a million

 

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Mike Hammett]

I'm sure both Cambium and UBNT would say it sounds like my second home. :-) 

I forget which episode it was, but Tom Smyth went on about the Mikrotik 
wireless UI for quite some time in one of our podcasts. MT wasn't exactly 
pleased by that. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:05:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 

I think I went in 2012, 2013 and 2014. 

The last time, I remember someone motherf***ing Cambium during Q Probably on 
the 450/FSK combo thing. And then I think someone told UBNT to get their heads 
out of their asses. 

So I think a WISPA event is generally more friendly to the vendors. And perhaps 
slightly hostile at such a technical event like AF. 


On 1/22/2016 3:57 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: 



It does seem like half of the list is in northern/central Illinois... actually, 
I fit into the category of being within a two hour drive of you too. But... 
that doesn't seem like it was the case at all for actual Animal Farm 
attendees... I can't remember running into any WISPs from Illinois there, (I'm 
sure there were some, I obviously didn't talk to everyone there). 



On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Over the past 200+ years, much of my family has worked on a farm into their 
80s, passing sometime in their later 80s or 90s. I expect to be alive and able 
for another 50 - 60 years. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "Mathew Howard" < mhoward...@gmail.com > 
To: "af" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 2:18:43 PM 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 



At first I read that as "I don't think I will get to that age" :P 




On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




I don't think I will at that age, Ken. Growing up on the farm (and I still live 
there), almost everything we did ourselves. Partly due to cost, partly to make 
sure it was done right, partly due to emergency nature, etc. It's just kinda 
part of me. 

Are there any other parts of the country represented as well on AFMUG as 
central\northern Illinois? It seems like half of the list is within a two hour 
drive of me. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "Ken Hohhof" < af...@kwisp.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:57:26 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




When Mike is my age, he’ll be content to call the guy, not be the guy. 
Especially at nap time. 

Not sure about Steve, after all, he is That One Guy, so who would he call? That 
Other Guy? 





From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 12:49 PM 


To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns. AF is 
going to be so awesome net time around 


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright < ch...@velociter.net > wrote: 





That is THE question, and it really depends on how well your router can handle 
taking in the full routing table while routing customer traffic at the same 
time. Weaker Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the 1036 does 
alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing traffic in about a minute. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 
Velociter Wireless 
209-838-1221 x115 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:13 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a 
router reboot or loss of connectivity? So you start using the default route as 
soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing table fills? 
That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking like 15 minutes 
to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss of connectivity to 
the BGP peer. With a default route, I’m used to that being pretty much 
instantaneous. 








From: Dennis Burgess 

Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM 

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 



You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t need, 
then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change your 
filters. 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologie

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Christopher Tyler]

You could always start with partial routes and then later get full if you need 
them or vice versa. It's not a decision that cannot be changed at a later date.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:34:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

If you do all that, cool.

Otherwise, it could be like my college roommate who asked an athlete his 
secrets.  The athlete told him to work out at the gym 4 hours a day, eat 
protein supplements, and drink grapefruit juice.  The first two sounded like 
too much work, so my roommate drank grapefruit juice.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

True, but in most situations, more information allows for better control. You 
could use the table (combined with flows) to see that you have a problem with 
upstream A and carrier B. You could then use a BGP community to tell upstream A 
not to announce your routes to carrier B. You could then filter routes from 
carrier B via Upstream A. Upstream A may then send your traffic to carrier C or 
you may determine that a better path is via upstream D. Can't do that without 
full tables.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:49:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?


If you just use the shortest AS path, not sure that is really taking control.  
I’m thinking of a scenario where you have one cheap upstream and one high 
quality upstream that monitors for interconnection problems like packet loss 
and latency and tweaks their routing table.  I don’t think BGP will automate 
those decisions for you.  But if the cheap upstream has direct peering or 
colocated servers from a bunch of CDNs, might as well send that outbound 
traffic to them.


From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 5:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

Would suggest full routes everytime if possible .. depends on how much control 
you want over your paths though .. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?



I’d just request local + customer routes + peer routes and a default from your 
upstreams. If it’s more than 3 AS hops away it’s probably a toss up which way 
is better to go out.





  On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:



  I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ?

  Thanks a million

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Dennis Burgess]

You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t need, 
then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change your 
filters.

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
den...@linktechs.net<mailto:den...@linktechs.net> – 314-735-0270 x103 – 
www.linktechs.net<http://www.linktechs.net/>

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?


I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ?

Thanks a million

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Ken Hohhof]

Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a 
router reboot or loss of connectivity?  So you start using the default route as 
soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing table fills?  
That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking like 15 minutes 
to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss of connectivity to 
the BGP peer.  With a default route, I’m used to that being pretty much 
instantaneous.


From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t need, 
then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change your 
filters.  

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

 

I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ?

Thanks a million

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Mike Hammett]

Agreed. If you're lazy about managing your network, you won't need those tools. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:34:50 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




If you do all that, cool. 

Otherwise, it could be like my college roommate who asked an athlete his 
secrets. The athlete told him to work out at the gym 4 hours a day, eat protein 
supplements, and drink grapefruit juice. The first two sounded like too much 
work, so my roommate drank grapefruit juice. 





From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:13 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 


True, but in most situations, more information allows for better control. You 
could use the table (combined with flows) to see that you have a problem with 
upstream A and carrier B. You could then use a BGP community to tell upstream A 
not to announce your routes to carrier B. You could then filter routes from 
carrier B via Upstream A. Upstream A may then send your traffic to carrier C or 
you may determine that a better path is via upstream D. Can't do that without 
full tables. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:49:09 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 




If you just use the shortest AS path, not sure that is really taking control. 
I’m thinking of a scenario where you have one cheap upstream and one high 
quality upstream that monitors for interconnection problems like packet loss 
and latency and tweaks their routing table. I don’t think BGP will automate 
those decisions for you. But if the cheap upstream has direct peering or 
colocated servers from a bunch of CDNs, might as well send that outbound 
traffic to them. 





From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 5:34 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 



Would suggest full routes everytime if possible .. depends on how much control 
you want over your paths though .. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:24 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 

I’d just request local + customer routes + peer routes and a default from your 
upstreams. If it’s more than 3 AS hops away it’s probably a toss up which way 
is better to go out. 








On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout < t...@voltbb.com > wrote: 


I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ? 
Thanks a million 

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Mike Hammett]

*nods* My Chicago routers process feeds in about 30 seconds. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 10:20:12 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 


I have a 732 doing BGP. It gets both peers (full routes) done in like 2 
minutes. Newer routers, I expect, are faster. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Ken Hohhof < af...@kwisp.com > wrote: 






Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a 
router reboot or loss of connectivity? So you start using the default route as 
soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing table fills? 
That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking like 15 minutes 
to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss of connectivity to 
the BGP peer. With a default route, I’m used to that being pretty much 
instantaneous. 





From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 





You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t need, 
then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change your 
filters. 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. 
den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of TJ Trout 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 

I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ? 
Thanks a million 

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Ken Hohhof]

If you just use the shortest AS path, not sure that is really taking control.  
I’m thinking of a scenario where you have one cheap upstream and one high 
quality upstream that monitors for interconnection problems like packet loss 
and latency and tweaks their routing table.  I don’t think BGP will automate 
those decisions for you.  But if the cheap upstream has direct peering or 
colocated servers from a bunch of CDNs, might as well send that outbound 
traffic to them.


From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 5:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

Would suggest full routes everytime if possible .. depends on how much control 
you want over your paths though .. 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

 

I’d just request local + customer routes + peer routes and a default from your 
upstreams. If it’s more than 3 AS hops away it’s probably a toss up which way 
is better to go out.

 

 

  On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

   

  I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ?

  Thanks a million

 

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Ken Hohhof]

If you do all that, cool.

Otherwise, it could be like my college roommate who asked an athlete his 
secrets.  The athlete told him to work out at the gym 4 hours a day, eat 
protein supplements, and drink grapefruit juice.  The first two sounded like 
too much work, so my roommate drank grapefruit juice.


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 9:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

True, but in most situations, more information allows for better control. You 
could use the table (combined with flows) to see that you have a problem with 
upstream A and carrier B. You could then use a BGP community to tell upstream A 
not to announce your routes to carrier B. You could then filter routes from 
carrier B via Upstream A. Upstream A may then send your traffic to carrier C or 
you may determine that a better path is via upstream D. Can't do that without 
full tables.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com






From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 8:49:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?


If you just use the shortest AS path, not sure that is really taking control.  
I’m thinking of a scenario where you have one cheap upstream and one high 
quality upstream that monitors for interconnection problems like packet loss 
and latency and tweaks their routing table.  I don’t think BGP will automate 
those decisions for you.  But if the cheap upstream has direct peering or 
colocated servers from a bunch of CDNs, might as well send that outbound 
traffic to them.


From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 5:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

Would suggest full routes everytime if possible .. depends on how much control 
you want over your paths though .. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?



I’d just request local + customer routes + peer routes and a default from your 
upstreams. If it’s more than 3 AS hops away it’s probably a toss up which way 
is better to go out.





  On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:



  I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ?

  Thanks a million

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Josh Luthman]

I have a 732 doing BGP.  It gets both peers (full routes) done in like 2
minutes.  Newer routers, I expect, are faster.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Dennis, does that help the time to be back up and routing traffic after a
> router reboot or loss of connectivity?  So you start using the default
> route as soon as you get it, and then get more specific as the routing
> table fills?  That’s something that I’ve heard horror stories about, taking
> like 15 minutes to be back up and running after a router reboot or a loss
> of connectivity to the BGP peer.  With a default route, I’m used to that
> being pretty much instantaneous.
>
>
> *From:* Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
> route ?
>
>
> You have your upstream send default+full, you can discard what you don’t
> need, then if you need something, you don’t have to call them, just change
> your filters.
>
>
>
> Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.
>
> den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – www.linktechs.net
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:15 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?
>
>
>
> I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be
> setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and
> larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the
> pros and cons of each ?
>
> Thanks a million
>

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Josh Reynolds]

Don’t use upstream providers at all, go to an exchange and direct peer with
everyone, so you are really in control.







... better? :P

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Paying someone else to manage routes doesn’t necessarily mean you’re
> lazy.  We can’t all afford a 24x7 NOC staffed with BGP savvy network
> engineers.  The decision to do something in house or to outsource it always
> involves tradeoffs.  Are you lazy because you outsource phone support?
>
> I actually expected you to say don’t use upstream providers at all, go to
> an exchange and direct peer with everyone, so you are really in control.
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 10:43 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
> route ?
>
> Agreed. If you're lazy about managing your network, you won't need those
> tools.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> ----------
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 9:34:50 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
> route ?
>
> If you do all that, cool.
>
> Otherwise, it could be like my college roommate who asked an athlete his
> secrets.  The athlete told him to work out at the gym 4 hours a day, eat
> protein supplements, and drink grapefruit juice.  The first two sounded
> like too much work, so my roommate drank grapefruit juice.
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 9:13 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
> route ?
>
> True, but in most situations, more information allows for better control.
> You could use the table (combined with flows) to see that you have a
> problem with upstream A and carrier B. You could then use a BGP community
> to tell upstream A not to announce your routes to carrier B. You could then
> filter routes from carrier B via Upstream A. Upstream A may then send your
> traffic to carrier C or you may determine that a better path is via
> upstream D. Can't do that without full tables.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 8:49:09 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
> route ?
>
> If you just use the shortest AS path, not sure that is really taking
> control.  I’m thinking of a scenario where you have one cheap upstream and
> one high quality upstream that monitors for interconnection problems like
> packet loss and latency and tweaks their routing table.  I don’t think BGP
> will automate those decisions for you.  But if the cheap upstream has
> direct peering or colocated servers from a bunch of CDNs, might as well
> send that outbound traffic to them.
>
>
> *From:* Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 5:34 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
> route ?
>
>
> Would suggest full routes everytime if possible .. depends on how much
> control you want over your paths though ..
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cassidy B. Larson
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2016 9:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
> route ?
>
>
>
> I’d just request local + customer routes + peer routes and a default from
> your upstreams. If it’s more than 3 AS hops away it’s probably a toss up
> which way is better to go out.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be
> setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and
> larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the
> pros and cons of each ?
>
> Thanks a million
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[George Skorup]

I think I went in 2012, 2013 and 2014.

The last time, I remember someone motherf***ing Cambium during Q 
Probably on the 450/FSK combo thing. And then I think someone told UBNT 
to get their heads out of their asses.


So I think a WISPA event is generally more friendly to the vendors. And 
perhaps slightly hostile at such a technical event like AF.


On 1/22/2016 3:57 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
It does seem like half of the list is in northern/central Illinois... 
actually, I fit into the category of being within a two hour drive of 
you too. But... that doesn't seem like it was the case at all for 
actual Animal Farm attendees... I can't remember running into any 
WISPs from Illinois there, (I'm sure there were some, I obviously 
didn't talk to everyone there).


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net 
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


Over the past 200+ years, much of my family has worked on a farm
into their 80s, passing sometime in their later 80s or  90s. I
expect to be alive and able for another 50 - 60 years.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


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*From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
*To: *"af" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
    *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 2:18:43 PM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or
default route ?

At first I read that as "I don't think I will get to that age" :P


On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

I don't think I will at that age, Ken. Growing up on the farm
(and I still live there), almost everything we did ourselves.
Partly due to cost, partly to make sure it was done right,
partly due to emergency nature, etc. It's just kinda part of me.

Are there any other parts of the country represented as well
on AFMUG as central\northern Illinois? It seems like half of
the list is within a two hour drive of me.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


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*From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>>
    *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 12:57:26 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or
default route ?

When Mike is my age, he’ll be content to call the guy, not be
the guy.  Especially at nap time.
Not sure about Steve, after all, he is That One Guy, so who
would he call?  That Other Guy?
**
    *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 12:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or
default route ?
AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding
unicorns. AF is going to be so awesome net time around
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Chris Wright
<ch...@velociter.net <mailto:ch...@velociter.net>> wrote:

That is THE question, and it really depends on how well
your router can handle taking in the full routing table
while routing customer traffic at the same time. Weaker
Mikrotik CCR’s like the 1009 seem sluggish, while the 1036
does alright. It’ll pull 500,000+ routes while passing
traffic in about a minute.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115 <tel:209-838-1221%20x115>

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
    <mailto:af

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[TJ Trout]

is a ccr1009 fast enough for full routes with 2 upsteams?

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:05 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> I think I went in 2012, 2013 and 2014.
>
> The last time, I remember someone motherf***ing Cambium during Q
> Probably on the 450/FSK combo thing. And then I think someone told UBNT to
> get their heads out of their asses.
>
> So I think a WISPA event is generally more friendly to the vendors. And
> perhaps slightly hostile at such a technical event like AF.
>
>
> On 1/22/2016 3:57 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> It does seem like half of the list is in northern/central Illinois...
> actually, I fit into the category of being within a two hour drive of you
> too. But... that doesn't seem like it was the case at all for actual Animal
> Farm attendees... I can't remember running into any WISPs from Illinois
> there, (I'm sure there were some, I obviously didn't talk to everyone
> there).
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Over the past 200+ years, much of my family has worked on a farm into
>> their 80s, passing sometime in their later 80s or  90s. I expect to be
>> alive and able for another 50 - 60 years.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> <http://www.ics-il.com>http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> <http://www.midwest-ix.com>http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> --
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 2:18:43 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
>> route ?
>>
>> At first I read that as "I don't think I will get to that age" :P
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Mike Hammett < <af...@ics-il.net>
>> af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think I will at that age, Ken. Growing up on the farm (and I
>>> still live there), almost everything we did ourselves. Partly due to cost,
>>> partly to make sure it was done right, partly due to emergency nature, etc.
>>> It's just kinda part of me.
>>>
>>> Are there any other parts of the country represented as well on AFMUG as
>>> central\northern Illinois? It seems like half of the list is within a two
>>> hour drive of me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> <http://www.ics-il.com>http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> <http://www.midwest-ix.com>http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> ------
>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" < <af...@kwisp.com>af...@kwisp.com>
>>> *To: * <af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 12:57:26 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
>>> route ?
>>>
>>> When Mike is my age, he’ll be content to call the guy, not be the guy.
>>> Especially at nap time.
>>>
>>> Not sure about Steve, after all, he is That One Guy, so who would he
>>> call?  That Other Guy?
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, January 22, 2016 12:49 PM
>>> *To:* <af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
>>> route ?
>>>
>>> AF, Mike VS Ken, grudge match jousting competition, riding unicorns.....
>>> AF is going to be so awesome net time around
>>>
>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

We get to cuss out cambium and ubnt? Hell yes
On Jan 22, 2016 8:12 PM, "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> is a ccr1009 fast enough for full routes with 2 upsteams?
>
> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 6:05 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
>> I think I went in 2012, 2013 and 2014.
>>
>> The last time, I remember someone motherf***ing Cambium during Q
>> Probably on the 450/FSK combo thing. And then I think someone told UBNT to
>> get their heads out of their asses.
>>
>> So I think a WISPA event is generally more friendly to the vendors. And
>> perhaps slightly hostile at such a technical event like AF.
>>
>>
>> On 1/22/2016 3:57 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> It does seem like half of the list is in northern/central Illinois...
>> actually, I fit into the category of being within a two hour drive of you
>> too. But... that doesn't seem like it was the case at all for actual Animal
>> Farm attendees... I can't remember running into any WISPs from Illinois
>> there, (I'm sure there were some, I obviously didn't talk to everyone
>> there).
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 2:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Over the past 200+ years, much of my family has worked on a farm into
>>> their 80s, passing sometime in their later 80s or  90s. I expect to be
>>> alive and able for another 50 - 60 years.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> <http://www.ics-il.com>http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> <http://www.midwest-ix.com>http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
>>> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 2:18:43 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
>>> route ?
>>>
>>> At first I read that as "I don't think I will get to that age" :P
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Mike Hammett < <af...@ics-il.net>
>>> af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't think I will at that age, Ken. Growing up on the farm (and I
>>>> still live there), almost everything we did ourselves. Partly due to cost,
>>>> partly to make sure it was done right, partly due to emergency nature, etc.
>>>> It's just kinda part of me.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any other parts of the country represented as well on AFMUG
>>>> as central\northern Illinois? It seems like half of the list is within a
>>>> two hour drive of me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> <http://www.ics-il.com>http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>> <http://www.midwest-ix.com>http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" < <af...@kwisp.com>af...@kwisp.com>
>>>> *To: * <af@afmug.com>af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Friday, January 22, 2016 12:57:26 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default
>>>> route ?
>>>>
>>>> When Mike is my age, he’ll be content to call the guy, not be the guy.
>>>> Especially at nap time.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure about Steve, after all, he is That One Guy, so who would he
&g

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Josh Luthman]

In Mikrotik you use something like 512mb for your first provider and then
768mb for your second provider.  A gig should be good, but two is better.
I'm talking full routes.

What router do you have, TJ?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:01 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Full routes means that you see all routes your providers pass on.  It can
> be a large list but it does give you the best view outbound.   As long as
> you have the memory and CPU to handle it there isn’t really any reason not
> to take it.  Even with ‘full routes’ you usually don’t want to take
> anything more specific than a /24
>
> Partial routes limits the prefix length you see to cut down on the amount
> of memory and routes you see.   You won’t see the optimal route (not that
> BGP path is truly optimal anyway) but you should still be able to reach the
> vast majority of destinations even without a default route since there is
> normally a less specific ‘covering’ prefix.  A /22 filter with a default
> route cuts down on the number of routes significantly.  A /20 further
> reduces the routes.
>
> Default route is just that - a place to send traffic when you don’t have a
> route in the routing table.  Perhaps because you filtered it out.  It sends
> the traffic to your upstreams router for them to deal with.  If they don’t
> have a route then it gets dumped.  The default route really just changes
> where the traffic dies - before or after it leaves your network.
>
> ‘best’ is probably full routes, if you have hardware that can handle it.
> If not then filter prefixes to match what the hardware can do.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2016, at 9:14 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be
> setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and
> larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the
> pros and cons of each ?
>
> Thanks a million
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Cassidy B. Larson]

I’d just request local + customer routes + peer routes and a default from your 
upstreams. If it’s more than 3 AS hops away it’s probably a toss up which way 
is better to go out.


> On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:14 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
> setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
> larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
> and cons of each ?
> 
> Thanks a million
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

does the rb1100ahx2 suck for that?

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Full routes always.
>
> You can't do uRPF without it.
> Your data won't take the shortest (likely better) path to the destination
> if they don't know where it goes.
> You can't route around issues upstream without it (your providers can, but
> you could be one hop down the wrong path at that point).
> You can't perform flow analysis without it (regarding what networks your
> data is going to).
>
>
> Con? You have to buy a router that doesn't suck.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> ----------
> *From: *"TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:14:40 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?
>
> I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be
> setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and
> larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the
> pros and cons of each ?
>
> Thanks a million
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Mark Radabaugh]

Full routes means that you see all routes your providers pass on.  It can be a 
large list but it does give you the best view outbound.   As long as you have 
the memory and CPU to handle it there isn’t really any reason not to take it.  
Even with ‘full routes’ you usually don’t want to take anything more specific 
than a /24

Partial routes limits the prefix length you see to cut down on the amount of 
memory and routes you see.   You won’t see the optimal route (not that BGP path 
is truly optimal anyway) but you should still be able to reach the vast 
majority of destinations even without a default route since there is normally a 
less specific ‘covering’ prefix.  A /22 filter with a default route cuts down 
on the number of routes significantly.  A /20 further reduces the routes.

Default route is just that - a place to send traffic when you don’t have a 
route in the routing table.  Perhaps because you filtered it out.  It sends the 
traffic to your upstreams router for them to deal with.  If they don’t have a 
route then it gets dumped.  The default route really just changes where the 
traffic dies - before or after it leaves your network.

‘best’ is probably full routes, if you have hardware that can handle it.  If 
not then filter prefixes to match what the hardware can do.  

Mark


> On Jan 21, 2016, at 9:14 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> 
> I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
> setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
> larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
> and cons of each ?
> 
> Thanks a million
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Mike Hammett]

It has enough RAM. I don't know if it has enough CPU. I've never tried doing 
that. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:23:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 


does the rb1100ahx2 suck for that? 


On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 8:21 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Full routes always. 

You can't do uRPF without it. 
Your data won't take the shortest (likely better) path to the destination if 
they don't know where it goes. 
You can't route around issues upstream without it (your providers can, but you 
could be one hop down the wrong path at that point). 
You can't perform flow analysis without it (regarding what networks your data 
is going to). 


Con? You have to buy a router that doesn't suck. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 




From: "TJ Trout" < t...@voltbb.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:14:40 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 


I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ? 
Thanks a million 






-- 




If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. 

[AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[TJ Trout]

I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the
pros and cons of each ?

Thanks a million

Re: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ?

[Mike Hammett]

Full routes always. 

You can't do uRPF without it. 
Your data won't take the shortest (likely better) path to the destination if 
they don't know where it goes. 
You can't route around issues upstream without it (your providers can, but you 
could be one hop down the wrong path at that point). 
You can't perform flow analysis without it (regarding what networks your data 
is going to). 


Con? You have to buy a router that doesn't suck. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 8:14:40 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Single homed to multi, full partial or default route ? 


I'm a complete idiot and I just turned up 2 upstreams, butch Evans will be 
setting up the bgp, he said I can take full routes, partial router /20 and 
larger or default routes, anyone able to tell me the best choice and the pros 
and cons of each ? 
Thanks a million